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So my name is Carl O'Donnell and I

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pastor the Pembroke Baptist Church, which is just

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across the St. John River from Woodstock, New

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Brunswick.

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And even though we're a small number here

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today, here at Lincoln, apparently there's folks that

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are watching online and so on, not just

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today live, but in the future we'll be

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watching this.

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I do want to say before I forget,

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my email address is Black Salmon Lad.

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I'm from the Miramichi.

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There's a lady here from over in Sunny

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Corner and I used to fish a lot

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of black salmon on the Miramichi and everybody's

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a lad on the Miramichi.

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So that's my email address, BlackSalmonLad at gmail

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.com and I'd love to hear from you.

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So I'll get that out of the way.

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There's people praying for me today and I

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really appreciate it.

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There really are people praying for me.

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They've been texting me all day and yesterday

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saying they're praying for me, people from the

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church that I pastor, family and friends, and

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I'm just so grateful to be here.

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And they're all saying the same thing to

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me, just be yourself, just be yourself.

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That's what I'm gonna try to do, be

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myself.

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My wife said I'm proud of you and

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get a haircut.

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So I got a haircut and I'm glad

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she's proud of me.

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I know this is a revival conference and

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we've had all kinds of wonderful speakers on

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revival but they don't have the information that

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I have because I found the recipe for

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revival.

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I brought it with me, it's only a

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page and a half and here it is.

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I'm going to read it to you.

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This is the recipe for revival.

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Up in the hills of old Kentucky, the

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meanest place that ever was struck, there lived

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a man named Jacob Job, the meanest man

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on this old globe.

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He feared not God nor cared for man

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except his wild and wicked clan.

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He had six boys, both big and bad,

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who followed right behind their dad.

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They drank that wildcat whiskey down and painted

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red the country town.

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He had six gals, big husky gals, who

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pranced and frolicked with their pals.

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They danced and capered on the hills and

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sometimes tippled at the stills.

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One day an awful rattlesnake bit that oldest

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boy, big wicked Jake, and through his veins

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the virus flew.

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He's bound to die, what will we do?

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In haste they sent a runner down to

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fetch a parson from the town, a Dutchman

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of John Wesley's band, as good as any

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in the land.

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He prayed a wondrous, curious prayer in words

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of faith both rich and rare, and if

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to heaven it reached or not, on earth

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it surely hit the spot.

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Oh God, he prayed, we thank thee for

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this snake that thou hast sent to bite

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old Jake, to fetch him down from his

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high hoss and lead him to the Savior's

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cross.

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And now, oh God, the great I am,

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please send another to bite old Sam.

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And Jack and John, the worst of rakes,

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oh God, we need more rattlesnakes.

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Send chicken snakes to bite the gals and

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all their dancing wicked pals.

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Even Mama Jobe, she needs one too, perhaps

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a copperhead will do.

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And now, oh God, before it's too late,

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please hurry up these gospel snakes, and save

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this old Kentucky state.

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I ask it all for Jesus' sake, amen.

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The theme of my talk today is, you

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see it behind you on the screen there,

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stop trying harder, start making better choices.

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Sometimes that only happens when we're on the

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flat of our back, that we, God has

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our attention.

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Sometimes revival only happens when we're about at

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our wits end, and we feel like we're

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so far away from revival, we feel like

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we're just drained, but we don't realize we're

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just a whisker away from revival when we're

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at our lowest.

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It was advertised as a church planters assessment

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for couples many years ago, and it was

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taking place at Kingswood University in Sussex.

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And it was for couples that were interested

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in going for one week, you stayed on

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campus, there was 12 or 14 professional people

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there to see what made you tick.

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There was a Christian psychologist, there were denominational

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leaders, all kinds of really caring, loving staff

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there to analyze as many as 10 couples

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that could go for the week to go

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to this spiritual boot camp.

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The cost was $1,000, and I said

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to my wife, if I'm going to shell

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out a thousand bucks, I want somebody when

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it's all over to really tell me how

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I did.

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Don't just pass me, tell me how I

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really made out, don't give everybody a gold

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star.

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So we signed up, and the meals were

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excellent, the accommodations were excellent, and you had

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eight hours to sleep, but other than that,

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you were being analyzed and scrutinized and put

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through your paces.

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They put you on purpose with other couples

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that they thought maybe you didn't quite think

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the same way.

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They put you in situations that were stressful

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and under a deadline, and to see how

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you would do.

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You'd be eating your toast in the morning

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and look up and somebody would be looking

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at you with a pencil writing on a

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notepad.

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You just were analyzed in every way.

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That's what it was for, to see what

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makes you tick.

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Well, the week went by, and so at

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the end was an exit interview, where they

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would take each couple privately into the boardroom

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there at the university, and they'd sit you

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down, and there'd be three or four of

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these assessors would sit with you, and in

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the most kind and loving and caring way,

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they would tell you how you did or

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didn't do on the week.

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So we sat there in a couple black

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leather chairs, and three or four gentlemen in

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suits sat across from us, and they began

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to give my wife Melanie her test results,

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what the assessors had thought of her.

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This was probably a half an hour process,

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and she aced it.

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She aced the thing.

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They said, if you were here for another

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week, you'd be part of our assessment team,

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and I thought, wait till they get to

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me.

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They turned to me and they said, you

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know, Carl, in some ways you're off the

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charts in a positive way, but then there's

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this other group of things in your life

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that somehow you don't seem to take seriously,

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but we want you to know that those

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are things you need to take seriously, and

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of course those were things that my wife

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had been telling me all my life I

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should take seriously, and now I was paying

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a thousand dollars for these guys to...

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So I sat there, you know, just with

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a stunned look on my face, and as

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they spent that half an hour in a

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kind, loving way, trying to help me, trying

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to help me, and they said, you know,

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only one assessor out of 14 assessors recommends

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that you would pursue planting new churches, continuing

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on in that way.

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I didn't know what to say, didn't know

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what to do.

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Oh, it was things like, I was in

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charge of the money back then, of our

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family income, and every bill got paid, but

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it got paid late every time, and of

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course I'd be at work, who would get

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the phone calls, you know, and I would

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say to my wife, you know, the car's

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fine, just don't fill it more than half

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full, or the gas tank will leak, you

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know, so don't worry about it.

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Just stuff like that.

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There was dozens and dozens of things like

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that, because I thought I was too busy

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preaching, I thought I was too busy trying

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to be three places at one time, I

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had too many firecrackers that I was trying

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to light all the time, and don't bother

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me with trivial things, I'm trying to do

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the Lord's work.

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That was the way I thought, and I'm

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ashamed to say that, you know, things like

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following through didn't seem like they were important

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to me.

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Things like keeping my word didn't seem like

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it was that big of a deal, because

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I had important stuff, you know, God's work

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to do.

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Anyway, we had this exit interview, and then

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that was the end of the week, so

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we stood up, probably they prayed with us,

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I don't remember, but we shook a few

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hands, and I went upstairs in the university

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to my friend's office.

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He was one of the professors.

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I'd been taking a course on church planting,

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and his name is Vic Stonehouse.

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I went up to Vic's office, and I

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was guessing he was the guy that had

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voted for me to proceed.

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He was a friend of mine, and he

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was one of those assessors.

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We walked in the room, and he just

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burst into tears, and Vic just burst into

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tears.

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He could not stop crying.

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He just kept taking Kleenexes and putting them

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up to his face, and I know now

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why.

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It's because he felt so bad that I

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had tried so hard.

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I had been driving to Sussex from Carleton

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County.

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I'd been staying overnight with he and Joan,

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and I'd been paying attention.

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I'd been working so hard, trying so hard,

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and it just ended in a big train

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wreck, and there was my dear brother, Vic

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Stonehouse, just weeping.

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He couldn't stop crying, so my wife and

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I excused herself, and we went down to

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get in the car to leave.

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I had an old Toyota Camry then, and

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turned the key, the car wouldn't start.

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Every time it threatened to rain, that car

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would not start because the distributor cap was

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cracked, but it was one of those things,

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you know, I said, I'm too busy working

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on a message.

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I'm too busy trying to do this.

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Don't worry about the car, so there I

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sit.

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It's clouding over, and the car won't start.

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Back I go with my hat in my

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hand to ask those pastors and psychologists and

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denominational leaders, is there a few of them

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could push me off the property?

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So it was a standard car.

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You put it in second gear, turn the

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key halfway, and there's a hill as you

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leave Bethany Bible School, Kingswood.

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They got me, you know, I can still

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see in the rear view mirror those guys

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in suits pushing me off the property, and

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that thousand dollars just bulging out of their

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pocket.

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Anyway, I started down the little hill, popped

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the clutch, and we started to drive back

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home to Fredericton and on north up to

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Carlton County.

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My wife told me later she thought I

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was going to go into a depression.

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We drove along, you know, we didn't say

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too much, and I was just trying to

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think about all this, and the sun came

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out, and we got to Fredericton, and we

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said, I don't know if it was her

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or I, but one of us said maybe

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we should stop a Canadian Tire and get

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a distributor cap, and the first thing went

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through my mind, well it's sunny now, the

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car is working great, you know, and but

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that's just the way I thought, you see.

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I don't have the money, I'm too busy,

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I got too many things to do, you

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know, maybe something will come up, I don't

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know.

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You know what it's like to think wrong,

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don't you?

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Don't you know what it's like to think

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wrong about certain things?

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You don't know why, you just get, you

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just get thinking in wrong patterns about something.

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Maybe it's setting boundaries, you know, and that's

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just something that it's just such a mountain

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for you to grasp, or maybe it's forgiveness,

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or maybe it's, you know, a million things,

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and we know it's easy to think wrong

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about stuff.

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So we pulled into Canadian Tire and I

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said, well let's stop and see how much

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they are anyway, and I get out of

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the car.

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I was, I was just this close to

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being in tears anyway.

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I get out of the car and ripped

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the entire seat out of my pants.

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It was a pair of brown corduroys that

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I always wore to baptize people, and I

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just ripped the whole seat out of my

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pants, and I put on a jacket and

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walked into Canadian Tire and my wife was

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in the car.

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I know it sounds funny, but it wasn't

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funny at the time.

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Oh, I was really, I was devastated.

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I was tore up, I was tore right

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to pieces.

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Talk about being far from revival, you know,

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you've come to these meetings thinking, man, I

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want to be revived, I want to be

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revived, and you might feel like you're far

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from revival.

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I couldn't have felt any farther from revival,

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but little did I know that I was

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just a hair away from revival.

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Isn't that interesting?

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You know, wherever you're at today, don't feel

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like you're a million miles away from being

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revived.

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Don't feel like your church is a million

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miles away from being revived, because quite often,

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you know, it's, it's, we have to stop

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trying harder before God can even get our

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attention, and sometimes the only time we stop

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trying harder is when we find ourselves in

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a real pickle.

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That's where I was in there with my

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coat on, my wife's in the car, we

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just left the college an hour ago, and

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I'm standing at the parts desk at Canadian

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Tire, and I wish I could take every

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one of you right there, because I could

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tell you right exactly where I was standing.

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They've changed the parts counter now, but it

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wasn't that long ago, I went and stood

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right in the aisle to that spot, which

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was just feet from where I stood there

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that day, because I stood there thinking, this

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is crazy.

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I don't have the money, I don't have

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the time to be standing here, they're busy,

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and, and yet I was wrestling with what

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my wife was probably out in the car

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praying about, and what those brothers that loved

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me had just told me, you know.

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So the guy comes up and he says

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$67.12 or something like that, and I

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thought, holy Toledo.

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Anyway, I bought it, got it back in

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the car and drove home.

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Well, the next day or two, I was

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up early, the kids were just little then,

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and it wasn't quite time for me to

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wake them up, and I had a little

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fire going in the stove there in our,

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in our mini home, in our living room,

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a little fire going in the glass stove,

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and I was sitting in a green Lazy

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Boy chair there, and everybody was asleep, and

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I was thinking about all this, and I

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was thinking, this is what I was saying

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to myself, Carl, you've got to try harder.

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You know these things, these things they've told

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you?

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You've got to try harder in your personal

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life, in your pastoring life, and I started

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making a mental list about all these things.

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I've got to try harder to do this

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and this, and then all of a sudden,

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I just felt this just weight just began

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to settle in on my head, and I

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thought, you know what, I've been trying harder

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all my life to do these things, and

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it's not working, it's not working, and I

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got all teared up, you know, there sitting

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there by myself, and I thought, what do

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I do?

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What do I do?

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I just bought a new living translation of

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the Bible.

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I'd never had one before, and I, they

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were just fairly new then, and I had

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bought a New Testament there, and it was

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laying open to the Sermon on the Mount,

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the Beatitudes in Matthew chapter 5, and we

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all think of the Sermon on the Mount,

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that first Beatitude is, blessed are the poor

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in spirit, and Sarah's going to put up

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on the screen there right behind me.

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If you look in the New Living Translation,

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it says, blessed are those that realize their

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need for Him, Matthew 5 and verse 3,

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and those notes behind me are from the

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David Jeremiah Study Bible.

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At the bottom of the page, it describes

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what it means to be poor in spirit.

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The humble, those with destitute hearts, sense their

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spiritual need and seek after God.

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They have the advantage, and I asked Sarah

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to put that in capitals, the advantage and

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the great joy of being able to cry

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out to God for help, and I looked

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at that verse there in Matthew 5 verse

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3, the first of the Beatitudes, the blessed

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are the poor in spirit, and I thought,

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that's not a sermon for you to preach,

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Carl, that's for you, that's for you right

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now, that's for you as a Christian, and

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God spoke to me right at that moment,

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and He said, Carl, stop trying harder, start

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making better choices, stop trying harder on your

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own, start making better choices as I help

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you, and I don't know if that means

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a thing to you or not, but to

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me, there's two different worlds, trying harder versus

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making better choices with God's help, and I

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can't tell you, but that little, that little

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mini home with the fire and that green

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chair became my place of revival.

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Revival began because I began to think a

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little bit differently.

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Here, just minutes ago, just 30 seconds before

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that, I felt like just the weight of

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the world was on my shoulders, and all

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of a sudden, I'm in revival, because God

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spoke to me through His Word and by

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His Holy Spirit, stop trying harder, start making

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better choices.

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Well, that began one of hundreds and hundreds,

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and right up till even to today, me

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trying to ask God, can you help me,

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Lord, because I always want to revert back

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to that trying harder business.

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Can you help me?

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And that's my prayer.

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It has to be my prayer on a

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regular basis, or every time I try harder,

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I fall flat on my face, but when

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I step back, say, God, let's look at

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the big picture here.

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God helps me.

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I make better choices.

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I'm all for living in the moment.

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I'm going to get Sarah to put that,

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take that back off and go back to

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our title, stop trying harder and start making

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better choices, and it's such a difference, such

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a difference in practical ways and in spiritual

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ways, too.

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It's a whole different way to live.

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For instance, in practical ways, I get up

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from the green chair, and we got the

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kids off to school, and I said to

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my wife, can we get our power bill

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on equalized billing?

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She said, sure, we can get it on

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equalized billing.

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It was a practical thing that we could

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do.

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We put our power bill on equalized billing.

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It was the same every month.

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I could handle that.

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I was still running the money back then.

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I could handle that.

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I didn't have to try harder to, you

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know what I mean?

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That was one practical thing.

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We started paying with cash for things more.

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I'm not saying this is what you have

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to do.

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I'm just saying not using cash, using credit

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wasn't working for me.

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Trying to pay my power bill when it

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came in the mail wasn't working for me.

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I did it, but it was always late,

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as I said.

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Other practical ways, when I'd say to people,

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I'll get back to you, that wasn't working

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for me because I had too many irons

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in the fire, spinning too many plates.

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You know what that's like to have so

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many plates you're spinning all the time, and

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you don't know how many people you've said,

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leave that with me, will you?

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I'll get back to you.

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That stuff wasn't working for me.

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It wasn't working for me as a pastor,

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as a husband, in dealing with my kids,

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making promises, and I had to stop that.

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I had to say, Lord, I can't try

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harder to have a better memory.

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I can't try harder to follow through with

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things.

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You and I have to figure this out,

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Lord, how I can make better choices that

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will help me, and that's what I'm here

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to talk to you today about.

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I don't like to talk about the way

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I used to think.

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I don't like to talk about the old

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Carl and the way I used to be,

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but in one sense it's a reminder to

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me what God has done, and so I

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just share it today to say God wants

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to, he's no respecter of persons, God wants

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to do amazing things in us and meet

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us right where we're at.

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So, in spiritual ways, as a pastor, and

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I hope there's pastors listening and watching online,

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and I'm sure there are pastors here and

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Christian leaders as well.

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In practical ways, one of the bags of

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rocks that I carried around as a pastor

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was sermon preparation.

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Almost every week I'd say, I've got to

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try harder next week to be better prepared.

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You get up Monday morning, your feet hit

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the floor, you're a pastor, you like to

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visit with people, the phone rings, you love

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it, you love to be with people, you

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love to pray and be going and doing

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and fellowshipping with other pastors and so on,

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but hardly a week went by there for

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those first ten years of my being in

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full-time ministry that I wouldn't say, I've

534
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,660
got to try harder to get my act

535
00:20:33,660 --> 00:20:35,140
together earlier in the week and be better

536
00:20:35,140 --> 00:20:37,180
prepared for what I've got to say.

537
00:20:37,780 --> 00:20:39,140
And so God and I began to talk

538
00:20:39,140 --> 00:20:41,380
about this because I'd beat myself up and

539
00:20:41,380 --> 00:20:42,620
all that stuff.

540
00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,240
You have issues in your life that you're

541
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:45,240
trying harder on, right?

542
00:20:45,300 --> 00:20:46,620
You beat yourself up on them.

543
00:20:48,380 --> 00:20:50,380
Like Dr. Phil says, how's that working out

544
00:20:50,380 --> 00:20:51,480
for you, you know?

545
00:20:53,060 --> 00:20:54,760
It wasn't working out very good for me.

546
00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:56,960
Being a pastor was a stressful thing.

547
00:20:57,260 --> 00:20:58,840
There were some Sunday mornings I had to

548
00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,160
call my father-in-law, Jack Salmon.

549
00:21:01,260 --> 00:21:04,320
He's long gone now, but I'd say, Jack,

550
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,420
I've worked all week, I haven't been lazy,

551
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:07,880
but I just don't have it together.

552
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:09,600
And this is like five o'clock in

553
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:09,920
the morning.

554
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,560
He'd show up at 11 o'clock and

555
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:13,400
preach for me, you know?

556
00:21:13,940 --> 00:21:15,680
And I'd say to the congregation, you know,

557
00:21:15,740 --> 00:21:18,240
just pray for me, pray for me, pray

558
00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:18,740
for me.

559
00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:20,740
Stuff like that.

560
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,820
So this is part of the reason why

561
00:21:25,820 --> 00:21:27,900
Greg Gordon asked me to speak today, because

562
00:21:27,900 --> 00:21:31,100
Greg thinks I have a unique sermon preparation

563
00:21:31,100 --> 00:21:32,160
plan in place.

564
00:21:32,900 --> 00:21:35,400
Now I've never heard of any other pastor

565
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:36,880
that does this, but I'm sure there are

566
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:38,220
other pastors that do it.

567
00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,120
But this is what the Lord and I

568
00:21:40,120 --> 00:21:40,860
have going on.

569
00:21:41,420 --> 00:21:44,800
On Monday mornings, I get up, my mind

570
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,640
is blank, as it normally is, but it's

571
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,560
an extra blank on Monday mornings.

572
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,100
I get up before breakfast, just like you

573
00:21:51,100 --> 00:21:52,940
do, and I start to do my own

574
00:21:52,940 --> 00:21:54,000
personal devotions.

575
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,120
And through that, I feel, if God is

576
00:21:58,120 --> 00:22:00,800
speaking to me about this, maybe God wants

577
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,220
to speak to somebody else about it.

578
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,320
So I start writing some notes to go

579
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:05,300
towards my message.

580
00:22:05,900 --> 00:22:08,480
If it's speaking to me, a thought, a

581
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,220
text, or whatever, I think God will speak

582
00:22:11,220 --> 00:22:11,940
to somebody else.

583
00:22:12,140 --> 00:22:14,120
So I have set myself up on a

584
00:22:14,120 --> 00:22:17,200
schedule where every Monday, I have to preach

585
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,660
at 1.30 to 80 to 100 people,

586
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,840
every Monday at 1.30 in the afternoon.

587
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:23,880
And on Monday morning, when I get up,

588
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,900
I have no message, but by noon, when

589
00:22:26,900 --> 00:22:28,640
I get ready to leave the house, the

590
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,760
Lord and I have worked that out together,

591
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,400
and I've discovered I can be just as

592
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,100
inspired on Monday morning at 7 as I

593
00:22:35,100 --> 00:22:36,480
can Saturday night at midnight.

594
00:22:36,620 --> 00:22:37,840
I can be just as inspired.

595
00:22:39,180 --> 00:22:41,340
And so I generally preach to that group

596
00:22:41,340 --> 00:22:44,420
at the seniors' home in Woodstock and their

597
00:22:44,420 --> 00:22:44,860
families.

598
00:22:45,020 --> 00:22:46,740
We have a church service there every Monday

599
00:22:46,740 --> 00:22:49,640
at 1.30, and I hardly use any

600
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,060
notes, maybe just three or four sentences, but

601
00:22:52,060 --> 00:22:54,100
I'm just sharing what God has been speaking

602
00:22:54,100 --> 00:22:54,860
to my heart about.

603
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,900
Then, this is the part that Greg especially

604
00:22:57,900 --> 00:23:00,320
wanted me to share, is then on Monday

605
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,240
nights, there's a group that meets in someone's

606
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:04,560
home, and it's open to anyone in the

607
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,380
church, so there's usually about a dozen people

608
00:23:06,380 --> 00:23:09,600
show up, and I say to them, this

609
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,180
is what I may be preaching on on

610
00:23:11,180 --> 00:23:11,500
Sunday.

611
00:23:12,020 --> 00:23:14,600
I've already preached it this afternoon to a

612
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,360
group of seniors and their families, but this

613
00:23:16,360 --> 00:23:18,460
is what I'll probably be preaching on Sunday.

614
00:23:20,460 --> 00:23:21,520
What do you think of that?

615
00:23:21,580 --> 00:23:23,320
How is God speaking to you from this

616
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:23,720
text?

617
00:23:23,860 --> 00:23:25,440
How is God speaking to you from this

618
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:25,780
thought?

619
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,000
And so we pray and do sort of

620
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,580
a Lectio Divina-style Bible study where we'll

621
00:23:31,580 --> 00:23:35,280
pray, then we'll read the verses, and then

622
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,240
we'll pray again, and then we'll say, this

623
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:38,680
is a verse that God's speaking to me

624
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:38,920
about.

625
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:40,760
And I'll just sit there with a blank

626
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,540
piece of paper and just start writing notes.

627
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,740
I show up every week to that meeting

628
00:23:45,740 --> 00:23:47,240
with just a blank piece of paper and

629
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:48,260
just start writing notes.

630
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,300
And we have two 20-year-old young

631
00:23:51,300 --> 00:23:54,480
ladies that attend that, Nolly and Anita, and

632
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:55,960
they'll start saying, you know, this is what

633
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,480
God would say to me from what you're

634
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,620
talking about, Pastor Carl, and they'll start sharing

635
00:23:59,620 --> 00:24:01,400
things, you know, how it applies to them,

636
00:24:01,460 --> 00:24:02,700
and I'll start writing stuff out.

637
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,320
Their grandparents, Norton and Annie, are there.

638
00:24:05,780 --> 00:24:07,300
They're in their mid-70s, and they say,

639
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,480
this is how this verse is speaking to

640
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:09,580
me.

641
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,240
Verse 3 is speaking to me, or verse

642
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:12,880
5, and they'll share that.

643
00:24:13,300 --> 00:24:14,880
Then I have a friend there, Rex.

644
00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:16,600
He's of a different denomination.

645
00:24:17,500 --> 00:24:20,760
And he's there, and he'll say, well, you

646
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,080
know, this is what the Lord is saying

647
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:22,920
to me from this verse.

648
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,020
This is what I get out of this.

649
00:24:24,060 --> 00:24:24,820
And I'm just writing.

650
00:24:24,900 --> 00:24:26,200
I can't write fast enough.

651
00:24:26,300 --> 00:24:29,180
I cannot write fast enough, Pat, on Monday

652
00:24:29,180 --> 00:24:32,420
nights, as I'm just feeling blessed, because these

653
00:24:32,420 --> 00:24:34,540
people are saying, God's Word is speaking to

654
00:24:34,540 --> 00:24:37,660
me, and I'm just, the smoke's just coming

655
00:24:37,660 --> 00:24:38,580
right off my pen.

656
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,960
And we're together, we're building the message for

657
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:43,340
Sunday.

658
00:24:44,340 --> 00:24:45,600
Greg says that's unusual.

659
00:24:47,860 --> 00:24:49,400
And it works for me.

660
00:24:49,460 --> 00:24:50,760
I'm not saying you have to do it,

661
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,160
pastors, but I'm saying it works for me,

662
00:24:53,620 --> 00:24:56,440
because for 10 years before that, I carried

663
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:57,980
around a bag of rocks, said, Carl, if

664
00:24:57,980 --> 00:24:59,520
you just tried harder to get your act

665
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,980
together on sermon preparation, you'd do a better

666
00:25:01,980 --> 00:25:02,360
job.

667
00:25:02,420 --> 00:25:03,740
If you were doing a better job, the

668
00:25:03,740 --> 00:25:05,340
church would be full, the bills would be

669
00:25:05,340 --> 00:25:07,560
paid, the treasurer would be happy, revival would

670
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,560
be, but it all was on my shoulders.

671
00:25:09,660 --> 00:25:10,640
Just try harder.

672
00:25:12,420 --> 00:25:15,740
I just thank God that he said to

673
00:25:15,740 --> 00:25:18,280
me that day, Carl, stop trying harder.

674
00:25:19,020 --> 00:25:20,280
Start making better choices.

675
00:25:21,460 --> 00:25:23,280
I can't tell you what that's meant in

676
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:23,800
my life.

677
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,260
I wouldn't be here today, that's for sure.

678
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,480
I would be showing up in church somewhere,

679
00:25:29,780 --> 00:25:32,140
I wouldn't be a pastor, but I'd be

680
00:25:32,140 --> 00:25:34,320
sitting somewhere in the church, probably in the

681
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,680
back row, and I'd be, every Sunday, saying,

682
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,220
Lord, I just wish I could try harder,

683
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:39,700
because look at all these people that are

684
00:25:39,700 --> 00:25:40,960
doing so much better than me.

685
00:25:41,940 --> 00:25:43,760
And I'd be beating myself up, week in,

686
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:44,900
week out, trying harder.

687
00:25:46,300 --> 00:25:48,000
I'm so glad that's not what the Christian

688
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:48,560
life is.

689
00:25:48,620 --> 00:25:50,420
Aren't you glad that's not what following Jesus

690
00:25:50,420 --> 00:25:51,360
is, trying harder?

691
00:25:51,740 --> 00:25:54,720
It's making choices with God's help, God helping

692
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,280
us, helping us see the big picture.

693
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,420
So for the last 15 years, this is

694
00:26:02,420 --> 00:26:04,960
how I've been preparing sermons.

695
00:26:05,540 --> 00:26:09,080
A good friend of mine was in a

696
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,720
session one time, and somebody floated the idea

697
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,800
about getting other people to help pastors get

698
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:15,700
their messages ready.

699
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:17,680
And I really respect this guy, and he

700
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,160
said, wouldn't that turn into a sermon stew?

701
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,040
Wouldn't that be just a hodgepodge of ideas

702
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:23,540
and stuff?

703
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:25,520
And that's never happened.

704
00:26:25,580 --> 00:26:26,320
It's never happened.

705
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:27,640
We're in one mind, one accord.

706
00:26:28,180 --> 00:26:30,100
And sometimes I don't use, maybe don't even

707
00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:32,040
use that message.

708
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,640
In fact, some Monday nights, as we get

709
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,460
discussing it, I realize, you know what, this

710
00:26:36,460 --> 00:26:37,960
isn't a topic that I'm ready to preach

711
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,140
on yet, because I don't know what I'm

712
00:26:40,140 --> 00:26:40,720
talking about.

713
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:42,940
And that's a great help, too.

714
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,520
Better before than after the message is preached,

715
00:26:45,580 --> 00:26:45,800
right?

716
00:26:49,540 --> 00:26:52,220
I just thank God, because I have enjoyed

717
00:26:52,220 --> 00:26:54,960
being a pastor so much these last 15

718
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:55,360
years.

719
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,400
Well, it's actually about 20 years now.

720
00:26:57,500 --> 00:26:59,160
I've been pastoring full time now for a

721
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:00,160
little over 30 years.

722
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,120
And the last 20 years of doing these

723
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:06,460
things, being a pastor has been such a

724
00:27:06,460 --> 00:27:08,300
blessing and such a joy.

725
00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:11,680
And as Andrew and I were talking earlier,

726
00:27:12,260 --> 00:27:14,400
Andrew said, the thing that jumps out at

727
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,160
me is that, wouldn't that be helpful to

728
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:17,560
this 12 people that show up?

729
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:18,380
And I said, you bet.

730
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:19,240
Your life it is.

731
00:27:19,700 --> 00:27:21,120
We're doing devotions together.

732
00:27:21,260 --> 00:27:22,460
We're studying God's word together.

733
00:27:22,580 --> 00:27:25,020
We're applying it together, praying for one another.

734
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,660
Before we leave, you know, the conclusion of

735
00:27:27,660 --> 00:27:29,720
that is in that Lectio Divina style is,

736
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,480
what am I going to do about that?

737
00:27:31,940 --> 00:27:33,640
How does God want me to apply this

738
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:34,000
verse?

739
00:27:35,340 --> 00:27:37,280
And so we share that, pray for one

740
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,360
another, and out we go out the door.

741
00:27:40,820 --> 00:27:42,940
That's a little bit of my sermon preparation,

742
00:27:43,700 --> 00:27:45,120
making better choices.

743
00:27:45,380 --> 00:27:47,420
For me, that was God helping me make

744
00:27:47,420 --> 00:27:48,160
a better choice.

745
00:27:48,860 --> 00:27:50,480
Maybe God wanted me to stay in the

746
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,200
ministry, to stay being a pastor.

747
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:53,540
And he said, I've got to help this

748
00:27:53,540 --> 00:27:54,160
guy out here.

749
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,240
He's trying harder, and he's blowing it.

750
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,060
And so this is how God has helped

751
00:27:59,060 --> 00:27:59,360
me.

752
00:27:59,820 --> 00:28:02,340
And I pray that it might help somebody

753
00:28:02,340 --> 00:28:02,660
else.

754
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,260
It feels like sermon preparation.

755
00:28:04,260 --> 00:28:06,620
You love it, but it's like carrying a

756
00:28:06,620 --> 00:28:07,820
big sack of rocks around.

757
00:28:10,220 --> 00:28:13,800
Another thing is visiting people, visitation.

758
00:28:14,260 --> 00:28:16,020
I love to visit people, and I love

759
00:28:16,020 --> 00:28:16,960
to be around people.

760
00:28:17,900 --> 00:28:19,980
But it's difficult.

761
00:28:20,220 --> 00:28:22,680
How am I going to visit a 50

762
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,320
-year-old lady that starts coming to our

763
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:25,780
church who's a professional person?

764
00:28:25,860 --> 00:28:27,360
How am I going to start visiting a

765
00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:29,380
22-year-old girl that starts coming?

766
00:28:29,820 --> 00:28:32,040
To get my wife's schedule, to coordinate with

767
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,360
mine, and then with that young working person,

768
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,020
it's next to impossible.

769
00:28:37,420 --> 00:28:40,160
And so, again, I thought, I've got to

770
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:40,700
try harder.

771
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:41,980
I've got to try harder to be better

772
00:28:41,980 --> 00:28:43,700
at visitation and all that stuff.

773
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,920
And the harder I tried, the worse things

774
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:47,200
went.

775
00:28:47,780 --> 00:28:50,040
And just recently, within the last year or

776
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,980
so, I realized one day, one Monday I

777
00:28:52,980 --> 00:28:54,120
got up and I said, I've got to

778
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:54,820
visit so-and-so.

779
00:28:54,860 --> 00:28:56,060
And I started writing down names.

780
00:28:56,260 --> 00:28:58,700
And I had 25 people's names written down

781
00:28:58,700 --> 00:29:00,360
that were new people to our church.

782
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,660
Or if they weren't coming to our church,

783
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,940
they were calling me or texting me, asking

784
00:29:04,940 --> 00:29:06,000
me spiritual questions.

785
00:29:06,300 --> 00:29:08,960
So at that point, there was 25 new

786
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:09,360
people.

787
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,000
And I started to revert back to that

788
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:13,540
trying harder.

789
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,200
I thought, I've got to try really hard

790
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,580
to befriend all these 25 people, build relationships

791
00:29:18,580 --> 00:29:21,060
with them, and get them on board.

792
00:29:21,580 --> 00:29:23,580
And then I realized, no, Carl, that's the

793
00:29:23,580 --> 00:29:24,320
old way of thinking.

794
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:25,700
That's the old way of thinking.

795
00:29:27,380 --> 00:29:28,900
So I began to pray about it.

796
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,580
And God reminded me when I was down

797
00:29:31,580 --> 00:29:34,440
in Florida a couple of years ago at

798
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:35,840
the Brooksville Wesleyan Church.

799
00:29:36,220 --> 00:29:38,080
We stepped in there that first Sunday.

800
00:29:38,580 --> 00:29:39,960
My wife and I were down there for

801
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,940
four or five weeks on a vacation.

802
00:29:42,540 --> 00:29:44,500
And it was a church of 700 people.

803
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:45,940
Jerry Pence is the pastor.

804
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,960
And I'm sitting there thinking, wow, their choir

805
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,800
loft here is as big as our church.

806
00:29:52,620 --> 00:29:54,660
And I'm thinking how nice it is, but

807
00:29:54,660 --> 00:29:55,940
how impersonal it is.

808
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,240
And just now, Pastor Jerry Pence says, if

809
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,840
anyone's here today, you came to church and

810
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,720
you're praying for someone, there's someone that's heavy

811
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,600
on your heart, or you have a prayer

812
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,920
request, while this song is being sung and

813
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,600
while one of our pastors is praying, we'd

814
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:11,540
like you to come forward.

815
00:30:11,620 --> 00:30:12,580
It was right in the middle of the

816
00:30:12,580 --> 00:30:15,200
service, maybe even 15 minutes into the service.

817
00:30:15,340 --> 00:30:17,200
And they said, you can kneel or sit

818
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,180
at the front here, and someone will pray

819
00:30:19,180 --> 00:30:19,460
with you.

820
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:20,680
And I was the first guy on my

821
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:20,900
feet.

822
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:22,620
There was someone on my mind that I

823
00:30:22,620 --> 00:30:23,320
was praying about.

824
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,360
I was tightened up in my stomach about

825
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:25,820
something.

826
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:27,680
And all of a sudden, that church of

827
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:31,160
700 people became just as personal as the

828
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:32,080
little country church.

829
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:34,500
And I was the first guy up there.

830
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:35,560
Someone prayed with me.

831
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:36,960
And I went back to my seat feeling

832
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,140
like I had really connected with somebody.

833
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,840
And we started doing that in our church.

834
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:43,120
I looked at that.

835
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,220
I looked at that list of 25 people,

836
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:46,540
and I thought, there's no way that's going

837
00:30:46,540 --> 00:30:47,720
to happen, that I'm going to be able

838
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,580
to minister to those people one-on-one

839
00:30:50,580 --> 00:30:51,240
like I'd like.

840
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,740
I told that story one Sunday in church

841
00:30:53,740 --> 00:30:54,680
that I just told you.

842
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,100
And I said, someone's coming to lead in

843
00:30:57,100 --> 00:30:57,520
a song.

844
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,680
And if anybody wants to come forward in

845
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,640
our church and sit on the front row,

846
00:31:02,340 --> 00:31:03,600
I'll go down and pray with you for

847
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,000
a moment or two while the song is

848
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,280
being sung, and then you can go back

849
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:06,740
to your seat.

850
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,040
I hadn't even got a piece of gum

851
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:09,740
in my mouth.

852
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,700
And the whole front row was full, and

853
00:31:12,700 --> 00:31:14,420
there was people sitting at the altar.

854
00:31:14,580 --> 00:31:16,880
That's how hungry people were for some kind

855
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:17,960
of personal contact.

856
00:31:18,420 --> 00:31:19,160
Couldn't believe it.

857
00:31:19,820 --> 00:31:21,520
The people that were up singing that first

858
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,840
Sunday sang the whole hymn through twice, all

859
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,240
the verses through twice.

860
00:31:25,460 --> 00:31:26,640
We didn't know what to do.

861
00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:28,820
And I was just praying with each person.

862
00:31:29,500 --> 00:31:31,660
Because people can relate to what it means

863
00:31:31,660 --> 00:31:33,700
to try harder, try harder.

864
00:31:33,860 --> 00:31:34,540
Nothing's working.

865
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,200
You know, having burdens for people.

866
00:31:36,460 --> 00:31:39,280
But this is what God and I have

867
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:39,820
worked out.

868
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,420
This is what God worked out and I

869
00:31:41,420 --> 00:31:45,500
agreed to it when it comes to visitation.

870
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,160
And visitation for a pastor, here's Andrew, he's

871
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,000
a brand new pastor just as of June

872
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:51,540
of this year.

873
00:31:51,660 --> 00:31:53,540
He's the pastor here at this church.

874
00:31:54,660 --> 00:31:56,280
You know, some pastors, it's like they're carrying

875
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,020
a hockey bag full of gear around with

876
00:31:58,020 --> 00:32:00,460
them when it comes to sermon preparation, another

877
00:32:00,460 --> 00:32:02,280
hockey bag on visitation.

878
00:32:03,580 --> 00:32:05,680
And I beat myself up too many years

879
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,720
trying harder and failing miserably.

880
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,140
And I'm glad that God has better choices.

881
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:12,660
I'm glad for that.

882
00:32:13,140 --> 00:32:14,660
You can relate that to your life, I'm

883
00:32:14,660 --> 00:32:17,600
sure, in ways that if you just give

884
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:18,840
God a chance to do that.

885
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:25,800
Well, the other day I got a call

886
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,060
from a guy in our church and we

887
00:32:27,060 --> 00:32:31,040
were chatting and he said, what are you

888
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:31,300
up to?

889
00:32:31,340 --> 00:32:33,740
And I said, well, I was up on

890
00:32:33,740 --> 00:32:36,580
the roof putting new mortar on the chimney.

891
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,200
And that's what I'd been doing for about

892
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,620
an hour there, one of those last sunny

893
00:32:40,620 --> 00:32:43,600
days before this cold weather socked us all

894
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:43,820
in.

895
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,020
And I'd been up on the roof cleaning

896
00:32:46,020 --> 00:32:47,700
the chimney and I noticed that some of

897
00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:49,580
the mortar between the bricks was cracking and

898
00:32:49,580 --> 00:32:50,900
so I mixed up a little bit of

899
00:32:50,900 --> 00:32:52,800
mortar, went up there with a trowel and

900
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:55,340
I think they called it repointing your chimney

901
00:32:55,340 --> 00:32:55,640
maybe.

902
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:57,940
And as best I could, I spent an

903
00:32:57,940 --> 00:32:59,560
hour and a half putting new mortar between

904
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:00,040
the bricks.

905
00:33:01,140 --> 00:33:02,760
So anyway, the guy calls me and says,

906
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:03,900
I called you, you weren't home.

907
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:04,940
I said, I was up on the roof

908
00:33:06,180 --> 00:33:08,320
and I'm doing this to the chimney and

909
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,960
this is what he said, was it leaking?

910
00:33:11,340 --> 00:33:12,820
No, he said it was leaking, was it?

911
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,640
I said, no, it wasn't leaking at all.

912
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,640
And I realized I was a different guy

913
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,160
than the guy that stood a Canadian tire

914
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:21,720
that day.

915
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,240
Wrestling was spending 67 bucks.

916
00:33:24,580 --> 00:33:25,780
This was just last week.

917
00:33:26,460 --> 00:33:30,240
And I realized, Lord, I almost cried because

918
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,540
I thought, Lord, you're helping me.

919
00:33:33,660 --> 00:33:35,680
You're helping me to make better choices.

920
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,660
And that's just a crazy illustration about a

921
00:33:38,660 --> 00:33:41,940
chimney trying to, you know, look after it

922
00:33:41,940 --> 00:33:42,800
before it breaks.

923
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,800
But spiritually, God is helping me that same

924
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,800
way to deal with things before they break.

925
00:33:50,140 --> 00:33:52,700
God wants to help each one of us

926
00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:56,380
to stop trying harder and start making better

927
00:33:56,380 --> 00:33:56,820
choices.

928
00:34:00,050 --> 00:34:01,790
I'm going to grab this guitar here and

929
00:34:01,790 --> 00:34:02,430
sing a song.

930
00:34:02,750 --> 00:34:03,950
And as I sing it, you might want

931
00:34:03,950 --> 00:34:07,110
to close your eyes and just listen to

932
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:08,949
the words and let God speak to you

933
00:34:08,949 --> 00:34:09,969
about this topic, would you?

934
00:34:20,330 --> 00:34:22,610
In fact, let's stand as we consider this.

935
00:34:31,989 --> 00:34:36,889
And I, if I be lifted up, he

936
00:34:36,889 --> 00:34:41,730
said, will draw all men to me.

937
00:34:42,710 --> 00:34:48,690
I raised my eyes to the skies and

938
00:34:48,690 --> 00:34:53,889
said, his love lifted me.

939
00:34:56,590 --> 00:34:59,610
Reach up for him.

940
00:35:02,310 --> 00:35:05,790
You know, God's reaching down for you.

941
00:35:08,010 --> 00:35:10,970
You can never seem to know.

942
00:35:11,930 --> 00:35:16,490
Don't you think God knows just what you're

943
00:35:16,490 --> 00:35:18,370
going through.

944
00:35:19,950 --> 00:35:28,030
The miles of space, God's amazing grace can

945
00:35:28,030 --> 00:35:29,030
span.

946
00:35:31,550 --> 00:35:33,930
Reach up for him.

947
00:35:34,810 --> 00:35:40,510
Reach up and touch God's hand.

948
00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:51,040
The faintest flicker of faith, my friend, is

949
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,540
all God needs to see.

950
00:35:54,780 --> 00:35:59,360
There's no need for words when your thoughts

951
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,000
are heard.

952
00:36:01,780 --> 00:36:04,520
And his love lifted me.

953
00:36:07,700 --> 00:36:11,320
Reach up for him.

954
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,780
You know, God's reaching down for you.

955
00:36:18,590 --> 00:36:21,770
You can never seem to know.

956
00:36:21,770 --> 00:36:25,810
Oh, don't you think God knows just what

957
00:36:25,810 --> 00:36:29,030
you're going through.

958
00:36:30,710 --> 00:36:38,350
The miles of space, God's amazing grace can

959
00:36:38,350 --> 00:36:39,090
span.

960
00:36:41,150 --> 00:36:44,270
Reach out for him.

961
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,540
Reach up and touch God's hand.

962
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,680
Lord, I pray that today, the rest of

963
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,620
this day, when I'm tempted to just try

964
00:37:10,620 --> 00:37:17,280
harder on my own strength, that I would

965
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,160
just step back and say, let's approach this

966
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,180
a different way, Carl.

967
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,720
Let's make better choices with God's help.

968
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:27,920
Lord, I pray for that one today that

969
00:37:28,940 --> 00:37:33,920
is used to trying harder and failing and

970
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,360
then feeling guilty over it.

971
00:37:35,420 --> 00:37:37,280
And the whole cycle begins all over again.

972
00:37:37,740 --> 00:37:39,620
I pray for those pastors that might be

973
00:37:39,620 --> 00:37:42,380
listening to this or watching this today or

974
00:37:42,380 --> 00:37:42,960
in the future.

975
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,800
If this could just give a pastor a

976
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,260
little bit of hope, a little bit of

977
00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:52,600
some tools for his toolbox, then Lord, everything

978
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,220
we're doing is so worthwhile.

979
00:37:54,900 --> 00:37:57,880
We know, Lord, that if we're not in

980
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,580
revival personally, it doesn't matter where we are,

981
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:01,480
we're not in revival.

982
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,040
But if we are in revival personally, if

983
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,940
you're personally reviving us, then wherever we are,

984
00:38:07,060 --> 00:38:09,140
if we're in the deadest church or the

985
00:38:09,140 --> 00:38:11,340
deadest job, we're in the middle of revival

986
00:38:11,340 --> 00:38:13,400
because you're reviving us from inside.

987
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,100
So, Lord, may that be our case.

988
00:38:17,220 --> 00:38:18,380
And it's in Christ's name we pray.

989
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,980
And everybody said amen and amen.

990
00:38:21,620 --> 00:38:23,340
Please stop by and pick up some literature

991
00:38:23,340 --> 00:38:24,760
I have out on the table that talks

992
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,020
a little bit about what I said here

993
00:38:26,020 --> 00:38:26,300
today.

994
00:38:26,740 --> 00:38:27,360
God bless you.
