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Good morning.

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I just want to greet you all in

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Jesus' name.

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I'm really thankful to be here.

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It's just been a long time since we

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missed last Sunday.

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I really appreciated the opening, Brother Leroy.

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I feel like we've been on the receiving

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end of that action verb of love now

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here the last week or so.

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It's very humbling, a very big blessing, and

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necessary for the people of God.

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I just wanted to share this morning on

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a topic I've been thinking about now for

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some time, and it's just come into sharper

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focus as of late.

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Oh, maybe even a year ago, Brother Harvey

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talked about it in an opening.

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Just wanted to talk more about it, and

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as I was sitting here this morning thinking

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about it, I just kind of feel...

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I think when I started studying for it,

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I thought maybe it would be pretty short,

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and then it kind of got longer.

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Sometimes I feel like some of these topics

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are pretty weighty, and it's almost like, especially

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when it comes time to actually do it

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and to share, it feels almost like I'm

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a boy in a hay barn playing with

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a book of matches.

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If you see that this morning in anything

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that I say, just call me out of

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the barn and show me how matches are

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supposed to be used.

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Hopefully that makes sense.

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I don't know.

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A lot of this stuff is a big

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deal, and I wouldn't want to get it

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wrong.

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Why don't we all stand and pray?

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Father, thank you so much for giving us

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the ability to meet here this morning and

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to fill this place with music of worship

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to you.

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Father, let our hearts be tuned right, and

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God, please give me the ability to speak

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this morning and not be overcome by nerves,

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or just to be able, Father, to communicate

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clearly the things that are on my heart,

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and let us all be open, Father, for

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correction and reproof and to edify each other.

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God, please bless our time together.

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Help us to live pleasing to you.

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In Jesus' name I pray.

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Amen.

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I wanted to read an account in Luke

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chapter 4, starting

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at the beginning of Luke 4 to verse

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13, right after Jesus was baptized.

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And Jesus, being full of the Holy Ghost,

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returned from Jordan and was led by the

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Spirit into the wilderness, being forty days tempted

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of the devil.

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And in those days he did eat nothing,

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and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.

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And the devil said unto him, If thou

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be the Son of God, command this stone,

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that it may be made bread.

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And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written

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that man shall not live by bread alone,

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but by every word of God.

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And the devil, taking him up into a

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high mountain, showed unto him all the kingdoms

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of the world in a moment of time.

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And the devil said unto him, All this

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power will I give thee in the glory

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of them, for that is delivered unto me,

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and to whomsoever I will I give it.

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If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall

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be thine.

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And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get

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thee behind me, Satan, for it is written,

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Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and

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him only shalt thou serve.

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And he brought him up to Jerusalem and

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set him on a pinnacle of the temple,

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and said unto him, If thou be the

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Son of God, cast thyself down from hence,

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for it is written, He shall give his

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angels charge over thee to keep thee.

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And in their hands they shall bear thee

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up, lest at any time thou dash thy

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foot against a stone.

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And Jesus answering said unto him, It is

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said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy

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God.

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And when the devil had ended all the

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temptation, he departed from him for a season,

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or for a more opportune time, I think

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is how it's put some places.

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There's a lot in this passage.

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There's a lot that could be said about

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it.

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I had written down that two out of

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the three attempt, two out of the three

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temptations here put forth by Satan are trying

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to tempt Jesus to use his power for

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deliverance from the physical harm or hardship.

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But, and he didn't do it.

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But really, I guess, as I read this

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again, I almost feel like it's all three

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of the instances in some way.

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Just one of the instances doesn't use Jesus'

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power, it would use the power of Satan

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to deliver kingdoms to Jesus himself.

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You look at each example here.

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I mean, we think about, so Jesus was

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fasting for 40 days and 40 nights.

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And Jesus offers him deliverance from the suffering

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of hunger.

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Just use some of your power to turn

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these stones into bread.

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Then, when he shows him all the kingdoms

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of the world in a moment of time

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from a high mountain place, those are going

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to be long to Christ.

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were kingdoms of the world and therefore in

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Satan's dominion, and he offered him relief from

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the suffering that he should have gone through

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or that he was going to go through,

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if only he would bow down and worship

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him.

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So there was a deliverance there from the

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suffering that was at hand for Jesus.

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And then lastly, you know, he tempts Jesus

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to use his power to escape physical harm

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by falling down.

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And I've been thinking about how Satan framed

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those things and how he tempted Jesus.

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You know, there was a temptation, there was

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something in it that was appealing to Jesus'

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flesh, otherwise it wouldn't have been temptation.

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He had to wrestle with it, he had

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to struggle.

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I thought, you know, that that wasn't just

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a no-brainer for him.

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There was a human element to Jesus, and

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so he wrestled with this temptation, he wrestled

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with these offers of deliverance from suffering, and

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he prevailed.

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And I've been thinking a lot about that

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lately, about suffering.

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With this pandemic and living here in a

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rural part of the country, it's just really

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hard to relate to those that are hardest

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hit by this thing, this pandemic, this COVID

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-19.

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Opinions about this are about as varied as

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the different people that we meet.

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There's a lot.

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guess as I've heard others, especially like in

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the realm of Christianity, talking about these things

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is an idea that I've heard at other

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times too, and it's the thought that true

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Christians will be spared hardship or suffering.

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on to the idea that God will protect

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his people.

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And hearing that kind of really made me

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reflect a lot on, well, what is a

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Christian's role in suffering anyway?

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I mean, there seems to be a widely

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held belief, at least in Western Christianity, that

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God always relieves us or spares us of

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suffering, and he restores all of life's pleasantries

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as they once were, as we remember them,

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or as we hope they would be.

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Is that a right understanding?

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I'm not sure where all of that comes

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from.

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I guess I think maybe one, you know,

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Brother Joel has said that sometimes when we

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receive the light of the gospel and like

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a lot of the wrongs of society and

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the wrongs of the world are brought to

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our attention, it's like you wake up in

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Disneyland, and you decide you don't want to

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be there.

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And so you can make a decision.

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You can figure out how to survive in

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Disneyland, or you can leave.

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not Disneyland.

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And Disneyland would be like a reference when

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Joel uses it.

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I think what he means is that this

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is a spoiled country.

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There's just every flavor of excess and wealth

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and overindulgence available here.

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I mean, I think somebody told me a

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while ago that like a family of four,

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for a week's vacation in Disney World could

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spend $10,000 like for a week's vacation.

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It just blows me away.

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And yet, like in some ways, that's kind

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of our reality living here in the United

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States is that there's just this overabundance.

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escaping suffering or that like somehow we ought

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to be spared from any kind of suffering

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come from this innate attitude that's embedded in

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us from living in a country with a

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lot of material wealth.

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I've heard this idea expressed at different times

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throughout my Christian journey about God's people being

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spared from any kind of hardship.

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I mean, I've heard it from people that

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have a copy of Martyr's Mirror or Fox's

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Book of Martyrs on their bookshelf.

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And something just seems a little bit off.

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into that this morning.

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This passage on Christ's temptation came to my

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mind.

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Satan preyed on Jesus's weakness in his flesh

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by offering deliverance from his physical hardship.

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sinister twisting of God's truth that leads people

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to believe that we'll always be delivered or

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spared.

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is like, well, assuming that that's not the

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case, what promises do we have concerning suffering?

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I want to turn to another passage in

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Luke chapter 21.

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I'm a little scripture heavy this morning, so

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I'll try to do a good job and

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get through it all.

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Luke chapter 21 verses 5 to 28.

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Let's see what Jesus has to say.

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This is, I wrote down, this is suffering

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according to Jesus.

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Starting in verse 5.

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And as some spake of the temple, how

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it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts,

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he said, as for these things which ye

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behold, the days will come in the which

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there shall not be left one stone upon

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another that shall not be thrown down.

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And they asked him, saying, Master, but when

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shall these things be?

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And what sign will there be when these

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things shall come to pass?

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And he said, take heed that ye be

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not deceived, for many shall come in my

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name, saying, I am Christ.

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And the time draweth near.

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Go ye not therefore after them, but when

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ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be

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not terrified.

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For these things must first come to pass,

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but the end is not by and by.

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Then said he unto them, nation shall rise

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nation and kingdom against kingdom, and great earthquakes

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shall be in diverse places and famines and

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pestilences and fearful sites.

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And great signs shall there be from heaven.

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But before all these, they shall lay their

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hands on you and persecute you, delivering you

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up to the synagogues and into prisons, being

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brought before kings and rulers for my name's

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sake.

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And it shall turn to you for a

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testimony.

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Settle it therefore in your hearts not to

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meditate before what you shall answer.

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For I will give you a mouth and

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wisdom which all your adversaries shall not be

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able to gainsay nor resist.

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And ye shall be betrayed both by parents

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and brethren and kinsfolks and friends.

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And some of you shall they cause to

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be put to death.

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And ye shall be hated of all men

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for my name's sake.

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But there shall not a hair of your

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head perish, for in your patience possess ye

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your souls.

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And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with

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armies, then know that the desolation thereof is

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nigh.

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Then let them which are in Judea flee

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to the mountains, and let them which are

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in the midst of it depart out, and

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let not them that are in the countries

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enter thereinto.

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For these be the days of vengeance, that

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all things which are written may be fulfilled.

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But woe unto them that are with child,

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and to them that give suck in those

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days.

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For there shall be great distress in the

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land and wrath upon this people.

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And they shall fall by the edge of

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the sword and shall be led away captive

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into all nations.

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And Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the

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Gentiles until the time of the Gentiles be

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fulfilled.

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There's a lot about suffering in this passage.

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Jesus tells us that we will stand before

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men to be condemned for the purpose of

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testimony.

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He tells us that he will give us

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wisdom that cannot be refuted.

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He tells us that we will be hated

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for Jesus' namesake.

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He says that our patience will be tested,

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and therein lies your soul.

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He says that we will not be eternally

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harmed.

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He says that women and babies will suffer.

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And he says that men who have this

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knowledge will panic and be incapacitated by fear,

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knowing what is coming.

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I want to hear some more of what

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Jesus had to say in chapter 9, verses

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21 to 26.

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I'm going to actually start in verse 20.

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He said unto them, But whom say you

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that I am?

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Peter answering said, The Christ of God.

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And he straightly charged them and commanded them

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to tell no man that thing, saying, The

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Son of Man must suffer many things and

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be rejected of the elders and chief priests

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and scribes and be slain and be raised

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the third day.

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And he said to them all, If any

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man will come after me, let him deny

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himself and take up his cross daily and

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follow me.

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For whosoever will save his life shall lose

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it, but whosoever will lose his life for

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my sake, the same shall save it.

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For what is a man advantaged if he

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gain the whole world and lose himself or

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be cast away?

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For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and

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of my words, of him shall the Son

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of Man be ashamed when he shall come

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in his own glory and in his father's

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and of the holy angels.

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I picked this verse or this passage.

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I mean, this is in a few of

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the gospels.

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And I picked the one in Luke here

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because he said that we ought to daily

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take up our cross and follow him.

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So there is this element of daily self

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-denial and suffering.

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I want to turn to Jesus' charge to

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his 12 when he was getting ready to

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send his 12 out on their missionary journey.

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He had some advice for them in Matthew

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chapter 10, which is actually very similar to

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things that he says about these latter days.

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Matthew chapter 10 verses 16 to 42.

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That's kind of a long one.

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Here's what he tells his 12 as he's

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getting ready to send them out to go

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preaching the gospel in the different cities.

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Behold, I send you forth as sheep in

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the midst of wolves.

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Be therefore wise as serpents and harmless as

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doves, but beware of men, for they will

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deliver you up to the councils and they

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will scourge you in their synagogues.

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And you shall be brought before governors and

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kings for my sake, for a testimony against

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them and the Gentiles.

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But when they deliver you up, take no

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thought how or what you shall speak, for

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it shall be given you in that same

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hour what you shall speak.

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For it is not you that speak, but

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the spirit of your father, which speaketh in

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you.

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And the brother shall deliver up the brother

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to death and the father, the child and

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the children shall rise up against their parents

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and cause them to be put to death.

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And you shall be hated of all men

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for my name's sake.

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But he that endureth to the end shall

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be saved.

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But when they persecute you in this city,

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flee ye into another.

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For verily I say unto you, ye shall

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not have gone over the cities of Israel

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till the son of man become.

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The disciple is not above his master, nor

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the servant above his Lord.

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It is enough for the disciple that he

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be as his master and the servant as

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his Lord.

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If they have called the master of the

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house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call

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them of his household?

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Fear them not therefore, for there is nothing

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covered that shall not be revealed and hid

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that shall not be known.

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What I tell you in darkness, that speak

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ye in the light.

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And what you hear in the ear, that

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preach ye upon the housetops.

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And fear not them which kill the body,

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but are not able to kill the soul,

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but rather fear him which is able to

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destroy both soul and body in hell.

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Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing?

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And one of them shall not fall on

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the ground without your father.

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But the very hairs of your head are

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all numbered.

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Fear not therefore, ye are of more value

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than many sparrows.

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Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him

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will I confess also before my Father, which

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is in heaven.

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But whosoever shall deny me before men, him

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will I also deny before my Father, which

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is in heaven.

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Think not that I am come to send

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peace on earth.

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I came not to send peace, but a

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sword.

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For I am come to set a man

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at variance against his father, and the daughter

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against her mother, and the daughter-in-law

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against her mother-in-law.

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And a man's foes shall be they of

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his own household.

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He that loveth father or mother more than

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me is not worthy of me.

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And he that loveth son or daughter more

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than me is not worthy of me.

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And he that taketh not his cross and

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followeth after me is not worthy of me.

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He that findeth his life shall lose it,

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and he that loseth his life for my

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sake shall find it.

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He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he

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that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

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He that receiveth a prophet in the name

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of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward,

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and he that receiveth a righteous man in

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the name of a righteous man shall receive

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a righteous man's reward.

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And whosoever shall give to drink unto one

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of these little ones a cup of cold

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water only in the name of a disciple,

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verily I say unto you, he shall in

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no wise lose his reward.

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I just kind of see a pattern.

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I see these ideas echoed, even though these

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are the instructions to the twelve.

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These are ideas that are echoed throughout all

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of Jesus' teachings.

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In Luke 21, when Jesus talks about that

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temple, he talks about a lot of suffering

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happening the world over.

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And I believe that this suffering is not

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something that's exclusive to unbelievers.

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I think the people who are zealous for

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the kingdom of God will suffer right alongside

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the people of this world that are in

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straits, whether it's a pandemic or a drought

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or a famine or a pestilence.

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I don't see anywhere where we're actually spared

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from those things.

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But also, beyond the troubles that are mentioned

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in Luke 21, when Jesus talks about these

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latter days, we're also going to suffer above

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and beyond at the hands of men.

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It's something that's nearly a guarantee.

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And it's just notable that we can expect

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more of the same treatment our Master received,

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especially if we bear his message.

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There are so many passages that talk to

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this, and I'm trying to keep it concise,

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but one I think of for sure is

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in when he says all those who will

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live godly will suffer persecution.

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It's just nearly a guarantee.

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And a noteworthy passage, I guess maybe I

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could just read part of it.

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I don't want time to run away, but

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in Romans 8, everybody's familiar with it, but

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it's just a short little passage.

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I'm just going to skim through it.

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Paul says to the church in Rome, Who

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shall lay anything to the charge of God's

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elect?

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It is God that justifieth.

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Who is he that condemneth?

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It is Christ that died, yea, rather, that

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is risen again.

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Who is even at the right hand of

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God, who also maketh intercession for us?

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Who shall separate us from the love of

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Christ?

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Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine,

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or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

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As it is written, For thy sake we

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are killed all the day long.

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We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.

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Nay, in all these things we are more

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than conquerors through him that loved us.

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For I am persuaded that neither death, nor

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life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor

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things present, nor things to come, nor height,

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nor depth, nor any other creature shall be

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able to separate us from the love of

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God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

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So like, why all the suffering?

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This is like a dismal picture.

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I mean, it's kind of discouraging.

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What's the purpose?

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Why?

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Why all the suffering?

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I mean, this is really, when you think

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about like a lot of messages in mainstream

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Christianity, the focus is really, and there's an

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element to this that's true, but again, it's

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like somehow, somehow the proper balance has been

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disrupted and corrupted, and the whole emphasis is

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on an improved life by switching to an

542
00:25:52,930 --> 00:25:53,850
allegiance in Jesus.

543
00:25:55,410 --> 00:26:00,070
And it's a completely different message.

544
00:26:00,270 --> 00:26:02,530
It's a completely different way to look at

545
00:26:02,530 --> 00:26:04,950
things, and maybe it helps a little bit

546
00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:06,110
to know why.

547
00:26:06,530 --> 00:26:09,410
And in part, I think we find part

548
00:26:09,410 --> 00:26:12,210
of the answer in 1 Peter chapter 2.

549
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:20,070
1 Peter chapter 2, 11 to 25.

550
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:26,020
Dearly beloved, Peter says, I beseech you as

551
00:26:26,020 --> 00:26:29,340
strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which

552
00:26:29,340 --> 00:26:30,420
war against the soul.

553
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,380
Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles, that

554
00:26:34,380 --> 00:26:37,100
whereas they speak evil against you as evildoers,

555
00:26:37,780 --> 00:26:40,320
they may, by your good works, which they

556
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,940
shall behold, glorify God in the day of

557
00:26:42,940 --> 00:26:43,520
visitation.

558
00:26:45,360 --> 00:26:47,100
I would hope that some of that means

559
00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:48,400
that there would be some repentance.

560
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:49,800
I would hope that some people would be

561
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:55,300
won by godly behavior, by righteousness, especially when

562
00:26:55,300 --> 00:26:56,360
you're being slandered.

563
00:26:58,940 --> 00:27:00,480
But that's not what it says here.

564
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,860
It says that they will glorify God in

565
00:27:02,860 --> 00:27:03,760
the day of visitation.

566
00:27:05,340 --> 00:27:08,240
And I think this isn't an idea that's

567
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,460
original with me, but I think some of

568
00:27:10,460 --> 00:27:19,200
that, like, God will receive glory not just

569
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,240
from people who have persevered to the end,

570
00:27:22,300 --> 00:27:25,840
who have gained the crown of life, but

571
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,740
he's also going to receive glory from those

572
00:27:27,740 --> 00:27:32,700
who who lived a life in opposition to

573
00:27:32,700 --> 00:27:38,120
God and confess him even through their punishing.

574
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,280
He receives glory from the sheep and from

575
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,220
the goats, not just from one.

576
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,380
In verse 13, he says, Submit yourselves to

577
00:27:52,380 --> 00:27:54,320
every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake,

578
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,060
whether it be to the king as supreme

579
00:27:56,060 --> 00:27:58,760
or unto governors, as unto them that are

580
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,920
sent by him for the punishment of evildoers

581
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,380
and for the praise of them that do

582
00:28:02,380 --> 00:28:02,720
well.

583
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,420
For so is the will of God that

584
00:28:05,420 --> 00:28:07,200
with well-doing you may put to silence

585
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,840
the ignorance of foolish men as free and

586
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,920
not using your liberty for a cloak of

587
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:12,680
maliciousness.

588
00:28:13,140 --> 00:28:15,660
But as the servants of God, honor all

589
00:28:15,660 --> 00:28:18,480
men, love the brotherhood, fear God, honor the

590
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:18,740
king.

591
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,620
Servants, be subject to your masters with all

592
00:28:21,620 --> 00:28:23,620
fear, not only to the good and gentle,

593
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,920
but also to the forward, for this is

594
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:26,580
thankworthy.

595
00:28:26,940 --> 00:28:29,500
If a man for conscience toward God endure

596
00:28:29,500 --> 00:28:34,480
grief, suffering wrongfully, suffering wrongfully, for what glory

597
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:34,920
is it?

598
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,880
If when you be buffeted for your faults,

599
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,120
you shall take it patiently.

600
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,980
But if when you do well and suffer

601
00:28:41,980 --> 00:28:44,960
for it, you take it patiently.

602
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,900
This is acceptable with God.

603
00:28:47,540 --> 00:28:49,820
For even here unto were ye called because

604
00:28:49,820 --> 00:28:53,040
Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an

605
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:56,200
example that ye should follow his steps.

606
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,320
Who did no sin, neither was guile found

607
00:28:59,320 --> 00:28:59,920
in his mouth.

608
00:29:09,630 --> 00:29:16,430
A righteous response amidst unbelievers will bring glory

609
00:29:16,430 --> 00:29:17,670
to God when he comes again.

610
00:29:18,550 --> 00:29:22,450
And righteous behavior amidst suffering also brings glory

611
00:29:22,450 --> 00:29:22,890
to God.

612
00:29:27,340 --> 00:29:30,000
So part of the reason, part of the

613
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,500
why, is the testimony that it brings to

614
00:29:33,500 --> 00:29:34,380
the rest of the world.

615
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,900
But like, it begs the question, what I

616
00:29:42,900 --> 00:29:44,340
want to get into next is like, well,

617
00:29:44,380 --> 00:29:45,740
what about deliverance?

618
00:29:45,820 --> 00:29:47,220
I mean, this has been pretty one-sided

619
00:29:47,220 --> 00:29:47,860
so far.

620
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,520
I've kind of had a heavy hand on

621
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:57,000
the idea that God will deliver us from

622
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:03,280
our suffering and that actually we're called to

623
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:03,560
suffer.

624
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,340
So does God not deliver his own, as

625
00:30:07,340 --> 00:30:08,560
Satan suggested to Jesus?

626
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,080
And I'd say, sure he does.

627
00:30:12,100 --> 00:30:12,440
Sure.

628
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,280
I mean, just think about some of the

629
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,900
examples that we have, you know, available to

630
00:30:17,900 --> 00:30:21,160
us without even like the testimony of those

631
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,360
in the church, just in the scriptures alone.

632
00:30:27,180 --> 00:30:29,920
Peter was miraculously delivered from prison by the

633
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:30,260
angel.

634
00:30:31,540 --> 00:30:34,220
Paul was spared suffering and death from a

635
00:30:34,220 --> 00:30:34,680
snake bite.

636
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:41,700
Jesus's would-be murderers were frozen as they

637
00:30:41,700 --> 00:30:44,020
were about to throw him headlong off of

638
00:30:44,020 --> 00:30:44,500
a cliff.

639
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,880
He walked through their midst and escaped them.

640
00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:53,080
And I mean, there are so many examples

641
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:53,480
of that.

642
00:30:53,580 --> 00:30:56,640
And even like in personal testimony, I think

643
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,980
everybody has an example of being spared something

644
00:30:58,980 --> 00:30:59,500
terrible.

645
00:31:00,460 --> 00:31:02,420
And so I'm not trying to take away

646
00:31:02,420 --> 00:31:02,760
from that.

647
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,740
I think that it's clear that God works

648
00:31:04,740 --> 00:31:05,820
in some of those ways.

649
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,980
But there's other kinds of deliverance too, that

650
00:31:10,980 --> 00:31:14,000
don't just come from being spared something uncomfortable

651
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,540
or unpleasant or worse.

652
00:31:18,180 --> 00:31:21,680
I think about Joseph suffering, not just hours,

653
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,860
not just days, not just weeks, but for

654
00:31:25,860 --> 00:31:29,200
years as a slave and in prison.

655
00:31:30,780 --> 00:31:32,060
That was God's will.

656
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,460
That was Joseph's testimony is that it was

657
00:31:35,460 --> 00:31:37,220
God's will, and that it was part of

658
00:31:37,220 --> 00:31:39,840
a plan bigger than Joseph to spare Jacob

659
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:41,320
and all of Israel.

660
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:47,240
I think about Stephen, he delivered, he was

661
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:48,840
filled with the Holy Ghost and he delivered

662
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,960
one of the most powerful sermons ever.

663
00:31:53,540 --> 00:31:55,660
And his deliverance came through being stoned to

664
00:31:55,660 --> 00:31:55,900
death.

665
00:32:01,910 --> 00:32:05,210
I just, well, I don't know.

666
00:32:05,550 --> 00:32:07,410
I guess I never really ceased to be

667
00:32:07,410 --> 00:32:11,230
blown away by Paul and the things that

668
00:32:11,230 --> 00:32:12,030
happened to Paul.

669
00:32:12,270 --> 00:32:14,330
I mean, he's got some in both lists.

670
00:32:14,750 --> 00:32:16,310
He's got some in the list where like

671
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:19,930
he was delivered from terrible things and he

672
00:32:19,930 --> 00:32:20,750
didn't have to suffer.

673
00:32:20,930 --> 00:32:23,630
And then he's got these accounts of horrible

674
00:32:23,630 --> 00:32:24,330
suffering.

675
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,400
And I'm going to turn to, I always

676
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,260
think I need to do this with caution,

677
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,620
but in 2 Corinthians 11, he kind of

678
00:32:39,620 --> 00:32:40,760
gives a little rundown.

679
00:32:41,060 --> 00:32:42,560
I think nobody can say it better than

680
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:45,220
Paul himself, of all the things that have

681
00:32:45,220 --> 00:32:46,980
happened to him, just a little list.

682
00:32:46,980 --> 00:32:49,100
And I think it's important not to take

683
00:32:49,100 --> 00:32:51,040
this out of its context, which is that

684
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,480
Paul is telling people not to glory as

685
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,580
men and not to glory in their feats

686
00:32:55,580 --> 00:32:57,700
and their accomplishments and not to glory in

687
00:32:57,700 --> 00:32:58,540
suffering.

688
00:32:59,620 --> 00:33:00,480
In other words, boast.

689
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,520
So it's important to say that he's putting

690
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,660
these people, he's trying to put these people

691
00:33:06,660 --> 00:33:09,160
in their right place by telling them not

692
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,160
to be boastful and not to be proud.

693
00:33:11,580 --> 00:33:13,280
It is not a list of bragging.

694
00:33:15,100 --> 00:33:16,880
I just feel like to read this, it's

695
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,420
important to put that in context.

696
00:33:23,890 --> 00:33:26,730
I'm going to read chapter 11, verse 23

697
00:33:26,730 --> 00:33:28,270
through chapter 12, verse 1.

698
00:33:36,700 --> 00:33:37,520
I'm in the wrong chapter.

699
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:49,120
Let's see.

700
00:33:52,010 --> 00:33:53,430
Are they ministers of Christ?

701
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:54,610
I speak as a fool.

702
00:33:54,990 --> 00:33:57,290
I am more, in labors more abundant, in

703
00:33:57,290 --> 00:33:59,890
stripes above measure, in prisons more frequent, in

704
00:33:59,890 --> 00:34:00,610
deaths oft.

705
00:34:01,290 --> 00:34:03,830
Of the Jews, five times received I forty

706
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:05,150
stripes, save one.

707
00:34:05,950 --> 00:34:07,370
I think that might just about kill a

708
00:34:07,370 --> 00:34:11,650
man, you know, to be lashed forty times,

709
00:34:12,070 --> 00:34:12,949
thirty-nine times.

710
00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:15,469
Thrice was I beaten with rods, once was

711
00:34:15,469 --> 00:34:16,030
I stoned.

712
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:18,929
Thrice I suffered shipwreck.

713
00:34:19,130 --> 00:34:20,730
A night and a day I have been

714
00:34:20,730 --> 00:34:21,210
in the deep.

715
00:34:21,810 --> 00:34:24,210
In journeyings often, in perils of waters, in

716
00:34:24,210 --> 00:34:26,670
perils of robbers, in perils by mine own

717
00:34:26,670 --> 00:34:29,570
countrymen, in perils by the heathen, in perils

718
00:34:29,570 --> 00:34:31,530
in the city, in perils in the wilderness,

719
00:34:31,770 --> 00:34:33,630
in perils in the sea, in perils among

720
00:34:33,630 --> 00:34:37,449
false brethren, in weariness and painfulness, in watchings

721
00:34:37,449 --> 00:34:40,190
often, in hunger and thirst, in fastings often,

722
00:34:40,290 --> 00:34:43,230
in cold and nakedness, beside those things that

723
00:34:43,230 --> 00:34:45,929
are without, that which cometh upon me daily,

724
00:34:46,590 --> 00:34:47,929
the care of all the churches.

725
00:34:52,780 --> 00:34:53,679
I don't know.

726
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,840
Who is weak, and I am not weak?

727
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:01,420
Who is offended, and I burn not?

728
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,560
For if I must needs glory, I will

729
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,920
glory of the things which concern mine infirmities.

730
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,160
I'll just stop there.

731
00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:13,840
I'm also blown away, I mean, any of

732
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,320
these things in here, like I have this

733
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:24,810
thought, I mean, yeah, just about Paul, the

734
00:35:24,810 --> 00:35:28,910
one where he was stoned outside of, where

735
00:35:30,670 --> 00:35:33,090
he was stoned outside of Lystra, I think,

736
00:35:33,170 --> 00:35:34,870
and then he was dragged out of the,

737
00:35:34,970 --> 00:35:36,370
no, he was stoned in Lystra, and then

738
00:35:36,370 --> 00:35:37,770
he was dragged out of the city and

739
00:35:37,770 --> 00:35:38,630
walked to Derby.

740
00:35:39,410 --> 00:35:44,360
Like, they didn't just throw a few rocks

741
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,220
to, you know, shake him up a little

742
00:35:47,220 --> 00:35:47,420
bit.

743
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,280
Like, it was attempted murder, and maybe they

744
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:52,120
were even successful.

745
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,260
I mean, maybe he was really killed, you

746
00:35:54,260 --> 00:35:58,360
know, but somehow, I mean, I just, I

747
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,040
always have this picture of like, okay, you

748
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:02,260
know, like he's been dragged out of the

749
00:36:02,260 --> 00:36:03,980
city, he's done, I guess it's time to

750
00:36:03,980 --> 00:36:05,360
take care of him, and like, and he

751
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,420
like, he gets up and like dusts himself

752
00:36:08,420 --> 00:36:11,100
off and goes into the next city to

753
00:36:11,100 --> 00:36:12,220
preach some more.

754
00:36:12,700 --> 00:36:14,700
I just can't relate to that.

755
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:23,330
It's just this, I mean, if I receive

756
00:36:23,330 --> 00:36:26,150
scorn of somebody for sharing a truth of

757
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:29,770
the scriptures, like, it hurts.

758
00:36:30,170 --> 00:36:31,890
Like, but he received the ultimate scorn.

759
00:36:31,970 --> 00:36:34,150
They're like, not only do we not agree

760
00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:36,870
with what you're saying, and we're gonna kill

761
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:37,510
you for it.

762
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:39,410
And then he got up and like went

763
00:36:39,410 --> 00:36:40,230
to tell more people.

764
00:36:40,910 --> 00:36:42,410
I'm just blown away by that.

765
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:46,070
I was thinking about all of these things,

766
00:36:46,210 --> 00:36:48,330
and I guess there's one thing in particular

767
00:36:48,330 --> 00:36:50,010
about Paul I just want to read because

768
00:36:50,010 --> 00:36:52,970
I think it's relevant in the vision to,

769
00:36:53,070 --> 00:36:58,800
I think it was Ananias, Acts chapter 9

770
00:37:06,980 --> 00:37:08,380
verses 10 to 16.

771
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:12,730
Okay, so Paul is blind.

772
00:37:13,470 --> 00:37:16,590
He's still Saul at this point, and the

773
00:37:16,590 --> 00:37:18,810
Lord's got a message for Ananias.

774
00:37:19,630 --> 00:37:22,570
And there was a certain disciple at Damascus

775
00:37:22,570 --> 00:37:25,310
named Ananias, and to him said the Lord

776
00:37:25,310 --> 00:37:26,910
in a vision, Ananias.

777
00:37:27,250 --> 00:37:28,970
And he said, behold, I am here, Lord.

778
00:37:29,410 --> 00:37:31,450
And the Lord said unto him, arise and

779
00:37:31,450 --> 00:37:33,250
go into the street which is called straight,

780
00:37:33,570 --> 00:37:36,130
and inquire in the house of Judas for

781
00:37:36,130 --> 00:37:37,510
one called Saul of Tarsus.

782
00:37:37,650 --> 00:37:38,830
For behold, he prayeth.

783
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:41,030
And he hath seen in a vision a

784
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:43,050
man named Ananias coming in and putting his

785
00:37:43,050 --> 00:37:45,070
hand on him that he might receive his

786
00:37:45,070 --> 00:37:45,350
sight.

787
00:37:45,770 --> 00:37:48,930
Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard many,

788
00:37:49,350 --> 00:37:51,010
I have heard by many of this man

789
00:37:51,010 --> 00:37:52,890
how much evil he hath done to thy

790
00:37:52,890 --> 00:37:53,770
saints of Jerusalem.

791
00:37:54,870 --> 00:37:57,090
And here he hath authority from the chief

792
00:37:57,090 --> 00:37:58,810
priests to bind all that call on the

793
00:37:58,810 --> 00:37:59,090
name.

794
00:37:59,090 --> 00:38:01,430
But the Lord said unto him, go thy

795
00:38:01,430 --> 00:38:03,770
way, for he is a chosen vessel unto

796
00:38:03,770 --> 00:38:06,110
me to bear my name before the Gentiles

797
00:38:06,110 --> 00:38:08,250
and kings and the children of Israel.

798
00:38:08,570 --> 00:38:11,210
For I will show him how great things

799
00:38:11,210 --> 00:38:12,870
he must suffer for my name's sake.

800
00:38:14,610 --> 00:38:17,870
That was, these sufferings that I've been talking

801
00:38:17,870 --> 00:38:20,990
about with Paul were a part of God's

802
00:38:20,990 --> 00:38:22,750
will for his ministry and for the way

803
00:38:22,750 --> 00:38:23,910
that he was going to reach people.

804
00:38:26,930 --> 00:38:29,090
And I've just in all of these examples,

805
00:38:29,230 --> 00:38:31,110
like I tried to think of one, because

806
00:38:31,110 --> 00:38:33,710
like the scripture is a story, it's a

807
00:38:33,710 --> 00:38:36,230
story of people's suffering and how they dealt

808
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:39,110
with it and how they turned to God.

809
00:38:39,390 --> 00:38:41,470
And there are just so many stories that

810
00:38:41,470 --> 00:38:44,230
you could touch or turn to, to try

811
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:49,860
to explain the subject of suffering.

812
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,420
And the one that just really struck me

813
00:38:51,420 --> 00:38:56,750
was one of Jesus himself.

814
00:38:58,230 --> 00:39:00,370
And somebody who suffered right next to him

815
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,920
in Luke 23 verses 26 to 49.

816
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:14,800
I'll just start reading.

817
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,060
And as they led him away, they laid

818
00:39:18,060 --> 00:39:21,600
hold upon one Simon and a Cyrenian coming

819
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,420
out of the country and on him, they

820
00:39:23,420 --> 00:39:25,300
laid the cross that he might bear it

821
00:39:25,300 --> 00:39:25,980
after Jesus.

822
00:39:26,860 --> 00:39:29,000
And there followed him a great company of

823
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,440
people and of women, which also bewailed and

824
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:32,160
lamented him.

825
00:39:32,500 --> 00:39:34,640
But Jesus turning unto them said, daughters of

826
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,040
Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for

827
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:38,480
yourselves and for your children.

828
00:39:39,660 --> 00:39:42,100
For behold, the days are coming in the

829
00:39:42,100 --> 00:39:44,320
which they shall say, blessed are the barren

830
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,260
and the wombs that never bear in the

831
00:39:47,260 --> 00:39:48,560
paps, which never gave suck.

832
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:51,580
Then shall they begin to say to the

833
00:39:51,580 --> 00:39:53,300
mountains fall on us and to the hills

834
00:39:53,300 --> 00:39:56,020
cover us for if they do these things

835
00:39:56,020 --> 00:39:58,720
in a green tree, what shall be done

836
00:39:58,720 --> 00:39:59,440
in the dry.

837
00:40:00,660 --> 00:40:03,100
And there were also with, there were also

838
00:40:03,100 --> 00:40:05,520
two others male factors led with him to

839
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:06,180
be put to death.

840
00:40:06,720 --> 00:40:08,320
And when they were come to the place,

841
00:40:08,740 --> 00:40:12,280
which is called Calvary, there they crucified him

842
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,080
in the male factors, one on the right

843
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:15,380
hand and the other on the left.

844
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,180
Then said Jesus, father, forgive them for they

845
00:40:18,180 --> 00:40:19,300
know not what they do.

846
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,700
And they parted his raiment and cast lots.

847
00:40:22,660 --> 00:40:24,340
And the people stood beholding.

848
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,000
And the rulers also with them derided him

849
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,480
saying he saved others.

850
00:40:29,340 --> 00:40:30,440
Let him save himself.

851
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,780
If he be Christ, the chosen of God.

852
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,400
And the soldiers also mocked him coming to

853
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,580
him and offering him vinegar and saying, if

854
00:40:37,580 --> 00:40:39,120
thou be the king of the Jews, save

855
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:39,680
thyself.

856
00:40:40,060 --> 00:40:42,220
And a superscription also was written over him

857
00:40:42,220 --> 00:40:44,140
in letters of Greek and Latin and Hebrew.

858
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:45,660
This is the king of the Jews.

859
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,180
And one of the male factors, which were

860
00:40:48,180 --> 00:40:50,260
hanged, railed on him saying, if thou be

861
00:40:50,260 --> 00:40:51,840
Christ, save thyself and us.

862
00:40:52,500 --> 00:40:54,820
But the other answering rebuked him saying, dost

863
00:40:54,820 --> 00:40:57,200
not thou fear God seeing thou art in

864
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,240
the same condemnation and we indeed justly, for

865
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:02,560
we receive the due reward of our deeds.

866
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,900
But this man has done nothing amiss.

867
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,940
And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me

868
00:41:07,940 --> 00:41:09,660
when thou comest into thy kingdom.

869
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,020
And Jesus said unto him, verily, I say

870
00:41:12,020 --> 00:41:14,240
unto thee today, shalt thou be with me

871
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:14,760
in paradise.

872
00:41:16,300 --> 00:41:18,180
And it was about the sixth hour and

873
00:41:18,180 --> 00:41:19,900
there was a darkness over all the earth

874
00:41:19,900 --> 00:41:20,880
until the ninth hour.

875
00:41:21,420 --> 00:41:23,100
And the sun was darkened and the veil

876
00:41:23,100 --> 00:41:24,620
of the temple was rent in the midst.

877
00:41:25,100 --> 00:41:27,200
And when Jesus had cried with a loud

878
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,460
voice, he said, Father, into thy hands, I

879
00:41:29,460 --> 00:41:30,340
commend my spirit.

880
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:32,480
And having said thus, he gave up the

881
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:32,780
ghost.

882
00:41:39,720 --> 00:41:40,980
It's an incredible story.

883
00:41:47,750 --> 00:41:50,010
Jesus told the women who were following after

884
00:41:50,010 --> 00:41:52,690
him and wailing that there would be suffering

885
00:41:52,690 --> 00:41:53,170
to come.

886
00:41:56,860 --> 00:42:02,100
And as he was, I just think like,

887
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,860
if we have the premise that God is

888
00:42:05,860 --> 00:42:08,660
always going to deliver us from suffering, if

889
00:42:08,660 --> 00:42:11,460
we just call on his name, that his

890
00:42:11,460 --> 00:42:13,160
will is always to save us from something,

891
00:42:13,620 --> 00:42:17,400
then we would have to believe that when

892
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,480
this man turned to Jesus and said, remember

893
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,500
me when you come into your kingdom, that

894
00:42:21,500 --> 00:42:24,540
he would have walked off the cross and

895
00:42:24,540 --> 00:42:26,800
been spared anything.

896
00:42:29,150 --> 00:42:29,850
I don't know.

897
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:32,750
I want to hear your thoughts too on

898
00:42:32,750 --> 00:42:32,930
this.

899
00:42:33,090 --> 00:42:34,730
But like when Jesus turned to him and

900
00:42:34,730 --> 00:42:39,550
he says, verily, I say unto you today,

901
00:42:41,730 --> 00:42:43,470
you will be with me in paradise.

902
00:42:45,810 --> 00:42:50,770
Like there's no offer there from the trial

903
00:42:50,770 --> 00:42:52,470
at hand of deliverance.

904
00:42:53,710 --> 00:42:57,130
Deliverance, even though Jesus doesn't say this or

905
00:42:57,130 --> 00:43:00,980
say it this way, he tells the man

906
00:43:00,980 --> 00:43:01,920
where they're going to meet again.

907
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:07,180
But the deliverance is going to come through

908
00:43:07,180 --> 00:43:08,360
suffering and through death.

909
00:43:14,340 --> 00:43:15,760
And then they die together.

910
00:43:26,940 --> 00:43:32,220
It took that suffering of Jesus to be

911
00:43:32,220 --> 00:43:34,780
able to say to that man that together

912
00:43:34,780 --> 00:43:36,660
they'd be in paradise that day.

913
00:43:39,980 --> 00:43:45,040
Because had he not suffered, he wouldn't have

914
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:45,840
said that to the man.

915
00:43:58,780 --> 00:44:01,700
I wanted to shift to something before I

916
00:44:01,700 --> 00:44:03,740
go into, because I think it's important.

917
00:44:04,100 --> 00:44:06,260
Like this all has a point, and there's

918
00:44:06,260 --> 00:44:08,280
something that we do have, and it's in

919
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,240
this story that we just read.

920
00:44:12,740 --> 00:44:17,340
I read an article this last week, and

921
00:44:17,340 --> 00:44:19,360
I found it kind of disturbing.

922
00:44:24,260 --> 00:44:29,960
It's from 2019, and it's about black vultures.

923
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:31,460
There's a vulture.

924
00:44:33,380 --> 00:44:35,140
They're the turkey vultures, which are big, and

925
00:44:35,140 --> 00:44:36,120
they're pretty harmless.

926
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:36,760
They're docile.

927
00:44:36,940 --> 00:44:38,200
They're good for the ecosystem.

928
00:44:39,060 --> 00:44:40,240
Black vultures are good too.

929
00:44:40,300 --> 00:44:41,300
They're not as big.

930
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,880
They're about five pounds, and their wingspan is

931
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:45,780
about five feet.

932
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,540
They've been pressing up higher into the U

933
00:44:49,540 --> 00:44:50,660
.S. than they used to be.

934
00:44:50,820 --> 00:44:52,040
They're now into southern Indiana.

935
00:44:52,700 --> 00:44:55,200
They used to range from South America up

936
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:56,820
to the southern states, and now they're up

937
00:44:56,820 --> 00:44:58,360
into Indiana today.

938
00:45:02,860 --> 00:45:06,140
What's unique about the black vulture is that

939
00:45:06,140 --> 00:45:08,380
they're more aggressive.

940
00:45:10,660 --> 00:45:13,400
I learned something too in reading about this,

941
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,760
and that's that vultures know where carcasses are,

942
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,720
even above a tree canopy, because they have

943
00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:21,860
a very keen sense of smell, and they

944
00:45:21,860 --> 00:45:24,880
can smell when an animal has died.

945
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,140
It gives off a kind of a gas

946
00:45:27,140 --> 00:45:30,080
that they're designed to pick up on, and

947
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,360
so these black vultures...

948
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:36,020
Turkey vultures are more solitary animals, and they

949
00:45:36,020 --> 00:45:38,260
always are looking for something that's dead.

950
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,920
However, a black vulture kind of relies on

951
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,840
other vultures to smell for them, because they

952
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:48,400
don't have that keen sense of smell that

953
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,380
a turkey vulture has, or like a king

954
00:45:51,380 --> 00:45:51,700
vulture.

955
00:45:52,540 --> 00:45:54,880
So sometimes they can be seen following those.

956
00:45:55,820 --> 00:45:59,300
Rather than being solitary, a black vulture will

957
00:45:59,300 --> 00:46:03,840
actually feed in flocks.

958
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,460
Sometimes I think I've put some of the

959
00:46:06,460 --> 00:46:08,440
accounts I've read set up to 60 birds

960
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,500
at a time, and they will actually drive

961
00:46:10,500 --> 00:46:12,040
off other vultures.

962
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,140
But one thing about the black vulture is

963
00:46:17,140 --> 00:46:21,060
that if they get hungry, they'll go after

964
00:46:21,060 --> 00:46:21,700
live meat.

965
00:46:24,390 --> 00:46:26,890
There's been a big problem among cattle farmers

966
00:46:26,890 --> 00:46:31,990
in Kentucky and Indiana, especially where this story

967
00:46:31,990 --> 00:46:38,210
came from was Indiana, and they'll target animals

968
00:46:38,210 --> 00:46:38,910
that are vulnerable.

969
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:42,230
And I just want you to hear, there's

970
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:45,950
one farmer in here, and he explains how

971
00:46:45,950 --> 00:46:46,580
they do it.

972
00:46:52,260 --> 00:46:55,920
These birds are incredibly intelligent, these vultures are.

973
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,280
And so they've kind of got, like when

974
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,500
they develop a taste for something that's alive

975
00:47:00,500 --> 00:47:10,340
still, they're very strategic in how they

976
00:47:10,340 --> 00:47:11,400
bring down an animal.

977
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,800
Now remember, they're about five, it's about a

978
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:14,680
five-pound bird.

979
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,760
Here's what this man says, I'm just going

980
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:19,500
to read his account.

981
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,840
Lawson said he's noticed more vultures since 2009

982
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,000
when he thinks they started nesting near Fox

983
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,040
Hollow Farm.

984
00:47:26,900 --> 00:47:30,080
He plans his year around the predatory habits

985
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,520
of the vultures, which circle the skies and

986
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:33,940
wait of anything dead or vulnerable.

987
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,060
He remembers one eerie morning that he saw

988
00:47:37,060 --> 00:47:39,300
a flock of 60 vultures perched on adjacent

989
00:47:39,300 --> 00:47:41,260
gates in one of his fields.

990
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,160
He mainly worries about them during calving season

991
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,360
when they like to feast on easy marks.

992
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,440
His 2019 calving season opened with him topping

993
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,520
a hill and seeing six vultures pecking a

994
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:53,200
calf to death.

995
00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:56,600
Here's what he says, they like to play

996
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:57,820
with the newborns, he said.

997
00:47:58,000 --> 00:47:59,780
They'll hop around and get the calf comfortable

998
00:47:59,780 --> 00:48:01,740
with them before they peck out their eyes.

999
00:48:02,380 --> 00:48:04,240
Then they can't see, he said, so they

1000
00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:04,880
take them over.

1001
00:48:05,500 --> 00:48:07,560
The whole process from the playful taunt to

1002
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,580
the complete skinning doesn't take long at all,

1003
00:48:09,660 --> 00:48:09,980
he added.

1004
00:48:10,500 --> 00:48:12,560
Depending on the size, it may only take

1005
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:13,040
minutes.

1006
00:48:13,340 --> 00:48:14,940
They're very efficient at what they do.

1007
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,220
Lawson said Fox Hollow hasn't lost any full

1008
00:48:18,220 --> 00:48:19,900
-grown cows to the vultures, but the birds

1009
00:48:19,900 --> 00:48:22,440
have taken down full-grown ewes while in

1010
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,440
labor when both the mother and its baby

1011
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:25,040
are vulnerable.

1012
00:48:25,940 --> 00:48:27,900
He remembers finding a ewe once that had

1013
00:48:27,900 --> 00:48:29,620
been in process of giving birth when she

1014
00:48:29,620 --> 00:48:30,180
was attacked.

1015
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,020
A full-grown ewe weighs between 160 and

1016
00:48:33,020 --> 00:48:33,960
180 pounds.

1017
00:48:36,190 --> 00:48:36,870
That's all.

1018
00:48:39,940 --> 00:48:46,210
Uh, I just, I mean, I, that bothers

1019
00:48:46,210 --> 00:48:46,530
me.

1020
00:48:46,970 --> 00:48:51,990
That account is like, it's uh, it bothers

1021
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:55,250
me, but I think like we get this

1022
00:48:55,250 --> 00:48:58,270
idea about the adversary, about Satan, that like

1023
00:48:58,270 --> 00:49:02,250
he's only interested in, in the spiritually dead

1024
00:49:02,250 --> 00:49:04,470
and wreaking havoc among them, you know.

1025
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:08,630
But, but it's not true, like he's, he's

1026
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:11,410
also got a taste for, for something live

1027
00:49:11,410 --> 00:49:12,350
and something fresh.

1028
00:49:13,010 --> 00:49:15,170
And if, and if he sensed vulnerability, he'll,

1029
00:49:15,250 --> 00:49:16,350
he'll pounce on it.

1030
00:49:17,170 --> 00:49:20,930
And I think that like, I mean, I

1031
00:49:20,930 --> 00:49:23,270
was especially thinking about this method where like,

1032
00:49:24,310 --> 00:49:26,750
these vultures, I think Satan operates a lot

1033
00:49:26,750 --> 00:49:27,330
like them.

1034
00:49:27,570 --> 00:49:30,930
You know, they, they taunt an innocent newborn

1035
00:49:30,930 --> 00:49:33,930
calf, get it comfortable with them, and then

1036
00:49:33,930 --> 00:49:36,630
they attack it, pecking out its eyes.

1037
00:49:36,910 --> 00:49:38,590
And when it's blind, that's when they really,

1038
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:40,430
that's when they really go after the thing

1039
00:49:40,430 --> 00:49:41,130
and bring it down.

1040
00:49:42,070 --> 00:49:46,330
And, and, and sometimes I think like when

1041
00:49:46,330 --> 00:49:49,350
we have real dogmatic ideas, they can get

1042
00:49:49,350 --> 00:49:50,730
us into uncomfortable corners.

1043
00:49:51,450 --> 00:49:54,150
Like saying that God always delivers us from

1044
00:49:54,150 --> 00:49:54,570
trouble.

1045
00:49:55,870 --> 00:49:59,230
Uh, it's not necessarily consistent with the scriptures.

1046
00:50:02,050 --> 00:50:04,890
Uh, sometimes deliverance comes through other forms like

1047
00:50:04,890 --> 00:50:06,750
time, perseverance, or even death.

1048
00:50:07,230 --> 00:50:09,630
And so if we are expecting deliverance from

1049
00:50:09,630 --> 00:50:12,390
a problem, if we're expecting, and I'm not

1050
00:50:12,390 --> 00:50:14,410
saying it's wrong to pray for that, I

1051
00:50:14,410 --> 00:50:15,110
think that's good.

1052
00:50:15,830 --> 00:50:16,730
I think we should.

1053
00:50:17,010 --> 00:50:19,510
But if we're expecting like a deliverance from

1054
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:25,290
any discomfort or any suffering at all, uh,

1055
00:50:25,610 --> 00:50:28,930
and that's not what happens, we can kind

1056
00:50:28,930 --> 00:50:30,310
of be like those poor calves.

1057
00:50:31,170 --> 00:50:34,130
Um, you know, we feel injured or betrayed

1058
00:50:34,130 --> 00:50:36,170
by God because we know that like He's

1059
00:50:36,170 --> 00:50:38,390
somebody who does bring deliverance and He does,

1060
00:50:38,970 --> 00:50:40,570
He cares about suffering.

1061
00:50:40,670 --> 00:50:43,310
It says that He knows, like I read

1062
00:50:43,310 --> 00:50:45,770
a while ago, that like He, He takes

1063
00:50:45,770 --> 00:50:47,530
note when even a sparrow falls to the

1064
00:50:47,530 --> 00:50:47,730
ground.

1065
00:50:47,930 --> 00:50:49,550
So aren't we much more value than a

1066
00:50:49,550 --> 00:50:49,910
sparrow?

1067
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:56,460
And if we, if it doesn't work that

1068
00:50:56,460 --> 00:50:58,320
way for us, if we have to suffer

1069
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:04,990
through something, we can, we can miss God's

1070
00:51:04,990 --> 00:51:06,970
will for us and even become blind to

1071
00:51:06,970 --> 00:51:09,190
what the scripture is actually saying about suffering.

1072
00:51:10,030 --> 00:51:12,310
Then we'll doubt God and become vulnerable to

1073
00:51:12,310 --> 00:51:13,550
the adversary's attacks.

1074
00:51:15,470 --> 00:51:18,050
Uh, I mean, I just thought I'd share

1075
00:51:18,050 --> 00:51:23,340
like, another one is, is like one of

1076
00:51:23,340 --> 00:51:26,140
these dogmatic ideas, not necessarily about suffering, but

1077
00:51:26,140 --> 00:51:28,240
just to help, help understand like what I'm

1078
00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:29,700
trying to say is about faith.

1079
00:51:30,020 --> 00:51:32,900
Like, and I've, there's, I've seen this, you

1080
00:51:32,900 --> 00:51:34,980
know, in some circles, this idea and kind

1081
00:51:34,980 --> 00:51:35,800
of the fruits of it.

1082
00:51:36,180 --> 00:51:40,280
Um, but I saw like a plaque that

1083
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,200
you can hang on the wall and it

1084
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:47,440
just like, it just so like concisely and

1085
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,500
clearly puts forth this, this dogmatic idea that

1086
00:51:50,500 --> 00:51:52,160
I think gets people in a tight corner.

1087
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:55,560
And it's this, faith isn't believing God can,

1088
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:57,660
it's knowing he already has.

1089
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:05,960
Um, and so like one personal story, like

1090
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,020
when we had my first daughter, um, my

1091
00:52:09,020 --> 00:52:11,240
wife had this condition called placenta previa.

1092
00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:14,620
And, uh, and that means that, that the

1093
00:52:14,620 --> 00:52:16,840
placenta is in the way the baby can't,

1094
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,740
can't get out because of where the placenta

1095
00:52:19,740 --> 00:52:21,020
attached to the uterine wall.

1096
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,200
And so it's an automatic surgery.

1097
00:52:23,820 --> 00:52:27,980
Um, but we were, I mean, we were

1098
00:52:27,980 --> 00:52:28,720
really disappointed.

1099
00:52:28,860 --> 00:52:30,760
We wanted to have a natural birth.

1100
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:32,840
And so we prayed hard.

1101
00:52:33,180 --> 00:52:37,520
We prayed fervently for this, for this placenta

1102
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,240
to move away, which is a possibility.

1103
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,220
And, um, the doctor humored us.

1104
00:52:42,300 --> 00:52:44,060
I mean, even up to like, we had

1105
00:52:44,060 --> 00:52:47,200
to schedule the, the cesarean, the surgery to

1106
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:48,320
get, to get the baby.

1107
00:52:48,740 --> 00:52:52,400
And, and the day of we, we had

1108
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,680
the doctor bring an ultrasound machine into the

1109
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:59,180
room, even though like scientifically and, and probably

1110
00:52:59,180 --> 00:53:01,800
speaking, you know, like by, by how things

1111
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,300
have progressed, it was impossible that this placenta

1112
00:53:04,300 --> 00:53:04,960
would be moved.

1113
00:53:04,980 --> 00:53:07,320
But we were, we were like, God's going

1114
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:08,280
to do this for us.

1115
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:09,320
He just is.

1116
00:53:10,620 --> 00:53:12,660
And so we, we had the ultrasound and

1117
00:53:12,660 --> 00:53:14,420
there it was, it was in the way.

1118
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:16,640
And we had to go ahead with surgery.

1119
00:53:17,140 --> 00:53:18,940
And it just, it was like a season

1120
00:53:18,940 --> 00:53:21,860
of really struggling with like, well, what went

1121
00:53:21,860 --> 00:53:22,220
wrong?

1122
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:22,820
What happened?

1123
00:53:22,940 --> 00:53:24,860
Like, why didn't, why didn't God do that

1124
00:53:24,860 --> 00:53:25,300
for us?

1125
00:53:25,380 --> 00:53:30,120
And, um, it's one of those corners we

1126
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:33,800
can get backed into when, when we, when

1127
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,800
we just only have like a partial truth

1128
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,960
or not, not the full truth about what

1129
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,460
something is and how it should be.

1130
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:43,900
There was another, like, and I find this

1131
00:53:43,900 --> 00:53:46,580
even more grievous, but like a friend of

1132
00:53:46,580 --> 00:53:49,800
ours had a parent who died and, uh,

1133
00:53:51,420 --> 00:53:52,920
and, and she would be in more like

1134
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:54,540
a, you know, it'd be like more of

1135
00:53:54,540 --> 00:53:56,600
a Pentecostal persuasion for lack of a better

1136
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:56,920
term.

1137
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:58,600
And that's, and a lot of this idea

1138
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,360
comes out of that about faith, you know,

1139
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:03,300
like faith is, isn't believing God can, but

1140
00:54:03,300 --> 00:54:04,840
it's knowing that he already has.

1141
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:08,120
And, and so like, that's where a lot

1142
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,040
of the claimant comes from, you know, and

1143
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:11,340
name it and claim it circles.

1144
00:54:11,420 --> 00:54:14,060
It's like, listen, like we all agree that

1145
00:54:14,060 --> 00:54:15,100
this person is healed.

1146
00:54:15,340 --> 00:54:16,180
They are healed.

1147
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:17,640
We're going to talk about it like they're

1148
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:17,940
healed.

1149
00:54:18,140 --> 00:54:22,240
And if they're not healed, it's because somebody

1150
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:23,100
here didn't believe.

1151
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,760
And so this, this person carried with them

1152
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:32,760
for years, the idea that, that their mother

1153
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,340
had died because they didn't have the faith

1154
00:54:35,340 --> 00:54:36,360
to heal the cancer.

1155
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:45,280
And I mean, how, how, how easily can

1156
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,760
the enemy, can the adversary take something like

1157
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,020
that and just use it to, to really

1158
00:54:50,020 --> 00:54:52,640
divide you and create a wedge between you

1159
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:53,620
and, and God?

1160
00:54:58,160 --> 00:54:59,680
And I think, and I think that if

1161
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,740
we don't understand suffering properly, if we don't

1162
00:55:01,740 --> 00:55:03,560
understand that it's something that we will face,

1163
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:05,220
that we will have to go through, and

1164
00:55:05,220 --> 00:55:06,560
that that even can be the will of

1165
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,060
God, I think it can put us in

1166
00:55:08,060 --> 00:55:09,040
a similar predicament.

1167
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,120
It's a pretty bleak picture so far.

1168
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:12,620
So I just wanted to move into something

1169
00:55:12,620 --> 00:55:14,180
a little bit more positive and talk about

1170
00:55:14,180 --> 00:55:16,460
like, what, what do we have?

1171
00:55:19,210 --> 00:55:21,070
What kind of a promise do we have

1172
00:55:21,070 --> 00:55:24,390
to cope with, with some of these grievous

1173
00:55:24,390 --> 00:55:24,930
things?

1174
00:55:26,130 --> 00:55:32,190
John 14 and verses 15 to 27 says

1175
00:55:32,190 --> 00:55:35,070
this, if you love me, keep my commandments,

1176
00:55:35,590 --> 00:55:36,990
and I will pray the father and he

1177
00:55:36,990 --> 00:55:39,930
shall give you another comforter that he may

1178
00:55:39,930 --> 00:55:41,330
abide with you forever.

1179
00:55:41,870 --> 00:55:43,650
Even the spirit of truth, whom the world

1180
00:55:43,650 --> 00:55:47,190
cannot receive because it seeth him not, neither

1181
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:49,390
knoweth him, but you know him for he

1182
00:55:49,390 --> 00:55:51,350
dwelleth with you and shall be in you.

1183
00:55:52,170 --> 00:55:53,770
I will not leave you comfortless.

1184
00:55:54,050 --> 00:55:56,190
I will come to you yet a little

1185
00:55:56,190 --> 00:55:58,330
while and the world seeth me no more.

1186
00:55:58,850 --> 00:56:01,070
But ye see me because I live, ye

1187
00:56:01,070 --> 00:56:01,870
shall live also.

1188
00:56:02,850 --> 00:56:04,650
At that day, you shall know that I

1189
00:56:04,650 --> 00:56:06,390
am in my father and ye in me

1190
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:07,170
and I in you.

1191
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:10,130
He that hath my commandments and keepeth them,

1192
00:56:10,290 --> 00:56:12,250
he it is that loveth me and he

1193
00:56:12,250 --> 00:56:14,650
that loveth me shall be loved of my

1194
00:56:14,650 --> 00:56:17,510
father and I will love him and will

1195
00:56:17,510 --> 00:56:18,890
manifest myself to him.

1196
00:56:19,770 --> 00:56:23,850
Judas said unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how

1197
00:56:23,850 --> 00:56:26,070
is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto

1198
00:56:26,070 --> 00:56:27,390
us and not unto the world?

1199
00:56:27,930 --> 00:56:29,530
Jesus answered and said unto him, if a

1200
00:56:29,530 --> 00:56:31,250
man loved me, he will keep my words

1201
00:56:31,250 --> 00:56:33,310
and my father will love him and we

1202
00:56:33,310 --> 00:56:35,250
will come unto him and make our abode

1203
00:56:35,250 --> 00:56:36,030
with him.

1204
00:56:37,110 --> 00:56:39,010
He that loveth me not keepeth not my

1205
00:56:39,010 --> 00:56:40,810
sayings and the word which he hear is

1206
00:56:40,810 --> 00:56:43,150
not mine, but the father's which sent me.

1207
00:56:44,170 --> 00:56:48,770
These things have I spoken unto you, being

1208
00:56:48,770 --> 00:56:52,750
yet present with you.

1209
00:56:52,970 --> 00:56:54,950
But the comforter, which is the Holy Ghost,

1210
00:56:55,050 --> 00:56:56,710
whom the father will send in my name,

1211
00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:58,950
he shall teach you all things and bring

1212
00:56:58,950 --> 00:57:01,890
all things to your remembrance whatsoever I have

1213
00:57:01,890 --> 00:57:02,670
said unto you.

1214
00:57:03,150 --> 00:57:05,550
Peace I leave with you, my peace I

1215
00:57:05,550 --> 00:57:07,110
give unto you.

1216
00:57:07,210 --> 00:57:08,930
Not as the world giveth, give I unto

1217
00:57:08,930 --> 00:57:09,270
you.

1218
00:57:09,650 --> 00:57:11,450
Let not your heart be troubled, neither let

1219
00:57:11,450 --> 00:57:12,050
it be afraid.

1220
00:57:14,420 --> 00:57:22,610
Jesus does promise us the comforter, the Holy

1221
00:57:22,610 --> 00:57:22,990
Ghost.

1222
00:57:26,530 --> 00:57:31,050
It's a promise we have.

1223
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:35,530
And like the story of the thief on

1224
00:57:35,530 --> 00:57:40,180
the cross, like Jesus went through that with

1225
00:57:40,180 --> 00:57:43,160
that man in the physical, but his promise

1226
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,340
is to go through all of these challenges

1227
00:57:45,340 --> 00:57:46,440
with us in the spiritual.

1228
00:57:48,260 --> 00:57:51,380
Like his presence with us is a promise

1229
00:57:51,380 --> 00:57:54,520
that we have to face these challenges, to

1230
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:55,420
face these things.

1231
00:57:58,120 --> 00:57:59,920
Just a short one in the very end

1232
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:01,740
of Matthew, the Great Commission.

1233
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:13,580
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying,

1234
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,400
All power is given unto me in heaven

1235
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:16,000
and in earth.

1236
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,720
Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing

1237
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,040
them in the name of the Father and

1238
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:21,420
of the Son and of the Holy Ghost,

1239
00:58:21,660 --> 00:58:23,960
teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I

1240
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:24,660
have commanded you.

1241
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:26,880
And lo, I am with you always, even

1242
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:27,820
unto the end of the world.

1243
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:28,800
Amen.

1244
00:58:35,130 --> 00:58:37,430
I just want to wrap up my thoughts

1245
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:37,650
here.

1246
00:58:40,300 --> 00:58:44,720
I don't believe it's sound to say either

1247
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,080
that we will be spared all suffering or

1248
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:48,240
that we will only suffer.

1249
00:58:52,300 --> 00:58:55,700
I think God operates through his saints both

1250
00:58:55,700 --> 00:58:56,060
ways.

1251
00:58:58,830 --> 00:59:00,610
One thing is sure, and that is that

1252
00:59:00,610 --> 00:59:02,330
suffering will come in one form or another.

1253
00:59:02,950 --> 00:59:04,890
And we will suffer alongside the rest of

1254
00:59:04,890 --> 00:59:05,270
the world.

1255
00:59:05,770 --> 00:59:08,010
So we have a decision when those things

1256
00:59:08,010 --> 00:59:08,810
happen to us.

1257
00:59:09,550 --> 00:59:13,410
We can choose to be dismayed and slip

1258
00:59:13,410 --> 00:59:15,990
into discouragement and be a prime target for

1259
00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:19,570
Satan, or we can take it patiently and

1260
00:59:19,570 --> 00:59:21,230
we can know that Jesus is with us

1261
00:59:21,230 --> 00:59:23,570
and that he takes note and special care

1262
00:59:23,570 --> 00:59:24,230
of our suffering.

1263
00:59:25,250 --> 00:59:26,950
That will bring glory to God.

1264
00:59:27,730 --> 00:59:31,270
And I just wanted to, part of Jesus's

1265
00:59:31,270 --> 00:59:36,330
message to the church at Laodicea to close.

1266
00:59:41,940 --> 00:59:43,460
I guess his message to the church at

1267
00:59:43,460 --> 00:59:44,040
Laodicea.

1268
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,240
Angel of the church of the Laodiceans write,

1269
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:50,980
these things saith the amen, the faithful and

1270
00:59:50,980 --> 00:59:53,640
true witness, the beginning of the creation of

1271
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:53,980
God.

1272
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:56,140
I know thy works that thou art neither

1273
00:59:56,140 --> 00:59:56,960
cold nor hot.

1274
00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:59,260
I would thou work cold or hot.

1275
01:00:00,460 --> 01:00:02,680
So then because thou art lukewarm and neither

1276
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:04,460
cold nor hot, I will spew thee out

1277
01:00:04,460 --> 01:00:06,500
of my mouth, because thou sayest, I am

1278
01:00:06,500 --> 01:00:09,200
rich and increased with goods and have need

1279
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:09,760
of nothing.

1280
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,460
And knowest not that thou art wretched and

1281
01:00:12,460 --> 01:00:14,440
miserable and poor and blind and naked.

1282
01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:16,700
I counsel thee to buy of me gold

1283
01:00:16,700 --> 01:00:18,920
tried in the fire, that thou mayest be

1284
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:21,180
rich and white raiment, that thou mayest be

1285
01:00:21,180 --> 01:00:24,420
clothed and that the shame of thy nakedness

1286
01:00:24,420 --> 01:00:26,740
do not appear and anoint thine eyes with

1287
01:00:26,740 --> 01:00:29,140
thyself that thou mayest see.

1288
01:00:29,740 --> 01:00:32,420
And as many as I love, I rebuke

1289
01:00:32,420 --> 01:00:35,340
and chasten, be zealous therefore and repent.

1290
01:00:35,880 --> 01:00:37,560
Behold, I stand at the door and knock.

1291
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:39,760
If any man hear my voice and open

1292
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:41,900
the door, I will come into him and

1293
01:00:41,900 --> 01:00:43,600
will sup with him and he with me.

1294
01:00:44,220 --> 01:00:46,060
To him that overcometh will I grant to

1295
01:00:46,060 --> 01:00:48,700
sit with me in my throne, even as

1296
01:00:48,700 --> 01:00:51,500
I also overcame and am set down with

1297
01:00:51,500 --> 01:00:52,700
my father in his throne.

1298
01:00:53,500 --> 01:00:54,820
He that hath an ear to hear, let

1299
01:00:54,820 --> 01:00:56,340
him hear what the Spirit saith unto the

1300
01:00:56,340 --> 01:00:56,700
churches."

1301
01:00:58,420 --> 01:01:00,820
I just find those last few verses especially

1302
01:01:00,820 --> 01:01:01,360
encouraging.

1303
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,640
That's not to push a message at all

1304
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:16,300
of experiential salvation or to discredit somebody with

1305
01:01:16,300 --> 01:01:17,520
an experience in salvation.

1306
01:01:17,780 --> 01:01:24,700
It's just an assurance of Jesus' willingness to

1307
01:01:24,700 --> 01:01:28,820
commune with and sup with anybody who chooses

1308
01:01:28,820 --> 01:01:29,580
to follow him.

1309
01:01:30,220 --> 01:01:31,780
I find that encouraging.

1310
01:01:33,300 --> 01:01:36,440
God bless you all and I'm really glad

1311
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:36,900
to be here.

1312
01:01:38,260 --> 01:01:40,460
Thank you brothers for sharing.

1313
01:01:41,780 --> 01:01:45,700
Not sure that I have any great ideas

1314
01:01:45,700 --> 01:01:50,960
or I agree with the idea that we

1315
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,020
will suffer persecution.

1316
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:59,400
I also had the thought that I'm thankful

1317
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,520
I don't have to choose what that is.

1318
01:02:02,620 --> 01:02:04,780
I guess we all often think how we

1319
01:02:04,780 --> 01:02:05,360
might die.

1320
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,760
It's comforting to me to know that I

1321
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:11,920
don't have to decide that.

1322
01:02:13,140 --> 01:02:15,260
I think maybe suffering would be the same,

1323
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:18,780
but there is something that we can do.

1324
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:25,100
There's this one thought I had when Leroy

1325
01:02:25,100 --> 01:02:26,100
was sharing.

1326
01:02:31,090 --> 01:02:35,190
Combined with the thought of the church that

1327
01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:38,410
did all these good things, but they had

1328
01:02:38,410 --> 01:02:39,550
lost their first love.

1329
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:44,400
I have often pondered about that.

1330
01:02:45,380 --> 01:02:48,140
I don't know if I shared this thought.

1331
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:49,380
I think it's my own thought.

1332
01:02:49,380 --> 01:03:02,170
But it seems to me

1333
01:03:02,170 --> 01:03:05,730
like that first love or that there's something

1334
01:03:05,730 --> 01:03:12,650
in us where we sell out to God.

1335
01:03:14,830 --> 01:03:16,850
We're going to go the whole way.

1336
01:03:17,790 --> 01:03:19,130
We're going to forsake all.

1337
01:03:20,770 --> 01:03:23,030
We're going to allow Christ to teach us.

1338
01:03:23,250 --> 01:03:25,050
We're going to allow Him to lead us.

1339
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:32,540
When we make a decision that it's based

1340
01:03:32,540 --> 01:03:41,020
upon truth or it's based upon what Jesus

1341
01:03:41,020 --> 01:03:45,440
taught us instead of our feelings or things

1342
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:46,120
we've heard.

1343
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:50,900
We lay down our lives for that.

1344
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:52,400
We forsake all for that.

1345
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:56,820
I just tend to think this is what

1346
01:03:56,820 --> 01:03:57,740
happened to that church.

1347
01:03:57,960 --> 01:03:59,400
They did good things.

1348
01:03:59,500 --> 01:04:00,300
They did right things.

1349
01:04:00,380 --> 01:04:01,300
They started off right.

1350
01:04:02,860 --> 01:04:05,180
We know this in looking at history of

1351
01:04:05,180 --> 01:04:07,780
churches, how churches fall away.

1352
01:04:10,060 --> 01:04:15,180
Instead of making their decision based on the

1353
01:04:15,180 --> 01:04:17,620
truth, they make their decisions based on other

1354
01:04:17,620 --> 01:04:18,060
things.

1355
01:04:19,980 --> 01:04:22,280
I'm not sure what all examples.

1356
01:04:22,980 --> 01:04:25,840
Maybe just like the church where I came

1357
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:27,960
from, I grew up in.

1358
01:04:29,860 --> 01:04:35,760
Technically, they taught the right things, but I

1359
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:37,840
don't think they were making decisions based on

1360
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:39,280
conviction of the heart.

1361
01:04:39,820 --> 01:04:45,520
Their decisions were not made anymore on what

1362
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:48,120
Jesus taught, but rather what they had been

1363
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:48,400
doing.

1364
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:51,440
I'm not sure if it's an exact parallel,

1365
01:04:51,700 --> 01:04:55,080
but I think there's something similar about it.

1366
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:58,840
This is something we should never lose, is

1367
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:06,880
to continue walking in that way of basing

1368
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:10,220
our decisions on truth and righteousness and holiness

1369
01:05:10,220 --> 01:05:14,540
of Christ and walking in His will.

1370
01:05:16,620 --> 01:05:18,360
Anyways, it's been encouraging.

1371
01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:20,980
I thank you and I'm thankful to be

1372
01:05:20,980 --> 01:05:21,300
here.

1373
01:05:22,060 --> 01:05:23,400
May God bless us all.

1374
01:05:30,450 --> 01:05:32,270
Yeah, I'm thankful to be here too.

1375
01:05:32,870 --> 01:05:35,830
I guess you kind of covered some of

1376
01:05:35,830 --> 01:05:37,970
my thoughts there, Walter, and some of that

1377
01:05:37,970 --> 01:05:42,530
was based on a comment by Duane, just

1378
01:05:42,530 --> 01:05:47,370
how that church just had all these good

1379
01:05:47,370 --> 01:05:47,890
things.

1380
01:05:48,270 --> 01:05:51,830
I just appreciate bringing that to the attention.

1381
01:05:54,990 --> 01:05:56,450
They couldn't tolerate evil people.

1382
01:05:56,690 --> 01:06:01,190
They wouldn't put up with false people, things

1383
01:06:01,190 --> 01:06:01,630
like that.

1384
01:06:01,710 --> 01:06:03,050
I wonder if some of that has to

1385
01:06:03,050 --> 01:06:06,550
do with a commitment that surely all of

1386
01:06:06,550 --> 01:06:08,150
us have made, or surely these people have

1387
01:06:08,150 --> 01:06:11,590
made, and they weren't quite willing to continue

1388
01:06:11,590 --> 01:06:12,250
with that.

1389
01:06:12,490 --> 01:06:15,730
If we committed ourselves to follow the Lord,

1390
01:06:17,030 --> 01:06:19,370
and who here could say that we knew

1391
01:06:19,370 --> 01:06:21,210
exactly what that all would entail?

1392
01:06:23,210 --> 01:06:25,190
All of us probably have faith things that

1393
01:06:25,190 --> 01:06:28,190
we didn't know about whenever we did this

1394
01:06:28,190 --> 01:06:33,030
thing, this acceptance of the true faith and

1395
01:06:33,030 --> 01:06:35,350
this walk that we saw that we need

1396
01:06:35,350 --> 01:06:37,910
to do, and we set out to do

1397
01:06:37,910 --> 01:06:38,110
it.

1398
01:06:39,670 --> 01:06:42,310
We say, yes, Lord, we're going to do

1399
01:06:42,310 --> 01:06:46,270
it, but then maybe years later something comes

1400
01:06:46,270 --> 01:06:48,870
up unexpectedly that we say, no, Lord.

1401
01:06:49,370 --> 01:06:51,030
It seems like maybe that would be the

1402
01:06:51,030 --> 01:06:55,750
big offense to God or to His kingdom

1403
01:06:55,750 --> 01:07:01,870
that makes that scripture there that you read,

1404
01:07:02,030 --> 01:07:03,570
Duane, so weighty.

1405
01:07:04,770 --> 01:07:07,830
I just want to take that to heart

1406
01:07:07,830 --> 01:07:10,530
and ponder on it more.

1407
01:07:12,770 --> 01:07:16,390
I appreciate the message, Max.

1408
01:07:16,490 --> 01:07:20,030
I just really thought I could follow along.

1409
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:24,940
Maybe there was one certain point I want

1410
01:07:24,940 --> 01:07:25,940
to think about some more.

1411
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,080
Not anything you said, but just a certain

1412
01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:38,880
scripture about the ungodly glorifying God.

1413
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:41,380
I haven't really looked at that much.

1414
01:07:44,020 --> 01:07:48,900
There's just a lot about suffering that I

1415
01:07:48,900 --> 01:07:49,700
don't understand.

1416
01:07:53,210 --> 01:07:55,650
I think maybe it's more and more clear,

1417
01:07:55,930 --> 01:07:58,730
but I think it's just bad if we

1418
01:07:58,730 --> 01:08:03,250
go about life looking for just the fleshly

1419
01:08:03,250 --> 01:08:04,890
good things, and then if they don't quite

1420
01:08:04,890 --> 01:08:08,570
happen, then that affects our mood and our

1421
01:08:08,570 --> 01:08:11,370
emotions and things.

1422
01:08:11,550 --> 01:08:12,770
That's just not good.

1423
01:08:14,550 --> 01:08:16,090
Part of the fruit of the Spirit is

1424
01:08:16,090 --> 01:08:20,350
to be tempered, and it's just something you

1425
01:08:20,350 --> 01:08:20,910
need to work on.

1426
01:08:24,670 --> 01:08:25,450
That's all.

1427
01:08:25,510 --> 01:08:26,990
I just really appreciate being here.

1428
01:08:29,609 --> 01:08:31,210
Greetings in the name of Jesus.

1429
01:08:31,569 --> 01:08:34,569
Thank you, Brother Leroy and Max, for your

1430
01:08:34,569 --> 01:08:35,270
labors there.

1431
01:08:36,270 --> 01:08:38,350
I just wanted to read a couple verses

1432
01:08:38,350 --> 01:08:39,130
here.

1433
01:08:41,490 --> 01:08:46,330
1 Peter 4, verse 1 says, For as

1434
01:08:46,330 --> 01:08:49,410
much then as Christ hath suffered for us

1435
01:08:49,410 --> 01:08:52,790
in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the

1436
01:08:52,790 --> 01:08:53,550
same mind.

1437
01:08:55,830 --> 01:09:00,590
And also, in John 15, Jesus said, Remember

1438
01:09:00,590 --> 01:09:02,970
the word that I said unto you, the

1439
01:09:02,970 --> 01:09:04,870
servant is not greater than his Lord.

1440
01:09:05,569 --> 01:09:08,210
If they have persecuted me, they will also

1441
01:09:08,210 --> 01:09:09,189
persecute you.

1442
01:09:09,670 --> 01:09:12,029
If they have kept my saying, they'll keep

1443
01:09:12,029 --> 01:09:12,670
yours also.

1444
01:09:13,569 --> 01:09:15,710
So it shouldn't be any surprise if we

1445
01:09:15,710 --> 01:09:19,229
should expect certain persecution at some point in

1446
01:09:19,229 --> 01:09:19,890
our lives.

1447
01:09:20,609 --> 01:09:24,170
Like you said, not all will be persecuted,

1448
01:09:25,330 --> 01:09:30,450
but as the Church as a whole, the

1449
01:09:30,450 --> 01:09:33,350
Church of God will be persecuted at some

1450
01:09:33,350 --> 01:09:34,170
points of time.

1451
01:09:35,170 --> 01:09:36,649
But thank you.

1452
01:09:37,210 --> 01:09:37,910
Lord bless you.

1453
01:09:40,270 --> 01:09:41,370
Amen, Brother Max.

1454
01:09:41,430 --> 01:09:43,029
There's so many good points that I had

1455
01:09:43,029 --> 01:09:43,710
to comment on.

1456
01:09:44,229 --> 01:09:46,290
Like Leroy's, it's a great exhortation.

1457
01:09:47,050 --> 01:09:50,890
Like Brother Walter said, well, basically paraphrasing what

1458
01:09:50,890 --> 01:09:53,850
Walter said about counting the cost.

1459
01:09:54,210 --> 01:09:56,170
It's something we count the cost.

1460
01:09:56,670 --> 01:10:02,270
We should before we accept that the Lord

1461
01:10:02,270 --> 01:10:02,970
is our Lord.

1462
01:10:05,590 --> 01:10:09,930
Going back to why we're suffering, like Paul

1463
01:10:09,930 --> 01:10:11,410
could have said when he won 2 Corinthians

1464
01:10:11,410 --> 01:10:15,830
11, Paul could have said, this thorn in

1465
01:10:15,830 --> 01:10:17,970
the flesh, whatever that is.

1466
01:10:18,090 --> 01:10:18,950
I don't know what the thorn in the

1467
01:10:18,950 --> 01:10:20,890
flesh is, but I think it's eyesight.

1468
01:10:21,170 --> 01:10:22,630
But the thorn in the flesh, why?

1469
01:10:23,750 --> 01:10:25,630
His response was obvious.

1470
01:10:25,630 --> 01:10:27,270
I mean, not obvious, but it's what we

1471
01:10:27,270 --> 01:10:27,590
have.

1472
01:10:28,030 --> 01:10:30,630
My grace is sufficient for you, for Paul.

1473
01:10:30,810 --> 01:10:32,390
And so his grace is sufficient.

1474
01:10:33,470 --> 01:10:35,770
I know in John's gospel, it says, say,

1475
01:10:36,450 --> 01:10:38,370
these Greeks came up to Philip and then

1476
01:10:38,370 --> 01:10:39,490
they went up to, who's the other Greek?

1477
01:10:39,610 --> 01:10:44,770
Philip and could have been Daniel or Thomas.

1478
01:10:44,950 --> 01:10:46,130
And so we like to see Jesus.

1479
01:10:46,650 --> 01:10:50,850
And Jesus's response was, uh, unless a grain

1480
01:10:50,850 --> 01:10:52,950
of wheat falls into the ground, it cannot

1481
01:10:52,950 --> 01:10:54,030
be a fruit.

1482
01:10:54,230 --> 01:10:57,450
So playing Jeopardy, or what's the question they

1483
01:10:57,450 --> 01:11:00,390
must've said, or not the question, but what

1484
01:11:00,390 --> 01:11:01,950
was the, uh, brain teaser?

1485
01:11:02,050 --> 01:11:06,050
What was the, what was the, what was

1486
01:11:06,050 --> 01:11:08,830
the, uh, suggestion that these Greeks wanted to

1487
01:11:08,830 --> 01:11:12,330
ask Jesus was probably, we, we can, we

1488
01:11:12,330 --> 01:11:14,090
can, uh, we can protect you.

1489
01:11:14,130 --> 01:11:14,990
We'll give you refuge.

1490
01:11:14,990 --> 01:11:16,250
We'll take you away with us.

1491
01:11:16,930 --> 01:11:18,350
You know, and we know they're about to

1492
01:11:18,350 --> 01:11:20,750
destroy you and kill you, but we'll, we

1493
01:11:20,750 --> 01:11:23,050
get power, we get money, just get away

1494
01:11:23,050 --> 01:11:23,950
from these, these Jews.

1495
01:11:24,290 --> 01:11:26,350
We'll, we'll give you, we'll give you help.

1496
01:11:26,670 --> 01:11:29,170
And his response was no, unless a grain

1497
01:11:29,170 --> 01:11:30,770
of wheat falls in the ground.

1498
01:11:30,910 --> 01:11:34,790
And so, um, uh, yeah, the, the way

1499
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:35,390
up is down.

1500
01:11:35,530 --> 01:11:38,290
Humility is, is, is, is, is the way

1501
01:11:38,290 --> 01:11:39,170
it's not tried.

1502
01:11:39,330 --> 01:11:41,110
And, uh, one of the Psalms, I thought

1503
01:11:41,110 --> 01:11:44,490
of Psalm 73, it says, uh, the wicked,

1504
01:11:44,750 --> 01:11:49,310
they have, they have no anti, uh, anti

1505
01:11:49,310 --> 01:11:51,210
prosperity claimant gospel.

1506
01:11:51,410 --> 01:11:54,230
The wicked, they have no, uh, pains in

1507
01:11:54,230 --> 01:11:54,750
their death.

1508
01:11:54,830 --> 01:11:57,670
They lived their whole life, whatever, without ever

1509
01:11:57,670 --> 01:12:00,410
having to go to the doctor and it's

1510
01:12:00,410 --> 01:12:01,930
rich in prosperity.

1511
01:12:02,150 --> 01:12:05,270
But, but the Psalmist says in a moment

1512
01:12:05,270 --> 01:12:08,270
how they are utterly destroyed, they're cast down.

1513
01:12:08,950 --> 01:12:11,070
And so the suffering is, uh, the wicked

1514
01:12:11,070 --> 01:12:11,950
of Psalm 73.

1515
01:12:12,110 --> 01:12:12,670
I thought of that.

1516
01:12:13,150 --> 01:12:14,470
Justin Martyr said, we do have a debt

1517
01:12:14,470 --> 01:12:15,610
to pay everyone.

1518
01:12:15,870 --> 01:12:16,630
We're all going to die.

1519
01:12:16,890 --> 01:12:18,250
Every one of us is going to die.

1520
01:12:18,450 --> 01:12:22,730
Why not die the way helping the poor,

1521
01:12:22,790 --> 01:12:25,390
uh, telling about the gospel and do those

1522
01:12:25,390 --> 01:12:25,590
things.

1523
01:12:25,670 --> 01:12:27,790
I've been meeting Justin Martyr lately and that

1524
01:12:27,790 --> 01:12:28,810
we all have a debt to pay.

1525
01:12:28,850 --> 01:12:30,410
Why don't we do it in following in

1526
01:12:30,410 --> 01:12:31,330
the footsteps of the Lord.

1527
01:12:31,610 --> 01:12:32,930
And one point you could have, if you

1528
01:12:32,930 --> 01:12:34,750
kept on going further, I know it would

1529
01:12:34,750 --> 01:12:38,470
be, uh, at the beginning, uh, the, uh,

1530
01:12:39,850 --> 01:12:40,950
the Sermon on the Mount.

1531
01:12:41,190 --> 01:12:43,610
And Jesus said, blessed are the poor in

1532
01:12:43,610 --> 01:12:43,850
spirit.

1533
01:12:43,930 --> 01:12:45,170
And he builds up and he said, blessed

1534
01:12:45,170 --> 01:12:47,910
are those who persecute you and blessed are

1535
01:12:47,910 --> 01:12:48,890
those who revile you.

1536
01:12:48,970 --> 01:12:50,270
And that's counting the cost.

1537
01:12:50,770 --> 01:12:52,110
And, uh, they don't want to hear that

1538
01:12:52,110 --> 01:12:52,470
today.

1539
01:12:52,670 --> 01:12:53,790
It's, I mean, it's sad.

1540
01:12:53,890 --> 01:12:54,490
We pray for them.

1541
01:12:55,130 --> 01:12:55,430
They want it.

1542
01:12:55,570 --> 01:12:56,710
And you had all those excellent points.

1543
01:12:56,790 --> 01:12:57,490
The Lord be magnified.

1544
01:13:28,940 --> 01:13:35,280
Jesus knows our strength and weakness.

1545
01:13:35,780 --> 01:13:42,500
Understand we are but friends.