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There's a verse there that staggers me, and

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it says what?

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It says they did by faith subdued kingdoms,

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wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the vows of

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lions, and then one verse says not accepting

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deliverance.

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What does it mean?

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I'd rather die than fail Christ.

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You can't imagine it, can you?

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There's a woman standing over there feeding a

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baby, and the judge says to her, look,

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listen preacher, you take three grains of incense

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to that, at the feet of Caesar, and

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all you do is say Caesar is Lord,

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you can go back to your darling wife

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and precious baby, if not, those lions are

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going to release them, the next thing you'll

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find a lion chewing your baby up, another

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one tearing the breasts off your wife.

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Do you love your wife?

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You tell me you're going to love a

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God you can't see, to the wife, and

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he stands there and watches it?

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We've forgotten all about that.

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There's a book called Fair Sunshine, it's about

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the young men that were put to death

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in Scotland until 1665, and if you read

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them waving their hands and saying have three

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more days before I see the King in

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his beauty, you see what our generation of

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preachers have managed to do, we've failed to

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make sin diabolical, we've failed to make sin

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offensive, and we've failed to make sin attractive,

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Christ attractive.

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You know the only time you can sing

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the hymn of Wesley, thou O Christ art

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all I want, the only time you can

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say Christ is all I need, is when

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Christ is all you have.

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We're propped up with everything, our refrigerators are

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full, I don't have many clothes, but I

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have at least, I have two suits at

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least, and I have at least two pair

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of shoes, I'm only one preacher's place, you

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have 35 sportscoats, and 25 pairs of shoes,

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in nearly as many books.

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Does the devil care what we have?

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All he's worried about is that you catch

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fire, and then your church catches fire, and

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the other thing, let me say this, I've

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gone round a bit I know, but I've

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got to get wound up and say what

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I want to say.

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You see the great revivals of Methodism were

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not in buildings, they were in the streets.

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The Salvation Army set England on fire, wow,

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not by buildings.

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The Bishop of Gloucester said don't ever let

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John Wesley or Charles Wesley in any of

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our churches.

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They were both certified men of impeccable morality,

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scholars, read the Hebrew and Greek, don't let

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them in the churches, and don't let that

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man George Whitfield in the church at all.

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Tell me who was the bishop at that

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time?

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Nobody knows, don't care a hill of beans,

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but we know the men that got kicked

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out.

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You know some of you guys, if you're

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faithful you'll be kicked out, at least that's

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my prayer.

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I pray you all get fired for being

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fired, but God's going to do it.

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Don't lose sight of that with all I've

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rambled on.

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You see God used the same material before,

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they were flesh and blood, many of them

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were fallible.

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Paul was saying this morning some of them

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made great mistakes, but God looks on the

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heart, and they were able to see great

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movings of the Spirit of God.

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America is harder today than she's ever been.

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We've no vocabulary anymore.

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Nobody commits adultery now, they just have an

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affair.

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There's no fornication, it's premarital sex.

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Nobody's messing with spiritism, it's just channeling.

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We've taken the sting out of all the

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words, we don't talk about hell.

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We've got to get back to biblical theology,

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unless we've got to do the essential thing.

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Jesus says, I if I be lifted up,

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we're not preaching Christ, we're preaching drugs, we're

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preaching abortion, we're preaching crime, we're not preaching

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Christ.

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Our fathers, I've been reading very much lately

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again the well part of the apostolic fathers,

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and the men up in the the Puritans,

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and the other people in that area, how

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they exalted Christ.

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It was Christ first, Christ last.

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You see, we've lost sight of the majesty

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and holiness of God.

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We don't tip toe out of the sanctuary

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subdued by God's almightiness, and power, and mercy.

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It's just a ritual, it's a formality.

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People know where we're going to start, how

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we're going to start.

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But let's go back to the main issue

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again.

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The main issue, the church can vibrate.

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Boy, if I live within a hundred miles

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of this place, I'll be here every, I'll

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be here every week at least once to

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pray with these guys.

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I wouldn't pray in the day when it's

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coming to my nine o'clock till three

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in the morning.

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And see how men would come, they'll come.

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There's nothing more attractive on this earth than

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fire.

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Whether it's physical or spiritual, fire is the

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most attractive.

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Our God is a consuming fire.

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And the only answer to hell fire is

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Holy Ghost fire.

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Brother Leonard, let me ask you another question,

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and you make interviews very easy.

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This is my third question now.

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What do you believe is the greatest hindrance

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to genuine revival in the church here in

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the West?

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The number one hindrance to revival in America

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is evangelism.

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We made it easy for people to come

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forward and say a little prayer and go

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out.

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Stop them and ask, ask, you ask teenagers

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in your church.

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Number one, are you saved?

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Yes.

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From what?

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Oh, from hell.

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Are you saved from lust?

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Are you saved from pride?

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They don't know.

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Talk about the witness of the Spirit that

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John Wesley preached on more than anything else.

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They don't know what you're talking about.

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They've seen blessed assurance and they've no assurance.

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The hindrance, number one, is we've made it

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so easy for people to come forward.

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They go out at the door.

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I watched some recently.

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They had to get out of the door.

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They were lighting cigarettes.

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They weren't going home and of anguish.

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Do you not, dear, what's his name again,

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Spurgeon said when he was 15 he was

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under conviction of sin for weeks and weeks

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and weeks.

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He couldn't sleep, he couldn't eat.

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When do you get conviction like that?

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Dear God, our people, they're a bit upset

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in a meeting, they go out, they go

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back to sin, they go back and sit

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before TV till midnight.

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There's no concern.

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There has to come an awakening in the

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church to the peril.

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Those loved ones of yours at the end

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of the table, they don't go to church.

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No, they're going to hell.

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Why don't you say it?

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My boy's a good boy, he's quarterback, who

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cares a hell of beans, he's quarterback, a

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fullback, any other back.

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Where are your children?

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What's your ambition for your boy?

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I have three boys, two of them, two

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of the best preachers in America today.

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The other one's the head of the new

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section in that multimillion dollar, what do you

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call it now?

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Smithsonian Museum.

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And these boys, they've got prayer lives, two

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of them have got tremendous prayer lives, and

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they're my joy.

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I would be totally unhappy if they were

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anything else.

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They'd never be millionaires, they'd never be rich.

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But they know God, they're laying up treasure

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in heaven.

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And our young people, you see, it's not

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a case of getting the family, getting the

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Bible back in the schools, get the Bible

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back in your home.

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We were talking, I was talking to your

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brother Bill here about, what's his name now,

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Duncan Campbell.

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I spent many hours in prayer with Duncan

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Campbell.

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He used to pray and weep and groan.

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The amazing thing, Bill, I don't know, he

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never had revival except when he preached in

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Gaelic.

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I remember the first day of World War

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I, it was the fourth of August, my

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cousin went to the army, he came back

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crippled.

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I remember the first day of World War

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II, I was to preach at the head

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church of Nazarene Saturday night.

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In the afternoon I went to a mission.