There's a verse there that staggers me, and
it says what?
It says they did by faith subdued kingdoms,
wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the vows of
lions, and then one verse says not accepting
deliverance.
What does it mean?
I'd rather die than fail Christ.
You can't imagine it, can you?
There's a woman standing over there feeding a
baby, and the judge says to her, look,
listen preacher, you take three grains of incense
to that, at the feet of Caesar, and
all you do is say Caesar is Lord,
you can go back to your darling wife
and precious baby, if not, those lions are
going to release them, the next thing you'll
find a lion chewing your baby up, another
one tearing the breasts off your wife.
Do you love your wife?
You tell me you're going to love a
God you can't see, to the wife, and
he stands there and watches it?
We've forgotten all about that.
There's a book called Fair Sunshine, it's about
the young men that were put to death
in Scotland until 1665, and if you read
them waving their hands and saying have three
more days before I see the King in
his beauty, you see what our generation of
preachers have managed to do, we've failed to
make sin diabolical, we've failed to make sin
offensive, and we've failed to make sin attractive,
Christ attractive.
You know the only time you can sing
the hymn of Wesley, thou O Christ art
all I want, the only time you can
say Christ is all I need, is when
Christ is all you have.
We're propped up with everything, our refrigerators are
full, I don't have many clothes, but I
have at least, I have two suits at
least, and I have at least two pair
of shoes, I'm only one preacher's place, you
have 35 sportscoats, and 25 pairs of shoes,
in nearly as many books.
Does the devil care what we have?
All he's worried about is that you catch
fire, and then your church catches fire, and
the other thing, let me say this, I've
gone round a bit I know, but I've
got to get wound up and say what
I want to say.
You see the great revivals of Methodism were
not in buildings, they were in the streets.
The Salvation Army set England on fire, wow,
not by buildings.
The Bishop of Gloucester said don't ever let
John Wesley or Charles Wesley in any of
our churches.
They were both certified men of impeccable morality,
scholars, read the Hebrew and Greek, don't let
them in the churches, and don't let that
man George Whitfield in the church at all.
Tell me who was the bishop at that
time?
Nobody knows, don't care a hill of beans,
but we know the men that got kicked
out.
You know some of you guys, if you're
faithful you'll be kicked out, at least that's
my prayer.
I pray you all get fired for being
fired, but God's going to do it.
Don't lose sight of that with all I've
rambled on.
You see God used the same material before,
they were flesh and blood, many of them
were fallible.
Paul was saying this morning some of them
made great mistakes, but God looks on the
heart, and they were able to see great
movings of the Spirit of God.
America is harder today than she's ever been.
We've no vocabulary anymore.
Nobody commits adultery now, they just have an
affair.
There's no fornication, it's premarital sex.
Nobody's messing with spiritism, it's just channeling.
We've taken the sting out of all the
words, we don't talk about hell.
We've got to get back to biblical theology,
unless we've got to do the essential thing.
Jesus says, I if I be lifted up,
we're not preaching Christ, we're preaching drugs, we're
preaching abortion, we're preaching crime, we're not preaching
Christ.
Our fathers, I've been reading very much lately
again the well part of the apostolic fathers,
and the men up in the the Puritans,
and the other people in that area, how
they exalted Christ.
It was Christ first, Christ last.
You see, we've lost sight of the majesty
and holiness of God.
We don't tip toe out of the sanctuary
subdued by God's almightiness, and power, and mercy.
It's just a ritual, it's a formality.
People know where we're going to start, how
we're going to start.
But let's go back to the main issue
again.
The main issue, the church can vibrate.
Boy, if I live within a hundred miles
of this place, I'll be here every, I'll
be here every week at least once to
pray with these guys.
I wouldn't pray in the day when it's
coming to my nine o'clock till three
in the morning.
And see how men would come, they'll come.
There's nothing more attractive on this earth than
fire.
Whether it's physical or spiritual, fire is the
most attractive.
Our God is a consuming fire.
And the only answer to hell fire is
Holy Ghost fire.
Brother Leonard, let me ask you another question,
and you make interviews very easy.
This is my third question now.
What do you believe is the greatest hindrance
to genuine revival in the church here in
the West?
The number one hindrance to revival in America
is evangelism.
We made it easy for people to come
forward and say a little prayer and go
out.
Stop them and ask, ask, you ask teenagers
in your church.
Number one, are you saved?
Yes.
From what?
Oh, from hell.
Are you saved from lust?
Are you saved from pride?
They don't know.
Talk about the witness of the Spirit that
John Wesley preached on more than anything else.
They don't know what you're talking about.
They've seen blessed assurance and they've no assurance.
The hindrance, number one, is we've made it
so easy for people to come forward.
They go out at the door.
I watched some recently.
They had to get out of the door.
They were lighting cigarettes.
They weren't going home and of anguish.
Do you not, dear, what's his name again,
Spurgeon said when he was 15 he was
under conviction of sin for weeks and weeks
and weeks.
He couldn't sleep, he couldn't eat.
When do you get conviction like that?
Dear God, our people, they're a bit upset
in a meeting, they go out, they go
back to sin, they go back and sit
before TV till midnight.
There's no concern.
There has to come an awakening in the
church to the peril.
Those loved ones of yours at the end
of the table, they don't go to church.
No, they're going to hell.
Why don't you say it?
My boy's a good boy, he's quarterback, who
cares a hell of beans, he's quarterback, a
fullback, any other back.
Where are your children?
What's your ambition for your boy?
I have three boys, two of them, two
of the best preachers in America today.
The other one's the head of the new
section in that multimillion dollar, what do you
call it now?
Smithsonian Museum.
And these boys, they've got prayer lives, two
of them have got tremendous prayer lives, and
they're my joy.
I would be totally unhappy if they were
anything else.
They'd never be millionaires, they'd never be rich.
But they know God, they're laying up treasure
in heaven.
And our young people, you see, it's not
a case of getting the family, getting the
Bible back in the schools, get the Bible
back in your home.
We were talking, I was talking to your
brother Bill here about, what's his name now,
Duncan Campbell.
I spent many hours in prayer with Duncan
Campbell.
He used to pray and weep and groan.
The amazing thing, Bill, I don't know, he
never had revival except when he preached in
Gaelic.
I remember the first day of World War
I, it was the fourth of August, my
cousin went to the army, he came back
crippled.
I remember the first day of World War
II, I was to preach at the head
church of Nazarene Saturday night.
In the afternoon I went to a mission.