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Good morning.

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It's just a real blessing to be here

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this morning.

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I'm blessed to hear the singing.

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I just wanted to greet everybody in Jesus

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name.

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I'm thankful for the opportunity to gather together

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and just wanted to welcome everybody who's visiting

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and everybody who comes here regularly.

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Welcome and thanks for coming.

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Does anybody have any prayer requests this morning?

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Why don't we stand?

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Father, thank you for this morning and this

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beautiful day and an opportunity to gather together

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to try to edify each other, build each

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other up, to hold each other accountable, to

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admonish one another, to try to walk together

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in your kingdom.

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God, I just pray that your will would

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be done here today.

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We lift up to you some special prayer

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requests this morning and help us all to

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be honest, Lord, with truth and to continue

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to push into it.

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God, please edify us this morning and help

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us to edify each other and keep us

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humble.

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In Jesus name we pray.

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Amen.

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I wanted to ask you a question this

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morning and it's just kind of a subject

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I fell into this last week and I

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wanted to ask, what does your mind go

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to when you hear the word slavery?

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Sure, a

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huge blemish on our history.

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You know, the slavery that was forced on

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people of color here in the United States

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and the atrocities of it even in its

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mildest forms.

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Any other thoughts?

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Slavery.

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Yeah.

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Okay, sure, like being a slave to sin,

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a slave to the world.

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Okay.

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That's good thoughts, Atlee.

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That's actually a really good segue into what

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I wanted to start with.

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It's a little unusual, I guess, to do

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this, but I was reading through the preface

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of the English Standard Version and one particular

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thing that they wanted to bring attention to

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is the difficulty in translating from Greek the

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idea of a slave or a type of

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slave into English because there were different types

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of slaves and depending on how the word

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is used in its context, that determines what

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kind of slavery they're talking about.

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And as we study the New Testament, it's

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important to understand what type of slavery they're

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trying to bring out.

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I'm just going to read a little excerpt

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here from the preface of the ESV.

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A particular difficulty is presented when words in

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biblical Hebrew and Greek refer to ancient practices

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and institutions that do not correspond directly to

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those in the modern world.

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Such is the case in the translation of

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Ebed Hebrew and Dulos Greek, terms which are

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often rendered slave in English.

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These terms, however, actually range, cover a range

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of relationships that requires a range of renderings.

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Slave, bond servant, or servant, depending on the

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context.

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Further, the word slave currently carries associations with

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the often brutal and dehumanizing institution of slavery,

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particularly in 19th century America.

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For this reason, the ESV translation of the

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words Ebed and Dulos have been undertaken with

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particular attention to their meanings in each specific

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context.

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Thus, in the Old Testament times, one might

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enter slavery either voluntary, like to escape poverty

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or to pay off a debt, or involuntarily,

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by birth or being captured in battle or

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by judicial sentence.

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Protection for all in servitude in ancient Israel

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was provided by the Mosaic law, including specific

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provisions for release from slavery.

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where we'll be today in the New Testament,

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is often described as a bond servant, that

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is, someone in the Roman Empire officially bound

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under contract to serve his master for seven

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years, except for those in Caesar's household in

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Rome, who were contracted for 14 years.

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given his wage that had been saved by

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the master, and officially declared a freed man.

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I kind of think like the closest thing,

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at least in American history, that I could

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think of to that would be like indentured

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servitude, which is where somebody wanted to maybe

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get to the new world and start a

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new life here, but they could not pay

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the expensive fare to get here.

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That's just one example.

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I think it had different forms.

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extended period of time, and it could be

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years, would pay their fare, and in return,

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they would sort of work trade, and they

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called that being an indentured servant.

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it was a way to exploit people, even

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though there was an exchange given and a

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type of slavery.

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The ESV usage thus seeks to express the

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most fitting nuance of the meaning in each

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context, where absolute ownership by a master is

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envisaged, as in Romans chapter 6, slave is

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used.

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in view, like bond servant, as in 1

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Corinthians 7, 21 to 24, where the context

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indicates a wide range of freedom, servant is

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preferred.

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that is that in the Roman world, there

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were different types of slavery, ranging from absolute

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ownership, which would be similar to what we

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had here in the United States, with a

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middle ground of being sort of like an

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indentured servant or a bond servant, and then

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people that had more liberty.

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I want to turn this morning to Philemon.

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It's a short book, and it is the

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book that most deals with slavery.

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I was reading in a source recently just

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about the Roman world and slavery.

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It was a society that was very much

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infused with slavery.

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It was a very prominent thing.

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There are estimates that up to 20%

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of the population in the Roman Empire were

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a form of a slave, some kind of

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slave, up to 20%.

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issue of race, but it was more of

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circumstance.

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slaves, a slave was the absolute property of

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a master without any rights.

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govern, even though the slaves didn't have any

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rights, there were rules about their treatment.

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sold, their family was expected to go with

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them, even though marriages within the slaves or

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the class of slaves were not recognized.

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The slaves were commonly freed by masters also,

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which I think is notable, as a reward

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for serving well.

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it's important that we have that as a

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backdrop, that there were different kinds of slavery.

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It wasn't necessarily slavery like we understand here,

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and everything we read is colored by the

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fact that we have this American history and

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slavery.

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Conditions could be brutal.

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I was reading about the types of slavery.

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Some slaves would be in household work.

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They became very close to their masters.

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Their jobs were not hard.

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The Romans had bathhouses, and some slaves were

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assigned to stoke the fires in the bathhouse,

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and it was brutal, brutal working conditions.

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So, let's read Philemon.

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I'm reading this morning from Philemon out of

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the ESV.

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I just thought it does a really good

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job bringing out what was being communicated to

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this man, Philemon.

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Just to give you a little bit of

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backdrop about Philemon, Philemon was a convert to

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Christianity.

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It seems that he had some money.

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He had a house that people could meet

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in.

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He was considered a brother by Paul, and

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the subject of the entire book of Philemon

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is a runaway slave.

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Philemon, or not Philemon, Onesimus.

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Starting in verse one, Paul, a prisoner for

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Christ Jesus and Timothy, our brother, to Philemon,

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our beloved fellow worker, and Apphia, our sister,

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and Archippus, our fellow soldier, and the church

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in your house.

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Grace to you and peace from God our

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Father in the Lord Jesus Christ.

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I thank my God always when I remember

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you in my prayers, because I hear of

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your love and of the faith that you

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have toward the Lord Jesus and for all

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the saints.

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And I pray that the sharing of your

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faith may become effective for the full knowledge

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of every good thing that is in us

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for the sake of Christ.

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For I have derived much joy and comfort

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from your love, my brother, because the hearts

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of the saints have been refreshed through you.

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Paul's got some pretty high praise for this

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man, Philemon.

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Because it's coming from Paul, I don't think

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that it's flattery, but I think that it's

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interesting to hear these praises of this man

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leading up to something that Paul is going

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to ask him to do, which was both

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radical and very difficult.

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And one thing that stands out to me

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throughout the letter of Philemon is Paul's tact

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with this man and consistent gentle pressure in

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trying to stretch him into something that he

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may not want to do.

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Accordingly, though I am bold enough in Christ

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to command you to do what is required,

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yet for love's sake I prefer to appeal

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to you.

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I, Paul, an old man and now a

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prisoner also for Christ Jesus, I appeal to

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you for my child, Onesimus, whose father I

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became in my imprisonment.

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This is where Paul starts to sort of

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drop the bomb on Philemon.

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Formerly he was useless to you, but now

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he is indeed useful to you and to

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me.

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I am sending him back to you, sending

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my very heart.

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I would have been glad to keep him

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with me in order that he might serve

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me on your behalf during my imprisonment for

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the gospel, but I preferred to do nothing

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without your consent in order that your goodness

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might not be by compulsion, but of your

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own accord.

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In other words, Paul's saying, I could command

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you to do this, but I'm going to

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beg you.

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And I could keep this slave, Onesimus, but

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I want you to choose to do the

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right thing.

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For this perhaps is why he was departed

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from you for a while, that you might

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have him back forever, no longer as a

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bond servant, but more than a bond servant

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as a beloved brother, especially to me, but

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how much more to you, both in the

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flesh and in the Lord.

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It's almost like Paul is saying to Philemon,

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look at this golden opportunity you have.

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You lost something that was a piece of

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personal property, and you're going to get it

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back as a brother in the Lord.

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And I don't want this opportunity to pass

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you by.

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So I'm giving you the opportunity to do

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the right thing.

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So if you consider me your partner, receive

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him as you would receive me.

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And I just want that to sink in

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for a minute, like that is a pretty,

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Paul is a Roman citizen.

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He is not a slave.

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And he's asking somebody to receive somebody who

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was personal property runoff at a loss back

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in an equal status level as the Apostle

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Paul, not for authority, not for apostleship or

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anything like that, but just like to give

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him, to extend it to him the same

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respect that would be extended to Paul if

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Paul were to be coming to the house.

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If he has wronged you at all, or

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owes you anything, charge that to my account.

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I, Paul, write this with my own hand.

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I will repay it to say nothing of

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your owing me, even your own self.

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Yes, brother, I want some benefit from you

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in the Lord.

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Refresh my heart in Christ, confident of your

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obedience.

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I write to you knowing that you will

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do even more than I say.

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When I was a boy, we had this

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family friend, and her name was Sharon.

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She was a realtor.

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And she was just one of the warmest

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and friendliest people you could hope to meet.

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But she was an incredibly shrewd businesswoman.

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And I remember reading her letters to clients,

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or maybe it was like, for some reason,

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I got ahold of one of her letters,

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like maybe to a homeowners association.

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And she did this thing that I see

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Paul doing here, where she's presenting somebody with

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something they didn't even see coming, that they

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have not committed to at all.

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And then she would say, I want you

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to do this, and I thank you in

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advance.

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Which, like, this person is reading this letter,

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and they haven't committed to anything, and there's

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this appeal within the letter to do something

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that they may not want to do.

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And then the person who's writing the letter

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seals it with, thank you in advance.

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Like, as a way of saying, I know

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you'll do the right thing.

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And I don't, I want to be careful,

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like, I don't want to call what Paul

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is doing manipulative.

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But Paul is calling this guy to, like,

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this guy who calls himself a brother, this

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guy who hosts a church in his house,

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to really put some action to his words.

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And I just, I just find that really

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humbling.

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At the same time, prepare a guest room

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for me, for I am hoping that through

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your prayers, I will be graciously given to

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you.

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Epaphras, my fellow prisoner in Christ, Jesus sends

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greetings to you.

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And so do Mark, Aristarchus, Demas, and Luke,

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my fellow workers.

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The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be

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with your spirit.

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I think Paul is a guy who's a

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master of using the framework of circumstances to

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persuade his audience.

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He uses the basis that, like, you're calling

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yourself a Christian, and I'm calling you to

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do the right thing.

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I'm not commanding you, I'm just asking you,

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and I'm confident that you will do the

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right thing.

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Other examples of that are, like, in the

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book of Acts, when Paul says he's about

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to be beaten with the rod, and he

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says, tell me, is it lawful for you

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to be a Roman citizen uncondemned?

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And in another example, he says, they have

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beaten us openly, uncondemned being Romans, and have

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cast us into prison, and now do they

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thrust us out privily?

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Nay, verily, but let them come themselves and

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fetch us out.

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I'm not sure I can, like, I'm not

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sure it's, like, within me to call on

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people like Paul does to do things, and

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yet I think we can learn from him

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about, just in general, like, this is a

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very, it's a very strong letter, and it's

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a very tactful letter, too.

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And I just admire that.

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I admire that in Paul's writing, that he's

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challenging this man to do something radical, something

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incredibly difficult, and I think

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that's a good model to ascribe to.

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I want to kind of come back to

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the issue at hand here, this slavery issue.

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You know, we have, we kind of went

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through what this letter is about.

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There's a slave who's run away, it's an

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isthmus, and then there's a man who is

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a Christian, he's counted a brother, and yet

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he's a slave owner.

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And I've found, I find this troubling, like,

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I have a couple questions.

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Why does Paul address passages to slaves about

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obedience to masters?

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I think we all recognize that it's wrong

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to treat other humans that way.

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It violates the law of Christ about treating

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our brother as ourselves, or not even a

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brother, but just our fellow man, loving our

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neighbor as ourselves.

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It's a clear violation of the law of

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Christ.

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Also, why are their men counted as brothers

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who own human property, or slaves?

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I'm not sure I have all the answers

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this morning, but I wanted to explore a

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little bit.

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Part of the answer, I think, through a

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little bit of study, is that it's clear

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that slavery was a foundational societal norm in

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the Roman Empire.

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Remember that up to 20% of the

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Roman Empire population was enslaved in some form.

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Therefore, it was inevitable that early converts would

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include slave owners and slaves alike.

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And so my thought is that it's very

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likely that people who became Christians had to

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transition out of what they were in, out

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of what they were called out of, and

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it involved somewhat of a process.

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And I guess I think, especially talking about

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non-resistance, one thing we always get challenged

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with is, well, what about the soldiers in

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the New Testament?

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The silence on the subject doesn't mean that

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those men stayed soldiers.

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When we embrace Christianity, when we embrace following

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Christ, it means that we're going to have

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to do some changing.

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And I feel like the same thing is

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true of people who were just doing the

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societal norm and engaging in slavery and slave

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trades.

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And therefore, there's a transition.

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And I think we can piece together throughout

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the New Testament that these people were transitioning.

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Even so, it doesn't answer the moral question

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of why Paul seems to instruct slaves to

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bear their yoke of slavery.

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In this country, and this is something that

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I find deeply disturbing, churches defended, especially like

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in the mid-1800s and on into even,

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I would say, the turn of the century.

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I don't think people just were like healed

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after the Civil War was over.

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I think a lot of people held on

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to these things.

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There was a defense from the pulpit, using

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scripture to legitimize the practice of slavery.

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Consider the book of Philemon with me.

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Now, I don't think that it's fair to

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say that those people who were making a

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case for slavery were rightly using the scriptures.

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Consider with me for a minute, just the

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fact that the book of Philemon exists.

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Paul is encouraging a slave owner to accept

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his former runaway slave as a brother, and

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likely a free man, offering to pay debts

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that this man owed.

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Consider these other passages pertaining to and probably

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used to promote or defend slavery.

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Let's turn to 1 Timothy chapter 6, verse

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1 and 2.

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Let as many servants as are under the

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yoke count their own masters worthy of all

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honor, that the name of God and his

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doctrine be not blasphemed.

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And they that have believing masters, let them

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not despise them because they are brethren, but

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rather do them service because they are faithful

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and beloved partakers of the benefit.

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These things teach and exhort.

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If that's the only letter or the only

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evidence we have, it looks kind of bleak.

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It almost looks like maybe those men and

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women were right who were defending slavery 150

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years ago.

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But there are other passages too.

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Let's look at Colossians chapter 3.

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This was kind of a breakthrough passage for

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me, and I just want to share it

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with you.

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Verses 22 to 25.

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It's a lot of the same verbiage here

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initially.

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Servants, obey in all things your masters according

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to the flesh, not with eye service as

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men pleavers, but in singleness of heart, fearing

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God.

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And whatsoever you do, do it heartily as

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to the Lord and not unto men, knowing

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that of the Lord you shall receive the

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reward of the inheritance, for you serve the

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Lord Christ.

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But he that doeth wrong shall receive for

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the wrong which he hath done.

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And there is no respect of persons.

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This is something like in 20th and 21st

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century America that we really don't relate too

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well.

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And if this passage is taught on, it's

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often about employers.

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However, this is about slavery.

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It can apply to employers, but you have

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the freedom to leave your employer.

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These people that are being addressed didn't.

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This, I think, is a beautiful example of

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an inappropriate place for a chapter break, because

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we have to keep reading into verse one.

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Masters, give unto your servants that which is

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just and equal, knowing that you also have

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a master in heaven.

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I wanted especially to read this from the

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King James.

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That word equal means fair, but the translators,

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for reasons that I don't know, picked the

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word equal.

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Now, just think for a minute.

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If this is the charge that Paul is

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giving to the church at Colossae, what are

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the implications of that as a slave-owning

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master in the church?

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That you would give unto your servants that

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which is just and equal, knowing that you

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also have a master in heaven.

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And when you think about the Sermon on

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the Mount and the things that Jesus had

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to say about loving our neighbors as ourselves,

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there's not a whole lot of room there

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for a subservient class of people.

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I believe that this is part of that

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transition that Paul is actually actively instructing the

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Colossians in.

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What would be the implications, perhaps, setting a

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slave at liberty?

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I like this side note here.

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I just look a few verses further on,

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verse seven here in chapter four.

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Look who's there with Paul, who's actually going

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to be delivering this letter and helping to

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give people a rundown on the things that

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are going down in Rome with Paul.

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Who's there?

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All my state shall Tychicus declare unto you,

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who is a beloved brother and a faithful

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minister and a fellow servant in the Lord,

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whom I have sent unto you for the

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same purpose, that he might know your estate

541
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,700
and comfort your hearts with Onesimus.

542
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:45,500
That's his coming.

543
00:25:45,940 --> 00:25:47,880
The runaway slave's coming to the church of

544
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:48,380
Colossae.

545
00:25:48,380 --> 00:25:50,160
I don't know.

546
00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:51,860
That just really struck me.

547
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:56,500
That's who's going with Tychicus to share these

548
00:25:56,500 --> 00:25:57,600
things with these people.

549
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:01,020
I don't know.

550
00:26:01,180 --> 00:26:02,360
But does it matter?

551
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,340
I mean, does that change the fact that

552
00:26:06,340 --> 00:26:12,460
he's sending a runaway slave to deliver this

553
00:26:12,460 --> 00:26:14,820
epistle that has instructions to both slaves and

554
00:26:14,820 --> 00:26:15,200
masters?

555
00:26:15,380 --> 00:26:16,500
I just found that interesting.

556
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,340
Okay, one more, and then I'll be done.

557
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,760
Ephesians chapter six, verses five through nine.

558
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:38,180
Okay.

559
00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:41,340
Bond of servants.

560
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,420
Remember, that's kind of a middle form of

561
00:26:44,420 --> 00:26:44,840
slavery.

562
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,780
Obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling,

563
00:26:47,980 --> 00:26:50,020
with a sincere heart, as you would Christ,

564
00:26:50,340 --> 00:26:52,300
not by the way of eye service as

565
00:26:52,300 --> 00:26:54,600
people pleasers, but as bond servants of Christ,

566
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,080
doing the will of God from the heart,

567
00:26:57,700 --> 00:26:59,980
rendering service with a good will as to

568
00:26:59,980 --> 00:27:02,680
the Lord and not to man, knowing that

569
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,700
whatever good anyone does, this he will receive

570
00:27:05,700 --> 00:27:07,480
back from the Lord, whether he is a

571
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:08,640
bond servant or free.

572
00:27:09,420 --> 00:27:12,840
Masters, do the same to them and stop

573
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,600
your threatening, knowing that he who is both

574
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,220
their master and yours is in heaven and

575
00:27:18,220 --> 00:27:20,000
that there is no partiality with him.

576
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,860
There's no room for cruelty to slaves.

577
00:27:26,100 --> 00:27:28,000
All are equal in the sight of our

578
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,660
master, and we should treat them accordingly as

579
00:27:31,660 --> 00:27:33,300
the instruction here to the Ephesians.

580
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,580
Just wrap it up with some concluding thoughts

581
00:27:37,580 --> 00:27:37,800
here.

582
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,220
The early church within the Roman Empire was

583
00:27:44,220 --> 00:27:46,900
in the midst of a society that was

584
00:27:46,900 --> 00:27:48,360
deeply involved in slavery.

585
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,380
It was ingrained within the society.

586
00:27:51,140 --> 00:27:53,020
Paul had to deal with the reality that

587
00:27:53,020 --> 00:27:54,940
new converts were going to be both slaves

588
00:27:54,940 --> 00:27:55,740
and slave owners.

589
00:27:56,300 --> 00:27:57,200
It was a reality.

590
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,320
And he had to instruct them through his

591
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,440
epistles to conform to the law of Christ

592
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:03,160
on this issue.

593
00:28:04,780 --> 00:28:09,460
It doesn't seem enough to us, Paul's words,

594
00:28:09,540 --> 00:28:11,220
I think at least it doesn't strike me

595
00:28:11,220 --> 00:28:13,800
as enough sometimes when we have the American

596
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,660
history of brutality of slavery and not the

597
00:28:17,660 --> 00:28:20,380
kingdom of God, but the society within which

598
00:28:20,380 --> 00:28:24,400
it has existed has spurned it and condemned

599
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,400
its practice.

600
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,440
But think about it this way, to the

601
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,640
churches he was writing to, it would be

602
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,720
radical to treat slaves fairly and equally and

603
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:35,700
even release them.

604
00:28:37,100 --> 00:28:39,520
Those are radical ideas to a society that

605
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,460
is actively engaged in slavery.

606
00:28:43,850 --> 00:28:46,250
My main basis for my conclusion is the

607
00:28:46,250 --> 00:28:48,770
very existence of the book of Philemon and

608
00:28:48,770 --> 00:28:51,050
Paul's gentle and not so subtle pressure on

609
00:28:51,050 --> 00:28:53,870
Philemon to receive Onesimus back as a brother,

610
00:28:54,270 --> 00:28:56,430
as well as his epistles to other churches

611
00:28:56,430 --> 00:29:00,010
that contain instructions to masters to be mindful

612
00:29:00,010 --> 00:29:02,650
of slave treatment in light of their master,

613
00:29:03,150 --> 00:29:04,030
their heavenly master.

614
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,020
And I don't think that it's totally irrelevant

615
00:29:12,020 --> 00:29:13,760
just because we live in a society that

616
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,220
doesn't have slavery anymore.

617
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,300
I think that all, every one of us

618
00:29:19,300 --> 00:29:21,500
is in transition trying to be more fully

619
00:29:21,500 --> 00:29:23,040
conformed to the mind of Christ.

620
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:24,700
And there are things that we used to

621
00:29:24,700 --> 00:29:27,960
formally do that we will find no longer

622
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,820
fitting that we have to forsake and move

623
00:29:29,820 --> 00:29:30,240
past.

624
00:29:31,140 --> 00:29:34,800
And slavery still exists in the world and

625
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:36,860
therefore these letters are still relevant today.

626
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:39,420
That's all I have.

627
00:29:39,540 --> 00:29:40,480
I hope that wasn't too long.

628
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:41,880
God bless you all.

629
00:29:42,380 --> 00:29:43,420
Yeah, thank you Max.

630
00:29:43,540 --> 00:29:45,760
This is a topic I've thought a lot

631
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:46,020
about.

632
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,500
I find it very fascinating.

633
00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:52,840
If you said it, I missed it, or

634
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:54,140
maybe you implied it.

635
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:56,600
I was kind of listening for it, but

636
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:57,320
maybe I missed it.

637
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:04,140
But to me the big glaring omission is

638
00:30:04,140 --> 00:30:08,980
that we don't, we don't, somebody correct me.

639
00:30:09,220 --> 00:30:10,580
Maybe I might be saying this wrong, but

640
00:30:10,580 --> 00:30:12,900
I don't think that there's any teaching of

641
00:30:12,900 --> 00:30:17,300
like, hey don't you guys, you guys are

642
00:30:17,300 --> 00:30:17,980
Christians now.

643
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,280
You shouldn't be owning slaves.

644
00:30:21,540 --> 00:30:22,880
Owning slaves is wrong.

645
00:30:24,660 --> 00:30:26,420
Having human property is wrong.

646
00:30:29,140 --> 00:30:30,020
Stop that.

647
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,380
It's bad.

648
00:30:32,540 --> 00:30:32,920
It's sinful.

649
00:30:33,060 --> 00:30:33,780
It's uncharitable.

650
00:30:33,940 --> 00:30:34,720
It's ungodly.

651
00:30:34,820 --> 00:30:35,920
It's not the Christian thing.

652
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,980
But rather we have instructions to be a

653
00:30:38,980 --> 00:30:39,620
good master.

654
00:30:42,180 --> 00:30:49,100
I don't, so I, I don't think there's

655
00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:53,400
any, okay maybe before I say anything further,

656
00:30:53,660 --> 00:30:58,880
I want to make the distinction, like, so

657
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,300
Max said this thing, like when we hear

658
00:31:01,300 --> 00:31:06,940
slave we automatically think cruel, taskmaster, you just

659
00:31:06,940 --> 00:31:12,120
this unkind, unthankful, proud owner of another human

660
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,580
being who demands lots of them and beats

661
00:31:15,580 --> 00:31:17,920
them and stuff like, as though it's synonymous.

662
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,920
And I really want to make the distinction

663
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:20,280
there.

664
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,020
There is a difference between being a lord

665
00:31:24,020 --> 00:31:30,220
or a master and being a cruel taskmaster.

666
00:31:30,380 --> 00:31:31,780
I think it's how it's worded in one

667
00:31:31,780 --> 00:31:32,000
place.

668
00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:34,460
And we know this because, because we are

669
00:31:34,460 --> 00:31:34,980
slaves.

670
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,900
We are absolutely owned by, by the Lord.

671
00:31:40,740 --> 00:31:42,120
He is our master.

672
00:31:42,340 --> 00:31:44,380
We absolutely, He absolutely owns us.

673
00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:46,980
And there's no, there's no shame in it.

674
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,740
Like if, if we would have the right

675
00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:51,520
attitude, we would embrace this position.

676
00:31:51,700 --> 00:31:55,240
And I don't, if it's an, if, if,

677
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:59,040
if being a slave is, is a position

678
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,960
to be embraced with God, I don't see

679
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,240
why it couldn't also be embraced to be

680
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,200
the servant or to be owned of a

681
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:06,460
man.

682
00:32:11,620 --> 00:32:13,900
And again, I want to clarify, like, I

683
00:32:13,900 --> 00:32:15,760
don't, I don't think it has to look

684
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,080
the way that it's always, you know, that

685
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,740
we have, like, we have this picture of,

686
00:32:19,740 --> 00:32:23,080
of American slavery, how that it's always bad.

687
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,760
We, we live in a time where, especially

688
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,480
here in America, but really all over the

689
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,920
world, it's because of this thing called the

690
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,080
industrial revolution.

691
00:32:35,820 --> 00:32:37,200
Everything is different.

692
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,100
It's so vastly different that it's, it's almost

693
00:32:40,100 --> 00:32:43,720
difficult to even comprehend how different things used

694
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:44,120
to be.

695
00:32:44,460 --> 00:32:48,380
Things used to be such that if you

696
00:32:48,380 --> 00:32:51,820
didn't, uh, if you had a job with

697
00:32:51,820 --> 00:32:54,020
somebody, it was, that was a precious thing

698
00:32:54,020 --> 00:32:55,660
and you did not want to lose it

699
00:32:55,660 --> 00:32:57,640
because jobs were not easy.

700
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:59,640
Nowadays, jobs are easy to come by.

701
00:32:59,740 --> 00:33:01,360
You quit one job, you go get another

702
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:01,820
job.

703
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,780
There's, it's just like, you don't even think

704
00:33:03,780 --> 00:33:04,120
about it.

705
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:05,460
It's so easy to get a job.

706
00:33:05,980 --> 00:33:08,480
And for most of human history, that was

707
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:09,740
not the case.

708
00:33:09,780 --> 00:33:11,260
Like we have the story of the prodigal

709
00:33:11,260 --> 00:33:14,460
son, like that guy, he had no op,

710
00:33:14,500 --> 00:33:16,820
like his only job he could get was,

711
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,920
was where he was feeding pigs more than

712
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:20,840
he was getting paid.

713
00:33:20,940 --> 00:33:23,600
Like he did not have any other, he

714
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,060
did not have any other options.

715
00:33:25,060 --> 00:33:27,360
Like this is, this is, I think, typical

716
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,360
of how things used to be.

717
00:33:30,060 --> 00:33:33,400
Um, many people were at the bottom and

718
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:34,860
they just didn't have opportunities.

719
00:33:34,860 --> 00:33:36,540
If you didn't have a trade, if you

720
00:33:36,540 --> 00:33:38,900
lost, or if you lost your job, you

721
00:33:38,900 --> 00:33:40,960
would be in a terrible, terrible position.

722
00:33:41,260 --> 00:33:43,320
And there were lots of, there was, there

723
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,040
was more people that wanted or needed work

724
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,280
or, uh, paying work of some kind than,

725
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,660
than there was work available.

726
00:33:54,020 --> 00:33:58,840
Um, peop, people would have gladly, if there

727
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,120
was somebody who was going to give you

728
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,500
a place to stay and give you food,

729
00:34:02,940 --> 00:34:04,640
you, you'd give your life for them.

730
00:34:04,700 --> 00:34:08,120
Like you, you'd be grateful to do it.

731
00:34:08,900 --> 00:34:13,440
Um, and, and the person who's taking care

732
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,760
of you and giving you work is really,

733
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,100
uh, what's the word I'm looking for?

734
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:23,659
Uh, but it would be very benevolent that

735
00:34:23,659 --> 00:34:26,360
they would be like doing you a great

736
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,120
favor to, to be taking care of you

737
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,639
in exchange for your service.

738
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:37,780
Um, again, this, please try to separate what

739
00:34:37,780 --> 00:34:40,719
I'm saying from somebody who's just proud and,

740
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:45,380
um, unkind and, and, and demanding, but, um,

741
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,219
kind of like this thing when Max said,

742
00:34:47,380 --> 00:34:50,679
um, he gave this example of, of somebody

743
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:54,360
who wanted something to get, he gave the

744
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,620
example of getting, getting across the ocean on

745
00:34:57,620 --> 00:35:00,620
a boat so badly that they, they make

746
00:35:00,620 --> 00:35:01,080
an agreement.

747
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,700
If you can, if you can do this

748
00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:04,040
for me, I'll just give you my whole

749
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:04,440
self.

750
00:35:04,620 --> 00:35:06,060
Like what else, what other choice do I

751
00:35:06,060 --> 00:35:06,440
have?

752
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,820
And that the problem comes, um, and, and

753
00:35:10,820 --> 00:35:12,440
this is kind of what I would say

754
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,420
is kind of creeped into our entire mindset.

755
00:35:15,220 --> 00:35:17,380
Imagine that you, you're so desperate.

756
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,380
You'd be so grateful if somebody would just

757
00:35:20,380 --> 00:35:23,060
make you their servant and take care of

758
00:35:23,060 --> 00:35:24,340
you and get you out of this terrible

759
00:35:24,340 --> 00:35:26,240
position that you're in so that you can

760
00:35:26,240 --> 00:35:29,200
take care of your family and you, they

761
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,060
make you this offer and you, they give

762
00:35:32,060 --> 00:35:34,000
you the thing, they pay you up front,

763
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,600
they pay you ahead of time, something that

764
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,120
can't be taken back or paid back.

765
00:35:38,660 --> 00:35:40,140
And then, and then you give your life

766
00:35:40,140 --> 00:35:40,600
to them.

767
00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:43,300
And then, and then you just, after a

768
00:35:43,300 --> 00:35:45,140
while you just start thinking like, man, why

769
00:35:45,140 --> 00:35:46,420
do I got to work for this guy?

770
00:35:46,540 --> 00:35:46,640
What?

771
00:35:46,900 --> 00:35:52,160
I mean, it's really like, um, I want

772
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,740
to say it's the devil in a lot

773
00:35:54,740 --> 00:35:56,420
of cases, but just for the most part,

774
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,900
like this atmosphere has been created where people

775
00:35:59,900 --> 00:36:04,080
can just despise their boss because they can

776
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:05,260
go get another job.

777
00:36:05,620 --> 00:36:07,100
They're not dependent upon them.

778
00:36:07,300 --> 00:36:08,480
And they can just be, eh, I can

779
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:09,980
get better wages for somebody else.

780
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,860
And it's, it's just, it creates this atmosphere

781
00:36:12,860 --> 00:36:15,160
where there's not good bosses and there's not

782
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:16,020
good servants.

783
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,240
Um, that there's, there's, I say it's the

784
00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:20,520
devil.

785
00:36:20,740 --> 00:36:22,420
It's just kind of, it's probably just the

786
00:36:22,420 --> 00:36:23,000
love of money.

787
00:36:23,620 --> 00:36:26,260
Um, and I'm sure he's responsible, but it,

788
00:36:26,260 --> 00:36:29,380
it calls out to, um, it calls out

789
00:36:29,380 --> 00:36:29,980
to children.

790
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,620
You don't have to be under your parents.

791
00:36:33,220 --> 00:36:34,620
Look at all this opportunity.

792
00:36:34,620 --> 00:36:36,220
You can get out of their house and

793
00:36:36,220 --> 00:36:37,140
it's easy.

794
00:36:37,140 --> 00:36:38,600
Like you're not dependent upon them.

795
00:36:38,700 --> 00:36:41,200
Wives aren't dependent upon their husbands anymore.

796
00:36:41,220 --> 00:36:43,780
Like it's just, there's all this opportunity and

797
00:36:43,780 --> 00:36:45,260
nobody has to serve anybody.

798
00:36:45,260 --> 00:36:47,540
Like you, everybody can be your own man.

799
00:36:47,740 --> 00:36:49,640
And I, I mean, I, I just want

800
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:51,680
to say like that it's not godly.

801
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,800
Like we, we don't, we don't see this

802
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,220
concept where God is telling, God is encouraging

803
00:36:58,220 --> 00:37:02,860
people to get out, um, to be your

804
00:37:02,860 --> 00:37:04,980
own man and don't serve another man.

805
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,340
Um, we ought not serve sin, but there's

806
00:37:08,340 --> 00:37:09,900
no shame in serving a man.

807
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,660
Anyway, um, I, I just really want to,

808
00:37:13,740 --> 00:37:15,640
we don't really have a context.

809
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,840
I don't, I don't think nearly anywhere on

810
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,620
the planet you can't, we can't say like,

811
00:37:22,660 --> 00:37:23,780
you know, like it is in such and

812
00:37:23,780 --> 00:37:25,660
such a place, like just even in the

813
00:37:25,660 --> 00:37:27,660
poorest places, I don't think it's as desperate

814
00:37:27,660 --> 00:37:29,240
as it, as it has been in times

815
00:37:29,240 --> 00:37:32,140
past where these things were much more, uh,

816
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:33,080
much more reasonable.

817
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,300
I, um, I, anyway, I just like, I

818
00:37:37,300 --> 00:37:38,800
just kind of want to especially make that

819
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:39,040
point.

820
00:37:39,180 --> 00:37:40,920
Like we don't see God or any of

821
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,040
the servants of God encouraging people to long

822
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,000
for their freedom, um, or even tell people

823
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,600
who are, who, who have people in their

824
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:52,220
service that they really ought to be giving

825
00:37:52,220 --> 00:37:54,240
people their freedom, but really just to be,

826
00:37:54,280 --> 00:38:00,060
um, um, to be gracious and to be

827
00:38:00,060 --> 00:38:00,340
good.

828
00:38:00,380 --> 00:38:02,880
And, and kind of like when it, when

829
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,120
it says plainly, like, because remember, because you

830
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,780
also have a Lord, like this relationship that

831
00:38:07,780 --> 00:38:09,120
we have with the Lord isn't bad.

832
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:10,940
And I, and I don't think necessarily a

833
00:38:10,940 --> 00:38:15,040
slave master, um, relationship was, was bad at

834
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:15,400
all.

835
00:38:17,220 --> 00:38:20,200
Um, anyway, I'd be glad for anybody to

836
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:20,740
corrections.

837
00:38:21,420 --> 00:38:23,640
I don't want to say too much either,

838
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,580
but being as buddy opened it up anyway.

839
00:38:28,180 --> 00:38:30,900
I agree with what he's been saying here.

840
00:38:31,300 --> 00:38:35,420
I think there's, except one thing, didn't Paul

841
00:38:35,420 --> 00:38:38,420
mentioned somewhere about if you can be free,

842
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,080
take it like in Romans somewhere.

843
00:38:42,620 --> 00:38:46,220
Maybe I didn't look it up, but I

844
00:38:46,220 --> 00:38:48,720
think just like, and I don't want, I

845
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:50,720
mean, this could, this could be a, a

846
00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:58,000
half day's but, uh, and I think there

847
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,880
are still areas in the world, maybe that,

848
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,700
that people are in this situation where they

849
00:39:05,700 --> 00:39:09,600
are basically, if not fully like a slave.

850
00:39:10,060 --> 00:39:12,440
But I think, I think it's more complicated

851
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,680
than just like, if we have this thing

852
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,520
in our mind, like, okay, freedom, like, like

853
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,120
if, if, if such a master were to

854
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,580
come to Christ and just say, okay, now

855
00:39:24,580 --> 00:39:26,520
you're free, go.

856
00:39:27,380 --> 00:39:29,540
It's not always humane.

857
00:39:29,740 --> 00:39:32,460
I don't think, I mean, like some of

858
00:39:32,460 --> 00:39:35,340
these situations, if we, if we go back

859
00:39:35,340 --> 00:39:42,580
to the American slaves, like, um, the, these

860
00:39:42,580 --> 00:39:45,620
people that maybe for generations have been slaves,

861
00:39:46,340 --> 00:39:49,980
and one day the master becomes a Christian,

862
00:39:50,500 --> 00:39:52,620
if he then the next day turns around

863
00:39:52,620 --> 00:39:56,060
and says, now you're all free, I'm no

864
00:39:56,060 --> 00:39:59,300
longer, I have freed you, go.

865
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,160
You can go wherever you want, just go,

866
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,040
is not necessarily humane either.

867
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:10,520
I think there's much more, uh, to it.

868
00:40:10,660 --> 00:40:12,620
There's more complications to it.

869
00:40:14,100 --> 00:40:18,080
Um, and there's more responsibility for this master

870
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,840
that has become a Christian than, than just

871
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,040
the fact of signing free papers and saying,

872
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,300
so there could be a, there could be

873
00:40:28,300 --> 00:40:32,040
a long, a long discussion along on this

874
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:32,440
matter.

875
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,480
But I, I think this master does have

876
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,680
a responsibility to act in a Christian manner

877
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,020
toward his slaves.

878
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,820
And if it were possible to free them

879
00:40:46,820 --> 00:40:52,460
and set them on their feet, let them

880
00:40:52,460 --> 00:40:55,600
go, if they want to go, that would

881
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:56,400
be preferred.

882
00:40:57,900 --> 00:41:05,880
Um, anyway, I don't, there's more I could

883
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,800
say, but there's, there's, there's other, there's other

884
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,380
situations that we can look at in history.

885
00:41:12,260 --> 00:41:15,140
Um, the serfs in Russia where they, they

886
00:41:15,140 --> 00:41:20,260
served the, um, the landholders and, and they're

887
00:41:20,260 --> 00:41:20,840
the same way.

888
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:25,000
Like, um, if you read any of Tolstoy,

889
00:41:25,380 --> 00:41:29,140
uh, there, there, there's these pictures of, of

890
00:41:29,140 --> 00:41:33,360
men that saw this thing and were striving,

891
00:41:33,660 --> 00:41:36,340
like they, they battled with this question of

892
00:41:36,340 --> 00:41:38,960
how to, how to free their serfs basically.

893
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,400
And it's not, it's not as easy as

894
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,640
just, there you go.

895
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,400
And I think there's more responsibility for one

896
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,400
that is in, in such a situation.

897
00:41:50,740 --> 00:41:52,360
Although we have a, we have a harder

898
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,660
time of grappling with that in our mind

899
00:41:54,660 --> 00:41:57,860
because of where we're at, uh, in this

900
00:41:57,860 --> 00:41:58,500
society.

901
00:41:59,340 --> 00:42:03,660
Um, anyway, my, my mind's been going all

902
00:42:03,660 --> 00:42:04,420
over the place.

903
00:42:04,900 --> 00:42:07,920
I don't know that I have a, any

904
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:12,860
specific disagreement, um, other than just to point

905
00:42:12,860 --> 00:42:15,040
out what Buddy was trying to point out

906
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:19,140
as well, that it's not just a flat,

907
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:27,620
um, a flat question and, and a flat

908
00:42:27,620 --> 00:42:29,440
answer, if you will.

909
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,320
Yeah, it might be unnecessary for me to

910
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,440
add my voice or opinion here, but, um,

911
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:44,020
I did find it very, a very good

912
00:42:44,020 --> 00:42:45,740
lesson, very good comments here.

913
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,540
Um, and it is one of, I guess

914
00:42:48,540 --> 00:42:50,460
I kind of felt like Leroy, just like,

915
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,660
man, I've, I've grappled with some of these

916
00:42:53,660 --> 00:42:59,030
thoughts for a long time and I, uh,

917
00:42:59,030 --> 00:43:03,090
and still do like, and, and what I,

918
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:04,830
what I think is something like, I think,

919
00:43:04,970 --> 00:43:10,530
I think Max is emphasizing like, uh, the

920
00:43:10,530 --> 00:43:13,190
error of masters who are not cruel, who,

921
00:43:13,310 --> 00:43:16,390
who are, who are like taking advantage of

922
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:16,910
servants.

923
00:43:18,330 --> 00:43:21,770
And, and yet when I, all these passages

924
00:43:21,770 --> 00:43:24,450
that Max read, like, there is an instruction

925
00:43:24,450 --> 00:43:27,770
to both the master and the servant.

926
00:43:28,430 --> 00:43:31,390
And, and I, I think we do well

927
00:43:31,390 --> 00:43:33,230
to, to see both of them.

928
00:43:33,370 --> 00:43:36,510
Like, I agree with what Buddy said, like,

929
00:43:36,590 --> 00:43:39,210
it's not, not, not every, not every master

930
00:43:39,210 --> 00:43:41,830
was what we think of when we first

931
00:43:41,830 --> 00:43:42,830
think about slavery.

932
00:43:43,110 --> 00:43:49,130
Like, oh man, people driving men in the

933
00:43:49,130 --> 00:43:52,790
heat, uh, and whipping men and, and that

934
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:53,650
those things happen.

935
00:43:53,770 --> 00:43:55,710
They're, they're completely wrong.

936
00:43:55,770 --> 00:44:00,360
But sometimes I've read stories of like, I've

937
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,420
read stories of, of people who owned servants

938
00:44:04,420 --> 00:44:10,540
and were such, such good and benevolent masters

939
00:44:10,540 --> 00:44:16,160
and, and servants who had such a, such

940
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:21,400
a, um, in, in Uncle Tom's cabin, Uncle

941
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,120
Tom is the person that comes to my

942
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,800
mind, such a heart of Christ that like,

943
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,440
the whole picture, the whole picture looks really

944
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:29,940
beautiful.

945
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:33,700
Um, like it looks, it looks like, wow,

946
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,940
here is a man who, who is a,

947
00:44:37,720 --> 00:44:40,720
who is a master like unto God is

948
00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:41,260
our master.

949
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,160
And here is a servant like unto how

950
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:44,040
we are a servant.

951
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:45,440
And it's almost beautiful.

952
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,330
And I just don't have, I guess because

953
00:44:49,330 --> 00:44:51,630
of these instructions that we have for both

954
00:44:51,630 --> 00:44:55,670
people, I have struggled with what to think

955
00:44:55,670 --> 00:44:58,670
about people who worked on the underground railroad

956
00:44:58,670 --> 00:45:00,910
in America and helped run away slaves.

957
00:45:01,150 --> 00:45:04,130
And, and I've often come to the conclusion

958
00:45:04,130 --> 00:45:05,970
that like, I think that was wrong.

959
00:45:06,390 --> 00:45:08,630
And then, and then some brother Joseph's not

960
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:10,630
here, but he sometimes challenged me, well, what,

961
00:45:11,690 --> 00:45:13,990
you know, what, what would you do if

962
00:45:13,990 --> 00:45:18,850
one of your daughters was somehow became a

963
00:45:18,850 --> 00:45:23,870
slave, like to some evil man who used,

964
00:45:24,110 --> 00:45:26,050
you know, who used her for money.

965
00:45:26,310 --> 00:45:28,570
And it's like, Oh man.

966
00:45:28,970 --> 00:45:29,150
Yeah.

967
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:31,350
Or, or maybe not even just my own

968
00:45:31,350 --> 00:45:34,410
daughter, like any, any, any woman, like, I

969
00:45:34,410 --> 00:45:36,310
don't have the answer to all those questions,

970
00:45:36,310 --> 00:45:40,880
but, but there is, I think there is

971
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,740
something that we have in the kingdom of

972
00:45:42,740 --> 00:45:46,680
God that the world cannot have and worldly

973
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:51,260
governments cannot have because, because the kingdom of

974
00:45:51,260 --> 00:45:56,100
God only functions and only governs if, if

975
00:45:56,100 --> 00:45:58,240
it is by choice and free will that

976
00:45:58,240 --> 00:45:59,240
somebody enters it.

977
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,960
It's why his kingdom is different from this

978
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:02,180
world.

979
00:46:02,260 --> 00:46:05,260
The other, not too long ago, Joseph and

980
00:46:05,260 --> 00:46:07,160
I were having this conversation with a man

981
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,820
in Springfield who had a, who had a

982
00:46:09,820 --> 00:46:11,100
Black Lives Matter shirt on.

983
00:46:11,300 --> 00:46:13,480
And, and, and it was because of that

984
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,220
shirt that we struck up a conversation and

985
00:46:15,220 --> 00:46:18,380
somewhere in the conversation, he, he was saying

986
00:46:18,380 --> 00:46:22,650
something like, I think Joseph started saying, if

987
00:46:22,650 --> 00:46:25,250
we would all follow Jesus teachings and he,

988
00:46:25,390 --> 00:46:27,390
this man interrupted and said, we'd all be

989
00:46:27,390 --> 00:46:28,090
socialists.

990
00:46:28,830 --> 00:46:32,130
And, and I said something like, okay, if,

991
00:46:32,330 --> 00:46:34,930
if we all, like, if we all follow

992
00:46:34,930 --> 00:46:39,430
Jesus teachings, we would all like, in a

993
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:41,250
sense, be socialists in the level that we

994
00:46:41,250 --> 00:46:43,570
would look out for our neighbor.

995
00:46:43,730 --> 00:46:45,070
We would love our neighbor as ourself.

996
00:46:45,170 --> 00:46:47,590
We would not have what another needs.

997
00:46:48,930 --> 00:46:51,210
And we have abundance and another has need.

998
00:46:52,010 --> 00:46:54,130
However, I said that the, you know, what,

999
00:46:54,190 --> 00:47:00,500
what's being pushed in, in a socialistic government

1000
00:47:00,500 --> 00:47:03,000
is theft because it is theft to take

1001
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,280
from a rich man and give it to

1002
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:04,820
a poor man.

1003
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,120
And, and, and then it was later, the,

1004
00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:11,180
the more I thought about that, the more

1005
00:47:11,180 --> 00:47:12,620
I thought like, okay, yeah.

1006
00:47:12,740 --> 00:47:16,320
And the reason, the reason it never works

1007
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,760
in government is because you can never get

1008
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,540
a whole society willing to, to do that.

1009
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,100
And if, if there's not a free will

1010
00:47:26,100 --> 00:47:28,980
willingness to do that, then it becomes this,

1011
00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:33,300
then it becomes this dictating authoritarian thing with

1012
00:47:33,300 --> 00:47:35,620
cruelty, with it, it has to be, it

1013
00:47:35,620 --> 00:47:37,500
has to be done with guns and swords.

1014
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:44,200
And that, that is also what, what, what

1015
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:49,160
happens in, in slavery and like people will,

1016
00:47:49,300 --> 00:47:51,940
will maintain them with guns and swords, with

1017
00:47:51,940 --> 00:47:53,000
violence, with power.

1018
00:47:53,240 --> 00:47:55,900
But, but in the kingdom of God, like

1019
00:47:57,530 --> 00:48:01,490
we can instruct both, we can instruct both

1020
00:48:01,490 --> 00:48:06,570
people, like the same thing that Paul instructs

1021
00:48:06,570 --> 00:48:09,750
Philemon, like, treat this man as an, as

1022
00:48:09,750 --> 00:48:10,170
a brother.

1023
00:48:11,050 --> 00:48:13,770
He, receive him as if you were receiving

1024
00:48:13,770 --> 00:48:14,170
me.

1025
00:48:16,810 --> 00:48:20,750
And, and, and, and don't, don't think that,

1026
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:29,440
don't think that you, you, you own him

1027
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:30,880
in a way that you can take advantage

1028
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:31,380
from him.

1029
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,200
But, but at the same time, I think

1030
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:37,900
he is also like saying to, uh, to

1031
00:48:37,900 --> 00:48:40,980
Anesimus, like, you need to go back to

1032
00:48:40,980 --> 00:48:41,100
him.

1033
00:48:41,180 --> 00:48:42,260
I don't, I don't want to do something

1034
00:48:42,260 --> 00:48:43,640
with you without his consent.

1035
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,860
You, you to some level belong to him.

1036
00:48:47,380 --> 00:48:54,430
And, um, anyway, those are, those are some

1037
00:48:54,430 --> 00:48:55,070
of my thoughts.

1038
00:48:56,550 --> 00:48:57,870
My comments are not going to be as

1039
00:48:57,870 --> 00:49:01,010
long as Leroy's and brother, um, buddy's and,

1040
00:49:01,030 --> 00:49:03,870
um, Dwayne's.

1041
00:49:03,890 --> 00:49:05,050
Thank you, Aaron.

1042
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:07,390
You're going to speak before the night's over,

1043
00:49:07,490 --> 00:49:11,170
brother Aaron, you will speak, but, uh, thanks

1044
00:49:12,610 --> 00:49:12,910
Max.

1045
00:49:12,990 --> 00:49:15,370
You did, you did a lot on, um,

1046
00:49:15,730 --> 00:49:17,710
you edified the book of Philemon.

1047
00:49:18,030 --> 00:49:20,130
Uh, my memory verse of Philemon is verse

1048
00:49:20,130 --> 00:49:20,490
five.

1049
00:49:20,650 --> 00:49:22,130
I try to memorize a verse from every

1050
00:49:22,130 --> 00:49:24,370
book in the Bible, but verse five, hearing

1051
00:49:24,370 --> 00:49:26,130
of your love and faith, which thou has

1052
00:49:26,130 --> 00:49:27,830
to Lord and all the saints, the love

1053
00:49:27,830 --> 00:49:28,990
and faith.

1054
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:30,390
And what does Philemon mean, Daniel?

1055
00:49:30,590 --> 00:49:33,830
Anyone know Philemon, Lloyd Philemon, love, love something.

1056
00:49:34,130 --> 00:49:34,930
Philos means love.

1057
00:49:35,550 --> 00:49:36,270
So what's the Illamon?

1058
00:49:36,910 --> 00:49:38,330
Philemon, what's Philemon?

1059
00:49:39,410 --> 00:49:42,210
It must mean lover of people or lover

1060
00:49:42,210 --> 00:49:42,970
of what?

1061
00:49:43,790 --> 00:49:46,490
It has a, it has a definition, Philos.

1062
00:49:46,810 --> 00:49:49,790
But anyway, my quick comment before a demo

1063
00:49:49,790 --> 00:49:53,250
is that, uh, yeah, thank you, Max.

1064
00:49:53,370 --> 00:49:54,930
I mean the insight of Paul.

1065
00:49:55,090 --> 00:49:55,190
Okay.

1066
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:56,850
I don't mean to boast, but Hey, let

1067
00:49:56,850 --> 00:49:58,110
me tell you about myself.

1068
00:49:58,110 --> 00:49:59,050
You know, he says, I don't be a

1069
00:49:59,050 --> 00:50:00,750
fool in both Corinthians, but let me tell

1070
00:50:00,750 --> 00:50:02,050
you about all my things.

1071
00:50:02,390 --> 00:50:04,730
And then, uh, and then in this one

1072
00:50:04,730 --> 00:50:07,090
in Philemon, he says, uh, now, you know,

1073
00:50:07,110 --> 00:50:09,050
make, send them free and all this and,

1074
00:50:09,170 --> 00:50:10,690
you know, Oh, but by the way, you

1075
00:50:10,690 --> 00:50:12,050
owe me your very life.

1076
00:50:12,050 --> 00:50:13,370
You know, that that's the key.

1077
00:50:13,490 --> 00:50:15,130
You know, I know you, but you owe

1078
00:50:15,130 --> 00:50:16,110
me your very life.

1079
00:50:16,450 --> 00:50:19,070
And like you said, uh, Max about, uh,

1080
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:22,310
Oh, he's in the bathroom, but you said,

1081
00:50:22,370 --> 00:50:24,690
uh, he was about to be beat.

1082
00:50:24,810 --> 00:50:26,090
And he says, is it lawful for you

1083
00:50:26,090 --> 00:50:27,010
to beat a Roman citizen?

1084
00:50:27,130 --> 00:50:28,850
You know, he, he, he had a shrewd

1085
00:50:28,850 --> 00:50:30,350
way and he knew exactly what he was

1086
00:50:30,350 --> 00:50:30,450
saying.

1087
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:31,230
The Lord be magnified.

1088
00:50:31,730 --> 00:50:31,990
Amen.

1089
00:50:32,570 --> 00:50:33,990
Praise the Lord for the word.

1090
00:50:35,130 --> 00:50:41,040
Um, I don't know if Philemon was written

1091
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,360
before Colossians, but they, both of the epistles

1092
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,560
were written from Rome.

1093
00:50:46,860 --> 00:50:51,600
So brother, um, Robert, um, had asked before

1094
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:58,220
about the, um, if it was written before,

1095
00:50:58,300 --> 00:51:02,000
uh, before or after, I guess we should

1096
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,420
try to find the word did, um, Philemon

1097
00:51:05,420 --> 00:51:05,920
leave.

1098
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,900
So we could kind of find if, if

1099
00:51:08,900 --> 00:51:11,260
both letters were sent at the same time.

1100
00:51:11,260 --> 00:51:14,820
And then when Onesimus was going with the

1101
00:51:14,820 --> 00:51:17,380
letter of Colossians and the letter of, of,

1102
00:51:17,380 --> 00:51:22,120
of Philemon, um, to Philemon, he, if he

1103
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,380
went like looking on the map and trying

1104
00:51:24,380 --> 00:51:31,160
to determine where Philemon was, um, I think

1105
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:32,940
Philemon means the lover of one.

1106
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:35,820
Yeah.

1107
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,840
Um, I don't know.

1108
00:51:39,300 --> 00:51:40,500
Is that, is that what it is?

1109
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:41,860
The lover of one.

1110
00:51:47,050 --> 00:51:47,150
Yeah.

1111
00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:52,550
Um, we see in the, in the old

1112
00:51:52,550 --> 00:51:58,350
covenant, the mercy towards, um, people that, that

1113
00:51:58,350 --> 00:52:01,130
owed others or could not pay.

1114
00:52:01,190 --> 00:52:04,930
And then they were allowed to sell themselves

1115
00:52:04,930 --> 00:52:07,970
as slaves in order to, to pay for

1116
00:52:07,970 --> 00:52:08,450
the debt.

1117
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:13,390
And, um, if the debt was so great

1118
00:52:13,390 --> 00:52:16,770
that they could not pay for it after

1119
00:52:16,770 --> 00:52:21,210
a long period of time, every 50 years,

1120
00:52:21,250 --> 00:52:22,650
they had the year of Jubilee.

1121
00:52:22,850 --> 00:52:25,430
So all, all debts were forgiven.

1122
00:52:25,770 --> 00:52:29,650
So if I owed brother Dwayne money and

1123
00:52:29,650 --> 00:52:33,370
working for him for 49 years was not

1124
00:52:33,370 --> 00:52:37,070
enough, um, to pay for it on the

1125
00:52:37,070 --> 00:52:39,010
50 year, he would have to forgive me

1126
00:52:39,010 --> 00:52:41,170
and let me free, forgive all the debt,

1127
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:45,270
which was something, I guess was something good.

1128
00:52:46,110 --> 00:52:51,030
Um, the other thing is, um, like there

1129
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:55,630
was, if the masters, um, dealing with, with,

1130
00:52:56,030 --> 00:52:58,950
with the slave cause the slave to be

1131
00:52:58,950 --> 00:53:02,030
hurt, like if you smite your servant's eye

1132
00:53:02,030 --> 00:53:05,290
and the eye perishes, you let him go

1133
00:53:05,290 --> 00:53:06,830
for the eye sake.

1134
00:53:07,830 --> 00:53:12,630
And if the, the maiden, uh, had her

1135
00:53:12,630 --> 00:53:15,550
tooth broken because of the master striking her,

1136
00:53:16,210 --> 00:53:19,610
uh, she should be let go free, free

1137
00:53:19,610 --> 00:53:22,430
to, to go away because of the tooth

1138
00:53:22,430 --> 00:53:28,470
sake to, um, slavery was not, um, we,

1139
00:53:28,550 --> 00:53:35,390
you think about, um, this black, um, slavery

1140
00:53:35,390 --> 00:53:36,690
kind of thing in America.

1141
00:53:37,010 --> 00:53:38,290
It was the same in Brazil.

1142
00:53:39,110 --> 00:53:42,970
Um, the slave trade went down there too.

1143
00:53:43,090 --> 00:53:44,870
There are places that like, if you go

1144
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:47,950
to Rio de Janeiro, um, the vast majority

1145
00:53:47,950 --> 00:53:50,070
of the population, there are black people.

1146
00:53:51,230 --> 00:53:55,430
Um, the favelas, the slums, very, very dangerous

1147
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:59,090
places in Brazil are, are called favelas.

1148
00:53:59,350 --> 00:54:02,090
And, um, the situation is so bad that

1149
00:54:02,090 --> 00:54:05,830
you could find little children walking with guns

1150
00:54:05,830 --> 00:54:07,930
that not even the police had.

1151
00:54:08,090 --> 00:54:09,550
That's so, so sad.

1152
00:54:09,630 --> 00:54:12,010
It was, uh, I lived in one of

1153
00:54:12,010 --> 00:54:12,510
the slums.

1154
00:54:12,690 --> 00:54:13,990
It's called the city of God.

1155
00:54:15,130 --> 00:54:17,950
I guess the founders were Christians because many

1156
00:54:17,950 --> 00:54:19,710
of the streets there have Bible names.

1157
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:24,310
Um, even have a Bible plaza there, a

1158
00:54:24,310 --> 00:54:25,070
Bible park.

1159
00:54:25,710 --> 00:54:29,030
Um, so when they, they were set free,

1160
00:54:29,070 --> 00:54:32,510
kind of like the government, all right, you're,

1161
00:54:32,970 --> 00:54:36,050
there was a princess that she signed the

1162
00:54:36,050 --> 00:54:38,290
letter saying that they should be let go.

1163
00:54:38,550 --> 00:54:40,030
I think that's when that happened.

1164
00:54:41,310 --> 00:54:44,350
Um, if anybody has more information on Brazilian

1165
00:54:44,350 --> 00:54:46,770
history, let me know, but it looks like

1166
00:54:46,770 --> 00:54:50,570
they, they were not allowed to be in

1167
00:54:50,570 --> 00:54:52,070
the rich areas of society.

1168
00:54:52,070 --> 00:54:55,570
So they were margin marginalized towards the slums

1169
00:54:55,570 --> 00:54:57,790
here in America, rich people will live in

1170
00:54:57,790 --> 00:54:59,590
the hills and mountains in Brazil.

1171
00:54:59,750 --> 00:55:00,290
It's the opposite.

1172
00:55:00,490 --> 00:55:02,470
It's the poor, like you go to the,

1173
00:55:02,570 --> 00:55:04,310
to the mountains in Rio de Janeiro, you're

1174
00:55:04,310 --> 00:55:06,170
going to find the dangerous communities.

1175
00:55:07,290 --> 00:55:11,390
Um, it's, it's, they, they were set free,

1176
00:55:11,490 --> 00:55:13,410
but there was no mercy from the government

1177
00:55:13,410 --> 00:55:14,710
towards them.

1178
00:55:14,770 --> 00:55:14,950
All right.

1179
00:55:14,950 --> 00:55:17,090
You're free to go, but don't come down

1180
00:55:17,090 --> 00:55:17,290
here.

1181
00:55:17,330 --> 00:55:18,750
You better go to the mountain.

1182
00:55:19,510 --> 00:55:22,950
And the situation is so sad that people,

1183
00:55:23,070 --> 00:55:25,310
they're the only thing they know how to

1184
00:55:25,310 --> 00:55:27,430
do very well is drug dealing.

1185
00:55:27,930 --> 00:55:30,050
Like they don't have a, they don't have

1186
00:55:30,050 --> 00:55:34,470
maybe birth certificates or ID cards or things

1187
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:35,050
like that.

1188
00:55:35,470 --> 00:55:36,950
If you go to Brazil and you're going

1189
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:39,410
to reach those people, you have to teach

1190
00:55:39,410 --> 00:55:42,290
them how to work after they, they get

1191
00:55:42,290 --> 00:55:44,190
converted because they don't know how to work.

1192
00:55:44,270 --> 00:55:46,270
They know how to do crime.

1193
00:55:50,530 --> 00:55:50,730
Yeah.

1194
00:55:50,850 --> 00:55:54,330
And Daniel and I will translate for you.

1195
00:55:57,390 --> 00:55:59,990
Um, I guess I lost my train of

1196
00:55:59,990 --> 00:56:00,470
thought here.

1197
00:56:00,910 --> 00:56:01,350
Oh yeah.

1198
00:56:02,710 --> 00:56:09,750
Um, I think when, when Christians, if Christians

1199
00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:13,030
were owning slaves, I don't know, I don't

1200
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:15,690
know if Brazil, Brazilian Christians had this kind

1201
00:56:15,690 --> 00:56:15,970
of thing.

1202
00:56:15,990 --> 00:56:17,350
I never heard of such a thing down

1203
00:56:17,350 --> 00:56:17,970
there in Christian.

1204
00:56:18,390 --> 00:56:20,850
If, if it was something, it was, it

1205
00:56:20,850 --> 00:56:22,730
was very little, but here in America, there

1206
00:56:22,730 --> 00:56:25,870
is this, oh, you know, preaching from the

1207
00:56:25,870 --> 00:56:28,750
pulpit that it's right to own slaves.

1208
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:33,270
But I think if they really understood what

1209
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:36,310
that meant to be a slave or to

1210
00:56:36,310 --> 00:56:39,550
be a servant, um, like Galatians, right?

1211
00:56:39,570 --> 00:56:42,430
It says, uh, that everyone that has been

1212
00:56:42,430 --> 00:56:45,610
baptized, uh, in Christ, they have put on

1213
00:56:45,610 --> 00:56:48,570
Christ and, and therefore now there is no

1214
00:56:48,570 --> 00:56:50,870
June or Greek nor bond nor free.

1215
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:51,770
We're all one.

1216
00:56:51,850 --> 00:56:53,150
There's no male nor female.

1217
00:56:53,310 --> 00:56:55,810
And people will twist that and say all

1218
00:56:55,810 --> 00:56:58,490
sorts of things about the genders probably.

1219
00:56:58,730 --> 00:57:01,210
But what it's saying there is there is

1220
00:57:01,210 --> 00:57:04,970
an equality, the word equal that brother Max

1221
00:57:04,970 --> 00:57:08,490
said there, um, it can also mean fair.

1222
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:10,890
Like there's this fairness in the kingdom of

1223
00:57:10,890 --> 00:57:15,350
God that God does not discriminate, um, between

1224
00:57:15,350 --> 00:57:17,030
the poor and the rich, the black and

1225
00:57:17,030 --> 00:57:18,750
the white, the male and the female, the

1226
00:57:18,750 --> 00:57:19,650
bond and free.

1227
00:57:20,210 --> 00:57:23,510
And in Christ, we're all made free, right?

1228
00:57:24,050 --> 00:57:29,250
I, I, I guess, um, there's diverse that

1229
00:57:29,250 --> 00:57:33,030
talks like, um, a brother mentioned before, like

1230
00:57:33,030 --> 00:57:34,650
if you're able to be free, go, go

1231
00:57:34,650 --> 00:57:35,010
free.

1232
00:57:36,090 --> 00:57:38,450
And what it reminds me of the old

1233
00:57:38,450 --> 00:57:41,050
Testament, the word bond bonds, bond slave or

1234
00:57:41,050 --> 00:57:44,910
bond bond servant was this man that he

1235
00:57:44,910 --> 00:57:46,650
was a slave to this master that was

1236
00:57:46,650 --> 00:57:47,730
very kind to him.

1237
00:57:47,770 --> 00:57:49,930
He gave him a wife, he treated him

1238
00:57:49,930 --> 00:57:53,370
very well and provided everything he needed.

1239
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:56,170
It was never a striker against him.

1240
00:57:56,310 --> 00:57:58,430
And then the time for his release came

1241
00:57:58,430 --> 00:58:01,670
and then he had to go, but he

1242
00:58:01,670 --> 00:58:02,830
could choose to stay.

1243
00:58:02,970 --> 00:58:04,470
So he would say, no, I don't want

1244
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:04,810
to leave.

1245
00:58:04,890 --> 00:58:05,950
This is a good master.

1246
00:58:06,350 --> 00:58:07,590
He's very kind to me.

1247
00:58:07,630 --> 00:58:09,090
So I want to stay with him.

1248
00:58:09,770 --> 00:58:11,970
And so he would go to the, to

1249
00:58:11,970 --> 00:58:15,050
the judges and then they would put a

1250
00:58:15,050 --> 00:58:18,910
nail through his ear or some, some kind

1251
00:58:18,910 --> 00:58:22,910
of signal that would say, this man is

1252
00:58:22,910 --> 00:58:25,790
a slave by his own choice and he

1253
00:58:25,790 --> 00:58:27,750
can never be set free because he chose

1254
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:29,650
to be bound for life.

1255
00:58:29,950 --> 00:58:33,190
I guess that's the feature of Christians that

1256
00:58:33,190 --> 00:58:37,010
Christ has set us free from sin.

1257
00:58:37,410 --> 00:58:40,870
Now we can choose to go being a

1258
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:44,390
slave to righteousness as was said before, or

1259
00:58:44,390 --> 00:58:45,890
we can choose to go back to sin

1260
00:58:45,890 --> 00:58:47,690
and be a slave to sin.

1261
00:58:49,010 --> 00:58:49,970
May God help us.

1262
00:59:51,110 --> 00:59:55,610
May we be a child of God each

1263
00:59:55,610 --> 00:59:57,830
day.

1264
00:59:57,930 --> 01:00:05,110
My life will shine out of the grave.

1265
01:00:05,370 --> 01:00:12,530
I'll sing His praise while ages grow old.

1266
01:00:12,590 --> 01:00:19,150
And strive to help some troubled soul.

1267
01:00:19,150 --> 01:00:27,650
For my seeming time is sinking low.

1268
01:00:27,990 --> 01:00:35,270
A few more days and I must go

1269
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:40,990
to meet the needs that I have found.

1270
01:00:41,870 --> 01:00:49,870
Where there will be no setting sun.

1271
01:00:51,630 --> 01:01:00,130
The only life that will endure Is life

1272
01:01:00,130 --> 01:01:07,630
that's kind and good and pure And so

1273
01:01:07,630 --> 01:01:15,430
for God I'll take my stand Each day

1274
01:01:15,430 --> 01:01:21,470
I'll lend a helping hand.

1275
01:01:22,330 --> 01:01:29,570
My seeming time is sinking low.

1276
01:01:29,570 --> 01:01:37,130
A few more days and I must go

1277
01:01:37,130 --> 01:01:44,750
to meet the needs that I have found.

1278
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:51,370
Where there will be no setting sun.

1279
01:01:53,830 --> 01:02:01,970
I'll have someone in time of need.

1280
01:02:02,150 --> 01:02:07,910
And journey on with gladness in.

1281
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:17,090
God help us in the poor and weak.

1282
01:02:17,090 --> 01:02:25,230
And words of kindness to them speak.

1283
01:02:25,250 --> 01:02:32,730
My seeming time is sinking low.

1284
01:02:33,230 --> 01:02:40,390
A few more days and I must go

1285
01:02:40,390 --> 01:02:46,350
to meet the needs that I have found.

1286
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:55,970
Where there will be no setting sun.

1287
01:02:57,310 --> 01:03:03,970
From the beginning of life's weary road.

1288
01:03:27,890 --> 01:03:34,930
My seeming time is sinking low.

1289
01:03:35,490 --> 01:03:43,830
A few more days and I must go

1290
01:03:43,830 --> 01:03:51,510
to meet the needs that I have found.

1291
01:03:51,710 --> 01:03:58,170
Where there will be no setting sun.

1292
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:31,080
God guide you in some troubled road.

1293
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:31,220
Where there will be no setting sun.

1294
01:04:31,220 --> 01:04:31,320
God guide you in some troubled road.

1295
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:33,100
A few more days and I must go

1296
01:04:33,100 --> 01:04:33,720
to meet the needs that I have found.

1297
01:04:34,260 --> 01:04:35,200
Where

1298
01:04:35,200 --> 01:05:03,260
there

1299
01:05:03,260 --> 01:05:03,360
will be no setting sun.

1300
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:03,460
Where there will be no setting sun.

1301
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:08,400
We cannot contain it.

1302
01:05:08,820 --> 01:05:18,140
Or open the windows of heaven to it.

1303
01:05:19,060 --> 01:05:27,800
There's so many living in our presence here.

1304
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:32,040
They know not the Savior.

1305
01:05:33,140 --> 01:05:36,460
Have no peace within.

1306
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:47,080
But we know that we should hide.

1307
01:05:47,460 --> 01:05:51,700
But all are repenting.

1308
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:55,900
For this we do cry.

1309
01:05:56,900 --> 01:06:00,720
Open the windows.

1310
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:05,280
And pour out a blessing.

1311
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:15,040
Shower your power upon us we pray.

1312
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:18,800
Send such a blessing.

1313
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:24,380
We cannot contain it.

1314
01:06:24,380 --> 01:06:33,420
Or open the windows of heaven to it.

1315
01:06:35,430 --> 01:06:38,870
Sometimes I am weary.

1316
01:06:39,730 --> 01:06:43,850
And heavy and worn.

1317
01:06:44,330 --> 01:06:48,110
I'm crushed by the tender.

1318
01:06:48,970 --> 01:06:52,890
And greedy and torn.

1319
01:06:53,270 --> 01:06:57,510
I go back to Jesus.

1320
01:06:58,270 --> 01:07:02,430
With tears on my face.

1321
01:07:02,850 --> 01:07:06,550
And cry out for mercy.

1322
01:07:07,250 --> 01:07:11,710
His love and his grace.

1323
01:07:12,130 --> 01:07:15,850
Open the windows.

1324
01:07:16,410 --> 01:07:20,430
And pour out a blessing.

1325
01:07:21,010 --> 01:07:29,850
Shower your power upon us we pray.

1326
01:07:30,090 --> 01:07:33,590
Send such a blessing.

1327
01:07:34,650 --> 01:07:39,030
We cannot contain it.

1328
01:07:39,510 --> 01:07:47,270
Or open the windows of heaven to it.

1329
01:07:48,150 --> 01:07:57,420
So while this your power is so

1330
01:07:57,420 --> 01:07:58,440
strong.

1331
01:07:59,220 --> 01:08:07,920
The yesterday's blessings are all past and gone.

1332
01:08:08,460 --> 01:08:11,820
Once again we can see.

1333
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:17,200
And humbly we pray.

1334
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:25,020
And that's why we echo our voices to

1335
01:08:25,020 --> 01:08:26,580
say.

1336
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:30,779
Open the windows.

1337
01:08:31,420 --> 01:08:34,700
And pour out a blessing.

1338
01:08:35,859 --> 01:08:44,640
Shower your power upon us we pray.

1339
01:08:44,979 --> 01:08:48,540
Send such a blessing.

1340
01:08:49,540 --> 01:08:54,000
We cannot contain it.

1341
01:08:54,460 --> 01:09:02,580
Or open the windows of heaven to it.

1342
01:09:06,710 --> 01:09:12,359
Lord, I confess you.

1343
01:09:15,510 --> 01:09:19,470
I confess you.

1344
01:09:20,390 --> 01:09:24,210
In this meeting you do.

1345
01:09:24,689 --> 01:09:33,790
My rising and my resting place.

1346
01:09:34,510 --> 01:09:42,430
My heart and flesh is all in this

1347
01:09:42,430 --> 01:09:44,010
place.

1348
01:09:45,109 --> 01:09:54,770
My love's before, they are my own.

1349
01:09:55,650 --> 01:10:03,710
Heart and my God is still in me

1350
01:10:03,710 --> 01:10:05,430
now.

1351
01:10:06,110 --> 01:10:15,710
He knows the words I need to see.

1352
01:10:16,310 --> 01:10:21,510
There from my own knee.

1353
01:10:27,970 --> 01:10:37,630
Within my surfing mouth I stand.

1354
01:10:38,230 --> 01:10:48,110
On every side I find I am.

1355
01:10:48,610 --> 01:10:55,750
Come with us we can go

1356
01:10:55,750 --> 01:10:58,730
abroad.

1357
01:10:59,250 --> 01:11:08,020
Eyes and ears to the living God.

1358
01:11:08,900 --> 01:11:18,060
O may these mountains my

1359
01:11:18,060 --> 01:11:19,760
rest.

1360
01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:28,760
Wherever I roam, wherever I

1361
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:30,360
rest.

1362
01:11:30,540 --> 01:11:39,220
More than my weaker passions

1363
01:11:39,220 --> 01:11:41,080
bear.

1364
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:48,600
Consensus in full rise.