I'm not quite 95, but I do find
this, that if you would be so kind,
when I finish the first lecture, just let
me have a moment's pause in the jaw
work, you see, so that I don't have
to answer questions immediately after I've finished.
It takes away my strength for the second
part, and my son-in-law said, telegraphed
me after I'd had this operation on the
brain, and said, you are now qualified to
be Prime Minister of all Great Britain and
Northern Ireland, because they've cut out half your
brain.
So that's what I woke up to in
the hospital when they'd done that.
So if you'd be so kind afterwards, just
let me have a pause for ten minutes,
I'd be able to do better in the
second half.
I'll try my best for the first half
for you, but let's just have a look
at what God's Word says about the creation
of life tonight, and its connection with time.
That's what is our subject tonight.
God said, let the earth bring forth living
creatures according to their kinds, cattle, and creeping
things, and beasts of the earth according to
their kinds, and it was so.
Thank you, the commentary was not necessary, really.
And God made the beasts of the earth
according to their kinds, and the cattle according
to their kinds, and everything that creeps upon
the ground according to its kind.
God saw that it was good.
And he said, let us make man in
our image, after our likeness, and let them
have dominion over the fish of the sea,
and over the birds of the air, and
over the cattle, and over all the earth,
and over every creeping thing that creeps upon
the earth.
So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him.
Male and female he created them.
And there was evening, and there was morning,
a sixth day.
Then you've got the time reference in, just
to keep you straight on that point.
Now, I want to talk tonight about the
relationship of time to the creation of the
universe.
And we'll start on that with the reference
to the fact that one of the great
divisions that has split, and is splitting Christian
people today, is whether you can take the
word of God at what it says, to
be what it says.
When it says six days, does it mean,
in secret, six ages, long eons of time,
or does it mean six 24-hour days
that God made the creation?
I think actually that the question is ridiculous,
because you see, God has made us by
conceptual, conceptual thought.
I mean, when you are wanting to make
anything, you sit down and make a concept
of it in your mind, don't you?
If you're going to write a story, you
have an outline of the story that's going
to be.
And then you put that down into an
order form.
But it's all formed in your brain, first
of all.
You must remember that we're made in God's
image.
When we were made to think in God's
image, we think in a very small way,
in the same way that God does, in
principle.
Now I'm not saying that our thoughts reach
his thoughts, because we know that our thoughts
don't reach his thoughts, in our ways and
not in his ways.
We know that.
But it's a very, very faint image, what
we do in our mind, as to what
God has in mind.
Because God had us in mind at the
start.
Now, it's quite clear that the human mind
is capable of thinking in time, one thought
after another.
We do that, don't we?
But it's also capable, as I said last
week, that the human mind can think without
time.
I mentioned that Mozart could read through a
score of music, Eine kleine Nachtmusik, or something
like that, and it would take, say, two
or three hours to play it through.
But he could think it through in his
mind, in a flash, and correct it.
You want to read those things in the
Emperor's New Mind by the mathematician Penrose.
Well worth reading for every Christian person.
He's not a Christian himself, I believe, but
worth reading, because he's got some very good
thoughts in that.
Now, what I want to do this evening
is to show you that the idea that
time can do this, make conceptual images in
the way of creation, that that idea is
simply for the birds.
So we'll have a look at the nature
of time, and I want you to learn
this, if you'd be so kind.
Don't strive and argue with those who say
that the Bible teaches that the earth and
the universe is old, because it doesn't.
But you've got to give a reason why
you believe differently.
And I'm going to give you the reasons
tonight, because Christian thought, you know, is usually
pretty reasonable when you get to the bottom
of things.
What I'm going to do then is show
you that the idea of God having done
things in his eternal mind are above time.
Because God's mind is not governed by time,
because he made time.
He made it at the same time as
he made matter.
Do you think what that means?
They say, you know, that the Big Bang
arose from a singularity.
Do I need to explain what a singularity
is?
Does anybody not know what a singularity is?
It doesn't cost any more if I explain
what a singularity is.
So thank you for—I don't like bringing coals
to Newcastle, if you know what I mean.
Do you use that expression here?
I don't suppose you do, do you?
Well, it's like bringing—I've got another one.
It's like bringing sunshine to California, you see,
offering things that aren't necessary.
If I give explanations that aren't necessary, then
you're bringing coals to Newcastle, because Newcastle is
the town where all the coals come from
in England, you see, and that's where the
expression comes from.
So you don't want to feed people what
they already know.
Now, if you think—ladies and gentlemen, connect your
thoughts just for a second.
Concentrate them.
If you think God's mind is like God
himself, my mind is an expression of myself.
Your mind is too.
Now, God is eternal.
He's called in French, l'Eternel, the Eternal
One.
Now, if he made us in eternity, how
long do you think it took him to
make us in eternity, in thought?
Come along.
How long do you think it took him?
You see, the question of time in God's
mind is entirely beside the point.
Anybody who gets stuck, the fishhook in his
throat, you know, over time is really showing
he hasn't thought the thing through.
That's the real problem.
So if we were made in God's mind,
I should say that it might be a
very long time, it might be a very
short time.
It was an eternal time, if you can
say that.
I know that I was made in God's
image, because he says so.
And I can't consider the eternal concept—made, because
I'm a concept, unfortunately—that that took time to
make, because that was made right the way
back in the eternity of God the Father.
Okay?
So when he says that the first day
was here, it really means, as far as
I can see, because my mind, you see,
is governed by the laws of time and
space, it really means that he got the
whole concept out of the whole universe, supera,
supera time, above time, and outside time.
And then the first day, he put in
the first concepts into the space and time
he'd made.
If you want to read anything about that,
read Isaac Newton.
Isaac Newton is very good on that, although
at some points he was a bit beside
the mark, but never mind, he was a
pioneer on that subject.
So think of God in his eternal wisdom,
devoid of time, which hadn't yet been made,
because he made time with matter.
Think of him putting into time the thoughts
of eternity, and he says he did it.
The transfer of time into eternity, he says
he did it in 24 hours.
Well, I've got nothing against him creating his
eternal thoughts in the space-time continuum in
24 hours.
There's nothing against that at all.
He created it in time after having made
it in eternity, and put it there.
Then the second day he came along and
put the second batch of concepts into space
and time, which he'd made.
And there it was, it was very good.
Then he came along at the last, and
he put in his own image into space
and time, that we could think and produce
concepts such as he does in a very,
very small way.
And he says he did that on the
sixth day.
Then he completed all his works, putting eternity
into time.
On the seventh day he rested from all
his work.
There's nothing wrong about that, is there?
And yet, you know, when you say, I
believe that God made the creation on our
space-time continuum in six days, they think
that you've come from the Flat Earth Company,
or something like that.
Because they don't really understand what the nature
of the Eternal God is.
That's the reason.
Even if you know Jesus, you won't understand
that either.
Now, let's have a look at the first
one.
Could we have the first little picture?
I'm going to talk to you about some
of Oppenheimer's work on the black hole, to
show you what this time concept means.
Now, we'll have to do some theoretical work,
first of all, because this is not capable
of being digested in concentrated form.
If you do, you'll get digestion, an acute
digestion, which emerges as a headache.
And I wouldn't like to give you a
headache, you know, tonight, for worlds, because I'd
reduce your appetite for this very, very important
subject.
And this is an absorbing subject, which you
should keep appetite right to the end of
your days.
I'm still learning, and I told you, I'm
getting on for the 90s, you know, and
still learning.
Now look, this is the theoretical basis of
understanding time, which they say, in billions of
years, made the first Eobiont.
E-o-b-i-o-n-t.
It's a fictitious word.
It merely means the dawn living being.
Nobody's ever seen one.
But they say the first primeval being was
an Eobiont, the first primitive, and then they
haven't fixed themselves.
They used to say it was an amoeba,
you see, but that was too definite.
You can get caught if you say anything
definite, you see.
I don't want to get caught on these
things, so I'm going to be perfectly honest
with you.
They say that the first Eobiont, primitive being,
arose by time, without defining it, working on
a primeval soup, Fox and Miller.
The primeval soup was made by passing an
electric discharge through ammonia, methane, and water, steam.
And then the amino acids, one or two
of the twenty of which part of our
body is made, were formed by the interaction
of time on that awful primeval soup.
Nobody's ever seen the primeval soup.
There's no geological evidence for it whatsoever.
But that's what's taught in all our schools,
that time, plus an inorganic, or organic mixture
of amino acids, out of the atmosphere, worked
together till the first primitive organism appeared.
Now of course, if you say that, it's
rather difficult to disprove it, because there's not
a slightest shred of evidence for it.
It's philosophizing.
One of the things that made the Renaissance
in Europe was that they ceased philosophizing and
went into experimenting.
That's what made the great transition from the
Middle Ages to the modern times, that man
ceased thinking his wrong thoughts and got back
to God's thoughts, which you can see in
experimental science.
Okay?
And once they'd learned to experiment, they went
ahead like a house on fire in getting
knowledge.
Okay?
So when your kids come up with these
things, you give them a straight answer.
There are straight answers to these things, perfectly
plain.
Well now, let's get back to Dr. Oppenheimer,
who had a rough passage while he was
here in the United States, didn't he?
He said all sorts of things about Mr.
Oppenheimer, and he had some good ideas.
Now what he worked on, part of his
ideas, were this.
If you pass a ray of light—could we
put the lights down a bit, would you
be so kind?
Who has control of the switches?
Who has switch power here?
If you pass a ray of light over
the sun, you see there in the top
left-hand corner from where you're sitting, there's
a ray going across.
That's right, thank you, Beate.
There, it normally—light travels more or less in
straight lines, doesn't it?
Now normally you see the dotted line goes
along there.
That was where the ray of light would
be.
But if you let the ray of light
just skirt the sun, the gravitation of the
sun will diffract the light and bend the
ray.
You see I bent it down just a
little bit there where the arrow is.
So the diffraction of light over the surface
of a large body is shown by gravitation
with that experiment.
Now that's the first part of the theoretical
basis we've got to do for time.
Now if you'll notice the thick arrow there
where I've got the gravitational collapse, the sun
and other large bodies over the solar mass
of one can suffer, quite suddenly, gravitational collapse.
That is, they collapse on themselves due to
their own weight, and they shrink.
And in shrinking and collapsing, of course, they
get smaller.
So they get smaller but have the same
amount of mass in them.
That means they get relatively, excuse me, relatively
very heavy indeed.
And gravitational collapse produces the neutron star, the
quasar, the white dwarf.
Now I put the arrows going in, see,
to show that that's the force, the gravitational
force, what they call the centripetal force, which
makes the object get smaller and smaller and
smaller by gravitational collapse, and therefore heavier and
heavier and heavier, and therefore a greater gravitational
field.
Now if you take a pulsar like that
that's suffered gravitational collapse, and pass light over
it, then you see the light, where I've
got the light beam up there, normally will
go straight ahead.
But now because the gravitational field is much
stronger, the light is bent much more strongly,
refracted.
So you get your light coming down like
that, and refraction being stronger.
Okay?
Are we all right on that?
Any difficulties?
Because if there's the slightest difficulty, now's your
chance.
Yes.
Well it doesn't alter the mass, but it
alters the concentration of mass, that is the
density gets greater, so that it attracts other
objects more strongly by the gravitational field.
So you're really concentrating up gravity by letting
the body collapse on itself, smaller and smaller
and heavier and heavier.
Okay?
Now the gravitational collapse goes on.
Once it started to collapse gravitationally, you can't
stop it, and it goes on collapsing on
itself.
Are you ready?
It goes on collapsing to itself till it
tends towards infinite density and no dimensions.
It gets so heavy and gets so small
that it can't get smaller, it's infinitely heavy.
Okay?
Now that's the formation of a black hole,
and it has certain consequences in respect to
time, which we're now going to see.
I've built this superstructure up so that you
can see it, that's all.
The only way to do this is stepwise,
because if you get out of time, you
can't understand.
So we do it stepwise.
Now if you pass light over a black
hole, which has been formed by the tendency
towards no dimension and infinite gravitational field, you
pass light over that, you pass first the
light up top, you see, and the light
far away from the black hole is bent
a bit, just like it was bent a
bit over the pulsar, over the neutron star.
Okay?
But if you come nearer, there comes a
point where you get near enough to the
center of this, you ready, singularity, because it
is a singularity, you can't call it matter
like this, because it hasn't got the properties
of matter.
It's called a singularity.
If you get it near enough to the
singularity, the black hole in the middle, there
comes a time when the gravitational field is
so strong, the light goes into orbit.
Just like a spacecraft, when it gets to
a certain distance from the moon, its speed
will be just neutralized by the gravitational field
of the moon going to orbit.
So you've got light here that goes into
orbit.
Now, the speed of light is a universal
constant.
Once the speed of light is neutralized by
gravitational field, so that light goes in orbit,
there's some remarkable things happen with respect to
time.
Because at the place where the time, where
the light goes into orbit, that's like an
orange peel around the singularity in the middle.
You see, it's an area like an orange
skin around the center of an orange, okay?
At that point where the orange skin would
be, at that point, light goes into orbit.
But at the same time, at that point,
time ceases to flow.
This is the end of the space-time
continuum.
Here, time has no flux.
It doesn't flow anymore.
You've gone out of the space-time continuum
to a continuum where there's no time.
And inside that event horizon, inside that event
horizon, the orange peel where light goes into
orbit round about it, inside that is an
area where time is forever frozen.
If you could get inside that, which you
can't, of course, because the gravitational forces there
would be immense.
You'd be pulled to pieces just by the
gravitational fields.
If you could get inside that gravitational area
where the event horizon is, if you get
inside it, you could never get out, because
there isn't any time to get out.
Time doesn't flow anymore.
No, these are facts with which you've got
to reckon.
I mean, these things have been done, you
know, have been observed.
So, there's the place where you're frozen forever
in time.
Now, think of this.
At the event horizon, no radiation—I might have
to modify that in a minute—but very, very
little radiation can get out, because everything that
tries to get out gets sucked into orbit
and goes round and round and round and
never comes out again.
Just like the people who are orbiting the
moon, unless they'd had retro rockets, would never
have got out of it.
You have to have a retro rocket to
reduce your speed so that you'll fall in
or come out, one of the two.
Now, that's the third thing that happens there.
There's no information that can, on principle, get
out of inside that event horizon, because there's
no radiation can get out to carry the
wave.
A carrier wave to carry information can't get
out.
So, you, in principle, can't see anything inside
that event horizon.
At the event horizon, everything becomes, in principle,
invisible.
Okay?
There is an argument, you know, that as
you can't see a black hole, that you
can't get any information out of it, and
that argument is perfectly correct.
You can't.
There's no way of knowing what's going on
there at all.
Now, you think of modern science, which has
purported the idea of hell and heaven, because
you can't get any certain information out of
hell or heaven.
Here, we've got it mirrored in science.
You can't, in principle, get any radiation carrying
information out of that area.
And in that area, no time flows.
Now, think of this.
Are you ready?
At the center of our galaxy, you know,
the solar system and all the rest of
it, the center of our galaxy, there's pretty
good evidence that the high percentage of mass
which is lacking, according to the calculations of
the astronomers, in our galaxy, is concentrated in
the black hole.
Now, if the 80, 90 percent, or whatever
it is, I forget the exact percentage, of
mass which is lacking, according to astronomers' calculations,
is at the center of the universe, our
galaxy, you think there's no time there, because
a black hole, inside it, has no time.
And you think, trying to arrange to date—I
don't mean this socially, I mean to date
geologically—the universe, are you all right?
I have to be careful with American slang,
because you use different slang to what we
do.
Date would be quite a neutral expression in
our country, you know, but it isn't with
you.
And so I've got to be careful, and
I watch you very carefully to see if
there's any twinkling in your eyes, to see
if I've made a mistake somewhere or another.
So I watch you ever so carefully, so
you don't think I'm being quizzy, watching you.
I'm just feeling my way forward ever so
carefully.
Now, are we all right so far?
You see, anybody who tries to date the
galaxy and its age is a quack, not
much more, because he doesn't know, he suspects
that there's a black hole in the middle
where there's no time.
Let me put it a bit more clearly
to you, because I haven't seen that answering
aha reaction yet, but it'll come in just
one minute.
Now look, ladies and gentlemen, if you were
to be sitting on the sun—I hope you
never will be—but if you're really sitting on
the surface of the sun, the gravitational field
on the sun is vastly different to what
it is on the earth.
Therefore, time on the sun passes at a
completely different flux rate to what it does
on earth.
Well, if that's the case, then time on
the sun doesn't mean the same thing as
time on the earth.
What are all these fools talking about, who
say that it's an old, old earth, an
old, old universe?
It's only that they're playing upon the ignorance
of their listeners, and I think that's a
very bad thing to do.
You should try and instruct your listener, if
you can, without being a school mom, but
try and tell them how things really are.
But you have far less difficulty then with
holy scriptures when you read it, because the
early scriptures are written from the point of
view of eternity, you know, and they're pretty
safe there, because there's lots of eternity around
us, if at the center of our galaxy
there is a black hole.
Okay?
So keep that very carefully in mind when
people start to argue with you about mathematical
billions of years as the age of the
universe.
I say, what years?
Do you mean black hole years, or do
you mean years on the surface of the
sun, or do you mean years on the
surface of the earth?
Because it's not only the gravitational field alters
the flux of the flow of time, it's
also relative velocity does that.
So you've got two bodies moving away from
one another, summating the distance of which they're
moving apart.
That affects the flow of time too.
Einstein and Oppenheimer worked this out very completely,
and the thing is this, that scientists, if
they know their science and all the subjects
which are connected with science, and just don't
know how to say 2 plus 2 equals
4, sometimes they come out with the answer
2 plus 2 equals 5, which is rather
catastrophic.
But they do it, and they prove it
with mathematics, which is perfectly good, but wrongly
applied.
You can't apply time calculations where no time
is.
If you do, you're a mutt.
Okay, I'm sorry, you have to talk plainly
like that, because they'll argue the hind leg
off a donkey, you know, over these things.
I've done this, and till I learn a
bit of wisdom and say, look, you go
your way, and I'll go my way, and
we'll love one another, and do good work
for one another, but we won't say that
the machinery up there works the same way.
It doesn't work the same way.
Okay, well, that's the business about the black
holes, and the flux of time, and the
eternal mind of God, which I wanted to
talk to you a little about tonight.
Now, let's just have a look at that
a little bit further.
The fact is that it's recently been calculated,
and I think the calculation is viable and
good, that if you could get into a
black hole, there you would find out—you want
to read this in a way that your
children understand—read C.S. Lewis's The Magician's Nephew.
He's done this absolutely perfectly, where he found
in an intermediate state certain holes into thousands
of other realities which he'd never suspected.
It's okay for children.
Our children were brought up on this sort
of stuff.
From the inside of a black hole, it's
well known now that there are infinite routes—I'm
sorry, you call them routes, don't you?—infinite
routes to an infinite number of other realities
and dimensions from that place where there's no
time.
Infinite number of routes to other realities from
inside a black hole.
The scientists used to believe, you know, that
we were mutts or nuts, whichever you like
to call it, for believing in heaven and
hell.
Because, you see, you couldn't prove them.
And they say because you can't prove a
thing, it doesn't exist.
But there are other ways of doing it.
The Holy Scripture speaks a lot about heaven
and paradise and hell, and takes these realities
as being things to be seriously reckoned with.
He says, you know, of Jesus, he said,
the Son of Man which is in heaven.
That is, Jesus as a man, in his
heart, was at the right hand of the
Father.
I am the Father of one, and he
was one with Jesus.
So our inward life is capable of being
one with these realities, which we scientifically can't
prove.
But we do experience it, don't we, in
our mind, if we get forgiveness of the
enmity against God through the shed blood of
the Lord Jesus Christ.
He says our fellowship with him is such
that we are one.
And that is, fellowship with these things which
are timeless.
Now a person who experiences that life, that
new form of life, is entirely different from
the person who only knows the rate of
the flow of time on the surface of
the earth.
Okay?
That's how things work out.
And the black hole is an excellent way
of showing that to be true.
Now what I propose to do is to,
for the second half of this lecture series,
that is when we're finished here, I'm going
to have just a little time of quiet
for myself, and I'm going to go into
dimension theory per se.
I'm going to go into flatland and the
significance of flatland for our Christian life.
But we'll have a short time, ten minutes
rest.
Go and have a look at the tables
out the back, and we'll come back in
a quarter of an hour and go and
do that.
Thank you for being so kind.
So the Lord God caused a deep sleep
to fall upon man, and while he slept
he took out one of his ribs and
closed up its place with flesh.
Now you know, the biologists used to go
hopping mad over that, because it did sound
a bit risky, didn't it?
But you see, if the creator wrote it,
he knew what he'd done.
Now they would call that cloning today.
You see, if you've got a cell, you
don't need to create another cell to make
another human being, because the information is in
the one cell to make everything.
All cells contain the information to make an
old woman or a man.
The only difference between the man and the
woman is, of course, you've got the 46
chromosomes, and then the XY chromosomes, which decide
the sex.
And it's the Y which makes the man,
and it's the XX which makes his lady.
Now if you were wanting to clone a
man from a man, a woman, you'd think
how little you'd have to do, because we
are the same species, you know.
There may be some doubts in some minds,
but we are, because men don't understand ladies'
psyche sometimes.
But they do think differently, don't they?
But grosso modo, we're one species.
Now you think how you'd do it.
If I were going to do it in
the lab, say I only had a bit
of your nose to work on, to make
another human, and say you, dear sir, were
the gentleman.
If I wanted to make an Eve for
you, all you'd have to do, you think
how easy it is to avoid having to
do unnecessary creative work, because God doesn't unnecessarily
create anything.
How do we know that?
I don't hear the whirring of those cogwheels
going round.
How do we know that?
Well, when Jesus fed the 5,000, what
was left over from the meal, by his
creative act, he didn't waste.
He made them get the baskets—what was it,
12 or was it 7 in this case,
I forget which it was—and made them collect
it all, that nothing should be lost.
And in the throwaway society, you know, it
often hurts to me to see how good
food is thrown away.
Jesus didn't allow it, because it's all from
his creative effort.
Now if you wanted to do what God
had done there, you got the cells from
the rib of Adam, which of course has
the bone marrow in it, and the bone
marrow are very undifferentiated cells.
All you'd have to do—all—is knock out, destroy
the Y chromosome, and the X will divide
automatically and make another X.
And then you've got X, X, from the
XY, the Y which you cut out, and
then you've got Eve, just as perfect as
he was then.
So there's reason in all these things, you
know.
And the things they laugh at most, make
them laugh on the other side of their
face when they think about it.
So that's how God did it at the
start.
Now there's one thing my dear better half
whispered in my ear.
She said, you didn't show about the effect
of velocity on time.
You did it for gravity.
And she's absolutely right.
You see, she is a help mate for
the failings of her husband.
And I'm very, very, very glad of it.
Now Sebastian von Hoerner, who is a professor
at the University of Heidelberg, where our two
youngest sons studied medicine.
He published a paper in Nature some years
ago, of a man and his wife who
wanted to test out the effect of gravity
on the flux of time.
So he got into a rocket, and it
was a very special rocket, when he was
about 30 years old, and his wife, what
was she, 28, something like that.
And you know the old German rule of
thumb, don't you, for matrimony?
The lady at matrimony should be, this is
not ex cathedra, what I'm saying now.
You know what ex cathedra means, don't you?
This is not official Calvary Chapel doctrine.
But you see, they say that the lady
should be half the age of the man
at matrimony.
If the man was 30, she should be
15, plus seven years.
That was the old rule of thumb, which
the Vikings used.
Okay, I'm not advocating it, but there's something
to say about it.
Well, this Sebastian von Hoerner, my wife is
looking at me and I don't forget my
lines, you see.
He got into this rocket, which remarkably enough,
traveled at the speed of light.
How he managed that, I don't know.
But he did his calculations on that basis.
And he flew out from the earth at
the speed of light, and turned around and
came back after, I think it was 10
years.
But you can look it up in the
paper in Nature if you want to, it's
in Man's Origin, Man's Destiny, the book which
Chuck Smith is bringing out yesterday at lunchtime.
Be coming out as soon as possible.
And he came back, so he came back
after 20 years, 10 years out, 10 years
back.
When he got back, he was, I think
it was 37 years older than his wife,
who'd stayed on earth.
Now he went out again, just to repeat
the experiment, at the speed of light, and
was out for 30 years total, 15 out
and 15 back.
When he got back, he found that the
earth, and all people on it, including his
wife, had aged about 300 years more than
he was.
He went out for 30 years the next
time, third time, and came back 30 years,
so he was 60 years away.
And the earth had got about, oh, some
hundreds of thousands of years older, and they
were all dead and buried when he got
back, his old friends.
So that was just to show you that
it's well known that the gravitational field alone
doesn't determine the rate of flux of time,
but also the relative velocities of two bodies.
Now Einstein was very careful to point out
that the time frame that you use for
making time is not specific.
There isn't a preferred time frame.
All you do is take the relative velocity
between two bodies, and do the experiment which
Sebastian von Hoerner reported on in Nature.
So the relative speed, particularly the speed of
light, at the speed of light, time doesn't
flow at all.
If you could take a photon, a particle
of light, or a light wave, whichever way
you like to look at it, and go
out on that around the whole universe, you
would get back to your starting point, space
being curved, at exactly the time that you
set out.
So it solves quite a lot of questions
about this old, old question, you know, about
when, if light was made and it takes
eight minutes for light to get from the
sun, how about all these stars that were
made millions of light years away from us?
You've got to think of these things in
the general theory and the special theory of
relativity, which we've proved experimentally.
I don't believe in philosophizing a lot, you
know.
I believe you've got to do the experiment
and see.
I told you yesterday about the gravitational field
and the tower and the clock on it,
didn't I?
One tower, one atomic clock on the top
and one on the bottom.
Because of the difference in a tower 300
yards high of gravitational field, the clock in
the higher gravitational field at the bottom ran
slower by a number of nanoseconds than the
one on the top.
That's the other side of the picture.
Now let's leave that because I've got the
dimension theory to do today, tonight, and that's
a very, very important one for us spiritually,
if we love the Lord.
Let's have a look at that.
They used to teach, you know, when just
before I went to school, I won't say
when I went to school because you'll do
some calculations and that'll disturb you if you
get your calculating machines out while I talk
to you.
They used to have lots of books out.
In my days, one of the professors who
wrote these books was a man called Everett,
and on dimension theory.
Now I want to talk just a little
bit about dimension theory because it's just as
important as the question of time that we've
been talking about in the first hour tonight.
Dimension theory.
Scientists used to say, they do today, those
that don't do their reading, that there's only
one dimension.
This is what the communists have stumbled on.
Why they've gone, partly.
They used to say that there was only
one dimension and that's the here and now.
Many people live in that dimension, don't they?
The here and now, nothing else.
I'm going to get what I can for
now and leave it at that.
Now scientists don't do that today.
You take Paul Davis.
Paul Davis, for example, is professor of physics,
theoretical physics at the University of Newcastle.
He's written a book which is called God
and the New Physics.
Now there are lots of things in that
book which you can't swallow, but there are
some useful hints there.
He goes very specially into the subject of
the number of dimensions that there are.
He reckons there are 11 separate dimensions, all
separated by event horizons.
Now you've learned from this morning, if you
didn't sleep through it all, that the first
lecture, not this morning, the first lecture, what
an event horizon is, is that which separates
the line of demarcation, separating a continuum of
reality.
And our reality, which we live, is space
and time in three dimensions, depth, length, and
breadth.
That's our dimension in which we live.
Now Davis points out there are many other
dimensions with realities, with multi-dimensions, much above
that, which pervade our dimension, and I'm going
to talk about that tonight, so watch out.
I had two nights ago, when I was
in Oceanside, the pleasure of having dinner with
an old friend of ours from San Diego,
with whom I did lots of America speaking
trips in the past years.
When I was young, the world was better.
And we had dinner together with his family
in Oceanside Monday night.
Now he said, you talked to my church
in San Diego about dimension theory, and you
did it on the subject of flatland.
Now the tape which we put in the
library was always checked out, and in the
end it evaporated.
It didn't come back.
Would you please be good enough to do
that tape again, or speak on that subject
again, so that we can replace it in
our library?
So I said, I'll take my very first
opportunity and do it again, and that's what
I'm doing just now.
Here's how we're going to do it.
It's in the form of a fairy tale.
You don't mind fairy tales, do you?
They're good for adults, you know.
You feel young again when you hear a
fairy tale or two.
Now, there was a time in the Far
East when a country existed which was called
flatland.
And flatland consisted of just two dimensions, length
and breadth.
Like up the top there, A, B, C,
D.
It didn't have any depth or height, just
simply a flat surface, you see.
Okay, flatland.
Now, flatland contained every shallot of intelligent people,
and the people of flatland were also two
-dimensional.
That is, they consisted of length and breadth.
Now, you see, the ladies in flatland were,
listen carefully to what I say, acute angles.
If you listen to it very carefully, don't
anybody say that I was casting aspersions around.
I'm not.
And the men were obtuse angles.
They always are, you know, I'm one myself.
So they lived happily there, and they were
all scientists.
And they spent their days in the lab
working out problems on quantum theory and causality.
And that was their bread and butter.
Okay?
Now, they were sitting in committee one day
at the foremost university of flatland, and deciding
what research projects they should fund.
Now, this in university is one of the
very, very main subjects which have to be
weighed in the balances very carefully, because the
life of the university is dependent upon it.
You see, the university gets a 40%
cut on all research grants given.
So, if you earn a thousand or fifty
thousand dollar grant, the university gets 40%
of it to pay on costs.
That's called an on-cost contribution.
And they were sitting in committee, working on
these grants, and they were sitting out like
the Scripps Oceanographic Museum, you know, right on
the sea coast.
Beautiful setting, cost lots of money, but never
mind.
Yeah, really, really just a place to have
ideas in.
And they were sitting in committee, all these
flatlanders.
Only the obtuse were there, only the men.
The ladies were cut out of financial arrangements,
which I guess they sometimes are.
And they're looking through the plate glass window
in their committee room, and the beach was
right in front of them.
Scientists have to have a beach, you know,
otherwise the science doesn't run properly.
So, they were watching this beach while they
were working on their committee, and they suddenly
all froze.
Terrifying.
Looking out of the plate glass window onto
the flat sand, they saw footsteps being formed
without any body on them.
No legs to make them, and no man
or woman to make them.
Perfect.
Five toes and an instep, and these footsteps
were coming straight towards the plate glass window.
That is, here was a classic case, are
you listening, of a causality.
Something happening without a cause.
Now, that's against all science.
Scientists didn't like this.
So, they sat there frozen, looking through the
window, to wonder if these footsteps were going
to collide with the plate glass window.
So, they had two scientists there.
One was a scientist called Sherlock Holmes, and
his wife was called Anise, and she wasn't
there though.
And he said, I think we ought to
have a research grant, granted immediately, to finding
out what those prints outside the window, which
are coming straight at us, what they mean.
We must find out about this, because here's
something which is a-causal, and if there
isn't any cause for an effect, we're up
a gum tree, you see.
So, they said, well, what do you suggest?
Well, he said, I think the thing to
do is to go out and catch one.
If we can catch one of these footprints,
he didn't say footprints, because he didn't know
what a footprint was, you see, being a
flatlander.
He says, we can catch one of these,
are you ready, reduced entropy shapes, neg-entropy
shapes.
If we can catch one of those, we
can examine it and find out what it
is, and if there is a cause behind
it, we'll find out what it is.
So, they said, okay, how do you suggest
doing it?
Well, he said, I'll suggest catching them, are
you ready, by just simply drawing a circle
around them.
One, when it's being formed, if we draw
a line around it, you see, there's no,
they didn't think like this, because they were
flatlanders.
You can't jump over it if you've got
no height.
You can't dig under it if you've got
no depth.
So, if you put a circle around it,
you've got a maximum security prison.
There's no getting out of that, not for
a flatlander.
He was thinking from his own point of
view, he couldn't get out of it, you
see, because if a line was drawn around
him, he was fixed.
He couldn't get over it, he couldn't get
under it, because there wasn't that dimension in
flatland.
This is to stretch your mind on dimension
theory, all right?
So, they said, right, if you'll do that,
we'll get a grant for 50 million dollars,
because this is vital.
Causality in quantum theory is tied up in
this.
So, they said, make your suggestions, we'll give
you the check now.
So, they gave him a check.
He said, well, you put in with me,
I'll be shut in with my wife when
this circle is drawn around us.
I'll be shut in with her if you
promise on your honor to let me out
after one week.
But I'll take in microscopes and chemical kit
so that we can catch one of these
reduced entropy shapes, and when we've got it
in our hands, we'll soon find out what
it is, and we'll know whether it's a
-causal or not.
Because a-causality in science, you know, is
a very grave matter.
So, they said, right, and all bundled out
through the little door in the plate glass
window, and ordered the truck round to bring
the best wines, and the best chips, and
the best peanut butter, and all the things
that the best people have in Flatland, to
be put in when he was shut in
with this forming reduced entropy shape.
So, they put in everything with him, and
then they just drew the line around him,
and he was in the maximum security prison.
But he said, as they drew the line
and closed the prison on him, one week
maximum, no longer I'll find out everything in
one week.
So, they promised faithfully on their honor, they
would be there with a special tool to
open maximum security prisons.
So, they shut him in, but after one
week, they told the press they were going
to solve one of the great problems of
science, a-causality.
So, the press was there after one week,
with all the cameras, they got Tim Hathaway
there, and all the other people, you see,
and to film them as they came out.
So, they, with this special tool, this is
a sensitive subject, I mustn't talk to you
about this tool, because it might get in
the hands of, you know, it shouldn't get
into.
So, they opened up the maximum security prison,
broke the line that was around him, and
fixed him in the prison.
And what did they see?
They saw a heart-rending scene.
There was poor old Sherlock Holmes on his
knees, grubbing in the sand, and his wife
with him, and none of the bottles or
the goodies had been opened.
They looked distraught, this couple.
And then they asked him to explain.
So, while the video camera was running, you
see, they explained.
He said, well, look, as soon as you
put the line around me, and I was
in, I grabbed this reduced entropy shape with
my hand, and got it firmly in my
hand.
But he said it was just like grabbing
an icicle.
You know what grabbing an icicle does, and
the firmer you hold it, the quicker it
melts, doesn't it, and slips through your hands.
My experience with fishing for eels in the
Thames, in Berkshire, at home in England, is,
if you catch an eel, don't grip it
with your hand, because it will slip through
your hand, just like an icicle does, and
leaves a skin on your hand which you
can't get off again.
So you can't hold them, that's why it
means it's slippery as an eel, you see,
you can't hold them.
And he said it was just like that,
trying to hold this reduced entropy footprint, it
was like that.
So he said, I didn't panic, of course,
because I knew that we were all in
the reduced, in the line, in the maximum
security prism.
I didn't panic, because I knew if it
got out of my hand, it couldn't get
out of the line which was round us.
So I said, well let them go, and
I'll find him in the sand.
So he'd been searching in the sand, and
he'd sifted every sand grain in that line,
with the desperation of hopelessness, when they opened
it up and told him to come out.
Now he said, what's happened?
I don't know.
That must be in there, because it can't
get out.
We couldn't get out, therefore it couldn't get
out.
So they had a great conference over this,
and asked what the explanation of this was,
because this was a separate mystery concerned with
the mysteries that happened until now.
So they had in Flatland, a dean of
all scientists, and his name was Beinstein, and
he couldn't speak English properly, he spoke with
a heavy, heavy German accent.
And they got Beinstein along, and asked him
what it was.
Beinstein was a wizened old man, with baggy
trousers, you know.
And he listened to all the evidence, that
he said, you know, I don't tell you
people what really is the answer to all
this, because if you do, if I tell
you, you'll lynch me.
I know you people do well.
You'll lynch me, and it'll cost me my
life.
So unless you give me guarantee that you
won't take my professorial chair from me, and
my salary, and my pension, if you won't
take those things from me, if you leave
me in peace, I'll tell you.
So they signed an agreement with the old
man, that they wouldn't do anything to him,
if he told them the truth, what the
answer was.
So when he got his document in his
hand, and given it to his bank vault,
to be quite safe, he said, now I
can tell you.
So he went upstairs, and had a good
night's rest, and then the next morning, he
said, now you gentlemen, you must prepare yourself
for a shock, you flatlanders.
You're so parochial, that you're almost incredible.
So he said, come on, we want to
hear what's wrong.
So he said, yes, I'll tell you, it
takes time.
Flatland isn't what you think it is.
Flatland consists of two dimensions, that is only
planes, and there's no depth in it.
But there are other dimensions, which do have
depth in them.
Flatland is a part of those other dimensions,
which do have depth in them.
So he drew them a little sketch, which
I put up on the board there, and
you see there's the ladies there, the acute
angles, and the obtuse angles, the gentlemen all
up there.
He said, flatland is A, B, C, D.
And the reduced entropy shapes, which you saw,
which somebody said were like footprints, but he
didn't know what footprints were, you see.
So he called them reduced entropy shapes.
But for us, it's footprints, okay?
He said, flatland is a part of a
cube, and the cube is based on A,
B, C, D.
And what happened was that you saw the
footprints, he used the word footprints then, although
they didn't know what footprints meant, you see.
And a young man, who happened to be
me in those days, went for a walk
outside your window in his three dimensions, and
as he went by in his three dimensions,
he put his footprints down.
And you saw the footprints, which you didn't
see him, because you've only got two dimensions
in your genes, you haven't anything more.
So, you see, every time you put a
circle around his feet and tried to catch
him, he just lifted his foot.
You can't do that, because you haven't the
dimension, the third dimension of height or depth,
you can't do that, you were caught by
the two, you were caught in two dimensions,
but he's in three dimensions.
He's partly two-dimensional, but he has an
extra dimension too.
So he's a hybrid between a two-dimensional
creature and a three-dimensional creature.
And if you try to catch his feet
by putting a ring around him, it'll catch
you, but it won't catch him, because he's
three-dimensional.
And you can't think of it, because you're
not built that way.
Don't worry about that, just look at the
evidence which you've got.
You couldn't catch that man's foot in two
dimensions, because he's three-dimensional.
He just raised his foot, or sink his
foot, and step over it, or under it,
as the case may be.
Well, they didn't like that, you know, at
all.
But he said, look, you must believe your
experimental results.
That's one of the secrets of science.
Here you've got two-dimensional people trying to
catch a three-dimensional person, and three dimensions
in two dimensions can't be held, because the
third dimension can always be used to get
out of the sphere of action of the
two dimensions.
Now, do you know where that's happened?
You take the Lord Jesus.
When he was crucified, they put on his
head a sweat cloth, and it was fixed
up and loaded with myrrh and aloes.
Now, that's a mixture which goes hard.
It's like a two-component gum, you know,
two-component, what do you call it, epoxy,
we call it, but I don't suppose you
call it that.
It gets as hard as concrete, and it
was wound around his head, and they had,
what was it, a hundred pounds of this
stuff, and put it all over his body,
so that he was bound up with a
sort of a glue, and laid in the
grave.
Now, it says of the disciples that they
came into the grave on the third day,
and there the cloths which had been used
to bind him up and preserve him, to
embalm him, were all lying undisturbed as they
were.
Now, if you think of the head sweat
cloth that was put over his head as
a motorcycle helmet, how could you get out
of that without disturbing it and breaking it,
because it's hard.
And the disciples, it said, saw the clothes
and believed that he'd entered the resurrection dimension.
Life couldn't hold him, death couldn't hold him,
and he just came out and threw the
death clothes as though they weren't there.
You think of the other time when they
were all in the upper room and having
the meal, and they'd locked the door for
fear of the Jews, so that nobody could
get in.
It says while they were in this room
hiding from the vicious Jews, Jesus came in.
How'd he get in?
The same way as he met them on
the road down to Jericho, wasn't it?
He just came into the inn and had
a meal with them, and then went out,
and on the road he exposed the Holy
Scriptures to them, and then disappeared out of
their sight.
There you've got Jesus in his bodily form
having taken on a third dimension, so that
the two dimensions, if I might put it
that way, had no hold on him at
all.
He came out of the grave because he'd
taken on the dimensions of the resurrection with
him.
Now that's as far as I wanted to
go with dimension theory this evening.
You see how important it is to know
these things.
These things used to be taught until it
pleased the materialists no longer to teach these
things, and they stopped publication.
Professor Everett never published anything anymore, because people
saw that he helped people to understand the
resurrection of the Lord.
Now think of ourselves when we die and
go to be with the Lord.
He says he is preparing for us a
body, a home, which is a resurrection home
for us.
And it's a home in, you might call
it, four dimensions, if you like.
An extra dimension, and it means that we'll
have all the powers of Jesus' resurrection with
us.
You remember this, that when they were talking
about Jesus' resurrection, and Thomas, the doubter, was
there.
Do you remember?
And he said, except I can put my
hand in the wound which the soldier made
in his side, and except I can see
the wounds in his hands and his feet,
I will not believe.
And Thomas wasn't there when he came into
the room, and the door was being locked.
But it does say of Thomas that the
next time they were in the room and
the doors were locked, Thomas was there.
And Jesus came in the door, came in
the same way as he'd come in before,
I don't know, but the dimensions of a
room didn't hinder him because he had the
resurrection body.
He came straight up to Thomas and said,
Thomas, lay your hands into my wound on
my side, and see the wounds in my
hands and in my feet, and be no
longer unbelieving, but believing Thomas.
Now what did Thomas do?
The only thing you could do, he said,
my Lord and my God.
He knew that Jesus, although he wasn't there
at the time he said that, Jesus had
heard it, and it came out yet now
when he noted that Jesus was there and
knew all about it.
Now you think what that would be if
Christian people were so conscious of dimension theory
that they knew that where two or three
are gathered together in his name, there am
I in the midst of them.
Because he was with the case of Thomas,
and Thomas didn't know he was there, but
he knew that Jesus knew.
When Jesus asked that question, don't be unbelieving
anymore, put your hand in my wound, put
your hands, have a look at my hands
and my feet, he knew then.
Now if we knew in the same way
and understood in the same way that Thomas
and the other disciples had learned, that the
grave were no hindrance, grave clothes were no
hindrance to Jesus at all, because he got
the resurrection dimension put onto him, and he
was now a combination of a man in
three dimensions and time, plus the dimensions of
eternity, and therefore he had the powers of
the resurrection of the body.
Same as I can't be held, you see,
if I make footprints by just drawing a
line around it, because I'll just step over
it, I've got the extra dimension to do
it.
So the extra dimension gives you an extra
freedom, which you wouldn't have if you didn't
have that extra dimension.
But if you've got it, then you have
the freedom of the resurrection children, of the
children of the resurrection.
That's what it means, and Jesus is preparing
us a body with that extra dimension in
it, which he's going to give us when
he comes back to take possession of his
kingdom in glory.
And we'll all have that.
But listen, these things all bring with them
responsibility.
You think of giving that power to a
person who wasn't morally fit for it, how
he'd abuse it, how he'd use it to
steal with.
Think of what you could do in that
line of things if you weren't morally prepared
for it.
And that's why Jesus prepares all of us
with the trials of this life, that we
might be fit to take on power.
Now, I'm not fit to take on the
power of, say, my son-in-law thought
to be Prime Minister of England.
I'm not trained for it, you know.
And Jesus is trying in the 70 years
we have to fit us to sit at
the right hand of God and have all
these mighty things which we then can do
for him if we're prepared for it.
That's why it says if we suffer with
him, we shall also reign with him.
Now, it takes a certain amount of suffering,
doesn't it, Dr. Eastman?
It takes a certain amount of trial and
overcoming to get educated.
It sure does.
And we need to be educated for the
kingdom of God, which is coming, fast coming.
And he'll then fit us out with all
the accoutrements we need for that kingdom when
Jesus the King is seen in power and
glory ruling from Jerusalem.
Now, that's what I was going to talk
to you about with dimension theory and time
for tonight.