This is tape LW-2229.
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Catherine Kuhlman was best known for her unique
ministry of healing.
She authored the books I Believe in Miracles
and Nothing is Impossible with God and many
others.
In this tape entitled Jesus Christ is All
in All, Ms. Kuhlman shares insights from her
personal experience on the centrality of Jesus in
her life.
I stand here today expecting great things from
Him.
And I promise you something.
I'll stay here, I'll stay with you as
long as I see that there's anyone in
this sanctuary or any place on these grounds
who needs me.
And whom I can help today.
Believe, that's what I'm here for.
But whatever you do, don't see Catherine Kuhlman.
There's a glorious presence of the Holy Spirit
in there.
You can't be anywhere in this holy sanctuary
without feeling the wonderful presence.
And I pray that not one person shall
leave these grounds today the same person that
you were 9.30 this morning.
Many of you folk saw and heard Garth
Hunt on one of our telecasts.
You know him as the man who's been
in Vietnam for the past 10 years.
A professional hockey player who's wonderfully healed by
the power of God.
His conversion was wonderful.
Garth Hunt and his wife and the family
of five children felt the call of God
to go to Vietnam.
And God used them all to stay there
under the Christian missionary alliance.
They were in the same compound with the
Zeemers and the Thompsons.
And as you well know, both Mr. and
Mrs. Thompson were killed by the Vietcong, leaving
their children orphans.
Mr. Zeemer, that marvelous man of God, was
killed by the Vietcong.
Mrs. Zeemer is seriously hurt.
Six missionaries, all in the manner of hours,
were killed recently by the Vietcong in Vietnam.
And Garth Hunt, his wife, the children, returned
to the United States and Canada to make
their decision as to whether to return or
to stay here in the United States and
Canada and just minister.
After the telecast, it was about 11.30,
almost midnight, and the lobby of the hotel,
I passed through, I had been praying with
someone, passing through to go to my room
when suddenly Garth Hunt stopped me, called my
name, and he said, I said, yes, what
in the world are you doing?
He said, I prayed until I could pray
no longer.
I've walked the floor.
I've cried out to God.
I have a decision to make.
I have a vital decision to make.
What is God's will?
Shall I go back to Vietnam?
Shall I go back to Saigon?
He said, I don't know.
I only know that my Lord has left
a decision with me.
They'll guarantee me nothing, just nothing.
They can't guarantee me anything.
He said, watch, if I'm killed, there's practically
no provision made for my wife.
If I'm killed and Mr. Zeema and Mr.
Thompson were killed over there, he said, there's
practically no provision for my children whatsoever.
And I want you to know, yes, some
of the sweetest children I've ever seen in
my life, twins, a boy 10, a girl
12, the twins were 7.
And the Lord has said, make your decision.
It's left with you.
He said the other night, Betty, my wife,
was watching the telecast and watching the news
commentators, and they were showing pictures of the
very street where we lived in Saigon, where
our compound is.
And he said, Pastor, we're sitting there watching
the telecast and recognizing some of the places
on the street and seeing lying dead on
the street some of our own friends having
been killed, murdered by the Viet Cong.
He said, suddenly she began to vomit.
And she turned as white as a ghost.
She said, God, I can't go.
And she walked out of the room.
And it haunted me.
It haunted me.
I walked the floors.
What shall I do?
I began picking the phone.
I heard a man sob.
He's a big man.
He's a strong man.
I heard that man sob all the way
until his sob filled that lobby of that
hotel.
He cried unachievably.
He said, I can't get the will of
God.
Somehow I feel it's talking to you.
It's almost like talking to God.
What shall I do?
I faced the hardest situation in my life.
And I said, I can't tell you.
No one can tell God's will for me,
and neither can anyone tell God's will for
you.
But I said, you know, this is the
way I always feel about it.
Never had any regret.
Never.
I've always felt that at some place along
the line I had missed God's will and
had to spend the rest of my life
with regret, knowing I had missed His will.
It would be, you ask me what I
would do?
Before I would compromise, I would go.
And I walked away.
I was there the morning when they left.
I was there when they went to the
airport.
No one knew what had happened that night.
I saw the children.
One of the little girls was carrying a
wheel of a bicycle.
Another little girl had a wheel of a
bicycle.
I said, what in the world are you
doing?
Oh, she said, David wanted the bicycle so
badly when they got over to Malaysia because
the children were going to go to Malaysia
to school.
They were going to leave the children in
Malaysia with the Tomsk children who were orphaned
by the Viet Cong.
And so she said, we're all helping to
get the bicycle over for David, 10 years
old, when he got to Malaysia.
And each one had a part of the
bicycle, you know.
And the little girls, you know the little
cardboard box, I think it's $2.98, you
get them at Montgomery Wards with a little
plastic doll in it and a few little
dresses to fit the doll.
The twins had the little box.
So just each one with a sweater.
And I stood there and told them goodbye.
The look on Debbie's face, the wife, I
said, what are you going to do?
Her lips quivered.
There was no answer.
I can't remember Grant Hunt even saying goodbye.
He had fought and won the battle in
his own heart.
And they left.
And I stood watching them and I thought,
there goes the saints of God.
I'm glad I'm in the Shane family there
yet.
I got a letter.
I brought it along, just one paragraph I'll
read to you.
Dear Miss Kuhlman, I'll read the one paragraph.
We left the school Monday after dinner.
This comes from Malaysia.
And our goodbyes with Donna and David were
quick so that the tears wouldn't come.
However, when it came time to say goodbye
to our three little girls, our sweet Sandra
just saw, saw, saw, and of course, this
tore our hearts.
I waited until we were driving down the
mountains to shed my tears.
Certainly these partings are hard, but it's for
his sake.
And we know that he'll sustain the children
as he is sustaining us.
I shall remain with God in Saigon.
A little boy just seven years of age
from Columbus, Georgia sent a letter to his
dad in Vietnam with a sergeant there.
And he said, Daddy, why can't you stay
at home with us like some of the
other kids' daddies do?
Do you have to be away from us?
Can't you stay at home?
And that sergeant wrote back to his seven
-year-old son, and he said, Son, this
thing of being a soldier is more than
wearing a uniform.
This thing of being a soldier is far
more than marching in parade.
It's far more than hearing the beat of
a drum.
Son, this thing of being a soldier costs
something, and sometimes it costs one's life, you
know.
Sometimes I think we get caught in the
ecstasy of it all.
Oh, it's glorious, it's wonderful to be in
the house of the Lord.
And we say, Lord, lift me up and
let me stand.
Higher ground!
Son, there isn't a single one of God's
righteous children in this place this morning.
But what yearns and seeks and cries out
for greater mountaintop experiences.
And I tell you to help me.
I don't care who you are in this
place today.
I don't care where the righteous faith of
God is, anywhere in this universe.
Who is more hungry for deeper and greater
experiences than the one who stands before you
this very hour?
Nobody knows the hunger in my heart.
Nobody, nobody, nobody knows.
Until every atom of my being cries out
for greater spiritual experiences.
I climbed the mountain, but I want to
go higher.
I want to go higher.
I've learned something.
And if somehow I know that I haven't
the ability, I don't have the vocabulary in
myself, I can't tell you.
I'm relying on the Holy Spirit to let
you see what I cannot put into words.
If it were possible for me to just
lift my heart out and put it before
you, you would know.
I've lifted and relifted that glorious mountaintop experience.
Peter, James and John, before
I've had deep experiences, I used
to almost end them and think wouldn't it
be wonderful, wouldn't it be glorious to have
been one of them?
Think of the glory of it all as
they stood there on the Mount of Transfiguration.
Think of the glory of it all.
Think of what it must have been like
to be standing there in the flesh.
They were not transfigured.
They were standing in the flesh, in bodily
form as anyone in this sanctuary this morning,
and suddenly they beheld something that no human
eye has ever beheld.
They saw Jesus.
They saw him in a different light than
they've ever seen him before.
They saw the glory.
Transformed before their very eyes.
They saw the glory.
That glory brighter than the brightest sun.
And standing on either side, one was Moses,
and the amazing thing is they recognized him
immediately.
And there was Elijah, and they recognized him
immediately.
So they'd never seen him before and they
knew, they knew.
Tremendous glory of it all and immediately Peter,
in ecstasy, cried out, oh this is so
glorious.
Let it last forever.
And he wanted to capture it.
He wanted to do something.
Something to make it last forever.
And very quickly his human mind began to
function.
He said, let us build three tabernacles.
Let us build, let us build, let us
build.
One for Moses and one for Elijah.
Let's capture it.
Let's stay here forever.
Never leave us.
Never leave the glory.
Something happened.
In a few moments they discovered they were
being led down the side of the cliff.
They found themselves walking down the side of
the cliff.
And when they got down there in the
valley, the crowd was waiting for them.
The hungry were waiting for them.
The sick were waiting for them down in
the valley.
Oh, that glorious mountaintop experience.
It's so marvelous.
But my beloved brethren in the Lord, remember
that with that mountaintop experience there goes a
responsibility.
There is never a mountaintop experience for what
there is a responsibility.
I tell you to help me.
I bear my soul to hear this out.
There are times when I would give anything
in the world if he had never called
me to preach the gospel.
I'm a human.
I'm as human as any person in this
auditorium.
I'm as human as any woman in this
place.
I am a woman.
I have my weaknesses as any human being.
Know that.
And there's many a time I've looked up
and in the flesh wished that he had
called somebody.
How nice it would be to even be
a farmer's wife in the Zora.
You'd be surprised how often I've driven those
country roads.
There's Mrs. Steppencamp.
There's Mrs. Proctor.
They're a nice little family.
They gather their eggs, be satisfied with a
few cows.
They think they have a few worries.
But they can go to bed at night,
tired in body, and lie down and sleep
good sleep.
And sleep all the way through.
And I'll wake in the crack of dawn.
Beloved, that responsibility that goes with those mountaintop
experiences, only God knows.
Only God knows.
Only one who's been called knows.
You only see the servant on the platform.
And a thousand sit out there and end
the day at once.
All you see is the one who comes
out and sinks and sinks the servant.
And you only see the one for three
and a half hours.
And when the crowd leaves after a final
prayer, then you say, isn't it glorious?
Isn't it wonderful?
If only I could be like that.
You don't know the price that's paid before
that one walks out on that stage.
I slept not more than one hour last
Saturday night.
Nobody knows but God.
Yes, beloved, being a soldier is something more
than a uniform.
Being a soldier is something more than walking
in a grand parade.
Being a soldier is something more than the
beating of the drum and hearing the applause
of the crowd.
When you know, when you know, when
you walk out on that stage and you
know that you are nothing of yourselves, you
know how helpless you are.
You know, you know, you know, you know.
There are some who can plan the service.
There are some who can plan a sermon.
But, beloved, when you are led of the
Spirit, the Holy Spirit is not a person.
He is not a power that you can
use.
He is not a person that you can
use.
The Holy Spirit must use the best.
There's a black doorknob that for 20 years
has haunted me.
A black doorknob in Carnegie Auditorium, Northside, in
Pittsburgh.
There are four steps that lead up to
the door that I have to open before
I walk out on that platform in Carnegie
Auditorium in Pittsburgh.
And I've walked those four steps for 20
years.
And that black doorknob, I've held it in
my hand until I've almost broken the bones
in my hand.
I've gripped it so.
But I know that when I pull that
black doorknob, that door opens.
And I know that out there, there are
those who've come from great distances.
I know there's those who are there with
the last ray of hope.
There are those who've paid a price.
Perhaps a daddy out there, with a child
in his arms, with a life in this
matter.
And the best doctors in the world have
said, there's no hope in his head.
Return to God.
A scumbag little mama out there.
And two daughters of a son has brought
their mother.
And how often, I bare my soul to
you, have I stood before a precious little
old mama, and her children standing there, and
they'd say, pray for her, she's dying of
cancer.
And I think about mama, and I pray
as earnestly as my own mother that I
was praying for, but I know that I
know that I know that I have no
healing virtue, I have no healing, do you
know what I'm talking about?
Do you really know that?
Do you really know what I'm talking about?
Do you really know the helplessness of it
all?
Oh, you say, but Miss Kuhlman, you should
have faith, you should believe God.
You should be able to know better than
anyone else what a big God he is.
I do, I do, I believe in it
with every atom of my being, I take
my life on it, and yet, I also
know I have to yield my body, I
have to yield myself to him, so that
the Holy Spirit can work through the body.
What if I fail?
What if I fail in my consecration?
What if I fail in my strength?
Last Saturday night, the responsibility, the
responsibility, I knew there'd be 7,000 people
packing a shrine auditorium, oh, sure I'd come
out smiling, sure I'd come out smiling.
And sometimes I think I walk so rapidly,
I walk so quickly, because I can hardly
wait for the anointing of the Holy Spirit.
It's normal that I do not say I
remember the Holy Spirit all the time, if
I did.
I'm human in this place.
Don't look to me as one who's perfection.
I'm human.
Do you know the feeling?
Do you know the feeling when you depend
on the Holy Spirit and the anointing of
the Holy Spirit, that glorious anointing?
Do you know that wonderful experience when he
takes over completely?
And it's as though you were completely detached
from everything.
Completely detached.
It's as though you were standing on the
sideline and you were watching him work.
There is a place where you become so
fixed.
Do you know what I'm talking about?
Beloved, what something watches?
Isn't anyone living who believes more in the
baptism of the Holy Spirit than the one
who stands before you this hour?
Oh, you know it.
No human being who knows Catherine Kuhlman, who
knows anything about the ministry, but what knows
is that here stands one servant of the
Lord who believes in the baptism of the
Holy Spirit.
Who believes that wonderful experience that they had
in that upper room?
I believe in it.
But I'm going to tell you something, my
friend.
There's much more to being filled with the
Spirit than speaking in an unknown tongue.
There's much more.
And sometimes I think we get so carried
away with the act of saying it all.
We get so carried away with the thrill
of it all.
Sometimes I think we get so carried away
with the speaking in an unknown tongue that
we forget the purpose.
Sometimes I think we get so carried away
with the speaking in an unknown tongue that
we forget Jesus entirely.
We forget Jesus.
I would not belittle the speaking in an
unknown tongue.
You know that.
It's scriptural.
I believe in it.
But, beloved, there's more to being filled with
the Spirit than the speaking in an unknown
tongue.
There's much more.
If you want to know the genuine from
the counterfeit, beloved, watch for the evidence of
soul winning.
Watch for the evidence of power in that
life.
There are literally thousands today in this wonderful
hour when He's pouring out of His Spirit
upon thousands and thousands and thousands and literally
thousands are being filled with the Spirit.
And thousands are speaking in an unknown tongue,
beloved.
And that's marvelous.
But don't forget the purpose of the experience.
Along with the experience there goes this tremendous
responsibility.
There's a responsibility of soul winning.
Please stop your machine at this point.