1 00:00:00,580 --> 00:00:06,300 Gordon Fraser, October 6, 1981, Forest Grove Chapel. 2 00:00:06,820 --> 00:00:09,920 Forty-five years of working with the, uh, 3 00:00:10,460 --> 00:00:13,160 alongside of the Mormons, I would say, or 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:16,160 with them, or for them, for their benefit, 5 00:00:16,900 --> 00:00:19,380 we've had some rather interesting experiences. 6 00:00:20,180 --> 00:00:22,860 And much of what we learned in the 7 00:00:22,860 --> 00:00:27,140 early days about them, uh, uh, guided me 8 00:00:27,140 --> 00:00:30,100 in my, uh, later studies. 9 00:00:30,380 --> 00:00:32,100 In my college work and so forth, I 10 00:00:32,100 --> 00:00:36,060 deliberately took, uh, subjects that would relate to 11 00:00:36,060 --> 00:00:37,660 the subjects of Mormonism. 12 00:00:38,180 --> 00:00:42,460 Particularly the Book of Mormon, which you may 13 00:00:42,460 --> 00:00:43,060 have seen. 14 00:00:43,780 --> 00:00:45,620 Don't ever buy a copy. 15 00:00:45,740 --> 00:00:48,600 They'll give you one if you, uh, uh, 16 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:50,260 resist buying it. 17 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:51,020 They'll give you one. 18 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:52,540 So don't bother. 19 00:00:52,660 --> 00:00:54,120 Or you might even find one in a 20 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:54,780 motel room. 21 00:00:54,900 --> 00:00:56,220 If you come out west, you'll find them 22 00:00:56,220 --> 00:00:58,720 in a motel room instead of the, uh, 23 00:00:58,760 --> 00:00:59,900 Bible, getting Bible. 24 00:01:01,140 --> 00:01:05,260 But, uh, I took a great deal of 25 00:01:05,260 --> 00:01:05,620 study. 26 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:08,160 All the, all the information I could get 27 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:12,560 in my college work relates to this. 28 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,060 The subject of anthropology, for instance, you say, 29 00:01:15,100 --> 00:01:17,260 well, what has that to do with, uh, 30 00:01:17,420 --> 00:01:18,060 the Book of Mormon? 31 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:20,120 Well, a great deal. 32 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,160 Because they claim that it was the ancient 33 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:29,300 American people, the ancestors of the present Indians, 34 00:01:29,620 --> 00:01:31,560 who wrote the Book of Mormon. 35 00:01:32,940 --> 00:01:34,880 And so they say, this is the Bible 36 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:36,580 for the new world. 37 00:01:36,580 --> 00:01:38,820 And I say, this is the Bible for 38 00:01:38,820 --> 00:01:41,800 the old world, but this is the Bible 39 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:42,600 for the new world. 40 00:01:42,820 --> 00:01:45,920 Well, there's some rather strange things written in 41 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:47,480 the Book of Mormon, and I spent a 42 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:48,700 good deal of time studying them out. 43 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,680 In fact, in my, uh, in my field 44 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,420 work, I did much of it in Yucatan 45 00:01:55,420 --> 00:02:00,640 and, uh, really Honduras, that general area where 46 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,920 the great population was during the period that 47 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:05,360 is described through the Book of Mormon. 48 00:02:06,100 --> 00:02:08,919 And later on, in, uh, in the North 49 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:14,020 Country, in British Columbia, Yukon, Southern Alaska, I 50 00:02:14,020 --> 00:02:15,500 did quite a bit of studying up there 51 00:02:15,500 --> 00:02:18,080 on the Native people. 52 00:02:18,940 --> 00:02:21,920 Of course, this blended with my work at 53 00:02:21,920 --> 00:02:24,820 the American Center, with the Southwestern School of 54 00:02:24,820 --> 00:02:28,820 Visions, besides that, because these are devoted entirely 55 00:02:28,820 --> 00:02:33,820 to the training of Native American people, uh, 56 00:02:34,420 --> 00:02:38,400 who have had students in our school from 57 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,420 all parts, you might say, of the North 58 00:02:41,420 --> 00:02:42,280 American continent. 59 00:02:43,300 --> 00:02:45,560 This year we have them from Alaska, from 60 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:50,380 Alberta, from Central Mexico, from Florida, from the 61 00:02:50,380 --> 00:02:54,760 Dakotas, and, of course, from the tribes in 62 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:55,560 the Southeast. 63 00:02:56,640 --> 00:02:58,580 Now, the interesting thing is this. 64 00:02:59,640 --> 00:03:02,180 The Mormon missionaries, when they go to the 65 00:03:02,180 --> 00:03:04,640 Indian people, they say, Why are you interested 66 00:03:04,640 --> 00:03:06,260 in American Indians? 67 00:03:06,340 --> 00:03:07,960 Why are you so interested in Mormons? 68 00:03:08,980 --> 00:03:12,940 Well, the Mormons have taken possession of a 69 00:03:12,940 --> 00:03:15,720 number of the Indian reservations, seriously speaking. 70 00:03:16,540 --> 00:03:20,300 They have one reservation in Oregon, a one 71 00:03:20,300 --> 00:03:24,440 -street reservation which holds members of several tribes 72 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,120 that were brought together there in one reservation. 73 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,640 A very rich reservation in timber and tourism, 74 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,660 winter sports, summer sports, everything. 75 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,280 They're very rich in this, so much so 76 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,280 that the tribe gives a dividend to every 77 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,440 individual in the tribe each year. 78 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,820 Besides having all the debts paid. 79 00:03:47,220 --> 00:03:49,680 When we knew of the work there first, 80 00:03:51,220 --> 00:03:53,820 there was a Presbyterian Church, a Roman Catholic, 81 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:58,180 a Native Patriot Church, and a Pentecostal Church, 82 00:03:58,220 --> 00:03:59,580 all four of them active. 83 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,700 Now, the only church that has a resident 84 00:04:02,700 --> 00:04:05,380 leader is the Mormon Church. 85 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,420 They have taken it over, and the others 86 00:04:09,420 --> 00:04:10,360 have just dropped out. 87 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,580 Well, we see this sort of thing happening. 88 00:04:12,940 --> 00:04:14,780 One of our tribes up in the village 89 00:04:14,780 --> 00:04:16,980 northwest, the Philly tribe up on the coast 90 00:04:16,980 --> 00:04:20,140 of Washington, some years ago, when I was 91 00:04:20,140 --> 00:04:22,080 up there, we had a work going up 92 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,100 there, we had a bookmobile touring around the 93 00:04:24,100 --> 00:04:25,920 Indian reservations on that peninsula. 94 00:04:26,280 --> 00:04:27,320 Eleven different tribes. 95 00:04:28,300 --> 00:04:29,900 We found in one of them that two 96 00:04:29,900 --> 00:04:32,380 of the missionaries came in one summer and 97 00:04:32,380 --> 00:04:36,660 took over an old abandoned house and set 98 00:04:36,660 --> 00:04:38,900 up housekeeping there and went out, and all 99 00:04:38,900 --> 00:04:40,360 they were interested in was youngsters. 100 00:04:41,980 --> 00:04:43,940 They put them on parties, they put them 101 00:04:43,940 --> 00:04:47,420 fishing, they put them on hikes, and got 102 00:04:47,420 --> 00:04:48,440 well acquainted with them. 103 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,480 At the end of the summer, they took 104 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,060 seven of them, ten-year-olds, over to 105 00:04:53,060 --> 00:04:57,380 Utah and adopted them into Mormon homes. 106 00:04:58,140 --> 00:05:00,300 There they would get an education under Mormon 107 00:05:00,300 --> 00:05:01,220 schoolteachers. 108 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,860 With the prospect that ten years later they 109 00:05:03,860 --> 00:05:05,460 would come back to their own tribe, the 110 00:05:05,460 --> 00:05:10,060 Philly tribe, as full-fledged Mormon elders or 111 00:05:10,060 --> 00:05:10,580 missionaries. 112 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:12,680 They called themselves elders. 113 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,400 I always smiled at that. 114 00:05:15,660 --> 00:05:17,360 A few nights ago I was talking to 115 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:18,800 one of them, and I said, what's your 116 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:19,420 first name? 117 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:20,700 He didn't want to tell me his first 118 00:05:20,700 --> 00:05:20,860 name. 119 00:05:20,900 --> 00:05:23,420 I'm Elder Jones, whatever it was. 120 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,280 And I said, why don't you call yourself 121 00:05:26,280 --> 00:05:26,620 an elder? 122 00:05:26,820 --> 00:05:29,180 I said, are you maybe 19 or 20? 123 00:05:29,180 --> 00:05:29,820 He said, yes. 124 00:05:30,260 --> 00:05:32,120 I said, are you married? 125 00:05:33,100 --> 00:05:33,540 No. 126 00:05:34,860 --> 00:05:36,480 They don't permit you to get married on 127 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:36,960 our mission. 128 00:05:37,900 --> 00:05:39,020 Have you any children? 129 00:05:39,280 --> 00:05:40,600 Of course, this was a silly question. 130 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:41,780 He said, no. 131 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,820 I said, well, then how do you qualify 132 00:05:44,820 --> 00:05:45,400 as an elder? 133 00:05:45,460 --> 00:05:47,420 Because an elder would be the husband of 134 00:05:47,420 --> 00:05:51,060 one wife with children in succession to her. 135 00:05:52,020 --> 00:05:53,840 Oh, well, he said, we don't consider that 136 00:05:53,840 --> 00:05:54,720 in our church. 137 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,640 I said, forget about that. 138 00:05:57,740 --> 00:05:58,860 Just call yourself elder. 139 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:00,380 As far as I'm concerned, I'll call you 140 00:06:00,380 --> 00:06:02,100 Jim, or whatever your first name is. 141 00:06:02,900 --> 00:06:06,560 Well, he didn't like my condescending manner, I 142 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:06,860 guess. 143 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:11,420 But I couldn't penetrate his thick hide with 144 00:06:11,420 --> 00:06:11,940 the gospel. 145 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,280 He just was impervious to it. 146 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:19,240 But this is the people who are so 147 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:20,160 active in the field. 148 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,060 There are 30,000 of them throughout the 149 00:06:22,060 --> 00:06:24,300 world today, of the Chiboku missionaries. 150 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,280 10,000 of them in the seven southwest, 151 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:28,460 southeastern states. 152 00:06:29,780 --> 00:06:31,500 10,000 missionaries right now. 153 00:06:32,220 --> 00:06:34,120 This is where they're making a big deal. 154 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,400 They're wanting this to be a target area. 155 00:06:36,900 --> 00:06:38,960 And they will open their temple in Atlanta, 156 00:06:39,580 --> 00:06:41,460 I think, later this year, scheduled. 157 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,980 And they wanted to have 100,000 new 158 00:06:44,980 --> 00:06:46,440 members by that time. 159 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:48,480 Well, they've gotten well over 100,000 already, 160 00:06:48,540 --> 00:06:49,780 and they had several months to grow. 161 00:06:50,580 --> 00:06:53,540 And they're all coming out of established churches. 162 00:06:54,300 --> 00:06:55,780 They don't go out in the world and 163 00:06:55,780 --> 00:06:56,780 get non-church people. 164 00:06:56,820 --> 00:06:58,260 They aren't interested in that. 165 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,380 They want to get people from the established 166 00:07:01,380 --> 00:07:01,880 churches. 167 00:07:02,060 --> 00:07:03,500 Of course, all they get is the fringe 168 00:07:03,500 --> 00:07:07,400 people who are not solid in their denominational 169 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,460 affiliation, and not sound, certainly, in the gospel. 170 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:11,580 I wouldn't fall for it. 171 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:14,740 All of which is leading up to the 172 00:07:14,740 --> 00:07:15,220 tactics. 173 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:16,800 That they're using. 174 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,580 On one occasion, I was in a home, 175 00:07:23,740 --> 00:07:26,220 sort of a two-family affair. 176 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:28,920 There was a Navajo Indian couple living in 177 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:29,380 one end. 178 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:33,060 And I guess it was the ones I 179 00:07:33,060 --> 00:07:34,060 was visiting in the other end. 180 00:07:34,140 --> 00:07:35,680 But you could hear them telling the story. 181 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:37,800 Two more missionaries telling the story to these 182 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:38,560 Navajo people. 183 00:07:39,420 --> 00:07:41,640 And they just stated, it was your ancestors 184 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:42,800 that wrote the Book of Mormon. 185 00:07:44,910 --> 00:07:47,110 So I listened very carefully and heard all 186 00:07:47,110 --> 00:07:48,610 that they had to say, and I encountered 187 00:07:48,610 --> 00:07:49,490 them on their way out. 188 00:07:49,570 --> 00:07:52,090 I said, don't you realize that the Navajo 189 00:07:52,090 --> 00:07:54,690 Indians couldn't have written the Book of Mormon 190 00:07:54,690 --> 00:07:56,850 because they didn't come to America that early. 191 00:07:57,290 --> 00:08:00,190 And they didn't come into Arizona until about 192 00:08:00,190 --> 00:08:01,070 the time of Columbus. 193 00:08:01,930 --> 00:08:03,330 They couldn't have been the ones who wrote 194 00:08:03,330 --> 00:08:03,910 the Book of Mormon. 195 00:08:05,490 --> 00:08:07,950 And I gave them a few facts, and 196 00:08:07,950 --> 00:08:11,670 they said, well, you seem to know a 197 00:08:11,670 --> 00:08:13,530 great deal about this, but we'd rather believe 198 00:08:13,530 --> 00:08:14,090 our prophets. 199 00:08:15,570 --> 00:08:17,530 In other words, don't confuse me with the 200 00:08:17,530 --> 00:08:17,850 facts. 201 00:08:18,130 --> 00:08:19,410 Mine's already made up. 202 00:08:21,010 --> 00:08:23,810 Well, I was in Alaska this last summer, 203 00:08:24,450 --> 00:08:27,630 and in Ketchikan I had a meeting. 204 00:08:28,470 --> 00:08:31,429 And a very fine, tainted Indian woman came 205 00:08:31,429 --> 00:08:34,250 up to me after the meeting, a rather 206 00:08:34,250 --> 00:08:37,830 large, boisterous person, and a very delightful person. 207 00:08:38,190 --> 00:08:39,909 She said, they came and they told me 208 00:08:39,909 --> 00:08:41,490 it was my ancestors that wrote the Book 209 00:08:41,490 --> 00:08:41,890 of Mormon. 210 00:08:41,890 --> 00:08:43,190 I laughed in her face. 211 00:08:44,770 --> 00:08:47,630 Well, to be sure, the Tlingit Indians were 212 00:08:47,630 --> 00:08:50,590 never south of latitude 55, which is about 213 00:08:50,590 --> 00:08:51,810 the southern tip of Alaska. 214 00:08:52,790 --> 00:08:54,530 So they couldn't have been the ones to 215 00:08:54,530 --> 00:08:56,030 write the Book of Mormon, which was written 216 00:08:56,030 --> 00:08:58,650 in Central America, according to Mormons. 217 00:08:59,210 --> 00:09:01,950 I went further north, and in the meeting 218 00:09:01,950 --> 00:09:04,530 there was a delightful little native person at 219 00:09:04,530 --> 00:09:07,390 the piano, and she sounded like she had 220 00:09:07,390 --> 00:09:08,530 studied at Juilliard. 221 00:09:08,530 --> 00:09:11,790 She had usually just zipped from her fingers, 222 00:09:11,990 --> 00:09:13,930 and I thought, here's another Tlingit that has 223 00:09:13,930 --> 00:09:14,510 to study this. 224 00:09:14,650 --> 00:09:16,630 So I asked her, I'm an Eskimo. 225 00:09:18,090 --> 00:09:19,530 I asked her about the Mormons. 226 00:09:19,690 --> 00:09:21,370 Oh yes, they told me it was my 227 00:09:21,370 --> 00:09:22,990 ancestors that wrote the Book of Mormon. 228 00:09:24,330 --> 00:09:26,070 So the Eskimos were never south of the 229 00:09:26,070 --> 00:09:28,170 Arctic Circle in the old days, except over 230 00:09:28,170 --> 00:09:29,990 in Labrador, they got a little further south. 231 00:09:30,430 --> 00:09:33,190 But certainly, they weren't illiterate people, and they 232 00:09:33,190 --> 00:09:38,790 didn't write any books, especially about their ancestors, 233 00:09:38,870 --> 00:09:40,910 the ancestors of the southern Tlingits. 234 00:09:41,710 --> 00:09:43,310 Well, all of this, by the way, these 235 00:09:43,310 --> 00:09:44,850 are the situations we run into. 236 00:09:45,150 --> 00:09:47,290 We run into some very interesting ones. 237 00:09:48,910 --> 00:09:51,710 Now, tonight, I want to continue a little 238 00:09:51,710 --> 00:09:54,950 to finish up what we were talking about 239 00:09:54,950 --> 00:09:55,630 last night. 240 00:09:56,510 --> 00:09:58,610 We were talking about the doctrine of God, 241 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:06,380 and we talked about the Holy Spirit, who 242 00:10:06,380 --> 00:10:12,540 then, an influence, not a person, sort of 243 00:10:12,540 --> 00:10:18,660 an abstract influence, which they, in their baptismal 244 00:10:18,660 --> 00:10:24,210 ceremonies, the elder who is baptizing the candidates, 245 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:26,800 baptizes them and lays his hand on them 246 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:28,860 to administer the Holy Ghost to them. 247 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,600 Which is blasphemy of the worst kind. 248 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,520 But this is their practice, and they do 249 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,540 this to every convert who comes into the 250 00:10:37,540 --> 00:10:38,120 Mormon Church. 251 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,520 Well, we studied this last night about the 252 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:42,040 Holy Spirit. 253 00:10:42,100 --> 00:10:44,900 We studied about the person of God, how 254 00:10:44,900 --> 00:10:46,840 that they insist that God the Heavenly Father 255 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,300 is an exalted man, a second born, who 256 00:10:50,300 --> 00:10:54,120 has an exalted wife, a Mrs. God, shall 257 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:58,140 we say, and they are occupied with the 258 00:10:58,140 --> 00:11:00,880 procreation of spirit children. 259 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,380 This is their destiny, their life. 260 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,900 To produce spirit children, and these spirit children, 261 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,620 in turn, are given to human birth. 262 00:11:12,700 --> 00:11:14,540 Whenever a human birth occurs, one of these 263 00:11:14,540 --> 00:11:17,380 spirits is drawn from this heavenly stockpile and 264 00:11:17,380 --> 00:11:20,620 put into the current birth here upon the 265 00:11:20,620 --> 00:11:20,900 earth. 266 00:11:20,900 --> 00:11:24,880 Which, of course, is an ancient heresy, that 267 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,200 we all existed before a spirit being. 268 00:11:29,100 --> 00:11:31,280 Therefore, we are all sons of God, because 269 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,580 it is our Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother 270 00:11:33,580 --> 00:11:36,920 who produced us in the celestial region. 271 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:38,860 Then we grew up in the celestial region, 272 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,580 finally we were given a physical body when 273 00:11:41,580 --> 00:11:44,260 we were born, and we continue on in 274 00:11:44,260 --> 00:11:48,800 this period of probation through life, then at 275 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,640 the end of death, if we have achieved 276 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,320 enough, if we have done enough good work 277 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:56,860 and fulfilled the commandments and so forth, we 278 00:11:56,860 --> 00:12:00,260 ascend to one of several different areas. 279 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,580 The final one, of course, is the celestial 280 00:12:03,580 --> 00:12:05,860 region where they say we return to our 281 00:12:05,860 --> 00:12:07,760 Father and our God. 282 00:12:08,540 --> 00:12:10,540 This we brought up last night. 283 00:12:10,560 --> 00:12:12,480 This is their concept of God. 284 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,260 And, of course, our Heavenly Father and Heavenly 285 00:12:15,260 --> 00:12:17,300 Mother had a Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother 286 00:12:17,300 --> 00:12:18,000 before them. 287 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:20,360 They, in turn, had a Heavenly Father and 288 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,140 Heavenly Mother before them, and so on ad 289 00:12:22,140 --> 00:12:26,020 infinitum, until the writer of that particular statement 290 00:12:26,020 --> 00:12:30,180 said, we wonder who begat the first Father 291 00:12:30,180 --> 00:12:31,700 and created the first world. 292 00:12:32,420 --> 00:12:34,100 Which is sort of a question to solve. 293 00:12:34,660 --> 00:12:36,660 To push it back far enough into infinity, 294 00:12:36,820 --> 00:12:38,800 of course, it gets away from us. 295 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:45,420 But that's their theory of advancement. 296 00:12:45,860 --> 00:12:47,960 It's nothing more or less than a form 297 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:52,340 of reincarnation and animism, for that matter. 298 00:12:52,740 --> 00:12:55,680 We find that practically all of the Pharisees 299 00:12:55,680 --> 00:12:58,700 saw in monotheism. 300 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,220 Going back to this one of the spirits, 301 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:07,200 the pre-existent spirits, the only Churchman of 302 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,860 history was Orison, who believed this. 303 00:13:11,020 --> 00:13:13,960 He is not considered as being very orthodox 304 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:17,100 in some of his parts, but this was 305 00:13:17,100 --> 00:13:17,840 his spirit. 306 00:13:18,340 --> 00:13:20,580 I don't know of any group of Christians 307 00:13:20,580 --> 00:13:22,560 that have ever held this doctrine. 308 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,860 They did, and they borrowed it from somebody 309 00:13:24,860 --> 00:13:25,160 else. 310 00:13:26,220 --> 00:13:28,260 But no, we didn't get a chance to 311 00:13:28,260 --> 00:13:31,560 talk about their concept of Jesus Christ, who 312 00:13:31,560 --> 00:13:34,340 is he, and what is his work. 313 00:13:37,430 --> 00:13:43,540 Now, in the first place, let me say 314 00:13:43,540 --> 00:13:43,920 this. 315 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:53,240 They believed that he was the spirit brother 316 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:57,740 of Satan, one of these pre-existent spirits, 317 00:13:58,740 --> 00:14:01,740 who was given a body that Mother Mary, 318 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,960 who was his mother, they acknowledge this. 319 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,380 They say she was the virgin, the term 320 00:14:11,380 --> 00:14:14,300 they allow, but they say he was begotten 321 00:14:14,300 --> 00:14:18,860 by a resurrected Heavenly Father who took a 322 00:14:18,860 --> 00:14:22,620 body and with Mary produced a child Jesus. 323 00:14:24,580 --> 00:14:28,640 If this Heavenly Father was the father of 324 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,720 her spirit, this would obviously be an incestuous 325 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,600 relationship that produced Jesus Christ as a man. 326 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:43,640 Now, in the teaching of the Mormon Church, 327 00:14:43,740 --> 00:14:45,320 you have a section in this book, The 328 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:49,600 Doctrine and Covenants, which was written in 1844 329 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:54,580 and partially led to the assassination of Joseph 330 00:14:54,580 --> 00:14:55,000 Smith. 331 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,380 The Church didn't want the Doctrine and Covenants. 332 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,500 Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Peter Kimball, three of 333 00:15:03,500 --> 00:15:04,980 the leaders of the Church and a few 334 00:15:04,980 --> 00:15:07,580 others, were so heavily involved with too many 335 00:15:07,580 --> 00:15:09,760 women at the time it was leaking out, 336 00:15:10,260 --> 00:15:12,680 Joseph Smith decided to get a revelation from 337 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:14,180 God that it was all right to have 338 00:15:14,180 --> 00:15:16,020 more than one wife and to have wives 339 00:15:16,020 --> 00:15:18,200 healed to you for eternity. 340 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,320 If you couldn't have them in this life, 341 00:15:21,420 --> 00:15:23,220 you could at least have them healed in 342 00:15:23,220 --> 00:15:23,920 eternity. 343 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,200 Actually, it was one of the most corrupt 344 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,420 periods of the Mormon Church, morally corrupt. 345 00:15:31,420 --> 00:15:35,260 Joseph Smith got a revelation which is one 346 00:15:35,260 --> 00:15:37,900 of the longest revelations in the book. 347 00:15:38,500 --> 00:15:43,600 Section 132 goes page after page, and it 348 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:49,160 establishes the idea that if we are going 349 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,420 to become God, we have to achieve in 350 00:15:52,420 --> 00:15:54,380 this life to the point where we have 351 00:15:54,380 --> 00:15:58,020 a wife or wives healed to us in 352 00:15:58,020 --> 00:16:00,400 the temple, and our children healed to us 353 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:00,900 in the temple. 354 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,280 Then when we die, we become God, and 355 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:06,920 we are assigned to a new planet and 356 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:12,200 we recreate it and populate it. 357 00:16:12,660 --> 00:16:14,880 And the more wives we have down here, 358 00:16:14,980 --> 00:16:16,840 the sooner we get started on our heavenly 359 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:17,320 attainment. 360 00:16:18,060 --> 00:16:20,240 He established all of this in that Doctrine, 361 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:22,800 using the name of the Lord. 362 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,640 For instance, he says, I am the Lord 363 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,580 thy God, and I give unto you this 364 00:16:27,580 --> 00:16:28,700 commandment, and so forth. 365 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,200 Thus saith the Lord your God. 366 00:16:32,900 --> 00:16:34,560 And all the way through, this is put 367 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,020 in the first person, God speaking, I the 368 00:16:37,020 --> 00:16:39,440 Lord say unto you, Joseph Smith, do this. 369 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:44,040 Well, it is so blasphemous to anyone who 370 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,040 knows the Lord and knows the truth of 371 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,960 Scripture, it is absolutely blasphemous that this man 372 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:50,940 would do such a thing as this. 373 00:16:50,940 --> 00:16:56,220 Incidentally, not long after he proposed that commandment, 374 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:00,340 he was shot to death, he and his 375 00:17:00,340 --> 00:17:01,120 brother Hyrum. 376 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:03,720 Incidentally, that was only one of the factors 377 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,300 that led to their death. 378 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,880 A newspaper had been published in Nauvoo, Illinois, 379 00:17:10,420 --> 00:17:12,900 by a group of dissident Mormons who didn't 380 00:17:12,900 --> 00:17:16,140 like this new revelation at all, and they 381 00:17:16,140 --> 00:17:19,500 published a newspaper, the Nauvoo Expositor. 382 00:17:19,500 --> 00:17:22,760 It came out and said some very unflattering 383 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:28,080 things about this new doctrine that wasn't supposed 384 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:32,320 to have been exposed at that time. 385 00:17:33,140 --> 00:17:34,840 They wanted to keep it for a little 386 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,840 while, but these editors just blurted it out 387 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:40,140 and published it in their paper. 388 00:17:41,140 --> 00:17:43,800 Joseph Smith called the city council together, and 389 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,740 they declared the newspaper a nuisance and proceeded 390 00:17:47,740 --> 00:17:50,720 to wreck the press and fire the press 391 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:52,400 and burn up all the copies of the 392 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:53,640 magazine or the paper. 393 00:17:54,820 --> 00:17:55,900 Two or three of them escaped. 394 00:17:56,700 --> 00:17:59,240 I have one of them, and there's nothing 395 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:03,280 in it but what, if Joseph Smith wanted 396 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,300 to, he could have sued for libel if 397 00:18:05,300 --> 00:18:06,940 there was anything liable at the time. 398 00:18:07,140 --> 00:18:08,740 In other facts, it was all perfectly true. 399 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:09,700 This was the trouble. 400 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:11,460 This is why you wrecked the press. 401 00:18:11,460 --> 00:18:15,840 Well, this led, partially, this was the one 402 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:17,620 thing on which they based their arrest. 403 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,740 He was, this is something you don't do 404 00:18:20,740 --> 00:18:24,140 in America, is destroy a press, a newspaper. 405 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:29,360 And so he was arrested, and a few 406 00:18:29,360 --> 00:18:31,960 days later he was shot to death by 407 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:33,900 a mob, as they say. 408 00:18:34,360 --> 00:18:36,440 They martyred him. 409 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,280 As a matter of fact, there were two 410 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:39,340 or three elements to this. 411 00:18:39,540 --> 00:18:42,640 This was his Mormon group, and the three 412 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:46,640 Natives were another group, because Joseph and Hyrum 413 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:50,460 Smith had been 32nd-degree Natives, and they 414 00:18:50,460 --> 00:18:54,440 incorporated a lot of their rituals into the 415 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:56,300 Mormon ritual. 416 00:18:57,380 --> 00:18:59,440 And the Natives didn't take a very good 417 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:03,340 view of that, and so the agitation kept 418 00:19:03,340 --> 00:19:04,140 swirling around. 419 00:19:04,260 --> 00:19:06,100 They finally got Joseph Smith and his brother 420 00:19:06,100 --> 00:19:08,060 off the town, out of the town of 421 00:19:08,060 --> 00:19:11,040 Dalvoo, into the neighboring town, and there they 422 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:15,140 mobbed, urged on by the existing Mormons and 423 00:19:15,140 --> 00:19:20,240 others to prevention, which they did. 424 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,740 So that's the story of the martyrdom of 425 00:19:24,740 --> 00:19:27,820 the Prophet, because of the things that he 426 00:19:27,820 --> 00:19:28,060 wrote. 427 00:19:28,060 --> 00:19:32,520 In this section, 132, it was established that 428 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:36,380 a man cannot become a god unless he 429 00:19:36,380 --> 00:19:39,680 is married, has children, and has them sealed 430 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,520 to him in the Mormon rite. 431 00:19:44,030 --> 00:19:46,650 So they say that Jesus couldn't become a 432 00:19:46,650 --> 00:19:52,370 god unless he was married and had children 433 00:19:52,370 --> 00:19:53,190 before he died. 434 00:19:53,990 --> 00:19:57,550 So they made up some more scriptures, some 435 00:19:57,550 --> 00:20:01,610 more doctrines, and one of their men, Orson 436 00:20:01,930 --> 00:20:08,750 Hyde, in the Journal of Discourses, chapter 81 437 00:20:08,750 --> 00:20:11,970 and 82 of Pages, gifts at the marriage 438 00:20:11,970 --> 00:20:14,630 at Cana of Galilee, Jesus was the bridegroom, 439 00:20:15,090 --> 00:20:17,390 and took unto him Martha, Mary, and the 440 00:20:17,390 --> 00:20:18,010 other Mary. 441 00:20:18,590 --> 00:20:19,970 This talks about our marriage. 442 00:20:19,970 --> 00:20:22,230 He says, If there was not attachment and 443 00:20:22,230 --> 00:20:25,590 familiarity between our Savior and these women, highly 444 00:20:25,590 --> 00:20:27,830 proper only in the relation of husband and 445 00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:30,210 wife, then we have no sense of propriety. 446 00:20:31,570 --> 00:20:32,330 He went on. 447 00:20:33,850 --> 00:20:36,510 If he never married, his intimacy with Mary 448 00:20:36,510 --> 00:20:39,490 and Martha and the other Mary also, whom 449 00:20:39,490 --> 00:20:42,510 Jesus loved, must have been highly unbecoming and 450 00:20:42,510 --> 00:20:44,230 improper, to say the least of it. 451 00:20:45,570 --> 00:20:46,450 Did he multiply? 452 00:20:46,650 --> 00:20:47,630 Did he see his seed? 453 00:20:47,630 --> 00:20:50,910 Did he know his father's will by complying 454 00:20:50,910 --> 00:20:51,310 with it? 455 00:20:51,550 --> 00:20:53,190 Others may do as they like, but I 456 00:20:53,190 --> 00:20:55,410 will not charge our Savior with neglect or 457 00:20:55,410 --> 00:20:57,810 transgression in this or any other duty. 458 00:20:58,090 --> 00:21:00,270 We say it was Jesus Christ who was 459 00:21:00,270 --> 00:21:02,230 married, for by whom he could see his 460 00:21:02,230 --> 00:21:03,570 seed before he was crucified. 461 00:21:04,270 --> 00:21:06,470 I shall here say that before the Savior 462 00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:08,830 died, he looked upon his own natural children 463 00:21:08,830 --> 00:21:10,630 as he looked upon ours." 464 00:21:10,630 --> 00:21:12,970 In other words, making Jesus a common palate, 465 00:21:13,170 --> 00:21:20,770 who was a spirit being and a brother 466 00:21:20,770 --> 00:21:21,590 of Satan. 467 00:21:21,730 --> 00:21:23,050 Now, this is the interesting thing. 468 00:21:23,110 --> 00:21:26,430 Satan and Jesus were the two firstborn spirits 469 00:21:26,430 --> 00:21:29,350 of the Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother, and 470 00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:30,910 those that are bigger than none have themselves 471 00:21:30,910 --> 00:21:31,690 Adam and Eve. 472 00:21:37,450 --> 00:21:40,350 The proposition was put to the two spirits 473 00:21:40,350 --> 00:21:43,470 to formulate a plan of salvation. 474 00:21:45,860 --> 00:21:49,020 Satan brought forth one that would have included 475 00:21:49,020 --> 00:21:53,660 the whosoever will method, and Ephesians 2, 8 476 00:21:53,660 --> 00:21:54,400 and 9. 477 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,000 Jesus proposed one that you had to work 478 00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:58,940 for your salvation. 479 00:22:01,610 --> 00:22:02,570 Jesus had a body. 480 00:22:02,570 --> 00:22:04,250 Satan didn't, he said. 481 00:22:04,870 --> 00:22:08,330 So Jesus would become a god eventually, and 482 00:22:08,330 --> 00:22:09,670 he got to be a god by this 483 00:22:09,670 --> 00:22:11,950 process of getting married to these women in 484 00:22:11,950 --> 00:22:12,550 the gospels. 485 00:22:13,690 --> 00:22:17,250 Now, this is Mormon doctrine. 486 00:22:18,690 --> 00:22:19,750 They won't tell you this. 487 00:22:19,790 --> 00:22:21,150 They won't come out and say this the 488 00:22:21,150 --> 00:22:22,250 first time they meet with you. 489 00:22:22,270 --> 00:22:24,350 In fact, they will refer to Jesus as 490 00:22:24,350 --> 00:22:26,630 the Savior, our Savior, and the one who 491 00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:28,110 died on the cross, the one who was 492 00:22:28,110 --> 00:22:29,070 born of the Virgin Mary. 493 00:22:29,090 --> 00:22:30,210 They'll say all of these things. 494 00:22:31,370 --> 00:22:33,110 But when you dig in and say, well, 495 00:22:33,130 --> 00:22:34,310 just what do you mean by this? 496 00:22:34,670 --> 00:22:36,530 Then they're struck, and they'll have to admit 497 00:22:36,530 --> 00:22:37,610 to all of this material. 498 00:22:39,230 --> 00:22:41,830 I brought this up in my lectures at 499 00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:44,170 the Church in Tennessee last week, and one 500 00:22:44,170 --> 00:22:48,010 of these men came to me afterwards, and 501 00:22:48,010 --> 00:22:52,010 he said, Did you say that Jesus and 502 00:22:52,010 --> 00:22:53,110 Satan were spirit brothers? 503 00:22:53,450 --> 00:22:54,070 I said, Yes. 504 00:22:54,130 --> 00:22:55,550 That's what your writings tell us. 505 00:22:56,030 --> 00:22:57,450 He said, I don't think we believe that. 506 00:22:58,110 --> 00:23:00,370 So I showed him chapter and verse in 507 00:23:00,370 --> 00:23:03,770 what they had, their Pearl of Great Price 508 00:23:03,770 --> 00:23:05,470 and the Book of Moses, how these two 509 00:23:05,470 --> 00:23:07,730 bide with each other to perform the labor 510 00:23:07,730 --> 00:23:08,590 way of salvation. 511 00:23:09,470 --> 00:23:10,190 I said, There you are. 512 00:23:10,250 --> 00:23:11,530 Well, he said, I didn't know that he 513 00:23:11,530 --> 00:23:12,070 thought that. 514 00:23:12,750 --> 00:23:13,990 He was one of the two that he 515 00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:14,350 listened to. 516 00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:16,790 In fact, there are many things that these 517 00:23:16,790 --> 00:23:17,770 young fellows don't know. 518 00:23:18,330 --> 00:23:19,870 I've yet to find one of them that 519 00:23:19,870 --> 00:23:23,570 can recite the first verse of the Book 520 00:23:23,570 --> 00:23:23,970 of Mormon. 521 00:23:24,910 --> 00:23:26,950 I can recite the first verse of the 522 00:23:26,950 --> 00:23:28,890 Bible, and I guess you can. 523 00:23:29,910 --> 00:23:31,990 Now, that's really a sort of a tricky 524 00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:32,650 proposition. 525 00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:36,950 You're going to read the first verse of 526 00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:37,490 the Book of Mormon. 527 00:23:38,150 --> 00:23:39,550 Are there any English teachers present? 528 00:23:41,130 --> 00:23:42,650 Any teachers present? 529 00:23:44,290 --> 00:23:47,850 Well, you'll remember, if you can make sense 530 00:23:47,850 --> 00:23:52,950 out of this verse and its construction, standpoint 531 00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:55,950 of grammar, I'll give you a level netting. 532 00:23:57,490 --> 00:23:58,350 So that's how it goes. 533 00:23:58,610 --> 00:24:02,850 I, Nephi, having been born of goodly parents, 534 00:24:02,950 --> 00:24:05,250 therefore I was taught somewhat in all the 535 00:24:05,250 --> 00:24:08,950 learning of my father, and having seen many 536 00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:11,490 afflictions in the course of my days, nevertheless 537 00:24:11,490 --> 00:24:13,970 having been highly favored of the Lord in 538 00:24:13,970 --> 00:24:16,610 all my days, yea, having had a great 539 00:24:16,610 --> 00:24:18,730 knowledge of the goodness and the mysteries of 540 00:24:18,730 --> 00:24:21,010 God, therefore I make a record of my 541 00:24:21,010 --> 00:24:22,370 proceedings in my days. 542 00:24:25,070 --> 00:24:25,790 Verse 1. 543 00:24:28,610 --> 00:24:30,750 He probably could have said it in ten 544 00:24:30,750 --> 00:24:33,410 words or less, besides. 545 00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:38,710 Now, here's another little paragraph on this, the 546 00:24:38,710 --> 00:24:40,770 doctrine of Jesus Christ. 547 00:24:41,770 --> 00:24:44,050 The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior 548 00:24:44,050 --> 00:24:46,750 of the world was contested by one of 549 00:24:46,750 --> 00:24:48,070 the other sons of God. 550 00:24:48,490 --> 00:24:51,290 He was called Lucifer, son of the Mormon. 551 00:24:51,670 --> 00:24:56,850 Haughty, ambitious, and covetous of power and glory, 552 00:24:57,130 --> 00:25:01,010 this dear brother of Jesus desperately tried to 553 00:25:01,010 --> 00:25:02,910 become the Savior of mankind. 554 00:25:03,810 --> 00:25:04,470 He failed. 555 00:25:15,700 --> 00:25:17,700 I think that's all we need to say 556 00:25:17,700 --> 00:25:18,340 about that. 557 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:20,880 That's the concept of the son. 558 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,900 The father, a person who is a second 559 00:25:23,900 --> 00:25:27,480 -born, who has a wife or wives, and 560 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,220 they are producing spirit children. 561 00:25:30,260 --> 00:25:33,560 The Holy Spirit, an influence which is administered 562 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:38,300 by the hands of a priest to the 563 00:25:38,300 --> 00:25:42,840 new candidate at his baptism, which supposedly lasts 564 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:43,580 him through life. 565 00:25:44,980 --> 00:25:48,480 This priest of the Mormon Church may be 566 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,540 a used car dealer during the day, but 567 00:25:50,540 --> 00:25:53,220 he's a priest in the church at night. 568 00:25:57,750 --> 00:26:05,890 And then, Jesus Christ, the product of a 569 00:26:05,890 --> 00:26:08,170 polygamous society. 570 00:26:11,380 --> 00:26:15,780 I have one question that I think I'm 571 00:26:15,780 --> 00:26:16,600 going to say. 572 00:26:19,380 --> 00:26:21,460 There's a question to ask the Mormon folks 573 00:26:21,460 --> 00:26:23,420 here tonight, and I was going to give 574 00:26:23,420 --> 00:26:24,520 them a special story. 575 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:26,080 But I'll say that. 576 00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:27,680 I'll give it to you before we get 577 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:27,920 through. 578 00:26:28,100 --> 00:26:29,700 Some of them want to come, so I'll 579 00:26:29,700 --> 00:26:30,720 say this for him. 580 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,680 He's saying you're a trickery, old man. 581 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:37,900 Well, maybe so. 582 00:26:38,420 --> 00:26:39,580 You have to be. 583 00:26:39,900 --> 00:26:40,960 You have to be. 584 00:26:56,220 --> 00:26:58,920 Here's some more material on the person of 585 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,680 Christ, on the Incarnation, the Mormon view. 586 00:27:02,740 --> 00:27:05,180 Jesus is man's spiritual brother. 587 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,140 We dwell with him in the spirit world 588 00:27:08,140 --> 00:27:12,280 as members of that large society of eternal 589 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,260 intelligences, which included our Heavenly Parents and all 590 00:27:16,260 --> 00:27:19,220 the prophesies who have become mortal beings upon 591 00:27:19,220 --> 00:27:21,260 the earth or wherever come to dwell. 592 00:27:22,060 --> 00:27:25,480 In the spirit creation, when we became children 593 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,440 of God, Jesus was the firstborn, and he 594 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:29,720 was our eldest brother. 595 00:27:30,500 --> 00:27:33,040 He was the most intelligent, the most faithful, 596 00:27:33,140 --> 00:27:35,020 and the most God-like of all the 597 00:27:35,020 --> 00:27:37,100 sons and daughters of our Heavenly Father in 598 00:27:37,100 --> 00:27:37,920 the spirit world. 599 00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:44,530 Not the eternal ones who made flesh, but 600 00:27:44,530 --> 00:27:45,050 rather man. 601 00:27:46,770 --> 00:27:50,010 Jesus became a God and reached his great 602 00:27:50,010 --> 00:27:53,470 state of understanding through consistent effort and continuous 603 00:27:53,470 --> 00:27:57,190 obedience to all the gospel truth and universal 604 00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:57,910 law. 605 00:28:01,420 --> 00:28:03,580 Jesus is not the father of the spirits 606 00:28:03,580 --> 00:28:05,620 who have taken or will take bodies, for 607 00:28:05,620 --> 00:28:06,520 he is one of them. 608 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:08,460 He is the son, and they are the 609 00:28:08,460 --> 00:28:10,200 daughters of all of him. 610 00:28:11,340 --> 00:28:13,540 As for the devil and his fellow spirit, 611 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,320 they are brothers to man and also to 612 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,500 Jesus, and sons and daughters of God in 613 00:28:18,500 --> 00:28:19,780 the same sense that we are. 614 00:28:22,900 --> 00:28:25,980 When the Virgin Mary conceived the child Jesus, 615 00:28:26,060 --> 00:28:27,960 he was not forgotten by the Holy Ghost, 616 00:28:28,420 --> 00:28:29,440 and he is his father. 617 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,480 He is the first of the human family. 618 00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:34,400 Jesus, our elder brother, was begotten in the 619 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,300 flesh by the same parrot who lives in 620 00:28:36,300 --> 00:28:38,940 the Garden of Eden." 621 00:28:38,940 --> 00:28:44,300 So there you have the story of the 622 00:28:44,300 --> 00:28:47,000 person of Jesus' flesh during the estimation of 623 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:47,700 the Mormon Church. 624 00:28:47,700 --> 00:28:54,400 He was a polygamist who had to become 625 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,140 a polygamist before he could become a God. 626 00:29:03,500 --> 00:29:07,030 Now, while we have our Book of Mormon 627 00:29:07,030 --> 00:29:10,290 here, I'm going to spend some time on 628 00:29:10,290 --> 00:29:14,770 this book so that you can evaluate it 629 00:29:14,770 --> 00:29:16,030 if you ever get your hands on a 630 00:29:16,030 --> 00:29:16,270 copy. 631 00:29:17,230 --> 00:29:20,330 Though it hasn't paid to do so, they've 632 00:29:20,330 --> 00:29:21,530 never sold any of these. 633 00:29:21,530 --> 00:29:23,870 They've never seen it offered in a bookstore, 634 00:29:24,150 --> 00:29:26,270 and yet they have published millions of them. 635 00:29:26,830 --> 00:29:30,090 At one period, it was the second-bestseller 636 00:29:30,090 --> 00:29:32,830 for a whole year. 637 00:29:33,230 --> 00:29:35,190 That is, it wasn't a seller, but it 638 00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:37,190 was published in such numbers that it was 639 00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:39,310 viable in distribution. 640 00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:45,670 Now, in the first place, the book is, 641 00:29:45,950 --> 00:29:49,410 as I suppose to have been, the product 642 00:29:49,410 --> 00:29:54,590 of the inhabitants of America in a period 643 00:29:54,590 --> 00:29:57,030 of two histories. 644 00:29:58,570 --> 00:30:01,090 I'll give you a little outline of what 645 00:30:01,090 --> 00:30:02,270 the book consists of. 646 00:30:03,150 --> 00:30:06,130 The first place, the second place in Jerusalem 647 00:30:06,130 --> 00:30:10,730 at the time of the Babylonian siege of 648 00:30:10,730 --> 00:30:12,590 Jerusalem of the United States of America. 649 00:30:13,630 --> 00:30:19,330 One family of Manassites escaped from Jerusalem, from 650 00:30:19,330 --> 00:30:24,330 the siege of Jerusalem, and traveled across the 651 00:30:24,330 --> 00:30:27,790 desert to the Persian Gulf and there built 652 00:30:27,790 --> 00:30:32,110 a ship to sail to the New World. 653 00:30:32,190 --> 00:30:36,450 This was in 590 B.C. They arrived 654 00:30:36,450 --> 00:30:39,170 on the shores of America and set up 655 00:30:39,170 --> 00:30:41,710 a civilization composed of two nations. 656 00:30:41,950 --> 00:30:44,570 They split off very soon after they arrived 657 00:30:44,570 --> 00:30:48,810 and became two rival nations, and these rival 658 00:30:48,810 --> 00:30:51,970 nations are the ancestors of the American Indians. 659 00:30:52,790 --> 00:30:55,230 They settled up the North American continent. 660 00:30:56,810 --> 00:31:02,530 They ignore the South American continent, which does 661 00:31:02,530 --> 00:31:05,090 give them some problems, and they start to 662 00:31:05,090 --> 00:31:06,310 really just ignore this. 663 00:31:07,170 --> 00:31:11,330 And then they established a great civilization in 664 00:31:11,330 --> 00:31:14,890 Latin America, and the old ruins that we 665 00:31:14,890 --> 00:31:17,810 have there are supposed to have been the 666 00:31:17,810 --> 00:31:19,490 buildings, the temples, that they built. 667 00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:25,550 Then, at the time of Christ, Jesus came 668 00:31:25,550 --> 00:31:28,550 to America and appeared to them in 53 669 00:31:28,550 --> 00:31:32,830 A.D., after his resurrection, and established a 670 00:31:32,830 --> 00:31:40,490 church in ancient America, appointed prophet and repeatedly 671 00:31:40,490 --> 00:31:45,890 affirmed the mount, and the Lord's Prayer, and 672 00:31:45,890 --> 00:31:49,050 a few other things, quoting John the King 673 00:31:49,050 --> 00:31:53,090 James Version of the English Bible, and established 674 00:31:53,090 --> 00:31:55,030 a church which is supposed to have lasted 675 00:31:55,030 --> 00:31:56,810 for 200 years. 676 00:31:57,330 --> 00:32:01,790 Then, finally, the apostasy set in, and the 677 00:32:01,790 --> 00:32:04,430 ancient Americans became the presidents that they are, 678 00:32:04,490 --> 00:32:07,310 and the whole story ends at 421 A 679 00:32:07,310 --> 00:32:15,790 .D. The interesting thing that starts in all 680 00:32:15,790 --> 00:32:18,410 of the activity, all of the action in 681 00:32:18,410 --> 00:32:20,890 the Book of Mormon, takes place either on 682 00:32:20,890 --> 00:32:22,890 the way to America or after they were 683 00:32:22,890 --> 00:32:25,850 in America, in Latin America, what we call 684 00:32:25,850 --> 00:32:28,850 Latin America, or naval America, as we call 685 00:32:28,850 --> 00:32:29,350 it sometimes. 686 00:32:32,350 --> 00:32:36,950 Then, in the last few chapters, for some 687 00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:39,010 magical reason, we find them all up in 688 00:32:39,010 --> 00:32:39,770 New York City. 689 00:32:41,710 --> 00:32:44,770 The Nephites were up there surrounding the hill 690 00:32:44,770 --> 00:32:46,670 of Palmyra in New York. 691 00:32:46,770 --> 00:32:49,430 I've been there several times and explored it 692 00:32:49,430 --> 00:32:51,510 and tried to find some significance to it. 693 00:32:52,610 --> 00:32:55,010 But the king of the Nephites wrote to 694 00:32:55,010 --> 00:32:56,630 the king of the Lamanites, who is still 695 00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:59,470 down in Latin America, and invited them to 696 00:32:59,470 --> 00:33:02,930 come up there to join battle, all the 697 00:33:02,930 --> 00:33:07,030 way from Guatemala to New York City. 698 00:33:07,250 --> 00:33:08,810 In the past, there were a hundred places 699 00:33:08,810 --> 00:33:10,830 which were far better battlegrounds, as far as 700 00:33:10,830 --> 00:33:12,930 that goes, but they had to have the 701 00:33:12,930 --> 00:33:14,570 thing up in New York City so that 702 00:33:14,570 --> 00:33:16,390 the golden place could be hid there on 703 00:33:16,390 --> 00:33:18,150 the Smith's Pond, which is where George Smith 704 00:33:18,150 --> 00:33:18,690 was founded. 705 00:33:20,090 --> 00:33:23,210 At any rate, the last battle has all 706 00:33:23,210 --> 00:33:24,990 of the Lamanites on the top of this 707 00:33:24,990 --> 00:33:29,330 hill of Palmyra, about 230,000 in arms. 708 00:33:30,050 --> 00:33:32,450 On the fifth morning, they swoop down the 709 00:33:32,450 --> 00:33:37,470 hillside and destroy the 230,000 Nephites, leaving 710 00:33:37,470 --> 00:33:39,830 only a handful of them, including Mormon and 711 00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:40,230 Moroni. 712 00:33:40,910 --> 00:33:45,750 Well, at Hilltop, you couldn't get more than 713 00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:47,730 75 people on a ridge out to the 714 00:33:47,730 --> 00:33:48,210 side. 715 00:33:48,790 --> 00:33:51,130 They had a monument of Moroni up there, 716 00:33:51,370 --> 00:33:53,650 and they dozed off part of the cliff, 717 00:33:53,770 --> 00:33:55,690 though they didn't pass about 10 or 12 718 00:33:55,690 --> 00:33:58,010 cows there, on the road they're going up 719 00:33:58,010 --> 00:33:58,270 there. 720 00:33:58,670 --> 00:34:00,290 If anything, this is more than five-tenths 721 00:34:00,290 --> 00:34:03,710 of a mile long, and it's about 200 722 00:34:03,710 --> 00:34:05,350 feet high, and if you could keep these 723 00:34:05,350 --> 00:34:09,989 230,000 soldiers on that, if the clouds 724 00:34:09,989 --> 00:34:11,909 rose right at their foot, it is really 725 00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:16,030 that fantastic that we haven't been able to 726 00:34:16,030 --> 00:34:16,630 find pictures. 727 00:34:16,850 --> 00:34:19,090 There are 90 of 230,000 to be 728 00:34:19,090 --> 00:34:20,630 as large an army as ever has been 729 00:34:20,630 --> 00:34:22,770 deployed in any battlefield in the world's history. 730 00:34:22,770 --> 00:34:25,030 At one place, one time. 731 00:34:25,570 --> 00:34:30,730 Well, at that time, Moroni, the final writer 732 00:34:30,730 --> 00:34:34,810 in the Book of Mormon, inscribed all of 733 00:34:34,810 --> 00:34:37,730 the history of these thousand years or more 734 00:34:37,730 --> 00:34:39,190 on golden plates. 735 00:34:40,449 --> 00:34:44,489 In a book of golden plates about seven 736 00:34:44,489 --> 00:34:51,710 inches wide, eight inches high, six inches thick, 737 00:34:52,290 --> 00:34:55,270 of solid gold plates in the form of 738 00:34:55,270 --> 00:34:56,090 a ring binder. 739 00:34:57,370 --> 00:35:03,130 Well, they were buried in a chest on 740 00:35:03,130 --> 00:35:04,610 the Hill of Pomona. 741 00:35:07,590 --> 00:35:10,090 She used to go to my family tradition, 742 00:35:10,330 --> 00:35:12,970 she was a lady who lived up there. 743 00:35:13,330 --> 00:35:14,970 She said it's one of the traditions of 744 00:35:14,970 --> 00:35:17,310 our family, that the tribesmen's boys, or the 745 00:35:17,310 --> 00:35:19,530 shift, used to come across our town there. 746 00:35:20,170 --> 00:35:22,410 You'd see them, you'd be wandering around hunting 747 00:35:22,410 --> 00:35:23,630 treasures and so forth. 748 00:35:24,410 --> 00:35:27,510 So, that's probably localized, which is in my 749 00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:31,310 mind, to know somebody that saw him. 750 00:35:32,030 --> 00:35:40,590 But anyway, he inscribes this whole thing in 751 00:35:40,590 --> 00:35:41,730 the Egyptian language. 752 00:35:43,250 --> 00:35:45,170 I guess that's his deal, and he wrote 753 00:35:45,170 --> 00:35:48,790 them, inscribing a book this size on golden 754 00:35:48,790 --> 00:35:51,850 plates in the Egyptian language. 755 00:35:53,850 --> 00:35:56,530 It could only be translated by Joseph Smith 756 00:35:56,530 --> 00:35:58,690 by means of a pair of testicles and 757 00:35:58,690 --> 00:36:01,270 found that this was a golden plate. 758 00:36:02,070 --> 00:36:04,190 So, he took them on, and put them 759 00:36:04,190 --> 00:36:04,790 in his office. 760 00:36:04,930 --> 00:36:06,630 There were some of the judges that married 761 00:36:06,630 --> 00:36:06,810 him. 762 00:36:07,090 --> 00:36:10,630 They had a normal person that had put 763 00:36:10,630 --> 00:36:12,730 them on his face, which means that he 764 00:36:12,730 --> 00:36:14,530 was making grand out of this person. 765 00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:18,650 Hopefully, he was alive on the first day. 766 00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:20,910 But when he put them on his face, 767 00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:22,870 and he was putting them over the door, 768 00:36:23,770 --> 00:36:24,830 he said, let me come and get a 769 00:36:24,830 --> 00:36:25,350 golden plate. 770 00:36:25,550 --> 00:36:27,030 And he could use it in any way. 771 00:36:27,610 --> 00:36:30,110 When he did say he did, he inscribed 772 00:36:30,110 --> 00:36:31,810 himself on the other side of the prison, 773 00:36:32,210 --> 00:36:33,810 and wrote all down for himself. 774 00:36:34,570 --> 00:36:38,230 Well, this scribe, when he left the place 775 00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:43,290 eventually, and by request from Joseph Smith, he 776 00:36:43,290 --> 00:36:44,850 had some of the boys that had come 777 00:36:44,850 --> 00:36:48,090 to drive him out, he wrote his defense 778 00:36:48,090 --> 00:36:49,830 for having left the man in prison. 779 00:36:49,830 --> 00:36:54,850 And he said, as he transcribed his defense, 780 00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:56,690 he said, unless the two of you are 781 00:36:56,690 --> 00:36:58,570 here and out of our country, and if 782 00:36:58,570 --> 00:37:00,430 the two of us run around, and they 783 00:37:00,430 --> 00:37:02,910 get up today, they will come and take 784 00:37:02,910 --> 00:37:04,890 him from this golden plate to the place 785 00:37:04,890 --> 00:37:06,270 where no one will ever have it, to 786 00:37:06,270 --> 00:37:07,950 the place of their heaven in Jerusalem. 787 00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:12,290 Well, now this is a godly mission. 788 00:37:12,890 --> 00:37:16,030 And this man, incidentally, I told you that 789 00:37:16,030 --> 00:37:17,890 I wrote a letter to him about this 790 00:37:17,890 --> 00:37:19,190 coming of Jesus Christ as a human. 791 00:37:20,870 --> 00:37:24,250 Well, this was a probable cause of it. 792 00:37:24,410 --> 00:37:26,050 He made the statement that, that he must 793 00:37:26,050 --> 00:37:28,310 give me the wisdom, that I could be 794 00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:30,710 a theologian for this commission. 795 00:37:31,230 --> 00:37:32,670 He said to me that he did not, 796 00:37:32,910 --> 00:37:34,350 and he was told that he had to 797 00:37:34,350 --> 00:37:35,890 visit in his heart, which is so much 798 00:37:35,890 --> 00:37:37,250 like John the Baptist. 799 00:37:38,610 --> 00:37:40,370 Well, obviously, I said, I have to give 800 00:37:40,370 --> 00:37:42,130 you the wisdom, and he afflicted, he says, 801 00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:44,150 telling me to learn to be careful. 802 00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:44,410 I said, what do you like to do? 803 00:37:44,410 --> 00:37:44,510 Well, I said, I like to give you 804 00:37:44,510 --> 00:37:44,610 the wisdom, and he said, I like to 805 00:37:44,610 --> 00:37:44,710 learn to be careful. 806 00:37:45,890 --> 00:37:47,070 I said, what do you like to do? 807 00:37:47,210 --> 00:37:48,570 Well, I said, I like to give you 808 00:37:48,570 --> 00:37:50,630 the wisdom, and he said, I like to 809 00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:55,190 learn to be careful. 810 00:37:55,830 --> 00:37:56,870 I said, what do you like to do? 811 00:37:57,070 --> 00:37:57,170 Well, I said, I like to give you 812 00:37:57,170 --> 00:37:58,190 the wisdom, and he said, I like to 813 00:37:58,190 --> 00:37:58,310 learn to be careful. 814 00:37:59,070 --> 00:38:00,130 I said, what do you like to do? 815 00:38:00,130 --> 00:38:00,950 Well, I said, I like to give you 816 00:38:00,950 --> 00:38:01,850 the wisdom, and he said, I like to 817 00:38:01,850 --> 00:38:03,870 learn to be careful. 818 00:38:08,090 --> 00:38:10,310 I said, what do you like to do? 819 00:38:10,770 --> 00:38:12,290 Well, I said, I like to give you 820 00:38:12,290 --> 00:38:12,530 the wisdom, and he said, I like to 821 00:38:12,530 --> 00:38:13,270 learn to be careful. 822 00:38:14,130 --> 00:38:21,550 I said, what do 823 00:38:21,550 --> 00:38:32,970 you 824 00:38:32,970 --> 00:38:40,630 like to do? 825 00:38:42,050 --> 00:38:50,330 Well, I said, what do you like to 826 00:38:50,330 --> 00:38:50,750 do? 827 00:38:50,750 --> 00:39:00,270 Well, I said, I like to learn to 828 00:39:00,270 --> 00:39:00,490 be 829 00:39:00,490 --> 00:39:20,230 careful. 830 00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:26,790 I said, what do you like to do? 831 00:39:26,850 --> 00:39:27,270 Well, I said, I like to learn to 832 00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:27,630 be careful. 833 00:39:27,810 --> 00:39:27,930 I said, what do you like to do? 834 00:39:27,930 --> 00:39:28,030 I said, what do you like to do?