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My name is Kent Hovind.
I was a high school science teacher for
15 years and earned my doctorate in education.
I've been very concerned about education and particularly
the subject of the teaching of evolution and
creation in our public schools.
It's my great honor in the last 10
years to be an evangelist speaking on the
subject of creation and evolution and getting into
many, many hundreds of public schools and sharing
the most important topic of origins with the
kids there in public schools.
What I'd like to do in this tape
is cover two subjects.
Number one, we're going to talk about what
can be done.
What can teachers do in a public school?
What does the law say?
You know, what's right and what's wrong?
And then secondly, the second half of this
tape will be an actual presentation of me
speaking to about 700 students in a public
school.
And many teachers will use this tape to
show to their class the evidence for creation
and the evidence against evolution because I try
to avoid referring to God or the Bible,
though there's no reason that you can't.
I just purposely don't when I go speak
in public schools.
I'd like to say first of all that
most of the public school teachers that I
know are sincere, dedicated, professional people.
They are oftentimes very intelligent and very godly
people who want to do right.
My brother is a 28-year veteran teaching
in public schools.
My mom taught for 20 years and retired
from teaching public schools.
Many simply do not know that they can
teach creation science.
For some reason, people think that you can't
talk about creation or the Bible in the
public schools.
And I'd like to show you what the
law says and simply put that thought to
rest.
So what does the law say?
What can we teach anyway?
Well, to give you a little history, in
the 1800s when the public school system began
in the early 1800s, they used the Bible
as a curriculum book.
It was part of the classroom and teachers
were taught, students were taught straight from the
Bible.
They were taught about the Noah and the
flood and the whole story of creation.
There's no problem at all.
As the public school system began to grow
and spread around the country, people began to
include the evolution teaching, particularly about the mid
-1860s or 70s when Darwin's book started to
become popular.
Teachers began to include some of this in
their curriculum.
Then in the early 1920s, some states passed
laws requiring schools to not teach evolution.
The most famous, of course, is the Scopes
Monkey Trial.
The world's most famous court trial took place
in Dayton, Tennessee in 1925.
This is the actual transcript of the trial
right here.
What happened, Tennessee had passed a law that
says you cannot teach evolution.
There's a long story about that trial and
especially about the books that had been written
or the movie that was done since then
called Inherit the Wind, which is an absolute
perversion of what really happened.
I would recommend you actually read the court
transcript yourself, read it word for word.
Then as you watch the movie, you'll see
thousands of changes that were made purposely to
make the Christians and the Bible-believing people
or the creationists look dumb.
That's not at all what happened there in
Dayton, Tennessee that hot summer in 1925.
There's information you can get from Bryan College,
which was started in honor of William Jennings
Bryan, who was the man who defended the
teaching of creation and the exclusion of evolution
in that trial.
You could read what Mr. Bryan had to
say on the subject.
You can get the entire court case from
Bryan College, or you can get good information
from George Searle, who has written quite an
expose of the errors in the video and
the movie Inherit the Wind.
Please do not show that to your students.
Or if you do, give them some equal
time by showing creationist information.
You certainly can do that.
But in 1925, the evolutionists lost the case.
They lost that day.
Scopes, the teacher who claimed he taught evolution,
though he didn't know if he ever did
or not, Scopes was fined $100.
Later the fine was overturned on a technicality,
but the case was never overturned.
It remained against the law to teach evolution
in many states until 1968.
The last laws banning the teaching of evolution
were overturned in 1968.
And now it's okay to teach evolution.
It's always been okay to teach creation.
There's never been a law against it.
There are numerous impact articles put out by
the Institute for Creation Research.
They put these out.
They're $0.10 a piece, and they're up
to $350 something now.
So you could get all the back issues
for $35.
This goes through all the different things about
creation, evolution, and quite a few of these
impact articles deal just with the topic of
teaching creation in public schools.
It might be very helpful information to show
you that you can teach creation science in
your public school.
Even the evolutionists admit this.
It's never been against the law to teach
creation.
Stephen Jay Gould, a raving evolutionist, said, No
statute exists in any state to bar instruction
in creation science.
It could be taught before, and it can
be taught now.
So he knows it can be taught.
Evolutionary biologist Michael Zimmerman said, The Supreme Court
ruling did not in any way outlaw the
teaching of creation science in public school classrooms.
Quite simply, it ruled that in the form
taken by the Louisiana law, it is unconstitutional
to demand equal time for this particular subject.
Creation science can still be brought into science
classrooms if and when teachers and administrators feel
that it is appropriate.
Numerous surveys have shown that teachers and administrators
favor just this route.
And in fact, creation science is being taught
in science courses throughout the country.
So don't let somebody tell you you cannot
talk about creation in the classroom.
Yes, you certainly can.
Eugenia Scott, the president of the National Center
for Science Education, who I debated one time
on the radio, kind of a one-sided
debate.
I got about eight minutes and she got
about 45 minutes.
But Eugenia Scott, whose organization, the National Center
for Science Education, they exist to stop people
from teaching creation in the classrooms.
They put out pamphlets all the time, sending
them to public schools every place.
They're very well funded.
And they say, you know, don't teach creation
in the classrooms and only teach evolution in
the classrooms.
And there's really a lot of misinformation coming
out and teachers are just plain confused about
what to do.
But Eugenia Scott said, The Supreme Court decision
says only that the Louisiana law violates the
constitutional separation of church and state.
It does not say that no one can
teach scientific creation.
And unfortunately, many individual teachers do.
Some school districts even require equal time for
creation and evolution.
William Provine, quite a strong believer in evolution
theory, said, Teachers and school boards in public
schools are already free under the Constitution of
the USA to teach about supernatural origins if
they wish in their science classes.
Laws can be passed in most countries of
the world requiring discussion of supernatural origins in
science classes and still satisfy national legal requirements.
He continued and said, I have a suggestion
for evolutionists.
Include discussion of supernatural origins in your classes
and promote discussion of them in public and
other schools.
Come off your high horse about having only
evolution taught in science classes.
The exclusionism you promote is painfully self-serving
and smacks of elitism.
Why are you afraid of confronting the supernatural
creationism believed by the majority of persons in
the USA and perhaps worldwide?
Shouldn't students be encouraged to express their beliefs
about origins in a class discussing origins by
evolution?
Well, yay, William.
I think that's good.
I think, yes, students should be taught both
sides of this vital issue.
Ultimately, there are only two options.
Either there is a creator or there isn't.
And it's perfectly fine to teach the kids
there is a creator or the teacher could
say, I believe there is a creator.
It's perfectly fine to do that.
They want to get impact article number 196,
which explains some of the laws about teaching
creation science in a public school.
It's always been perfectly fine.
The ACLU seems to have been very instrumental
in spreading some false information or misleading information,
trying to let teachers think they cannot talk
about creation in the classroom.
I think what typically happens is the ACLU
will threaten a lawsuit if some teacher teaches
creation.
Now, they would lose the lawsuit, but that
doesn't matter.
The fact that they threaten the lawsuit makes
the average school board run and hide and
say, well, let's not talk about the Bible,
let's talk about creation, because we can't afford
to defend ourselves against this lawsuit.
Even though the ACLU would lose, they will
threaten the suit and sometimes even bring suit
just so that the harassment factor will cause
teachers to stop teaching creation.
And that is most unfortunate, but happens, I'm
afraid, all the time.
Teachers are not allowed to convert the students
or try to get the students to become
a Baptist or Catholic or Buddhist or something
like that, but they certainly can talk about
creation in the classroom.
You may want to get information from Elizabeth
Ridenour, the National Council for Bible Curriculum in
public schools from North Carolina.
They've done a tremendous job on putting out
information about how you can get a Bible
class started in your public school.
It's always been perfectly fine.
You may want to get the book by
Dwayne Gish, Teaching Creation Science in Public Schools,
showing how that it is perfectly fine.
You might want to get information from the
Gablers.
The Gablers in Longview, Texas, have spent a
lifetime, for the last 40 years, they've been
putting out information on good public school textbooks.
And what does the law actually say?
They review all the textbooks that come out
and help people select good books.
For instance, the Gablers have said, states can
legally require teachers to discuss evolution in science
class.
They cannot require them to discuss creation.
Teachers may discuss creation in science classes if
they wish.
So what's happened is some people, I think
well-meaning people, have tried to go into
states' legislatures and say, I demand creation be
taught.
Well, the Supreme Court has consistently ruled against
that.
But the Supreme Court says, look, you can
teach it if you want, but we cannot
make anybody teach it.
We cannot demand that it be taught.
Courts allow states to require discussing scientific weaknesses
in evolution, but not requiring discussing evidence for
creation.
Let's just look at some of the actual
Supreme Court cases and see what they've said.
In 1963, Supreme Court said, it certainly may
be said the Bible is worthy of study
for its literary and historic qualities.
Nothing we have said here indicates that such
study of the Bible or of religion when
presented objectively as part of a secular program
of education may be affected consistently with the
First Amendment.
In 1980, the Supreme Court said, the Bible
may constitutionally be used in an appropriate study
of history, civilization, ethics, comparative religion, or the
like.
It's perfectly fine to include creation in the
classroom, even teach the Bible in the classroom.
Eighth Circuit Court ruled in 1980, it's okay
to teach the Bible in a public school.
In 1987, the Supreme Court ruled again.
They said, teaching a variety of scientific theories
about the origins of mankind to school children
might be done with the clear secular intent
of enhancing the effectiveness of science instruction.
They said, teachers already possess the flexibility to
present a variety of scientific theories about the
origins of humankind and are free to teach
any and all facets of the subject.
California State Board of Education ruled in their
policy on teaching natural science.
They said, discussions of any scientific fact, hypothesis,
or theory related to the origins of the
universe are appropriate to the science curriculum.
If you want to keep up on what's
going on in education and curriculum, you may
want to get a hold of Fred, fredb001
at spectre.net and say, put me on
the loop, and you'll get all sorts of
emails keeping you up to date on what's
happening with education.
You may also want to get the video,
Crisis in the Classroom, by Phyllis Schlafly.
Tremendous video showing what's happening in our public
school classrooms and what the kids are being
taught.
The average teacher has to rely on things
in the textbooks.
And for many years, it's been a hobby
of mine to collect public school textbooks.
I have hundreds of them.
My wife says, too many.
But as I review these textbooks, it's sad
to see the things that are taught in
these textbooks, things that just simply are not
true.
But the average teacher doesn't have time when
they've got all these lessons to prepare to
know they don't have time to study them
all to find out which books are good.
I mean, which ones should I use for
my kids?
Even people on the textbook selection committee often
do not know, how do I tell which
books are good?
What do I do anyway?
Well, you might want to get the Impact
article, number 278, from the Institute for Creation
Research, icr.org, where they rated the textbooks
in 1991.
They took all the textbooks that are available
for biology, for instance, and rated them based
upon the percentage of text devoted to evolution.
How strongly is evolution pushed in this book?
And I think you'll find they range all
the way from not much to a whole
lot in the textbooks.
For instance, Merrill Science put out a biology
book called An Everyday Experience.
It only had 2.9% of the
book devoted to evolutionary teaching.
Even that was isolated into a few simple
places, a few single places where it would
be easy to simply skip those sections or
cut the pages out.
I don't know why that thought never occurs
to people, but man, if your school bought
the book, you have the authority to cut
the pages out if you don't want your
kids taught that information.
Another option is to get stickers in the
front of the book that warn the kids
about information that's not true.
And the school districts are free to teach
creation if they want.
They're free to exclude evolution.
The state can require them to discuss evolution,
but they certainly cannot require them to believe
in evolution.
You'll find the books range from 2.9
% in teaching of evolution all the way
up to 15% where they promote the
evolution theory like it's some kind of fact
of science.
You know, don't you dare question this.
I would recommend you do two things.
If you're on the textbook selection committee or
if you're going to select books for your
school, pick the book that's the least poisonous,
the one with the least amount of evolution
in it, and then do two things.
Write to the other publishers and tell them
why you didn't pick their book.
If you wrote to HBJ, Harcourt, Bristow, Benovich,
and said, we did not pick your book
this year because you had too much evolution
or false information.
Textbooks are very good at using false information
to push the evolution theory, and that simply
isn't fair, of course, isn't right, and is
actually illegal in many states.
But they don't have any other evidence for
their theory, so they use false information, things
that have been proven wrong years ago, as
supposed evidence for their theory.
For instance, textbooks will often teach that the
human embryo has gill slits, which was proven
wrong in 1874, but it's still in textbooks
today.
Every biology textbook that I'm aware of, and
I have hundreds of them, teaches that the
human embryo has gill slits, and that is
evidence that we went through a fish stage
in our development.
Proven wrong at the Cort and Jenna in
1874.
I don't know why that's still in the
textbooks.
That simply should be taken out.
They also teach that there are vestigial organs,
like the human has a vestigial tailbone or
something.
That's not true at all.
There are no vestigial organs, like an appendix,
that's part of your immune system.
So the textbooks teach things to the kids
that just simply are not true.
That doesn't mean all the teachers are teaching
these things, but the textbooks certainly contain that
information.
We've got a whole videotape, two hours long,
on this very topic, lies in the textbooks.
We also have produced a little booklet called
Are You Being Brainwashed by Your Public School
Science Textbook, that might give students or teachers
some helpful information to know what is not
true.
I was in a debate one time with
a professor who believed in evolution, and I
showed some of the things that are not
true in the textbooks.
I went for about an hour.
He got up and he said, Now, folks,
Mr. Hogan is right.
These things are not true.
But I'd like to ask him a question.
What would he replace them with?
I thought, wait a minute.
I have to find a replacement for evidence
for his theory?
I would say, if you don't have any
evidence for your theory, maybe you need to
get a new theory.
I don't know if that thought ever occurred
to him before or not, but I sure
suggested it to him.
It's understandable that people want kids to believe
a particular way.
I mean, I try to convert people to
believe what I believe, and I think probably
everybody in the world does that.
But there are some people who are very
dedicated to teaching evolution, and they want to
make sure kids believe this theory.
One of the worst of the textbook publishers
that I've seen in all my study on
this topic is the BSCS series.
If they get involved in it, you can
count on it.
It will be loaded with evolution.
They were one of the first groups, one
of the government-funded groups to publish textbooks
in 1960, 61, 62, 63, during that era.
Many books began to come out really pushing
evolution strongly, and there's lots of reasons behind
why that happened.
If you give me a call, we can
go into a long discussion sometime on that.
But there's an alternative if a teacher says,
well, what book should I get?
Well, I recommend you get The Least Poisonous,
and that may change from year to year.
That doesn't mean it's always going to be
the Merrill Science.
They may put a whole bunch in their
books next time.
You might want to get ahold of the
Gabler's.
They would be helpful on discussing that.
You might want to just get a supplemental
book like this one of pandas and people.
This little book is an excellent biology book,
but it covers biology from an intelligent design
perspective instead of millions of years of evolution,
and that may be something you could use
in your classroom.
Well, it doesn't talk about God or the
Bible.
It just says, hey, there must have been
a designer, an intelligent designer.
I think what's in these books is so
important because what the kids read in a
book, of course, especially junior high and high
school level, they're going to think, well, it's
in the book.
It must be true.
Adolf Hitler said, let me control the textbooks,
and I will control the state.
Who selects the books you buy anyway, and
how is this done?
Well, textbook selection, basically, to simplify kind of
a complex process here, there are 50 states
in America.
22 of those states have a state textbook
selection committee.
In the other states, the teacher can pick
their own books or the school district can
pick their books.
There are no regulations, but in the 22
states that have a state textbook selection committee,
there will be 12 or 15 or 20
people meet in the state capitol typically, and
they will get a book from each of
the publishers.
The publishers will send a sample copy of
their book.
Sometimes they even send a representative and whine
them and dine them and say, you know,
please buy our books.
They're trying to sell their books.
Money is the bottom line.
And these 12 publishers will send their books
saying, please buy our book.
Then the textbook selection committee will look over
the 12 books or 10 or whatever it
is, and they will pick out a few
that they recommend.
In Florida, for instance, where I live, the
state textbook selection committee narrows it from 12
down to 5.
Those 5 titles are sent to each of
the local school districts, and the school district
will select a committee of people.
Usually, the school board members will select somebody
to represent them on the textbook selection committee.
That committee will meet typically in January or
February to look over the books that are
available so that they can get them ordered
and get them in time for September.
The committee, then, will look over the 5
approved state books, and they will pick one
or two that they approve for their county.
And then those books will be purchased by
the teacher and used for the next 6
years in class.
One year, they'll pick science, and the next
year, they pick English or history.
They rotate.
Different districts have different ways they do it,
but that's the general concept.
And the atheists in evolution have seemed to
have been really good at getting on the
textbook selection committees to make sure evolution is
taught.
They know, of course, they can't hold a
meeting and teach everybody evolution in a town
meeting because nobody would show up to the
meeting.
So they have to present the evolution at
the taxpayer's expense via the textbooks.
And that's where teachers come in, and they
can do something about it.
You can select books that simply don't contain
that information or put a warning sticker in
the front or cut out the bad pages.
I mean, you're school bought the book.
You can do with it as you please.
So I'd recommend you maybe get on that
committee.
Some practical things you can do.
And this has been done in many areas.
Get the pages.
Get a book.
Let's say you already paid $50 for the
book.
You don't want to fill the whole book
away.
So you get the book and find the
places where false information is presented, like the
gill slits, the tailbone being vestigial, the horse
having four toes, the different, every one of
the so-called caveman evidence for evolution, even
the section about the geologic column and the
layers being different ages.
Absolutely not true.
And I cover all that on our seminar
videotape.
You might want to get that seminar on
lies in the textbooks.
But you can go through your textbook, find
the places where the information is not correct,
and cut the page out.
I'm sure you can get local volunteers and
churches in your area that would be thrilled
to come help do that.
Cut out the false information.
If you'd like, send me a sample copy
of your book and I will make a
list and tell you what pages need to
be removed.
I have read through scores, if not hundreds
and hundreds of these textbooks and I can
find these things very quickly.
An alternative to that, you could simply glue
the pages together, the pages that contain false
information.
You could put a warning sticker in the
front cover of your textbook.
Alabama requires a warning sticker if books teach
evolution to warn the kids the difference between
micro and macro evolution.
You may want to get my little brainwashed
book which contains much information in there about
lies in the textbooks to show the students,
hey kids, this is not true.
This has been proven wrong a long time
ago.
Many states have laws that require textbooks to
be accurate and I think that's very reasonable.
For instance, Florida Statute 233.09 says, all
instructional materials recommended by each council for use
in their schools shall be, to the satisfaction
of each council, accurate.
Now the problem with the Florida law is
that little phrase, to the satisfaction of each
council.
There's the problem.
There are things in Florida textbooks that are
absolutely not accurate.
They're bold-faced lies but the council said
they were fine so they're tolerated.
They need to get the lawmakers that have
some backbone to stand up and say, look,
take that phrase out.
Textbooks should be accurate, period.
Texas has a law that says, instructional materials
shall present the most factual information and theories
shall be clearly distinguished from facts and presented
in an objective manner.
Now, they're not in Texas textbooks and I've
got Texas textbooks right here beside me.
I've got quite a few of them.
They are not presented objectively.
Evolution is taught dogmatically but the law says
it's supposed to be.
In Wisconsin, the administrative code says, textbooks shall
have factual accuracy.
In Alabama, they have a sticker that says,
this textbook discusses evolution.
A controversial theory, some scientists present as a
scientific explanation for the origin of living things.
No one was present when life first appeared
on Earth.
Therefore, any statements about life's origins should be
considered as theory, not fact.
Microevolution, it's got a whole section describing micro
and macroevolution, which are very different, by the
way.
No connection whatsoever between the two.
You might want to get one of the
Alabama stickers and use it as a model
to create something for your school textbooks that
you could warn the kids, hey, this information
is not true.
I think it's also important that students and
teachers be aware of their legal rights on
this topic.
For instance, you might want to get this
book, Students' Legal Rights, on your public school
campus, showing how the students have the right
to be exempt from any class that is
teaching something contrary to their religion.
If the parents go to the school and
say, look, I don't want my kids taught
evolution, I don't want them taught sex education,
or whatever, the schools have to abide by
that.
They have to say, okay, if you don't
want the kids taught that, then we will
take them out and have to provide alternative
material and they cannot punish the student for
not being in the class.
They can't test them on things when the
student wasn't there.
So I think that would be a reasonable
way to do it.
Now, what's happening in our schools has me
deeply concerned as I go speak in public
schools very frequently, and honestly, I would like
to help.
I think it's important that we understand the
law.
What does the law say?
The law says you can teach creation if
you want.
You don't have to, but you can if
you want.
Don't let anybody tell you you can't.
There seems to be a lot of confusion
on this topic and it's unnecessary.
I think we need to get back to
teaching the basics, teach students, hey, it's okay
kids, you can teach creation, we can teach
creation in class if we want.
You can even read the Bible to them.
Read the Bible story about the creation and
say, students, what do you think?
There's no problem with that whatsoever.
Well, if I can be any help, please
feel free to give me a call.
Honestly, I'm concerned that many teachers do not
know what they can and cannot do on
this topic and I would like to answer
any questions I can or steer you to
where you can get more information.
The rest of this videotape now will contain
an actual presentation that I'm doing at a
public school.
I speak in public schools frequently.
If you'd like me to speak in your
public school when I'm in your area, please
look at my itinerary on my website, drdino
.com and find out when I'm going to
be close to you there and schedule me
to come speak in your public school.
I don't know why there seems to be
some schools that are afraid to have a
creationist come in.
There's no reason to be afraid.
You certainly can.
If I'm unable to come or schedule doesn't
permit, I can certainly give you a list
of other people who speak on creation, but
I think it's essential that students get the
information that they see.
Hey, it's okay.
I can learn about the Bible in my
public school.
I can learn about creation in my public
school.
So, feel free to give us a call.
I hope you enjoy the rest of this
video.
Well, it would be good of you to
join us here on this tape.
This will be our public school presentation.
My name is Kent Hovind.
I was a high school science teacher for
15 years and I now travel the country
and speak on the subject of creation, evolution
and dinosaurs.
I am, without apology, a young earth creationist,
but I stick with the scientific aspects.
And for you teachers that are watching this
tape, I appreciate you taking time to look
at this and we're going to give the
scientific evidence that shows the world is not
billions of years old and dinosaurs did not
live millions of years ago.
And teachers need to be informed that they
can teach creation science in the classroom if
they so choose.
In 1987, the Supreme Court passed a landmark
decision about the Louisiana law.
Louisiana was going to require their teachers to
teach creation in the science class.
The Supreme Court struck down that law, but
they didn't say you can't teach creation.
The Supreme Court said this law is unnecessary
because teachers already have the right to teach
creation if they want.
You have the perfect right in your class
academic freedom you can teach the creation story
as given in the Bible if you'd like.
Now you can't try to convert the kid
to be a Baptist or Catholic or a
Buddhist or something else, but you can certainly
give the creation account.
It is very much part of the scientific
discussion.
Real science looks at all the different options,
the different views.
How did the world get here?
The fact of the matter is nobody alive
today was here when it started.
So any view of creation, be it creation,
be it evolution, is going to be religious
by nature.
I know the subject is controversial and some
folks get all bent out of shape over
this question, but the problem is they think
that creation is religious and it is, but
they think that evolution is science and it's
not.
Evolution is also a religion.
And so I speak on this subject all
the time across the country.
If I can be of any help, if
your students have any questions as they watch
these tapes, please don't hesitate to call me.
We'll put our phone number and address up
on the screen.
You can call or write.
We have a list of many materials.
We have 18 different videotapes as well as
audiotapes and books, charts and things that will
help clarify the subject.
We talk about carbon dating and how the
starlight got here and if the world is
only 6,000 years old, how did the
light get here from the stars?
We cover all that in our video series.
I'll be glad to send you a list
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My name is Kent Hovind from Pensacola, Florida.
I was a high school science teacher for
15 years and now I travel around the
country and speak on the subject of creation,
evolution and dinosaurs.
Of all the crazy things to do, that's
what I do.
You say, dinosaurs?
Yes, I brought some with me today.
You're welcome to play with them when we
get done.
I need to warn you about a few
of them though.
This one is a Blondasaurus.
So you need to talk to her kind
of slow.
I also have the Styracosaurus.
I cannot prove this, but I think that
Styracosaurus is probably the dinosaur that invented hairspray.
Just my theory on that.
But all my stuff is hands-on.
You kids are welcome to play with it.
I have all sorts of interesting things.
Let me get started here.
This is not my wife now.
This is just a picture of her.
We moved to Pensacola, Florida early 1989 for
her to finish her music degree at Pensacola
Christian College.
I have three teenagers that are all in
high school at this time.
One of them is running the camera up
here.
Wave at him there, Ken Andrew.
He's running one of the cameras.
We're glad to have him with.
You know, there are four great questions that
man tries to answer in life.
These are called your philosophical worldview questions.
How do you view this world?
There are basically two options.
Either somebody made the world, or nobody made
the world.
The world made itself.
It got here by a long, slow, gradual
process called evolution.
There are two competing theories.
Creation and evolution.
Somebody is wrong.
Seriously wrong.
Big time wrong.
One of them is not correct.
And I happen to be a very strong
believer in creation.
Now the fact of the matter is both
theories, creation and evolution, both theories are religious.
Neither one is provable scientifically.
Some people like to think that creation is
religious and evolution is science.
No, no, no.
They're both religious theories.
Both religious philosophies.
But let's talk about the basic questions of
life.
Number one, who am I?
Number two, where did I come from?
Number three, why am I here?
Number four, where am I going when I
die?
Your answer to these four questions is determined
by what we call your world view.
The way you view the world.
Either somebody made it, or nobody made it.
If nobody made this world, if man is
just an accident, a product of evolution, natural,
blind, random chance, then your answer to these
four questions is going to be very different
than mine.
For instance, who am I?
Well, if evolution is true, you're nothing important.
You're just a bit of protoplasm that washed
up on the beach.
How about, where did I come from?
Well, if evolution is true, you came from
a cosmic burp about 20 billion years ago.
And there is no purpose to life.
Why are we here?
Hey, if evolution is true, you're only here
to have fun.
If it feels good, do it.
That's the philosophy of humanism.
And where do I go when I die?
Well, if evolution is true, you just go
back to the grave.
You get recycled into a plant or something
else.
There is no afterlife.
But I happen to believe the world was
instantly created.
And there are some purposes for us to
be here, and you'd better find out what
they are.
But Adolf Hitler said, if you tell a
lie long enough and loud enough and often
enough, the people will believe it.
The secret to getting somebody to believe a
lie is constant repetition.
Just keep telling them over and over and
over, they'll believe it before it's over with.
That's what my two big brothers did with
me.
I've got two older brothers, Ross and Mark.
They're bigger than I, 6'4".
They've always been older than I am.
Matter of fact, they still are today.
But when I was about 6 or 7
years old, I was raised in East Peoria,
Illinois.
I came running into the breakfast table one
morning, and I was the first one there
for breakfast.
And so I got the last banana out
of the bowl to put on my cereal.
My two big brothers walked in a few
minutes later, and they said, Hey Kent, is
that the last banana?
I said, yep, and I got it.
How many of you have an older brother
or sister, and you know that wonderful feeling
when you finally pull one over on them?
They pick on you all your life.
That morning, I had them, and I knew
it, man.
They wanted my banana.
But big brothers do not beg little brothers
for anything.
They either beat them up and take it
away by brute force, or they lie to
them and trick them out of it somehow.
So my big brothers lied to me.
They said, Kent, do you know how bananas
are made?
I said, no.
I was only 6 or 7.
It's been proven in laboratory tests.
The brain doesn't even start to grow until
kids are 18 to 20.
How many teachers can verify that from teaching
kids for a while?
Yeah, right.
They lied to me.
They said, Kent, down in South America, there
are these spiders that have big, long legs.
And when they die, they hang up in
the trees and all their legs fold up,
and then mold starts growing on those dead
spider legs, and a banana is actually moldy
spider legs.
I said, you guys are lying to me.
You just want my banana, don't you?
And they said, no, brother.
Cut it in half and look.
You can still see the black spots in
the middle where his legs were.
So I cut it in half and look.
Sure enough, black spots in the middle.
You know, I did not eat bananas for
nearly three years after that.
They lied to me.
I gave them my banana.
I fell for it, hook, line, and sinker.
If you tell the lie long enough and
loud enough and often enough, the people will
believe it.
The reason I believed that about the banana
was because it contained an element of truth.
I could see the spots in the middle.
I could see, hey, it looks like that
was his legs.
If you want to get somebody to believe
a lie, you have to mix it in
with a lot of truth.
That's how they sell bad products.
You mix the bad product with something good
and then you sell the two together.
That's what they've done for years with Marlboro
cigarettes.
You know, they want you to think that
Marlboro has something to do with cowboys.
Would you please explain that?
What is the connection between Marlboro and cowboys?
Do all cowboys smoke?
No.
Do you have to smoke to be a
cowboy?
No.
If you start smoking Marlboro, do you become
a cowboy automatically?
No.
You may smell like a horse, but you
are not a cowboy.
Actually, it's been proven in laboratory tests that
nobody in the world smokes.
Nobody smokes.
Only the cigarette smokes.
The person is the sucker.
That's all.
Somebody said, now, Brother Hovind, that's not right.
David Koresh smoked for a while, but he
finally quit.
I don't know.
I wasn't there.
They're lying to you.
They want you to think there's a connection
between smoking and cowboys.
There is no logical connection.
Same thing with beer.
You know, beer would not sell by itself.
So they mixed beer in with another product
called sports.
They want you to think beer has something
to do with sports.
Hold on just a minute.
What is the connection between alcohol and sports?
You ever notice the beer commercials?
They always get some big football player holding
his can of Bud Dumber or Bud Stupid.
They call him Bud Wiser, but it doesn't
make him any wiser.
You know, he's a dumber or stupid one.
He says, man, if you want to be
a football player, you better drink this stuff.
Hold on just a minute.
What is the connection between alcohol and sports?
Do you want your quarterback full of beer
when he's out there calling the plays?
Why don't you fill your defensive end full
of beer before the game and see how
he does?
Hey, did anybody see number 14?
I'm supposed to guard that guy.
Oh yeah, he just ran across the line
with a touchdown.
No, you don't want your athletes having anything
to do with alcohol.
There is no connection between the two.
It is crazy.
You watch Indianapolis 500.
They'll be going around the track at 200
miles an hour.
See a sign flash up that says drink
Bud.
You want them guys drinking Bud going 200
miles an hour?
They have enough racks like it is.
Some students say, well, Mr. Hovind, what's the
matter?
Don't you like beer?
I don't know.
I've never tasted it.
Never tasted it?
Nope.
41 years old, never had a drop in
my life.
Well, I've had NyQuil a couple of times,
but never tasted any.
And they say, well, how do you know
you won't like it if you don't try
it?
Well, that's a dumb philosophy to live by.
Have you ever laid your head under a
semi-truck?
Well, how do you know you won't like
it if you don't try it?
You don't have to try it to know
what's bad for you.
You can just look and see what it
does.
Hey, you ever dove head first off a
tall building into the concrete?
Well, how do you know you won't like
it if you don't try it?
No, no, no.
Look, kids, just never taste it.
You might develop a taste for it.
If so, it's going to be bad for
you in the long run.
Just learn, don't touch the stuff.
Much smarter to live that way.
And you don't have to have any.
But they sell the beer by mixing it
in with sports, and there is no connection
between alcohol and sports.
Zero.
No connection.
Totally unrelated.
What they're doing is what's called the rat
poison technique.
They're mixing two products together that do not
belong.
Did you know rat poison is mostly good
food?
Just a little tiny bit of poison thoroughly
mixed in.
And by putting the two together, people think
they belong together.
Rat thinks, oh wow, free bowl of food.
Nuh-uh, you better watch it.
You're getting some poison in there with it.
That's what alcohol mixed in with sports is,
and that's what cigarettes mixed in with cowboys
is.
And that's what's happened to what's going on
in our public school textbooks.
I'm concerned, folks.
I really want to help.
There are many good teachers that are sincere
and intelligent and honest, and they're also concerned
about what's going on in our textbooks in
the curriculum.
The curriculum, since the early 1960s, has become
very corrupt as far as the philosophy of
evolution.
It's included as if it is a fact.
Oh yeah, boys and girls, this is the
way it happened.
They teach it like it's a fact.
Here's a first grade textbook.
First grade.
Notice what it says.
Earth has changed much since its formation four
and a half billion years ago.
Now wait just a minute.
Is the world four and a half billion
years old?
No.
But if you tell a kid in first
grade that it is, he's going to believe
you.
You see, first graders believe everything you tell
them.
They believe bananas are moldy spider legs.
And then you be sure to tell them
again in second grade.
Here's the second grade textbook.
Since its formation four and a half billion
years ago, Earth has changed.
Notice down near the bottom it says, Life
too has evolved on Earth.
Second grade?
The world's billions of years old?
Well look, if you tell the lie long
enough and loud enough and often enough, the
people will believe it.
By the time a kid's heard that billions
of years ago, if he hears that in
first grade, second grade, third grade, fourth grade,
after fifteen or twenty years, he's going to
believe it.
He doesn't have to see any evidence, no
proof.
He's going to believe it's true because that's
all he's heard all of his life.
And you're going to hear that billions of
years ago a lot, believe me, in the
textbooks, in the classroom.
Now, if you're ever in a class someplace
or you go off to college and some
professor says, Millions of years ago, here's what
you should do.
This is classic.
It'll work every time.
Just raise your hand and say, Excuse me
sir, were you there?
And he will say, Well no, of course
I wasn't there.
And then you say, Well now sir, do
you know the world is billions of years
old or is this just something you believe
in?
He's going to have to say it's something
he believes because there's no possible way you
can know it.
Real science is observable testable and demonstrable.
You cannot observe or test or demonstrate that
the world is billions of years old.
You can believe it but you can't prove
it.
So it is part of somebody's religion.
And he'll say, Well no, I don't know
the world's billions of years old but I
believe it because my professor in college told
me about it.
Oh, well then here's what you do.
You raise your hand and say, Excuse me
sir, was your professor there?
He'll say, Well no, but his professor told
him about it.
Oh well, excuse me, was he there?
Do you know anybody who was there billions
of years ago?
No.
The idea that the world is billions of
years old is a religious belief.
It is not a scientific thing you can
know for sure.
Now you're welcome to believe it but you
cannot possibly know it for sure.
It's just part of somebody's religion.
Actually, the world is not billions of years
old as we shall see in a minute.
We ought to be teaching kids real science
in our textbooks instead of teaching them these
crazy theories that have nothing to do with
science.
For instance, the first law of thermodynamics tells
us matter cannot be created or destroyed.
Well if matter cannot be created then how
did the world get here?
We are here, you know.
So that leaves two choices.
Either somebody made the world or the world
made itself.
Now there's a few out there on the
lunatic fringe who will say, Well no, we're
not really here at all.
We just think we're here.
Okay, you can forget about them.
Alright, we are here.
Therefore, either somebody made the world or the
world made itself.
Now those who believe that the world made
itself because they're running from the creator for
some reason, they think we all got here
from a Big Bang.
How many have ever heard of the Big
Bang Theory before?
Okay.
The Big Bang Theory says 20 billion years
ago all the dust and dirt in the
universe was all drawn together into this one
little bitty tiny dot.
Smaller than a period on a page.
Ooh, that's crowded, yeah.
And it was spinning.
It spun faster and faster.
This is straight from the textbooks now.
It spun faster and faster and faster.
Finally it exploded out into space.
The Big Bang.
And the pieces that flew off became the
galaxies, the sun, the moon, the stars, all
that kind of stuff.
Wait a second.
If you believe in the Big Bang, you're
already bypassing a couple of fundamental questions like,
where did the matter come from?
If you believe 20 billion years ago there
was a Big Bang, then I would like
to know what exploded and where did it
come from?
Hmm.
You're also already bypassing the question of where
did the energy come from?
You don't get energy for nothing.
Where did the energy come from?
Who made the dirt to do the exploding
and who bought the gas to run this
machine and who squished it and spun it
and then exploded it?
Where did the energy come from?
And what about the laws?
The universe is governed by laws.
We have gravity, centrifugal force, inertia, basic laws
of the universe.
Who made the laws that govern our universe?
Hmm.
Evolution.
Evolution doesn't answer any of those questions, therefore
it is not scientific.
It's a faith.
It's a religion.
And you're welcome to believe in it.
But don't call it science and don't use
my tax dollars to push it off on
these unsuspecting kids as if it is a
fact.
It is not a fact.
It certainly is not.
And there's lots of things about the Big
Bang we can show you that are simply
not scientific.
There's no way to prove it's scientific.
It was against some of the known laws
of science too, by the way.
The second law of thermodynamics tells us that
everything tends toward disorder.
Everything tends toward disorder?
In other words, if you leave something alone
for a while, it will get worse, not
better.
Nothing gets better left to itself.
Everything gets worse.
Take a look at your hairdo when you
wake up in the morning.
You'll see exactly what I'm talking about.
Nothing gets better left to itself.
Things turn toward chaos in time.
But the theory of evolution says, oh no,
boys and girls, things are getting better.
We're improving.
Here it is, straight from the textbooks.
Holt Reinhart Winston, 1989, Earth Science.
It's got a picture of a starfish.
In the text to the side, it says,
3.4 billion years old.
The remains of the early ancestors of modern
human beings.
Wait a minute.
Was your great-great-great-great-great-great
-great- great-great-great-great-great-great
-great- a starfish?
No.
Neither was mine.
But you tell the kids, oh yeah, boys
and girls, that's a fact.
3.4 billion years old.
Now just a minute, this world's not billions
of years old and your grandpa was not
a starfish, but please do not laugh at
this next picture, okay?
This next picture I'm about to show you
is a picture of my brother when he
first wakes up in the morning after his
first cup of coffee.
He'll be on the left.
Now please do not laugh.
He cannot help it.
Right here.
Hey, Tarsier, a little bitty monkey about yea
long.
This is straight from the public school textbook
and it says, 30 million years ago, these
animals evolved.
Oh.
Then it says, they are ancestors, ancestral to
both humans and modern apes.
Ancestors to humans?
A Tarsier?
Grandpa?
Oh, big eyes you have, Grandpa.
The better to see you with, my boy.
Look, they don't seem to be able to
figure it out.
In 1957, 1957, Russia launched the first satellite.
They beat us in the space race.
Sputnik went up.
Americans panicked and said, oh, wow, we have
got to catch up with the Russians in
the space race.
So Americans began rewriting all of the science
textbooks in the late 50s.
Matter of fact, the government took over.
There was government funding to write science textbooks
in the late 50s.
If you get the textbooks from the 50s,
I've got the charts down here by my
feet showing how many words in the books
in 1950 talked about evolution.
Only 2,000 words.
By 1960-something, it was up to 30
,000 words talking about evolution.
They said, wow, we've got to teach evolution
because the Russians teach evolution in their science,
and so we've got to catch our American
science up.
And in the early 60s and late 50s,
there was a real movement to rewrite all
science curriculum in America to include evolution as
the unifying theme of science.
And we have seen a dramatic decline in
SAT scores since the 60s, and a dramatic
rise in lots of problems.
For instance, sexually transmitted diseases have skyrocketed among
teenagers since we took the moral standards out
of our school.
Divorce rates in this country have skyrocketed since
the early 60s when America became a pagan
nation.
Violent crime offenses have gone up 544%.
Things are skyrocketing.
Unwed birth rates for girls 10 to 14
have gone up over 500% since the
early 60s.
SAT scores have plummeted.
Folks, we've got a problem.
I think part of the problem is that
stupid theory of evolution is included in the
books as if it is a fact, and
it's nothing but a pagan religion that destroys
real science.
And we'll take questions, all the questions you
want here in a few minutes, but let
me share with you what the creationists believe.
I believe the world is only a few
thousand years old.
It is not millions and billions of years
old.
And it is easy to demonstrate that.
If you want to see...
Let's talk about the age of the earth.
How old is this world anyway?
You're going to be told it is billions
and billions of years old.
That's what the textbook says.
Millions of years ago.
Now, just a second.
There is no way to prove the earth
is billions of years old, and there are
lots of ways to prove it is not
billions of years old.
But the reason time is so important to
the theory of evolution is because that's the
only way to justify this idea that evolution
might have happened.
If the world is only six or seven
thousand years old, then the whole theory is
useless.
They somehow think that time will fix the
problem.
I'm here to say, no, time would not
fix the problem.
You say, Mr. Hovind, you mean the earth
is not millions of years old?
No, it is not.
Well, everybody believes it is.
And I'll hold it just a minute.
First place, no.
Not everybody believes it is.
Over half of the U.S. population believes
the world is less than 10,000 years
old.
Over half.
30% of the biology teachers in public
high schools believe the world is less than
10,000 years old and was instantly created
in the recent past.
So, no, not everybody believes the world is
billions of years old.
Secondly, even if everybody did believe it, that
wouldn't make it true.
You know, a lot of folks thought the
world was flat at one time.
That did not flatten it out, right?
They used to teach big rocks fall faster
than little rocks.
No, they don't.
Everything falls the same speed.
You know, in 1799, President George Washington got
sick.
He was out riding his horse in the
rain.
He got the flu.
They called in the best doctors in America.
The doctors came.
They looked at the president.
They said, Oh, the president's sick.
That'll be 50 bucks, please.
You know how they do it.
And they said, We need to call the
barber right away.
Call the barber.
They said, Call the barber?
Why?
The president's sick.
Yeah, see, back in those days, the barber
was the guy with the razor.
And he would come if somebody was sick.
He would cut their wrist and drain some
blood out.
They called the barber in to bleed George
Washington.
1799.
They took blood out of his left arm.
And then to make sure he wasn't out
of balance, they took the blood out of
the right arm also.
You've got to keep him balanced, you know.
The president got worse.
They said, Oh, the president's getting worse.
Hurry, we've got to take out some more
blood.
So they took out some more blood out
of both sides, of course.
You've got to balance them out.
The president got worse.
And they said, Oh, he's standing at death's
door.
Hurry, we've got to pull him through.
We've got to take out some more blood.
So they drained him the third time.
Guess what happened after they bled him the
third time?
He died.
And the doctors said, Well, we did the
best we knew to do.
And they sure did.
They killed him.
Now, these doctors that killed George Washington were
very sincere.
They were extremely intelligent.
They were highly trained.
And they were dead wrong in what they
believed.
We've got textbook writers that are very sincere.
I don't question that.
They're very intelligent.
Real smart.
I don't argue with that.
But if they're telling you the world's billions
of years old, they're wrong.
This world is not billions of years old.
It cannot be, as we shall see.
It is so easy to demonstrate and prove
this world simply cannot be billions of years
old.
For instance, the population of the earth is
an interesting fact.
Right now in the world there are five
and a half billion people.
That's a lot.
But the world is not overcrowded, okay?
Did you know the whole world could go
to stand up in Jacksonville, Florida, city limits?
Everybody in the world could fit in that
one city.
People say, oh, the world's overcrowded.
Have you been to Kansas lately?
No, the world is not overcrowded, okay?
That's a bunch of baloney.
They're trying to justify abortion with that statement.
Well, we need to kill off some people.
No, we don't either, okay?
But the world is not overcrowded.
Back in 1800, there were only one billion
people in the world.
One billion.
You go back to the year zero, 2
,000 years ago, the whole world only had
a fourth of a billion people.
Huh.
The world, the population growth curve looks like
the whole thing started about 4,400 years
ago.
That's interesting.
That fits exactly what the creationists have been
saying all along.
We believe the world was instantly created about
6,000 years ago.
4,400 years ago, there was a flood
that destroyed the world.
Noah built an ark, saved all the people
on board that wanted to get on, and
all two of each of the critters.
And since the flood, they have diversified.
There's been variety, but there's been no evolution.
I was speaking in Boston at a university
one time.
There were six professors and their classes all
came.
All of them believed in evolution, except me.
They wanted me to teach on creation.
I said, I'd be glad to.
I was sharing what the creationists teach, that
6,000 years ago, the world was created.
4,400 years ago, there was a flood.
Since the flood, the animals have diversified.
One of the professors in the audience, he
said, Now, Mr. Holman, do you mean to
tell me that all the different kinds of
dogs in the world we have 250 different
kinds of dogs in the world.
Do you think all the different dogs in
the world came from only two dogs off
of Noah's Ark?
I said, Sir, would you look at what
you're teaching your students?
You're teaching your students that all the dogs
in the world came from a rock.
Yeah, I'd a whole lot rather believe they
came from two dogs off of Noah's Ark
than all the dogs came from a rock.
Now, come on.
Who's got science and who's got faith in
this one here?
I was at a university one time and
the smart aleck student said to Mr. Holman,
What would you say if scientists could produce
life in the laboratory?
I said, Well, first place, they haven't.
They're a long ways from it.
Secondly, if a bunch of smart scientists get
together and produce life in the laboratory, that's
going to prove that it takes intelligence to
create life.
Which is what I've been saying all along.
It has to have an intelligent creator.
I said, That's just proof for me, not
for them.
But the creationists believe 6,000 years ago,
God made everything, 4,400 years ago there
was a flood and the human population chart
says that's exactly correct.
If man had been here for millions of
years, there should be a lot more people
by now.
The fact that there are only five and
a half billion says we're right.
This world is not millions of years old.
A few more facts here.
The sun is burning.
How many knew that already?
The sun is burning.
Did you know as the sun burns, the
sun is losing 5 million tons per second.
It's on quite a diet.
5 million tons per second.
The sun is losing weight.
As the sun burns, the sun is shrinking.
The sun is getting smaller.
Nobody argues with that.
The sun is shrinking.
Now, this is going to be complicated, so
listen carefully.
Especially for the junior high kids, so try
to follow me here.
If the sun is shrinking, and it is,
that means that it used to be bigger.
How many can figure that one out with
no help?
Alright, good, good.
The sun used to be bigger, right?
Well, now hold it just a minute.
If the world is only 6 or 7
thousand years old, that's no problem.
The sun was a little bigger back in
Adam and Eve's day.
No big deal.
But you want to tell me it's billions
of years old, and the dinosaurs lived 70
million years ago?
If they lived 70 million years ago, you
should have seen how big the sun was
then.
It was big enough to touch the earth.
If they did live that long ago, I
know what happened to them.
They fried.
Charcoal broiled, man.
No, they didn't live, no, 70 million years
ago.
Come on.
They could not possibly...
The earth cannot be that old.
Now, I know you have to have 70
million years to make your theory look good,
but the earth simply is not that old.
It cannot be.
There are many things from the galaxies, the
way they're spinning, they can't be billions of
years old.
From the way the planets are cooling down,
there's no way they can be billions of
years old.
Saturn's rings are expanding.
They're moving away from the planet.
They should be gone if they were billions
of years old.
They can't possibly be.
The moon is going around the earth.
How many knew that already?
The moon is going around the earth?
Okay.
Did you know, as the moon goes around
the earth, the moon is getting further and
further away from the earth?
We are slowly losing the moon.
Now, it's only a couple inches per year,
nothing to worry about.
Plus, there's nothing you can do about it
anyway.
But the moon is getting further and further
from the earth.
Now, kids, this is going to be complicated,
so listen carefully.
If the moon is getting further and further
from the earth, and it is, that means
that it used to be closer.
How many can figure that one out with
no help?
All right.
The moon used to be closer.
Well, now, wait a minute.
That would create a problem, you see, because
the moon causes the tides.
And if you bring the moon back in
closer, the tides would be much higher.
Matter of fact, a couple of million years
ago, the tides would have been so high,
it would drown everything on earth twice a
day.
And you can only drown comfortably once a
day.
And you want me to believe the dinosaurs
lived 70 million years ago?
Ooh, if they did, I know what happened
to them.
They got tired of drowning twice a day,
man.
They quit.
They said, we can't handle this no more.
No.
This world is not billions of years old.
I wish we had time to go into
all the different facts, this enormous number of
facts that say the universe, the moon, the
earth, the sun, nothing can be billions of
years old.
The earth has a magnetic field.
Our magnetic field is getting weaker and weaker
and weaker.
Which means, of course, it used to be
stronger.
You go backwards in time a few thousand
years, 20 or 30 or 50 thousand years,
the magnetic earth, the earth was like a
magnetic star.
No life could be here only 30 or
40 thousand years ago.
By the way, as the magnetic field declines,
it changes the rate of carbon-14 formation.
You can't prove how old things are by
carbon-14 beyond a couple thousand years because
the magnetic field is weakening.
You got a rubber ruler you're measuring things
with.
We don't have time to go into all
that, but here's a few more here.
The earth, the world is spinning.
The earth is spinning around.
How many knew that already?
We're turning around, okay?
We're turning around a little over a thousand
miles an hour at the equator.
But, the earth is slowing down.
The earth slows down a thousandth of a
second every day.
You probably did not even notice yesterday, but
we slowed down a thousandth of a second.
Did you feel it?
Yeah, I feel it.
We're slowing down.
Probably not.
A thousandth of a second is no big
deal.
But, every ten months, they have to add
a second to the clock because the clocks
go off compared to the spin of the
earth.
1990, New Year's Eve, they added a second
to the clock.
They did it again, several times.
They did it again in June, 1992.
Go get Astronomy Magazine from June of 92,
page 24, says, Earth's rotation is slowing down.
June is going to have to be one
second longer than normal.
At midnight, they added a second to the
clock.
They called it leap second.
Now, most folks have heard of leap year,
but a lot of people have never heard
of leap second.
We have a leap second every ten months
because the earth is slowing down.
Now, kids, this is going to be complicated,
so listen carefully.
If the earth is slowing down, and it
is, that means that it used to be
going faster.
How many can figure that one out with
no help?
Alright?
No, no, wait a minute.
If the world's only six or seven thousand
years old, like I believe, that's no problem.
The world was going a little faster.
Adam and Eve had a 23 1⁄2 hour
day instead of a 24 hour day.
Big deal.
But you want me to believe the world
is billions of years old, and dinosaurs lived
70 million years ago?
Do you know how fast the world would
have been going 70 million years ago?
Hey, if they did live 70 million years
ago, I know what happened to them.
They got blown off.
Now, this world cannot possibly be 70 billion
years old.
I'm sorry, you are, 70 million, you are
mistaken.
A couple more here.
You know, in Texas, I lived in East
Texas for five years, they have oil wells.
We have 30,000 oil wells just in
our county.
When they drill down into the ground, sometimes
the oil down there is under unbelievable pressure.
It'll come squirting up out of the ground
like a big zit.
Oil pressure, 20,000 pounds per square inch
is found in oil wells.
Well, the guys who study the rocks on
top of the oil, the geologists say, hey,
this rock can't handle 20,000 psi for
more than probably 10 or 15,000 years.
It should have cracked the rock, the pressure
should have leaked off.
Okay, I agree.
Then I have two obvious questions.
Number one, where did the oil come from?
Number two, why is it still under pressure
if the pressure should have leaked off in
less than 10 or 15 or 20,000
years?
Well, I got a theory on that.
I believe 6 or 7,000 years ago,
the world was instantly created.
4,400 years ago, there was a flood.
In that flood, lots of people and critters
drowned.
As their bodies got covered with layer after
layer after layer of mud, the flood lasted
about a year.
The mud got 3 or 4,000 feet
thick on top of them and it squished
them into oil.
Did you know you can squeeze a ton
of garbage into oil in the laboratory in
about 20 minutes?
So the oil is down in the ground
from the people and animals that drowned in
the flood.
It's only been there 4,400 years.
And that means, if you stop and really
think about that, you drove over here today
on some of your ancestors.
Next time you're at the gas station pumping
them in, you can say, Bye, Grandpa.
You should have listened to Noah.
You should have got on the ark.
Yeah, yeah.
No, that's where the oil comes from.
This world can't be billions of years old.
The oil pressure would be gone.
The Mississippi Delta, all the deltas are growing.
They can't be millions of years old.
The earth should be one big swamp by
now.
The continents are eroding flat.
Here's an interesting one.
The oldest tree in the world is the
bristlecone pine tree.
It's in Southern California.
It's called the Methuselah tree.
It's 4,300 years old.
Oldest living tree.
Oh, now, wait a minute.
If this world is millions of years old,
why isn't there an older tree someplace?
Why is the oldest tree 4,300 years
old?
Hmm.
I got a theory on that.
I believe it's very simple.
You see, I think about 6,000 years
ago, the whole world was created instantly, and
4,400 years ago, there was a flood
that destroyed the world.
And so the oldest tree ought to be
less than 4,400 years old, and it
is.
Same thing with the erosion rate for Niagara
Falls and many, many, many things tell us
about the changing of the earth.
It cannot possibly be billions of years old.
And I got enough stuff to go for
hours.
People say, okay, now, just a minute, Mr.
Hovind.
If the world's only 6,000 or 7
,000 years old, when did the dinosaurs live?
Did dinosaurs live on the earth?
Oh, sure, they did.
Yeah, they really did.
Well, when did they live?
Well, dinosaurs had to live with man.
Dinosaurs lived with man all along.
You see, dinosaurs are nothing but giant lizards.
Lizards never stop growing.
They never stop.
People stop growing.
When you're 16 or 18, you're going to
stop growing.
You're going to reach a maximum size.
At least horizontally, you're going to stop.
Or vertically, you'll stop.
Some people go horizontally for years after that.
But your vertical growth is going to stop.
Lizards never stop growing.
So I believe, and many other folks believe,
before that flood wrecked the world, the world
was very different.
People used to live over 900 years.
And the animals that lived hundreds of years
just grew to be huge.
Did you know they found fossils of animals
that are gigantic by today's standards?
Do you have cockroaches in this part of
the country?
Are there cockroaches around here?
Did you know they have found fossil cockroaches
18 inches long, a foot and a half
long?
That's a big cockroach.
Back in those days, you did not call
Orkin.
You called out the National Guard.
Get him, get him.
No.
No, this world is not billions of years
old.
And these giant animals, you know the word
prehistoric?
You say, those are prehistoric animals.
The word prehistoric was invented in the 1800s.
There's no such thing as prehistoric.
All the animals lived with man at the
same time.
Dinosaurs, man, everything lived at the same time
for about 1600 years.
And then the world was wrecked by that
flood.
You say, wait a minute, if dinosaurs lived
with man, what happened to them?
Well, I think Noah took dinosaurs on the
ark.
Dinosaurs on the ark are kind of big,
aren't they?
Well, the big ones were big, but the
little ones were little.
And Noah was 600 years old when he
built that boat.
He was smart enough to figure out, you
don't have to bring the biggest ones you
can find.
Bring two babies.
Just be sure to get a pink one
and a blue one.
That's all you got to worry about.
And, I mean, there's a lot of reasons
to bring babies.
They're smaller, they eat less, they sleep a
lot more, they're a little tougher to handle
a rough voyage, you know, kids can bounce
and get up and keep going, adults fall
down and break.
So, yeah, I think he brought young ones
on the ark.
You say, dinosaurs on the ark?
Yeah.
He only had to bring two of each
kind, not two of every individual variety.
There's only about 15 or 20 or 30
different kinds of dinosaurs.
Now, the books have hundreds listed.
I think about 800 listed in the books.
That's because there's a real tendency, if you
find a dinosaur bone, try to make it
a new dinosaur so you can be famous.
If they find a little bump on the
bone, slightly different, you know, and make it
a whole new species when it's just another
variety of the same thing.
But Noah only had to bring two of
each kind on the ark.
After the flood, I think man killed off
most of the dinosaurs.
And that's why we have all the legends
about people killing dragons.
You know, there's a lot of stories about
people killing dragons.
Gilgamesh slew a dragon, Beowulf slew a dragon,
Prince George slew a dragon, lots of stories
about people killing dragons.
Where did those stories come from?
Are they just mythology?
Well, maybe so.
But there's an awful lot of stories that
sound awful similar.
Maybe they're founded on facts.
Maybe people really were killing off the dinosaurs.
I think as time came along, that flood
was 4,400 years ago, that's a long
time, dinosaurs became more and more rare.
People were killing them off.
Matter of fact, some species, there was a
price put on their hide.
If you could kill a Tyrannosaurus Rex, phew,
you would be a hero.
They tell stories about you around the campfire.
So probably many of them became extinct in
the first 1,000 years or so.
But I think dinosaurs have lived with man
all along, and I think a few dinosaurs,
including this one, the Apatosaurus, and this one,
the Plesiosaurus, a few dinosaurs are still alive
right now, today.
Dinosaurs today in the 90s?
Yep.
Now I don't want you to think there's
millions of them and you need to be
careful when you go out in the hallway
because one of them might step on you,
okay?
There are probably no dinosaurs in your high
school here.
But I believe there are some still alive.
Let me demonstrate my point here.
You say, dinosaurs still alive?
Yes.
Now they're not as big as they used
to be.
They're only 25 or 30 feet long.
But I'll give you an example.
How many have ever heard of the Loch
Ness Monster?
Ever heard of the Loch Ness Monster?
Did you know there have been 11,000
people that claim they have seen the Loch
Ness Monster?
11,000 witnesses.
Now no question there's been some hoaxes and
frauds.
I don't question that.
Yes, there has been.
But if you get 11,000 people that
claim they've seen something maybe they have seen
something.
Right?
I think it's a plesiosaurus.
A dinosaur still alive.
Now if you believe in evolution and you
think they lived 70 million years ago you're
going to have a hard time with this.
I understand.
The concept of a dinosaur still living?
Oh, that's crazy.
No, it's not.
Not if the world's young.
Makes perfect sense.
Did you know there's a big swamp in
Africa?
Largest swamp in the world is in the
middle of Africa.
It's on the map here.
That big green dot in the center.
That swamp is bigger than the whole state
of Alabama.
That swamp is 55,000 square miles.
That's a big swamp.
Did you know there have been 20 scientific
expeditions into that swamp in the last 20
years looking for apatosaurs dinosaurs that are still
alive?
If you show this to one of the
natives that lives in that swamp the native
will say Oh yeah, that's Mokele-Membe.
He lives out there.
You say, don't bother him.
No, he's not too friendly.
Mokele-Membe?
Dr. Roy Mackle University of Chicago biology professor.
Here's his book right here.
Dr. Mackle went over to the swamp in
1980 spent six weeks.
He said the first thing he noticed about
the swamp was the mosquitoes.
They landed on him at the rate of
1,000 per hour.
Bloodthirsty mosquitoes.
I was up in Minnesota one time speaking
to the church up there and I thought
I was going to get carried away by
the mosquitoes.
The pastor at the church I was talking
to him I said, man, you guys mosquitoes
are terrible around here.
What do you do with the mosquitoes?
He said, what are you talking about?
We don't have a single mosquito in the
whole state of Minnesota.
I said, you don't?
He said, no.
They're all married and have large families.
Don't have a single one.
They're all married.
Never mind.
I'll explain it to you later.
A little sleepy here.
But Dr. Mackle went into the swamp after
spending six weeks in there interviewing people who
live there.
He came back the next year and spent
nine weeks and a quarter of a million
dollars.
Here's his book.
Name, address, phone numbers in the front cover.
When they showed a picture of an Apatosaurus
to the natives in the swamp the natives
said, yeah, that's Mokini Mimbi.
Dr. Mackle said, fellas that's a dinosaur.
They've been dead for 70 million years.
And the natives said, well, we're sorry we
didn't know that.
See, we've never been to college to study
evolution.
All we know is we see them out
there once in a while when we're fishing.
There's an article in Time Life, Mysterious Creatures.
Got the book right here.
A whole section in this book.
You might have this in your library.
Time Life, Mysterious Creatures.
It's part of a series.
$14.95. Get one a month.
Cancel anytime.
You know how they do it.
There's a section in here about Mokini Mimbi
in the Congo swamp.
There have been 20 expeditions over there now
trying to find dinosaurs that are still alive.
And again, I don't want you to think
there's millions, but there's some in the Congo
swamp.
I think there's a couple in Loch Ness.
The Loch Ness monster is probably a plesiosaurus.
Did you know in 1977 a Japanese fishing
boat was dragging their net behind their boat
fishing down by Australia, New Zealand.
When they pulled the net up to see
what kind of fish they caught in that
net, 1977, they had a picture of it
right here.
They had a dinosaur in their net.
Four thousand pound, 32 foot long plesiosaurus.
The fellas on the ship said, that's a
dinosaur.
What's he doing here?
They've been dead for millions of years.
Well see, nobody told this one about it.
He was still around in 1977.
They saved some tissue sample, measured it, weighed
it, and threw it back.
It stunk.
It had been dead for a few days.
They said, we're not having that thing on
board.
They made a commemorative stamp out of it
for Japanese mail.
Stamp's right here on the page.
You can come by and take a look
at this.
Could there have been a 32 foot long
dinosaur caught just 1977?
Well, that depends upon your view of history.
If you believe in evolution and you think
dinosaurs lived millions of years ago, you're going
to have an awful hard time with that
one.
But if you believe the world's not millions
of years old, then it makes perfect sense.
There could be a few still around.
Hey, did you know a dead dinosaur washed
up on the beach in California?
Here's the article.
California's Nessie.
Skin Diver Magazine.
A dead dinosaur 40 feet long with a
20 foot neck washed up on the beach.
People came for miles to see that thing.
A plesiosaurus?
How can that possibly be?
Did you know there have been over a
thousand people that claim they have seen a
creature called the Lake Champlain Monster in Vermont,
between Vermont and New York?
Lake Champlain is a long skinny lake.
Here's a book, Champ, Beyond the Legend.
That lake's about 120 miles long.
I met the lady who took this photograph.
Her picture and her story appears on programs
like Unsolved Mysteries or Sightings.
Her name is Sandy Mancia.
She's a friend of mine.
She took the photograph, 1977, of the Lake
Champlain Monster.
There have been a thousand people that claim
they have seen it.
What is going on?
Is it possible there's a dinosaur in Lake
Champlain?
Did you know there have been over 200
different places around the world where they're still
reporting small dinosaurs alive right now?
So, I just want you to get a
different view of history.
This world is not billions of years old.
There have been reports out of the Congo
Swamp for the last 150 years about dinosaurs
still living in that swamp.
The natives call it Mokili Mimbi.
And I think there are a few still
around.
So, I don't think there's millions of them,
but there are some.
And I think in the science textbooks they
ought to stick with science.
And if they're going to tell you the
world got here by a process called evolution
and man came from millions of years ago
and we used to be a monkey, first
place, that's not science.
Secondly, that's not fair to only show you
one side and not show you the other
options.
Over half the U.S. population does not
believe that, so why do they teach it?
In the textbooks, they'll give some proofs for
evolution.
Here's what they're going to say.
Boys and girls, we can prove evolution because
we have similar structures with other animals.
Oh, yeah, man has two bones in his
wrist, the radius and the ulna.
Hmm, so?
Well, so does the dolphin.
The dolphin's got two bones in his flipper.
Radius and ulna.
Yeah, so?
Well, the bat's got two bones in his
wing, the radius and the ulna.
Yeah, I agree.
And then they'll say, don't you see?
That proves we have a common ancestor.
Uh, no.
That might prove we have a common creator.
Maybe the same guy designed all three of
them animals, and that's why they have similarities.
Not because they got a common ancestor.
Maybe there's a common designer.
Hey, did you know the lug nuts from
a Chevy will screw onto a Pontiac?
That proves they both evolved from a Honda
40 million years ago.
That's the same logic.
In the textbooks, they're going to say, boys
and girls, we know that we came from
the same animals as these other animals.
We have a common ancestor because the baby,
as it develops inside the mother, the baby
has gill slits.
Gill slits?
Ever heard that one before?
Did you know that was proven wrong back
in 1908?
The human baby does not have gill slits.
It's got little folds of skin.
They call them vestigial, or, uh, vestigial organs.
No, they're not vestigial gill slits.
They're just folds of skin.
Each one develops into a different part of
the hearing and respiratory tract.
It's got nothing to do with breathing.
Hey, I've seen some fat folks who've got
four or five chins.
They can't breathe through any of them except
for the top one.
No, those are not gill slits.
And that was bad science.
That ought to be taken out of the
textbooks.
That was proven wrong in 1908.
Ernest Haeckel, the forerunner to Adolf Hitler and
Nazism, is the guy who invented that thing
about the gill slits, and it was proven
wrong back in the early 1900s.
They're going to say, now, boys and girls,
we've got more proof for evolution.
We can see these animals change.
You can see the peppered moth change from
a black moth to a white moth.
That's going to be in the books, I
assure you.
You know what happened in that experiment?
In 1800, they counted the moths in England.
They found out that 95% of them
were white moths.
Only 5% were black.
Then the trees turned black as they burned
the coal in the factories, and somebody counted
the moths and found out that 95%
of the moths were black.
Only 5% white.
And they said, ah, see, this is evolution,
industrial melanism.
This proves that white moth turned into a
black moth.
Ah, no.
What happened was when the tree turned black,
the white moth got ate by a bird
because he stuck out like a sore thumb
on that black tree, and the black moth
had more babies.
That's all that happened.
It's the change in the population, but it's
not evolution.
It started off a moth.
It is still a moth.
Some of the stuff they give for evolution
is crazy.
You're going to hear about Archaeopteryx, the missing
link.
You ever heard about Archaeopteryx?
They're in Jurassic Park.
How many saw the movie Jurassic Park?
They say, oh yeah, dinosaurs turned into birds.
Dinosaurs turned into birds?
That's a little far-fetched.
Oh, it's no problem.
You see, you just lose a few pounds,
grow a few feathers, and take off flying,
man.
Let's go.
Flap.
You can do it.
There's a few differences between dinosaur and a
bird.
Reptiles have a three-chambered heart.
Birds have a four-chambered heart.
Very different.
Their lungs are totally different.
Reproductive system, very different.
Bone structure, very different.
No, there's a lot of differences.
But they say Archaeopteryx is the missing link.
Half bird, half dinosaur.
You know, Archaeopteryx is strange.
There's only been six of them found.
They're only 12 inches long.
It's a bird, like a pigeon.
But he's got claws on his wings, right
by his elbow.
You say, oh, so he's got claws on
his wings.
That proves he used to be a dinosaur.
Wait a minute.
Some birds have claws.
Some don't.
Most don't, matter of fact.
Only the Hoatzin, Archaeopteryx, and Hesperonis don't have
teeth.
The ostrich has claws on his wings.
But that doesn't prove it used to be
a dinosaur.
The textbook says, Archaeopteryx has teeth in his
beak.
That proves he used to be a dinosaur.
Oh, excuse me just a minute.
Teeth in the beak does not prove it
used to be a dinosaur.
Some birds have teeth.
Most don't.
Some reptiles have teeth.
Some don't.
Some mammals have teeth.
Some don't.
Some of your teachers have teeth, and some
don't.
Okay?
That doesn't prove a thing, alright?
It's just an oddball bird, by the way.
Okay?
Going from having teeth to not having teeth
is an example of losing something, not gaining
something.
You know, they told me when I went
to high school, man used to have a
tail.
But we lost it because we didn't need
it.
I thought, didn't need it.
Have you ever thought how handy a tail
would be?
Have you ever come to the door with
two sacks of groceries?
Wished you had some way to open that
door?
That'd be nice, man.
Grab your tail and wrap around that door
and let yourself in.
Have you ever been driving down the highway
and wished you had something to tune the
radio knob or hold that can of Coke
for you?
It'd be a little harder to get your
britches on.
You'd have to put another zipper or something,
but somebody could figure that out.
Lost it because we didn't need it.
Come on.
That's not evolution.
That's not science.
That's crazy.
All the evidences that they give, evidence from
the fossil record, you know they don't find
any fossil missing links, zero, none.
That's why they've got a new theory now
called punctuated equilibrium, which means maybe a dinosaur
laid an egg and a bird hatched out
of the egg.
That's why we don't find the missing links
because evolution happened so rapidly none of the
fossils were preserved.
Hold it, hold it.
What you're saying is because we don't find
any proof, that proves it?
Try that one in a court of law.
Judge, we can't find any proof, therefore we
know he's guilty.
That's what punctuated equilibrium says.
They're admitting there is no fossil evidence.
But see, folks, the thing that concerns me
the most, I guess, which of the views
you choose to believe in, creation or evolution,
is going to determine many, many, many things
about how you behave.
Your whole view of life, decisions that you
make on what's right and what's wrong, is
based on whether you believe in creation or
evolution.
Is man just an animal?
Is there nothing more to life?
Is it okay to steal, rob, kill, murder?
Your philosophy of life is at stake.
I want to challenge you.
If you're a science class, scientists ought to
look at all sides and make a wise
decision.
And you science teachers ought to educate your
students.
Don't indoctrinate them.
Educate them.
Teach them all sides.
Let them make an intelligent choice.
There is ample evidence the world is not
old.
Dinosaurs did not live millions of years ago,
and there might be some still alive.
So tonight, if you want to come, 7
o'clock tonight, First Baptist Church, right around
the corner, is my last session.
Everybody, every visitor, if you haven't been there
yet, you can come tonight and count as
your own first visitor.
Every visitor is $5 off of any of
my videotapes.
And I got lots of videotapes.
I got debates from universities on videotape.
If you want to get some of the
videotapes, I got some here someplace.
No limit.
Every visitor, $5 off.
And I got stacks and stacks of them
there.
We'll give you as many as you want.
Bring 100 visitors and get a whole bunch.
I just want to help challenge you and
encourage you.
Folks, you need to look at this properly
and say, wait a minute.
Maybe we were created.
Well, then maybe that creator has some rules
to live by.
Maybe so.
You better find out what they are and
be doing them.
All right.
Well, thank you so much for having me.
And you the boss here in charge of
this?
Great.
Thank you so much.