Even this morning, I've been thinking, and I
keep getting stuff, and I keep writing it
down.
Because I don't know if Neil has this
problem, but I do.
And that is, when you do this all
the time, you assume eventually people are on
your page.
I mean, it's just like, oh, yeah.
I mean, don't you know that?
And it's like, well, you're not doing it
all the time.
But it's just there.
And so sometimes we fail in sharing some
important stuff we've learned simply because it's just
always.
But there are only two kinds of demonic
attacks that come to individuals.
And get them down, because it's not, go
to the notes in your thing, because we're
going to really follow that outline.
But this is not in that outline.
The two kinds of attacks, not only kids
that people have.
One is the attack basically to get them
to do stuff.
The other is attacks basically to feel.
Now, there's feeling with doing, but the emphasis
of the doing is to do things that
aren't right.
The emphasis of the feeling, it just wipes
them out to do anything.
And basically, when I counsel, I find that
men are doers and women are feelers, right?
Do you know, and I'll get into, I
shouldn't be going, but what does God say
that a woman's major problems are?
Two things, anger and worry.
And her anger comes out of worry, because
God tells her to develop a meek and
a quiet spirit.
Meekness is the opposite of anger, and a
quiet spirit is the opposite of fear.
So Satan's going to attack a woman or
even a teenage girl.
What is he going after?
And the reason wives get angry, because they're
fearful, because they're married to deadheads.
Can't you see what's happening?
Can't you see what's going on?
You know, when the kid gets arrested by
the police, the guy says, oh yeah, we've
got a problem.
Mom saw it six years before, but he
wasn't listening.
So that's why often a woman's anger comes
out of her fear.
And she has to just get angry to
get a hearing, something's wrong in this family,
something's wrong with our kids.
But most of the guys are doing stuff.
And they're being, so if you can have
those two things, knowing that probably this teenage
guy that you're dealing with has some secret
stuff that he's doing that he's trapped in.
Okay, the second thing, and this is a
thing I thought of before I shared yesterday,
how do you determine if a teenager is
under demonic influence?
Just because someone wants to bring their kids
here, this is impossible.
Kevin was my intern for two years, is
running the camera.
And I show up at the office at
five o'clock in the morning to begin
to do callbacks at people that call the
office.
And someone was asking Kevin at the table,
and Kevin was saying, well, Logan probably had
50 callbacks on his desk, and I had
30 more on mine.
So how do we determine who flies into
Sioux City?
When you've got all of these people calling,
all these people hurting, all these people with
rebellious kids, and they're adults too, but I'm
just saying, how do we determine is this
teenager under demonic influence?
Just because he doesn't make his bed, or
just because he sasses his dad doesn't mean
that you ought to fly him here, because
it's expensive.
We don't charge, but you know what it
costs to fly into Sioux City, and to
stay at the motel for a week, for
15 hours of counseling?
So I'll tell you, this is just a
simple rule of thumb.
What is normal sin is not normal.
That which would be normal stuff is no
longer normal.
Has anyone in this room never been angry?
I don't see a hand, just kneels, okay?
So see, everybody gets angry.
So you get angry, do you need to
call Neil Anderson and make an appointment?
No, but if you're an angry man, that
is a different story.
When that, what should be a normal issue,
now defines who you are, there's a good
indication what?
There's enemy involvement.
For a believer that is always angry, or
always into this, always into something else.
Who hasn't worried?
But let me tell you, when you start
having panic attacks, and you live in fear
all the time, I believe there's enemy involvement.
And so I wanna hear that.
Why do you think your son needs to
come here?
Why do you think I need to talk
to him?
And they begin to tell me.
And I think he should have been here
two years ago, for some of them.
This kid is really bad, really evil, really
under something.
You can tell it's his lifestyle.
It's becoming a lifestyle, it's a lifestyle of
evil, and yet he's a born again believer.
And he can't stop.
That's a real indication.
We'll get into the sexual stuff later on,
but this is just generally thing, I'm listening
to see, should they really come?
Because I don't wanna waste parents' money.
And I wanna really be sure that he
needs the kind of help that we could
give him at our office.
All right.
Okay, point number one.
And I told you the story where I
was at Indianapolis teaching course three, got there
early and went to a church.
Since I'm not an Indianapolis person, I didn't
know what church to go to.
They said, why don't you go to this
particular church?
So we went to that church, and I
didn't know, the mother had prayed that maybe
they would bump into me.
Well, Indianapolis is kind of big.
And I'm in the church, and the church
is big.
This is a huge Baptist church.
And I thought I'd died and gone to
heaven.
The choir, like I could go home now.
I was edified by the choir music.
I didn't have to close my eyes to
the pom-pom dancers and all of that
stuff.
I didn't know churches even had choirs that
sang hymns anymore.
And then a men's group got up and
sang, and I was sitting with a missionary
to Indians, Apache Indians.
I said, oh man, it's been years since
I've been in church and felt I was
raised to the presence of God without wiggling
or dancing in the aisles.
It was just absolutely fabulous service.
Then the guy got up and he preached
on the 10 commandments.
It's one of the best things I ever
heard, on commandment number one.
I mean, I went, I was so excited.
Praise God, I left here edified.
I left here really so encouraged in the
Lord and in the Spirit.
And I'm walking up the aisle, and this
lady grabs me, and I'm like, get your
hands off me, woman.
You know, who is this lady?
I don't know who she is.
And she had a bunch of kids with
her, and she said, oh, we've been praying
to see you.
And my sons turned around and said, Logan's
here.
And he said, that's the answer to prayer.
And what I counseled were two boys who
had been counseled by everybody.
I mean, I heard about these boys, how
they had to go to the house because
one boy was gonna shoot his brother with
an arrow and kill him.
We're not talking about, you know, situations kind
of, I mean, like, should we get the
police, whatever.
And the kid's 15, and his brother's 13.
Well, anyway, the boy told me to tell
you this because he's really excited because God
has so changed his life.
I said, can I talk about you?
He said, I don't care, tell him who
I am even.
Okay, he said, Logan, can I be your
roommate when you do the prayer retreat?
I said, sure.
So he's gonna fly up to upper Michigan
to spend a week with me.
He'll be in the other two rooms.
He could be in the other room.
And he said, I just wanna hang out.
We could pray together, and you could teach
me scripture.
I mean, this is a kid that is
a mess, totally different.
And so, you know, I saw them at
the training center.
I counseled both boys.
I did everything right.
I used all the right stuff.
I took them through my agenda, and they
went through the agenda, and they prayed the
prayers, and they did all of this, and
they asked forgiveness to each other, asked forgiveness
of the mother, and everything was like beautiful.
You know, sort of a Disney World ending
to these rebellious boys.
And I told you, five weeks later, I
get a phone call, and the mom says,
I gotta get this kid out of the
house.
He's worse than when you talk to him.
And I said, before you get rid of
him, can I talk to him?
I talked to the kid on the phone
for maybe a half hour.
His life was transformed.
This kid is brilliant, homeschooled.
She couldn't get him out of the bedroom
to do schooling.
I've been calling him once a week.
He's now finished this whole semester.
I mean, the whole year of homeschooling, so
far now, this year.
Got it all done.
The only thing he's struggling with is some
kind of math, and they have to get
some kind of, I don't know, math that
I don't even know how to spell it.
You know, I mean, this kid is really,
really smart.
But what was, I left out.
I mean, I did everything right.
What was the thing I left out?
And I asked him on the phone, because
I figured it out.
Finally came to me.
Why when I talked to him the second
time, I wasn't all prepared.
I didn't even know what I was gonna
say to the kid.
But I prayed and asked the Holy Spirit
to help me.
I mean, he knows these people, that I
would say the right stuff.
And I said the right stuff.
I said, do you know what transformed your
life?
He said, let me think.
Yeah, I know.
See, what I left out was giving him
hope for the future.
Without a vision, what's gonna happen?
People come to nothing and teens come to
nothing.
This kid had not connected his behavior with
where he wanted to go.
And so most of you know, I'm not
the nicest counselor that you could counsel with.
I'm not afraid to say it.
So I said to the kid, well, I
said, I guess the behavior you're doing and
you realize what you're doing is one.
Yeah, he knew his values.
He knew he was giving his mother fits.
He knew that he would fight with his
brother and he was stronger so he could
beat him up.
I said, do you plan on flipping hamburgers
at McDonald's when you grow up?
Oh no, I wanna be a senator or
a congressman.
You know, as soon as I finish this
stuff, I wanna finish early so I can
go to law school.
So I had to point out what, if
he kept going where he was going, he
was gonna end up at McDonald's, not a
lawyer.
And it clicked with him.
He had already done everything right, but he'd
never made the connection between his lifestyle now
and where he wanted to go.
And I'm telling you, we've got to give
hope to these kids.
It's not just clearing up the past, but
what about getting their nose pointed in the
right direction?
And I'll tell you, kids need hope.
We need to visualize achievement for them.
You don't need to visualize specific achievement because
you don't know.
I didn't say, I think you ought to
be a senator.
How do I know what God wants for
his life?
But you can give him general vision for
the abilities they have or what is their
dream?
Where do they wanna go?
Some kids don't wanna go anywhere, but kids
that do wanna go, give them hope.
And I'll tell you, you'd be amazed how
their lives are transformed.
They've already took care of all the junk,
but they're going back to their stuff.
So give them hope.
Now, I think in your notebook, I read
this.
I don't know where I read it.
Oh, I know, it was a devotional book.
It's on there, where I gave you that
thing of hope.
You got a thing in there in hope.
I think it's kind of neat.
It's like a one-page thing from, who
was it?
Some guy in the past.
I don't know, it was Spurgeon or somebody.
Yeah, yeah, it's the catechism of hope.
So it must've been not Spurgeon.
It had to be the other guy, the
Presbyterian guy.
Yeah, whatever it is, I can't hear you,
but anyway, it's in there.
But the importance of hope is very important
that people would have.
Number two, in giving help to teens, what's
the second most important thing you can do
if you really want to help them change
their life?
You've got to see their situation from their
perspective.
You know how you do that?
Be a good listener.
Hear what the kids are saying.
Don't tell, don't sell, just listen.
A Christian organization, one of their board members
is in the medical profession, and he has
a rebel for a son.
Which doesn't fit the organization he's on the
board with.
If I told you you'd know the organization
and some of the neat people involved in
that organization, this kid's a real rebel.
And the kid said something to his dad,
and I had to tell him, didn't you
hear what he said?
He said, dad, I don't need a doctor,
I need a father.
You hearing that?
He said, you know my wife had the
nerve to tell me?
She said, Jim, I don't want your counsel,
I want a husband.
Isn't that awful?
It was a knife in the heart, you
know, oh yeah, I hear her, hey, six
steps, Marguerite.
Say, aren't you glad you didn't marry me?
You know, my poor wife, she's put up
with so much stuff.
But, and that happened in Bible college one
time.
This kid's sitting there, he's telling me all
this trash.
So my office at the Bible college was
a little bit bigger than the one I
have now, but the one I have now
is like a, I think my office you've
been to it, that most walk-in closets
are bigger.
So the one at the school was even
smaller.
And so the filing cabinet, so I was
opening a filing cabinet because I had a
handout for his mess.
And he looked at me and he said,
Dr. Logan, I don't want your papers, I
want you to listen to me.
No, I said, you're right, I was wrong.
Yeah, because often we know the answers.
I mean, there's only so much evil a
person could do.
You're limited by your body, you know, and
you hear it all the time and you
know, oh yeah, I got this paper, it's
a superhero.
Neil Anderson wrote it, it's gonna work.
Maybe, you know, do the seven things and
you'll be fine.
And that's not what people want.
Okay.
The third thing are why are teens noses
part of the problem?
Did you figure that one out?
You know why?
They're too short.
Aren't they?
How far does a teen usually look?
About this far.
They've got to, you've got to show them
how their choices right now are going to
affect what?
The future.
They don't see that.
The kids are more now, right now.
And I've got to try to show them
that if they keep going the direction they're
going, do you see where you're gonna end
up?
And is that where you really wanna go?
And so constantly remember that.
I mean, it kind of fits the first
one too.
This boy was looking at what?
I wanna beat up my brother, I don't
like doing school, yet I wanna be a
congressman.
Well, probably he fit as a congressman for
some of them.
You know, not educated or at least not
smart.
Okay, now how do counselors abuse teens?
This is, oh, I gotta share this with
you.
This is a freebie, write it down the
side.
Because it's on this page, if I don't,
you won't get it.
And I just found this out last week.
Beware of counselors that have all the answers.
Those guys haven't even found the bus stop.
Nobody has all the answers except the Lord.
And I can't tell you how much praying
I do.
I say, I have to go to the
bathroom.
And I'm going to the bathroom, you know
what I'm doing?
Lord, what do I do with this guy?
You know, what I do?
You brought him here, this is your kid,
it's not my kid.
Or this is your man, it's not my
man.
Lord, you gotta tell me what to do.
And the Holy Spirit can tell you.
You can do some of the most amazing
things.
Learn to counsel by the seat of your
pants.
God lays something in your heart you never
did before, do it.
Do you understand the voice of the Lord?
Do you know how God speaks to you?
God gives you direction, do it.
God knows, and it may be the very
thing that's gonna turn the whole thing around.
But this is something I shared with those
that we train for counseling that just came
to me.
I mean, maybe you've found it before, I
never found it before.
That God of this world, Satan uses truth
to defeat people.
I'm not talking about truth of past failures.
I'm not talking about accusations of things done
in the past.
I'm saying using right now truth.
Okay, I'm old, I'm bald, that's true.
I'm getting pudgy, that's true.
And I draw a line is that you'll
reject me.
It's all true.
And a fellow that I knew who had
been greatly used in the lives of people,
setting them free, was having nightmares every night,
was thinking of killing himself, was thinking of
ways of killing himself.
And he would drive home at night after
work, park and cry for an hour, an
hour and a half.
And his folks only knew he was depressed.
And every attack of Satan was true.
There wasn't one false thing in there.
When he drew, when Satan draws a line
and adds it up, and I've never had
that.
Usually it's accusing, you know, look, you've done
this, you've done that, you're doing that, God
can't use you.
It was none of that stuff.
So searching his heart, it wouldn't go anywhere.
You know, there must be some something I
haven't confessed.
This is why it's going on.
It's not there.
Let me tell you about searching your heart.
I don't think you ought to do it.
I don't see it in the scripture, except
two times in the New Testament.
One is to see if you're in the
faith.
The other is at the communion table, right?
I had the privilege of going to Biola.
So anything great here is because I went
to Biola.
And when I was at Biola, I hit
the pits.
I was married, I had two kids, I
was out of the army, I was trying
to get educated and work 40 hours a
week.
And this is back when they required so
much homework for every hour of class was
hard.
And I was getting more depressed, more depressed,
more depressed.
It wasn't my dark night of the soul
that you can get from another ministry or
from radio Bible, what's not radio Bible?
They don't call it radio Bible class anymore.
What do they call it?
They have a TV program.
Day of Discovery.
Day of Discovery, the fellow who does their
TV programs heard me share the dark night
of the soul.
And they did two TV programs on my
message, which I didn't know they did.
They sent me the video so I could
watch them.
One is with Johnny Erickson and one is
someone else.
That if you've never had dark night of
the soul experience, you don't understand what I'm
talking about.
I mean, it's horrible.
It's that tunnel that gets darker and darker
and deeper and deeper.
And I went through that when I was
vice president of CEF.
And it was horrible.
I mean, I would never wanna go through
it again.
One time enough, God, I think I learned
everything from that I wanna learn.
It was so awful.
I mean, it's the most hopeless thing you
could ever go through.
You have fears, irrational fears.
It was just horrid.
Well, anyway, this fellow was there and we
talked once a week and it was getting
worse and worse.
It was long distance.
I couldn't touch him.
I couldn't reach him.
And every week I was glad when I
got to him because I wasn't sure that
possibly this warfare counselor, I consider a very
godly person, would be alive.
And when we get down to the hardest
thing for a teenager to do, which is
at the end of this, I'll tell you
what he did and what broke it.
But I'll tell you, every day was worse
and worse.
Didn't sleep all night long.
Couldn't get to sleep till two o'clock
in the morning and then had nightmares.
He was being killed or he was killing
people.
It was just unbelievably horrid.
You don't wanna go to sleep because it's
so awful, but if you don't sleep, how
can you do what you're supposed to be
doing?
It was a horrible thing that he went
through.
Okay, and we will go there, but I
want you to know that that was a
dimension I've never seen before where Satan only
used truth.
And be alert to that.
Now, why don't you search your heart?
You do it at the communion table.
It's a stop and start there.
I gotta go back to the Biola thing.
At Biola that time, before Neil was on
campus, they did not allow counseling.
We were taught psychology, how to psychologize people
in your church and stuff, but there was
no counselors there.
And if you went to, Dr. McGee was
my pastor and Dr. McGee would have said,
well, pray about it, get out of here.
He was not a counselor.
So I knew there was one godly woman
on campus that I could go talk to,
an English teacher.
And I went in and I told her
what I was going through.
I said, I feel hopeless.
I feel, oh, it was awful.
And she said, did it start at the
day of prayer?
He said, where he had us all go
into our hearts and examine our hearts before
the Lord.
I said, yeah.
He said, he never got us out of
there, did he?
And she said, when you were going through
the garbage of your life, what did you
expect to find?
I thought maybe a half-eaten pizza or
something.
And what was I finding?
I was finding what God said, in my
flesh dwells what?
No good thing.
And I was coming, you know, all this,
it's just wiping me out.
How could I ever be a pastor?
What am I doing in school?
Why am I killing myself trying to get
through this dumb school so I can do
something for God when this is going on?
And she got me out of my soul.
So we don't have counselees get into themselves.
We use Psalm 139.
Search me, O God, and know my heart.
Let the Holy Spirit do it.
What's the Holy Spirit's job?
To convict of what?
Sin, risks, and judgment.
Can the Holy Spirit do it or do
I have to help him out?
Let me tell you, when I have to
help the Holy Spirit out, I may get
into muck that I can't muck out of.
You understand what I'm saying?
See, when we have a wonderful paper that
you've got in this package, that you're going
to get by Warren Rusby, it's worth its
weight in gold.
I give it to almost all my counselees
because they're there.
He says, woe be to the Christian that
can't tell the difference between the convicting work
of Satan.
I mean, pardon me, the convicting work of
the Holy Spirit and the condemning work of
Satan.
And it tells you how to discern the
difference.
And it's excellent.
And so many, because, you know, the first
day I hear these guys, and man, oh
man, they read that and they go, man,
now I know what's going on.
Because even the attacks they're getting is true.
You know, as a kid he did this,
and he did this, and he did this,
he has all, and it's all into the
blood, but he still did it.
You know, Satan knows your past.
And he loves to use it.
So, you know, don't get people mucked into
themselves.
Let the Holy Spirit do it.
And the Holy Spirit does a better job
because the Holy Spirit sometimes will bring up
stuff they would have skipped.
That was really a key of why they're
under bondage.
Because it didn't seem that big compared to
this big stuff here.
I'll tell you, when you let the Holy
Spirit be involved in your counseling sessions, you
may find a lot of wonderful things happening
that never happened before, because you're listening to
the Spirit of God.
He's in that person.
He knows what's going on.
And he can bring it to the mind.
We ask him to do that.
Okay.
Now, how do counselors abuse teens?
If you haven't written anything down, write this
one down.
Putting my agenda before God.
Running teens through my sheep dip to get
rid of all the fleas.
Not depending on the Holy Spirit.
God brought them there.
God knows what they need.
But I've got to get them through my
seven steps, my 10 steps, my 12 steps,
or whatever.
And that's when the steps don't work.
Nothing wrong with steps.
We use steps.
See, we need to have an agenda.
We need to know where we're going to
stop and where we want to finish, right?
I mean, in the counseling session, we want
to know where we want to go.
But I can't put my steps, agenda, or
whatever over the kid.
And they know it if you're doing that.
Kids know whether you're pushing them through the
sheep dip or whether you care.
I didn't think it was that funny.
Kids don't think that's funny either, you know?
It's a guy taking out the trash.
Okay.
So we want to plan, but be flexible
in your plan.
Hear the heart of the kid.
And don't keep trying to push them.
And I can tell you, I could bring
literally at least 1,000 people in here
that have gone through our office that are
walking with God today that were a mess
before they walked in.
And it was learning not to force them
through my stuff, my agenda.
What?
Well, let's stop right there.
And those five things, you have any questions?
Maybe I haven't been real clear.
If you have any questions, I would like
to answer before we go into some of
the issues.
But this is just some basic stuff to
think about if you're gonna work with teenagers
or anybody, but teens.
Especially.
Teens are very sensitive.
You know who's the most sensitive in counseling
I found?
The fellows are more sensitive than girls.
You know, they want to lose their macho
-ness or whatever.
You know, they're real protective.
Okay.
Now, some teen issues.
I don't have them all on here, but
I will not counsel someone that's not a
Christian.
See, I'm not in the church.
And why bring a non-Christian all the
way across the United States, take him to
a pastor, let this guy get saved, that
may clear up everything.
So all the kids I do counsel, I
assume they're Christians.
Some are not, but at least they may,
you know, profession, they go to church or
whatever.
But I don't counsel unsaved.
I do when I like did the thing
with Ron, because there's, you know, so many
700 dads and kids there.
You know, I've led some of the kids
to the Lord.
They didn't even know the Lord.
You know, and that helps a lot.
But sometimes bondages before salvation remain bondages after
salvation.
Hey, I resent that.
Yeah, as I said, you add it up.
When you add up all the truth, the
bottom line is not true.
But it's not as like you think.
I mean, it's so deceptive.
It's so deceptive.
You know, if he'd have got a thought,
you know, go out and have sex with
a girl, that's the enemy.
Boom, you know, right away, he'd have resisted
that.
But there wasn't any of that stuff at
all.
Yeah, the question was, I can't remember, what
was your question?
Yeah, yes, and that is how Satan can
use total truth to defeat somebody.
The hard part was, really, because this person
was not someone I didn't know.
This person is someone that I loved very
much and was very close to me.
And I knew that the bottom line was
not true.
But if I would have said that, it
wouldn't have worked because the bottom line still
was true.
I don't wanna go into the whole thing,
but even when you add it up, it
was true.
But how it was taken was wrong.
It wasn't obvious.
I mean, this person counsels people, knows about
Satan's deception.
In fact, this person has taught counseling with
me.
You know what I mean?
It wasn't like someone that didn't know anything.
This is someone that knows as much about
this stuff as I do.
Yes, ma'am, way back there.
Okay, that's a good question.
When you go, if someone comes to you
for counseling and they are, you know, you're
counseling their kids and they would like to
have a lot of info about the counseling
session, what I found, and I never even
thought of putting that one down, is that
if I really help a teenager, and we'll
get into some really awful sexual stuff, I
have the kids connect with their dad, share
with their dad.
There is confidentiality.
Okay.
Okay, let's say that your son has been
secretly on the internet at night pulling up
pornography, getting into weird pornography and masturbating with
it.
So he tells me.
The folks don't know that he's slipping down.
In fact, I got a real weird story
to tell later on of a younger man
was worse than this, but they don't know
that's going on.
If that kid, if I help that kid,
what's he gonna do?
He's gonna go to his parents and he's
gonna clear his conscience with them and ask
forgiveness for what he's done and get his
dad praying for him.
Dad, would you pray for me?
Dad, I've got a real issue here.
And I'll share some real stories there that
was very hard for the kids to do
because they think their dad's gonna reject them.
That's what the kids fear, is if my
folks know this, they'll kick me out or
they'll reject me.
And you have to get a feel for
the parents too.
I would be concerned.
I'd be concerned because are they with you
or against you?
Some counselors, I don't have a right, unless
you're evil parents, you know what I'm saying,
to give the kids counsel that's against your
family values.
Boy, let me tell you, I get a
lot of that because I counsel, I've ministered
in all the major homeschool conventions in America,
and they're large, 15,000, 12,000, with
17,000 in LA, I've been there numerous
times.
So when the parents bring their kids, they
don't want me to tell the kids, you
need to go to public school.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
On public school, solve your problem.
I'm not going to go against the parents.
You understand what I'm saying?
I'll try to help the kid to hang
into homeschooling, but I'm not gonna go against
the values, okay?
Let's say that you're a family that, our
family was, our kids could not date, so
they're out of high school.
What's that?
They knew that.
I mean, I was a pastor, I showed
them all the girls who were pregnant in
our church and all the big mess, I
said, I'm sorry, I just don't think you
can handle it.
I mean, when I taught in Bible college,
some of those kids couldn't handle it either.
But you know, you just don't do it.
Well, I wouldn't want to take my kids
to a counselor and say, well, if you
were dating, well, sneak around on your dad.
How many girls climb out the window?
We get all this kind of stuff, guys
are climbing out the window.
See what I'm saying?
How do you know what that counselor's telling
them?
You know, are they on your page?
Do they have your values?
If not, I wouldn't take them, because I'll
tell you, counselors work against the parents, and
that's all the kid needs, is get people
on his side against you.
And parents would say, did you tell my
son this?
I said, absolutely not, you know me better
than that.
I'm not giving away secrets in counseling, because
I never said it.
I wouldn't say that.
That's not who I am.
I want to know sort of the values
of the parents that work with their kids.
I do not want to go against the
parents.
I mean, who is the authority over kids?
I kind of thought the family was.
I kind of thought there was a father,
you know, honor your father and mother, and
yet I'm telling the kid to go against
his parents.
I don't think that fits Ephesians to get,
or the Ten Commandments.
You understand what I'm saying?
And I would want to know.
I'd rather my kids not be counseled than
go to someone that's going to turn my
kids against me, that are already against me.
And maybe the parents need some help.
That make sense?
Yeah.
You know, if it's a real, real secret,
I'm wondering, what's the secret?
I can't tell you anything.
Yes.
Oh yes, I counsel a lot of single,
well, this kid that, you know, this kid
killing his brother?
It's a single, it's a single mom.
And it's very hard for her.
You know, it's hard being a single mom
with boys.
So we have him go to the mom.
Okay, let's get down to some of the
issues that we have to deal with.
I told you I had to deal with
an attempted suicide this week.
Had to leave the conference and go deal
with someone in town that tried to kill
themselves.
Teenagers.
But I use that story, I'm gonna go
back to that story again, because I want
you to think through.
Here, someone is calling me.
I get a lot of calls from missionaries
overseas because I traveled overseas and they know
who I am.
So I get a call from these missionaries
overseas, and I'm telling you, they're thousands of
miles away from here.
And two of their daughters try to kill
themselves.
Well, the first thing I do when I
get calls like this is to show as
much compassion and empathy over the phone to
those people.
I had kids.
And what would I do if two of
my daughters tried to kill themselves?
That would just tear my heart out.
And I try to just have the love
of Christ just come over that phone to
that person.
They understand, I understand the pain that they're
in as a family.
Where would you start?
Long distance.
They wanted to eventually, on furlough, to come
to Sioux City.
We get a lot of missionaries on furlough
that come through our office, but furlough was
a long way off.
Have you ever tried to follow a family
from wherever they are, a long ways away?
The finances are astronomical.
You know, to follow a whole family here.
Well, think about it.
Where would you, who do you get the
phone?
You weren't expecting this.
You're not prepared for this.
You get this phone call, and you're talking
to this person.
This is going on.
Where do you start?
I'll tell you where you start.
With the parents.
Not the kids.
One kid, maybe.
Two kids in one family.
What's going on in this family?
That's the big question I have.
Maybe there's a Holy Spirit, but it seems
to me that this is logical.
And guess what?
Mom and dad did not agree on how
to raise these girls.
Dad had rules.
Mom enforced them, but dad refused.
So who's the bad one in the family?
Mom is.
She's supposed to enforce his standards and rules
on their daughters, but when he sees them
breaking the rules, he does nothing.
I was very sympathetic and empathetic on the
phone to start with, but I don't think
that dad liked when I got a hold
of him.
And I went for the threat.
And he could see it.
I wasn't gonna pussyfoot around.
That what he was doing was terrible.
It was so terrible that his two daughters
wanted to get out of this family, and
the only way he got out of this
family in a foreign field was to kill
himself.
And he couldn't do this.
I mean, it's a long story, but it
was a parental issue.
It was not a teen issue.
You understand what I'm saying?
Well, I tell the girls, you know, don't
take those pills again.
What's that gonna do long distance?
To somebody they don't know, you know, don't
take those pills anymore.
Promise me you won't take the pills, okay?
That's not gonna work.
We had to change the what?
The situation in which those kids were just
absolutely tormented in.
It's horrible when mom and dads don't agree.
If you're married here, agree.
In front of the kids, anyway, fight in
the bedroom, or drive to a parking lot,
church parking lot, and have a big fight
out in the church parking lot, but don't
fight in front of the kids.
And the kids will play one against the
other.
They're so good at that.
Oh, mom, you know what dad's like?
Yeah, I married him.
Ha ha ha, you know, I know what
he's like.
I don't blame you, kid.
You know, well, you know, maybe we can
get him drinking, maybe be happy, you know,
I mean, or something, you know, it's just,
it's, I'll tell you a lot of teen
issues are what?
Mom and dad issues.
And sometimes you can't change mom and dad
issues.
We get a lot of that.
But I can change the kid and try
to get him plugged into God.
Maybe I can't change them.
Maybe I can't change this controlling mom that
controls her husband and controls everything.
I mean, I can't do anything about that.
But how do I help a kid to
live there?
And walk with God in the midst of
something that I would not wanna be in
myself.
That's part of the counseling deal.
It's not just dealing with his stuff.
He's gotta go back there.
You know what I'm saying?
How is he gonna handle it there?
We gotta add that to what I'm dealing
with.
I gotta help this kid to live in
that situation that is anything but good.
So in the suicide issues, the particular Christian
girl that did it here said it was
an attention thing.
Well, then you need to find out what
the attention is.
I couldn't see this girl until next month.
And I told the mom, that's too long.
Now, she got out of the hospital Saturday.
She doesn't need to wait next month.
So Glenn's gonna see her.
Glenn could work her in.
There's no way I could work this girl
in.
And Glenn's gonna work her in.
But we get, I mean, teenagers, well, teenage
suicide, I don't know the statistics, but it's
gotta be high.
I don't know if Neil's got the statistics
on that, but it's gotta be high.
Kids that are really hurting, and kids that
are cutting themselves, ah, that's unbelievable.
Not just the bulimic anorexic bit.
They're kids cutting themselves that are neither bulimic
or anorexic.
A guy that would cut himself so bad
he'd have stitches taken about once a week
in his legs.
Showed me his legs looked like a ladder.
He's whacking himself.
And when he'd get real angry, mad, he'd,
pfft.
But, so when there is a suicide issue,
get beyond the suicide.
Look at the situation.
What's the home situation?
How, you know, maybe that's where I really
need to start.
Or maybe it's just like this girl she
didn't like.
I couldn't see her, the mom and dad
aren't together.
I mean, it was just on the phone.
But, you know, I don't Mickey Mouse around
on the phone.
I have too many phone calls.
I'm gonna get to the throat, let's go
through it.
And I ask direct questions and try to
get some kind of a thought here of
what's going on and where can I begin
to help.
And you could do the same thing.
If you're counseling people locally, it's a lot
easier.
I mean, you realize we're sunk.
I mean, we got a week, that's it.
In and out, and they're gone.
And I can't keep calling everybody that's been
there.
It'd be impossible.
I forget how many phone calls we had
last year.
Like I had 6,000 or, you know,
long distance calls, something like that.
And then our counselee, so how do you,
you know what I'm saying?
It's way over your head, even when I
had Kevin up there helping me.
Okay, music issues.
This is a big issue with teens.
Why is it a big issue?
Well, write it down if you've never written
it down.
Music is an expression of the heart.
You want to know what's going on in
a teen, just find out what he's listening
to.
Just, there's a counselor here.
We're talking about a teen he's gonna have
to deal with.
And he went to, he's a blogger, and
he went and read this stuff on Blogger,
and it's Marilyn Manson and this kind of
stuff.
That's kind of unusual stuff for a committed
Christian teen to be listening to and putting
on his blog stuff.
Marilyn Manson is weird.
I was in Tasmania doing a conference there
at a university, and Tasmania is a beautiful
island off of Australia.
You want to figure out, where do I
want to retire?
Go to, I told my wife.
She says, I hate for you going places
because you always want to move there.
I said, oh, I agree.
It is so gorgeous.
It's like New Zealand, but smaller.
And I'm in Tasmania, and I'm getting on
the airplane.
I'm sitting next to some guy, and since
I'm so shy and have a very difficult
time in speaking, you know, right away I'm
starting talking to this guy, and he's with
the Red River Band.
Anybody know what the Red River Band is?
It's an Australian band.
And I thought, oh, he's probably lying to
me.
He said, well, we've been in the Fox
Theater in St. Louis.
Well, I knew what the Fox Theater was.
It was one of those theaters that pumped
millions of dollars and gilded everything.
Again, it's fancy, and he described it, so
I knew he was telling me the truth.
And he said, you know, he said, I
really got an awful thing to do.
Marilyn Manson's coming to Sydney, and I'm to
set up limousine service and get the airport
in his room and all that.
I said, you know, this guy's weird.
He said, man, I know what he said.
I don't really like it.
I said, I don't know if you're a
Christian or not, but let me tell you,
this guy is connecting with Satan and demons.
Oh, yeah, I believe in demons.
I said, well, this guy's got them.
And I said, you know, if I were
you, I'd become a Christian and pray God's
protection when you have to deal with this
screwball, you know?
I mean, this guy, you know?
I mean, anybody that bites live hegs off
a chicken before he sings is not exactly
someone I want to go and hear him,
you know?
I mean, this guy's strange.
Well, you know, anyway, when you have a
Christian teenager, and that's his stuff, there's another
teenage telephone call I got where the folks
are listening.
I don't know this, I'm not up on
teenage music, okay?
I don't listen to that stuff.
I'm a little more mature.
And it's a new thing, and it's like
from India, but it's dark.
They told me what it was.
I never heard it before, I can't remember.
But it's the tinkling.
So the music is not rock.
It's not anything like rock music.
It's sort of like melodious, but it's all
dark, dark, dark.
And the parents were telling me about this,
and they're going, our daughter's listening to this
stuff, and now she's writing suicide stuff in
her journal with the music.
Well, so you know, if you're going to
help somebody, they're going to have to do
something about their music.
You can't be listening to this hopeless, you
ought to be dead, you know, and all
this kind of stuff.
And you're counseling them, they go back to
that.
And that's what's going on, you know?
Being filled with the Spirit has something to
do with music.
I think I read in Ephesians.
You know, and it wasn't this dark stuff
you're singing in your heart.
So how do you deal with music?
Well, I have a list.
You can listen to these three songs from
Sandy Patty, these two from Steve Green, but
you can't listen to the, no, that's not
my job.
I don't have a music, you understand?
I don't have a music list.
I ask kids this, ask them if they've
got a music issue.
Are you listening to music your folks don't
approve of?
Good question, isn't it?
It's not what I approve of, it's their
parents.
Yeah.
I said, do you think that's right?
You think that's what, as a Christian, you
think God wants you sneaking around and listening
to music and you're hiding it, that you
don't want him, they don't want you to
listen to?
No, they think it's wrong.
So what should you do about it?
I probably gotta tell them.
Oh, you probably do.
You know what they're gonna do?
Yeah, they're gonna throw it away.
I said, be willing for that.
They're gonna trash it.
Because they're seeing behavior in your life and
they're wondering, what happened?
This kid seemed to be so whatever.
And now, they've changed.
The daughter's become more lewd or whatever's going
on.
And this is what I tell kids to
do, and this really works if they're willing
to.
A lot of the guys are.
They don't like where they are, but they
haven't made what?
Connections.
This horrible music you listen to, you can't
have much of a spiritual life listening to
music about raping girls.
And one guy was listening to this bad
music, he'd sit in this church, youth group,
wondering which girl he should rape.
And I'm going, man, I wouldn't want this
kid in my youth group.
And he'd always go there when he went
back to this horrible music.
He said, let me play it for you.
These guys were screaming so loud, I couldn't
get the words.
So I don't get it, I can't hear
it.
I mean, I hear a lot of noise,
but I can't hear what they're saying.
So he let me read the lyrics.
That stuff, you know, I thought I was
reading pornography.
They're actually saying this stuff?
And you play this stuff all the time?
He'd get rid of all that, he would
do really fine.
He'd go back to his music, he would
crash again.
And all these thoughts of rape and all
this kind of stuff, following this girl, hoping
he could drag her down an alley.
I mean, just horrible stuff.
I said, can't you make the connection between
your music and what's going on?
And you get back with the Lord and
things start going better, and then you go
back to your music.
So what I have them do, and that
is to go on a music fest.
This works, guys.
That they will not play any music at
all for at least one week.
Two weeks is better.
Now, you're gonna hear music wherever you go,
right?
You can't play music here.
You know, wherever you go, there's music.
But this is music they have jurisdiction over.
We're not talking about music.
We have a guy that drives by our
house.
Our house sits away from the street.
My wife, you know, is pretty much housebound.
And so she has her room where she
prays and studies and meets God.
It's in the back part of the house.
You get a whole living room and all
this stuff.
When he goes by, the windows rattle on
the back part of my house.
But what am I gonna do?
I'm on a music fest, guy.
I don't drive on my street.
You know what I'm saying?
No, I don't have jurisdiction over him.
And I'll tell you, when the kids start
playing their music, their spirit reacts to it.
You know, it's the frog in the water.
You know, as it gets deeper and they
wanna get more, worse music and more whatever,
whatever, whatever.
And when their spirit reacts, they're really willing
to get rid of it.
They said, I can't believe what was happening
inside of me.
My spirit, the spirit of the Lord was
being grieved or whatever.
I don't know what he does because I've
never had to go through this with a
music fest.
And the kids are convinced that there's something
really wrong here.
Now, some kids won't.
Well, I can't make them.
I'm just suggesting that you wanna deal with
your music.
You wanna see how it affects you.
Then as you're playing the music, be in
touch with the spirit inside of you.
And I'm not gonna tell them what to
listen to or not.
They know I'm old and they tell me
these groups, I've never heard of them.
You know, is this the mafia or a
singing group?
I can't tell.
Yes, go ahead.
Yeah, Fred Dickinson shares about people that have
been demonized after a scary movie.
When I didn't understand warfare and I was
pastoring in the state of Washington and the
exorcist came out, they're calling my church.
You know, I lay in the bed and
it shakes at night.
I said, well, some people put a quarter
in for that to happen.
No, I didn't.
I saw the exorcist and they're freaked out.
One guy found if he opened the Bible
to the gospel of John and laid it
on his chest, then after seeing the exorcist,
things wouldn't happen.
But if it slid off his chest, then
awful things would happen and he'd pull it
back on.
That seemed a little unusual for me, even
though I wasn't in warfare.
So I didn't suggest an open Bible in
your chest, you know, to deal with this.
So we did get a lot of calls.
I didn't believe in warfare.
It was interesting.
You know that that was true, that it
wasn't a girl, it was a boy and
was at the University of St. Louis.
The building in which all that took place,
I have a good friend who teaches there
and some faculty offices are now in that,
which was a dorm.
And there's creepy stuff still going on in
that building all these years later.
So, you know, the attitude, but that is
a true story that they made movies of
and did the movie Hollywood stuff of it,
that it really did happen, but it was
a priest and a boy.
And whatever university it is, you drive right
by it.
If you're going from, you know, to the
arch and all that, you drive right by
where the, and that building's right there.
He told me which one it was.
He says, you know, I don't want to
be in that building if they're dark.
And they tried praying through it and it
doesn't seem to cleanse it.
Just seems to be creepy stuff going on
in that building.
Okay.
See, I was supposed to read you a
letter.
Okay.
Before we go on, this goes back to
the, I photocopied a letter I get from
a 15 year old teenager that was in
the first issues.
I put this, I was going to tell
you to do that.
No.
Okay.
I think that when you counsel teenagers, I
trust when they leave you, you've got a
friend.
You know what I'm saying?
That the door's open.
They know you care.
I'd like to read this letter.
And this kid was 15 years old.
His sins could have put him in juvenile
hall and later on in prison.
I would like to thank you for the
help you gave me when I came to
see you.
I would like to say you had more,
you've had the best influence on my life
that I know of besides Jesus.
When I first met you, I was very
self-centered and unwilling to repent for my
sins that I had committed.
So he's coming in and that's his mindset.
Now I want to stay where I am,
I want to live where I am.
But talking to you helped me be able
to say, I'm sorry, very sincerely and repentantly.
I would like to say thank you once
again.
And this is one of the young men
that's going to be a roommate with me.
You never would have believed it.
He didn't want to come, didn't want to
be there.
And when he left, he considers me a
friend.
Kevin was also in on that counseling thing
and he writes to Kevin.
I get a lot of letters from teenagers
that were drug into my office.
But when they left, they found a friend.
Not a friend in Jesus, but a friend
in a counselor.
And you can be a teen's friend.
And you don't have to be young.
I mean, you really don't.
Just care.
You may be the only person in their
life that ever really cared for them.
And they saw the love of Christ in
you to them and that you really do
care about them.
So, you know, if every teenager that leaves
becomes your enemy, don't counsel them.
Something's wrong.
Something's really wrong.
Okay, so the music issue.
And remember, there are preferences and convictions.
And some parents say I have convictions.
You shouldn't listen to Marilyn Manson.
But I would rather you didn't listen to
this or whatever.
You know what I'm saying?
And I'm not getting into that.
That's a family issue.
But I've had kids go squeakier than their
parents once they did the music fast.
You know, they're going, wait, this stuff is
really stirring up stuff in me.
It's really wrong.
A lot of it can stir up sexual
desires.
You know, some of that music is very
sensual and guys are finding out part of
their sexual addictions was connected to the music
or the music.
You know, what came first, the addiction or
the music or both together, but they do
come.
Okay.
Now we're gonna get into the sexual issues.
I wanna go with men.
I have never counseled men.
And I don't counsel very many women.
The reason I don't counsel women is usually
they can get help where they are.
And I really am not comfortable in counseling
women with sexual issues.
I don't think it's right.
I don't think it's proper.
You know what I mean?
For me to get involved in their sexual
life.
And yet if we don't go there and
that's her issue, we missed it.
She needs a woman.
We don't have a woman counselor.
But a good friend of mine, Rachel, sitting
right in front of Kevin.
Rachel has a degree.
She's a lawyer.
But she realizes she's limited in being able
to counsel.
So what Rachel's doing now, she's going to
the University of Ohio or somewhere, getting after
having her doctorate in laws, she's going to
get a master in, was it social?
Social and social stuff.
So she can be licensed to counsel because
she has such a burden.
I would love being Rachel.
I've known Rachel since she was 15.
Now that she's 17, it's wonderful.
Anyway, I mean, Rachel's one of these kids
that I worked with their family years and
years and years ago and we've stayed friends
all these years and I've seen Rachel on
and off.
But Rachel will be wonderful.
She's a very pretty girl.
Rachel dresses well.
You know what I mean?
And she even combs her hair and stuff.
I mean, girls going to a woman counselor
are looking.
And they get this, oh, you know, if
I follow their advice, will I look like
that?
You know what I mean?
I tell guys, you know, I said, man,
you know the reason I don't take my
shirt off when I'm counseling you?
You'd eat your heart out.
You know what I mean?
I don't want to believe they're going to
look like me because they counsel with me.
We have fun in counseling.
We do, I mean, we can be in
the midst of everything and roar with laughter
and get back to stuff.
You know, I enjoy what I do.
If I didn't enjoy, I'd bail out of
it, you know.
But I enjoy it.
But it's so much better for a woman
to work with a woman.
It really seems like that in scripture.
That it's far better for a girl to
work with girls, but the problem is there's
not that many out there that are trained
to do this.
I think that's why care is so wonderful.
Elaine Pakala, let me tell you, as sweet
as she is, she can go for the
throat.
You know, I go for the throat.
I'm a male chauvinist, you know.
You don't really understand.
But Elaine is not afraid to get to
the issue.
You know, let's go to the issue.
And she's so sweet, she disarms you.
Isn't she a sweet gal?
She's just a sweetheart, you know, and gals
can do that.
You know, you know they love, but they're
going right, going where you don't want to
go.
I'm comfortable to go there, but I need
to go there.
And that's, a woman is really, really super.
But anyway, so I counsel a lot of
dads, and that would be thousands of dads
over the years.
I've never, and most of the dads are
in sexual bondages that come to the office,
because that really brings a guy out when
he is really trapped, and he knows he
can't get out of this.
I've never counseled a man in sexual bondage
that he didn't start having sexual defeat at
five or earlier.
Never.
I'm talking about bondages.
We have guys that are being defeated.
It's one thing to be defeated.
It's different than bondage and defeat.
It's different being tempted and being in bondage.
I'm talking about guys in bondage.
I want this guy to write a testimony,
but I'm afraid I can never put it
in my prayer letter.
This guy came for counseling.
He told me a story.
I think it's the most tragic story I've
ever heard of a childhood in my whole
life.
His mother is a movie star, a beautiful
movie star.
His father is a very famous musician, and
people love his CDs.
His mother dated Clint Eastwood, that kind of
guys.
His mother's, whatever you call it, who's they
have that gets movies and stuff, whatever you
call that person, agent, also sold her and
made money with all kinds of people and
she'd be drunk and all this stuff.
When he was five years old, the agent
molested him until he had an erection and
put him on top of his mother.
That's his first introduction to sex at five
years of age.
He saw his mother entertaining all kinds of
men with doors open and all this stuff.
He knew everything that men and women did
by the time he was six.
At seven years of age, the mother decided
that since she and the husband were separated,
that he needed male figures in his life.
Now, that sounds so good, doesn't it?
I mean, the mom's kind of saying, well,
this guy needs male figures.
So she gave him to some homosexuals to
raise.
So at seven years of age, he's given
to homosexuals who were into spiritism.
So he saw him doing seances and all
this stuff and now he saw what men
did because they did it openly before him.
As far as he knows, they never accessed
him in any way whatsoever.
In fact, he has high regards for one
of the fellows who was the first guy
they ever showed him and that he cared
about him, but he never did anything.
Now, when he was nine years of age,
he goes out on the grass and he
sits there and he says, God, do you
know the world's crazy?
That was his first prayer, letting God know.
This is a crazy world.
Now, do you think possibly they may have
some marriage problems?
The guy has done very well financially.
You'd never know.
You'd never know by looking what was all
going on in his life.
Of course, we had to go back and
he had to deal with those early issues
in his life.
What was this concept of women?
What was this concept of sex?
What was all this stuff that he got
as a child?
Now, he's a mature adult and trying to
deal with all of this stuff that he
just stuffed.
Now, he was not a dissociative, but he
did dissociate to a degree.
But you know what I'm saying?
It's a different trick.
I dissociated too.
You know my horrible childhood?
Not childhood, because I went to Dan.
I've told you this before.
We're getting all these dissociative people and I
go to Dan and I said, I think
I'm a dissociative.
I must be.
I mean, how could you grow up in
all that I went through and all the
horrible stuff and I tried to kill myself
at 15?
Obviously, I must be a dissociative.
But I didn't dissociate.
You know why?
The awfulness didn't start until I was in
junior high.
And so the way I dealt with it
was masturbation and fantasy.
I just tripped off on my head.
That was really good in class.
I did the same thing.
I'd be in class and I would be
out there.
You know, just deal with it.
I was on vacation.
I was playing on the playground.
I was, you know, whatever.
I just learned to not be there.
But the bad part of that, even after
I saved, when I got married and my
wife wanted to deal with issues I didn't
want to deal with, guess what I did?
Come on there.
I'm preaching a message like Billy Graham or
whatever, you know.
I was out here, out there.
Another way I handled my dad was when
things were so bad I'd go to bed
and go to sleep because he's so drunk
and he's being so awful.
If I'm asleep, I won't hear him.
So when my wife and I would have
discussions as Mr. and Mrs. Pastor, guess who
would go to bed and go to sleep?
Ta-da!
I learned how to deal with stuff.
It doesn't work too good.
This is not counseling.
What I'm telling you is as I learned
to deal with issues as a teenager it
slopped over into my ministry as a pastor.
So you've got to realize that these things
in the past can have a real effect
on the present and you may have to
go there.
Well, we do go there.
I never deal with the guys in sexual
bondage that we don't go to the very
first time that he realized he was sexual.
And it's always five, four, molested, behind the
barn with somebody or that kind of stuff.
Okay.
I got notes down the side because I
added after I did this.
I want to go to the story of
the girl that called me from Bible school
that demons were having intercourse with her at
night.
I know this girl.
A Christian girl.
Committed girl.
I couldn't believe this.
I mean, it was so hard, but I
didn't tell her that.
I don't believe it.
You know, she tried calling me many times
and wouldn't because I knew her.
If it was Rachel, Rachel would have a
hard time calling me because I've known Rachel
for so many years she wouldn't want to
say that over the phone.
You know what I'm saying?
It's like how could I say this to
somebody I've known for years?
But she told me.
Now, I want to tell you something very
important in counseling.
Anybody.
It's not what's happening is important.
The important thing is why.
Right?
I could tell I had a crucifix on
the wall, you know, and they probably won't
do this.
But that's not answering the question why.
Why?
Don't get caught up in the what.
I need to hear the what, but I
need, like those girls, they tried to kill
themselves.
You know, well, don't take the pills and
hide them or lock them up or what,
you know.
No, why are these girls so miserable they
want to kill themselves?
Christian girls on the mission.
You know, why is this guy, why is
this guy having problems in his marriage?
I'll tell you why.
We went back to his childhood.
His introduction to what he thought was normal
living.
You know, if that's all you know, that's
all you knew.
You know what I believe for years that
Thanksgiving and Christmas times were?
It's where families got together, got drunk, played
pinochle, and told dirty stories.
I've never been to your house for Thanksgiving.
It was only at mine, or my aunt's,
or my uncle's.
You know what I'm saying?
That's all I knew.
That's what I thought it was.
And you haven't counseled these.
I had the same thing.
That's all they've known.
They don't know anything else.
That's the only house they grew up in.
Teenagers, that's the only house they've been in.
They don't know what goes on in someone
else's house when the doors are shut.
Okay.
So, I asked this girl, I said, oh,
this is tragic.
She said, Dr. Logan, it's so terrible.
But the horrible part of it, it's pleasurable.
You're going to find that in bondages.
That's the hard part of bondages.
It's pleasurable.
And I hate it, but it's pleasurable.
And I said, could you sort of tell
me the history of this?
You know, because it's not normal for Christian
girls to be attacked by demons.
Boys are too.
We have teenage boys that are attacked by
demons.
I had a kid at one of the
Bible schools that would call me every time
he'd be attacked.
He'd be taken to shower, and someone was
having anal sex with him, but no one
was there.
He'd wake up, and he was having intercourse
with nobody.
This is not, I mean, if you're going
to counsel, you will get incubus, succubus stuff,
because things are getting worse.
Our culture is not getting better, it's getting
worse, and you're going to have to deal
with this, and you have to be comfortable
to hear it, even though it's not something
you want to hear.
Who are they going to tell if they
can't tell you?
Well, this is what happened, and it fits
into the stuff I loved.
Well, I loved Clinton Arnold.
I mean, he's my hero.
Although I can hardly understand his books, he's
my hero.
He's pretty smart.
And this other character he brought from Talbot
was pretty good, too.
And a lot of stuff they said, and
I'm telling you, fits counseling.
You know what they were going through?
I'm telling you, a lot of the stuff
they were saying.
Okay, so I asked this girl, could you
go back and give me some history to
this?
And she went back.
When she was a teenager, some friends of
her asked her if she had these manifestations
of the Holy Spirit.
She didn't.
Well, don't you want to be spiritual?
Don't you want a shortcut to spirituality?
Don't you want a shortcut?
That's not what they were saying, but here's
a shortcut.
You get this, and you're going to get
all this wonderful spiritual stuff.
So she was 14 or so.
She went to this church, and they went,
whew!
And she fell over backwards.
And then she had a language she never
had before.
And what's so hard about falling over backwards?
What's so bad about being slain in the
Spirit?
That's it.
You're not in control.
There's a euphoric kind of thing.
When I open myself up to someone else,
and if that person isn't trusted, be careful.
I just got a call last week of
a 14-year-old boy who committed very
lewd acts on a 5-year-old.
And this incest stuff is increasing.
I can't tell you how many parents that
I'm counseling that are there because of incest
within the family.
It's major proportions.
What should you do about counseling incest issues?
What you need to do in counseling incest
issues is you've got to find the laws
of your state.
If not, you are in serious trouble and
may find yourself in legal trouble.
What is mandatory requiring of your state?
It's not national.
It is state level.
I can counsel molestations from Nebraska if it's
beyond North Sioux or South Sioux, whatever they
call that over there, because it's right across
the river.
If I counsel anyone in Iowa that was
molested or molesting, I am required by law
to report it.
But if I am counseling people outside of
the state and it took place outside of
the state, then you don't report it to
the state because it was not a state
issue.
It happened out of the state.
That's one of the most important things when
you get into this stuff because you're going
to be amazed at the increase of this
stuff that's going on, this sexual stuff that's
going on.
The incest stuff is really big.
What about perversion?
We deal with tons of this stuff.
And I don't understand this, but I can
tell you this, but I do not understand
that often a person's first sexual experience can
put him down the road to seek that
experience again, especially if it was pleasurable.
Now, there may be iniquities.
There may be generational stuff.
But I'll tell you another thing I can't
understand is where two people do the same
thing together and one goes to a perverted
lifestyle and the other person does not.
Is that iniquities?
Is that generational stuff?
I don't know.
But as you work with these people to
find out where did it start, what happened,
we're out.
Did anybody take more than one?
Well, get a hold of Jim Gaskell and
ask him because we can run that off
again.
I'm sorry.
I think they had 50 in there.
We're out.
Totally out.
Should they give their name and address?
Yeah, he'll talk to Jim about it.
Yeah, I'm going to keep going.
We'll see what's going to happen.
Okay.
Pornography on the Internet is trapping young men,
probably girls too to some degree, but it
is increasing.
And the problem is it's not just nudes.
It's worse than that.
And when I was with Colonel, one of
the fellows came to me.
He maybe was 13, 14, and he said,
I've got to talk to you in private.
And he began to open up his horrible,
evil life, twisted.
And I don't want to go into them.
But in all the men that I have
counseled that are twisted, only one of them
did this weird thing.
Only one.
It's not something you'd figure out yourself.
And this kid said, Do you ever counsel
anybody who does this?
And I said, How in the world did
you know to do that?
It's so weird.
It's so gross.
It is so yucky.
He said, Oh, I get up at night,
I go to the web, and I look
at how men do stuff to get an
erotic feeling.
And then I try it.
But in order to do this, he had
to steal stuff.
And it wasn't cross-dressing.
I get cross-dressers and transvestites, and cross
-dressers and transvestites are not the same.
And if you put them together, you're in
trouble, and they're going to be upset.
There's a whole difference between those two issues.
And we get that, too.
If there's any evil you can do, it's
been through our office.
I tell kids, I'll say, If you're doing
something evil that I've never heard of, I'll
tell you.
You're not going to shock me.
I'm here to help you.
Don't hide it, because the thing you hide,
you're going to walk out with.
But going, and what do you do?
Move.
What do parents do?
You want to be on the Internet?
Put the computer where everybody can see.
That's at least one step.
You know?
Where it's not, you know, down in the
basement somewhere.
See, it'd be like having a stack of
pornography in the garage and tell your son,
don't go there and look.
It's the same thing.
It's going to cry out to them.
And they can pop up without wanting them
to pop up.
You know Mike.
Mike runs the thing here in the black.
Mikey.
I go in the back and say, Mike,
I've got to make some airline arrangements.
Would you go ahead and do this?
And he goes, and up pops a girl
that couldn't afford a top of any sort.
I said, Mikey, is this what you do
back here when none of us are around?
He goes, oh, Logan, Logan, we've got to
get her off.
He kept pushing delete and her sisters kept
popping up.
I mean, he couldn't get her off and
he just turned the thing off.
You know, he was so embarrassed because we
were going to get airline tickets and got
this girl.
What about your son that all of a
sudden gets this one of these attractive half
-naked ladies popping up on the screen?
Oh, my son wouldn't look.
Oh, really?
Let's take him to a doctor.
You know, how are, I'm sorry, but how
are guys stirred up?
By sight.
I don't think the enemy doesn't know that.
And it's very hard for a kid, once
he's seen something like that, how does he
wash it out of his head?
And knows it's right there and he just
pushes the more button and he gets, not
just seeing naked people, he gets to see
how they do things and then he, you
know, education is to practice it.
So he's being educated to practice this stuff.
I have to get back to this girl.
Anyway, I asked this girl, when did this
start?
Well, she got the Holy Spirit at 14.
And the Holy Spirit loved her so much
he began to stimulate her sexually.
And she thought, this is so wonderful that
she had this wonderful experience in church and
she got the Holy Spirit through being slain
in the spirit and now she has an
aesthetic language and at night the Holy Spirit
comes into her room and gives her these
wonderful sexual feelings.
Didn't have a whole lot to put together,
didn't have much of a Christian background or
whatever, you know, just seeking a deeper experience.
I'm sure that they haven't used that in
their thing of going for more power, more
spirituality kind of stuff.
And then she realized this can't be the
Holy Spirit and she cried out to God
and she was totally delivered for a number
of years.
I said, well then, why did it come
back at college now?
I mean, that's your teenage past, so it's
making sense.
This is what happened when she was a
teenager, she didn't stop it, she was all
confused about this and thought it was God
giving her the pleasure and all this kind
of stuff.
Well, she's a very committed girl.
Believe me, when I say she's committed, I
know her, she's real committed, she has a
burden for the lost, has high principles, high
moral standards, she's not dating everybody, she's an
extremely attractive girl, Jim Gaskell knows her, very
attractive girl.
And what happened is, a guy in the
dorm, she's in mixed dorms, a guy in
the dorm, she met in the hallway and
he smiled at her, very good looking, his
muscles were all in the right place, and
he has hair everywhere on his head too,
and shook her hand and said he was
so glad to meet her.
And he's lost and unsafe and she began
to fantasize about him, about dating him, wouldn't
it be wonderful if he would like her
and all this stuff, and it started again.
But see, what had started is she hadn't
been there before, I doubt it, but because
she had been there and had done this,
she knew that missionary dating is not in
scripture.
You know, don't be unthinkably open to believers
and getting involved in that kind of stuff.
Not that she couldn't witness to him, but
she wanted him for a boyfriend.
In fact, she was thinking about wouldn't he
be a wonderful husband.
And she said, I'm thinking about him all
the time.
I don't think the enemy was helping her.
Bringing up, bringing up, and then it started.
So she confessed that.
That it was wrong to fantasize about this
unsafe fellow, and not, you know, her attachment,
I mean she was literally ending into a
soul tie with a guy that showed no
interest in her except being nice.
And it was just a horrible connection and
we broke that over the phone and all
of that.
And it stopped when she confessed her involvement
with this guy mentally, and all this stuff.
And she's doing okay now.
You know, I'll tell you another thing.
The temptations, if you're tempted to do something
you've never done, the power of that temptation
is not as strong if it's something you
have done in your past.
And you already know the pleasures of it.
You understand what I'm saying?
I said, you're never tempted with the same
kind of power to do something you've never
done.
But if you have a lot of past
failures in your past, the temptation to go
back there is very strong because you already
know the power of it and the pleasure
of it.
I was going to tell you about the
time I took all the marijuana in my
office I'm not going to tell you about
it.
But don't do it.
You know, I'm so much one to help
kids.
He brought all this marijuana to smoke because
he didn't know if I could help him.
I know his parents are major Christian leaders.
If I said the parents' name, he'd know
this kid.
He had one of these bags from the
grocery store full of marijuana.
I don't see how he could smoke the
whole thing if he smoked all day and
night.
But he thought, well, that's what he could
do when he wasn't counseling with me, was
smoke this marijuana.
So I kept it for him.
And someone in the law enforcement said, you
mean you put it in your drawer in
your office?
Yeah, I want to help the kid.
He said, oh, don't.
Don't take the marijuana.
You keep it.
You throw it away.
I did have him get rid of it.
But anyway, don't take the marijuana.
Okay.
How do you deal with pre-teens in
sexual bondage?
Parents brought a kid to me that I
knew that he didn't know that I knew
that they found pictures of a 12-year
-old boy at just turned 12 pictures under
his mattress of jockey short ads of men.
That's not what you want to find as
a father.
You know, a Christian family.
They were sick.
They called me on the phone and said,
what should we do?
I said, don't do anything.
You're going to come here.
Don't confront him.
Just leave it.
So the kid comes in to see me.
He's 12 years old.
And the family wasn't totally true because the
kid has heard me speak.
They said, we're going there for a family
checkup.
A family tune-up.
And Logan's going to tune up all the
kids.
So I didn't start with him.
I started with his sister.
I got him in there.
And what do you say to a kid
that just turned 12 and say, you know,
do you masturbate?
Oh, yeah.
I'm going to tell you all about it.
No way he's not going to talk to
me.
You know, do you have pictures of men
that you're hiding?
No way is he going to tell me.
Let me tell you, 12-year-olds are
worse than 14-year-olds.
I mean, there's a thing, you know, just
walks in, sits down.
I mean, I like to kind of go
for the throat, but not that quick.
So I said, Lord, what do I do?
You know, I've got to see all the
rest of the family, and this kid is
in a mess.
What do I do?
You've got to do something.
I'll tell you, the Lord will come to
your rescue.
Cry out to him.
The kid crossed his legs and his pant
leg went up, and you could part the
hair on his legs at 12 years of
age with a comb.
I mean, I've seen less hair on a
monkey.
I said, wow, look at that.
He says, what?
I said, man, look at the hair on
your legs.
When did you get 12?
Well, I was 12 two months ago.
I said, what?
He says, you want to see the other
one?
So he pulls his pant legs up, and
you see this, you can hardly see skin
with all those long black hair.
I said, man, you've gone through puberty.
He said, Logan, I'm a man all over.
And I said, that's too bad.
Say that.
I said, because you have men's desires in
a boy's body.
He said, Logan, you got to help me.
I masturbate, I look at men's pictures, and
I don't even know why.
You've got to help me.
And I hugged him, and he wept on
my shoulder.
12 year old kid.
Just opened up right away.
But God gave me the can opener.
You know what I'm saying?
I had to cry out to God, I
didn't know what to do.
See, I said, I don't have all the
answers.
I don't even know all the questions.
I haven't counseled in this long enough yet.
So, we talked, we went through all this
stuff, we did a lot of stuff on
how to take background, all that.
I said, but you need to tell your
dad.
He said, I can't tell my dad I
do that stuff.
My dad would have never masturbated.
I said, I bet he did.
No, I don't think so.
He said, remember, this is confidential.
I said, yeah.
I said, no, you gotta tell him.
I said, just pray about it.
And tell me tomorrow what the Lord tells
you.
He comes in, and he looks like a
hound dog.
I said, what happened?
He said, I prayed.
That's what the Lord tells you.
He said, tell my dad.
I said, well good, he can pray with
you.
I mean, he's there.
I wish you could move in with me,
but if I had all these kids moving
in with me, my wife would move out.
You know what I mean?
We can't have all these teens at our
house.
You know, I love you.
You can always call me.
I care about you.
So he calls his dad in, and I
don't know what's gonna happen here.
He calls his dad in, and he sits
on the couch, and he puts his arm
around his dad, and this boy was adopted.
He put his arms around his dad, and
this was a number of years ago.
He looks at his dad.
He said, dad, I have something very important
to tell you.
Son, I've got pictures on it.
He said, dad, do you ever masturbate?
I'm going, uh-oh, am I gonna kick
a dad?
What am I gonna do here?
And the dad said, yes I did.
And he said, oh dad, I'm so glad.
I'm a mess.
I need your help.
I need your prayers.
Isn't that beautiful?
You know, it's so beautiful.
You got a dad that, oh, I don't
know what you're talking about, kid.
Would you explain it to me?
What's the word mean?
You know, I mean, it's, I'll tell you,
God is such an orchestrator.
If you could see the moving of the
spirit, it is so, I mean, why am
I doing this at 74 years of age?
I could be on a rocking, on a
porch, rocking.
You know, why am I doing this?
Because I love to see what God does
in the lives of these people and these
kids.
It's addictive.
I'm addicted to God.
I'm addicted to teenagers that are in a
mess.
I love it.
Okay.
Let's go down in the warfare issues because
we're running out of time.
One of the things that I don't think
is on here is breaking salt ice, but
you have material in breaking salt ice.
I think we put it in your notebook
and it's also in here.
I wanted to be sure that you got
it and there's nothing in there now.
But breaking salt ice, that is unbelievable.
I just got a call from a family
whose daughter is sneaking off with a guy
that beats her up.
Explain that one.
Why does a teenage girl go out with
a guy that beats her up, puts her
down, says all this stuff?
It's a salt ice.
And you have material on how to break
a salt ice.
And parents need to pray when they see
it happening because you tell your daughter, don't
like this kid.
Oh, that works.
Okay.
Oh, yeah.
Okay, Mom, I won't like him anymore.
Okay, I won't like her anymore.
You got to start praying that God would
sever that emotional connection there that you know
is going to take one of them down
the wrong path.
You know, God does not warn girls about
lewd men in the Bible.
He warns girls about sloths.
You know how a sloth gets in your
daughter's life?
A sloth You don't know how much you're
helping me.
You know, this girl's so polite.
She's mothering this jerk at 14.
You know, he's sucking everything out of her.
And then he wants her to prove her
love and all that.
But God does warn fellows about lewd girls.
I wasn't as concerned about my daughter's getting
involved with some jerk as I was with
some floozy to get involved with my son
because he's a 100% boy.
You know, and these girls would call the
house and want to date him.
And I said, Rich, why are these girls
calling the house?
Dad, any girl that calls the house and
wants to date you can go out with
her and do whatever you want to.
I said, I didn't know that.
But he couldn't date and he didn't want
to anyway in high school.
He waited and got a beautiful woman, wonderful
wife that was pure because he had made
a commitment he would not marry a girl
that had been immoral.
If he kept himself pure, God had somebody
out there for him.
And God brought him into his life when
he was a youth pastor downtown.
Okay, I call it the You're going to
see more and more this thing of Harry
Potter.
Really, listen, Schnaben, those guys right here are
talking about all the practice.
One out of ten kids that sees Harry
Potter is going to try something.
And how many million kids have been to
the movies?
So, you know, that.
Go into Walmart.
They have books on witchcraft for little kids
and witchcraft for teenage kids in their books
thing.
I looked.
How to do it?
How to do this kind of stuff?
I mean, Walmart is selling it in their
book center.
So, you're going to get a lot more
of this stuff going on, and especially as
the movies and TV take on more what?
You know, I was a vampire for Jesus
and all these other things.
All these programs out there.
And kids are watching it.
And usually, I don't know what Buffy the
vampire was like, but probably she was a
nice vampire.
I don't know.
Maybe only suck blood out of bad boys.
I don't know what she did.
But you know what I mean?
You're going to have all this.
Kids are seeing this all the time.
It is going to affect them.
You know, if you had said a cult
to me when I was going to high
school in Hollywood, California, I wouldn't know what
you're talking about.
In fact, if you said pornography when I
was going to high school in Hollywood, California,
I wouldn't know what you're talking about.
I never saw pornography in high school.
Now, hardly any kid that I see, no
matter whose kid they are, has seen pornography.
It's been thrown on the road.
They picked it up here.
They've seen all this stuff already.
Another one, and this is amazing, how many
Christian kids pray to Satan?
If God doesn't answer their prayers, if that
girl doesn't like him, if this doesn't happen,
they pray to Satan.
Once a kid prays to Satan, they better
break that, because usually after that, if Satan
answers their prayer, I tell the kid, there
ain't no free lunch.
You ask Satan to do something for you
as a Christian, and it happens, you are
going to pay a price, and you'll be
shocked at how many good Christian kids from
good Christian families have prayed to Satan as
a teenager.
That's gotta be broken.
I was amazed.
Someone told me, I never did that, start
asking.
I started asking, and I thought, I'm I
can't believe the kids would have done that.
Spirit guides.
One of the ways to find out if
someone has spirit guides, is to have parents
ask their kids this.
They call on the phone crying.
I say, ask them about little kids.
Do you ever hear things
no one What do you hear?
Oh, they tell me to go to the
balcony and jump off.
The mom's crying.
She didn't know someone was hearing stuff.
I shared this with a doctor who was
working with.
They lived in a creepy house.
The mom said, you've got to ask our
kids.
I know they're probably seeing things.
You've got to ask them.
They kept coming every year.
His wife pressured him to do this.
He said, you boys ever hear things no
one else hears.
Do you hear things no one else hears?
Yes.
Oh, no.
Dad, come out in the backyard.
You hear the voices, too.
Down the street was a car dealer.
Rob, Rob, go to bed number one.
See, dad?
Praise God.
I wish it was all some car dealership
down the road.
But it isn't.
And you'd be amazed of kids that are
hearing things and seeing things no one else
sees.
They don't want to talk about it or
they were told not to talk about it.
Don't tell anybody.
I'm giving you special advice.
is usually younger kids.
We get a lot of calls where kids
are seeing eyeballs.
I have a funny one happening in Singapore.
Curses.
I was going to tell you about a
Mayan boy that was under curses.
I think it's a video I did for
Bible translators.
An uncle was cursed and they broke the
curse and the uncle came to the boy.
He went 12 hours on a bus to
get down to the translation center.
Negative words visualize achievement.
The greatest thing, the greatest tool was my
dad's negative words.
You'll never mount anything.
I operated under that curse for years.
I believed what he said.
I wasn't going to let him down.
I negative
energy toward an object or a person being
cursed.
That's right out of the two-volume thing
of Hebrew words.
I can't think of their names.
I don't know what they were.
I said, what are those?
I have all this Hebrew and Greek help
on the floor by my chair when I
do devotions.
And I pull the books up.
I got to look up words.
I just do.
Just like put on in the armor.
You know, I wasn't sure what that meant.
No, I knew what it meant.
For some reason, I had looked it up.
You know what it means?
To put on like clothes.
So I thank my counselees for not coming
naked any day, you know, to the office.
But what's he saying?
As I put on clothes every day, what
should I do?
Put on the armor.
That's what he's saying.
Look in the Greek, you know.
You don't trust me, trust Zodiates or somebody.
Okay.
Religious spirits.
They are the most difficult of all spirits
to deal with.
People that have religious spirits.
It is terrible.
What about religious spirits?
Here is a key.
I cried out to God.
Whenever we get a new counselor, he gets
a run of people with religious spirits.
They only tell them to do religious things.
Never negative.
Never sin.
Just religious stuff.
How can you tell someone who has a
religious spirit?
First of all, if it's a woman, she
is sickening sweet.
Like too much sugar in my coffee, you
want to spew it out.
You ever met someone?
Oh, it's so good to see you.
Lady, let go of my hand, you know.
There is just something about them that doesn't
ring true, and they are just so sweet.
Legalistic, critical, judgmental religious spirits.
And they are critical about, you know, what
the pastor said or didn't say or didn't
smile or whatever.
It's horrible.
That's like a knife in my heart.
How do you deal with religious spirits?
And this has been the key.
I didn't know what to do.
We did all the counseling stuff, and one
day I said, God, you got to help
me.
I mean, you tell somebody that reading the
Bible is wrong?
I thought you were a biblical counselor.
I mean, aren't you a reverend as well
as doctor?
I can't believe that you would say not
to pray and not to do this.
How do you deal with this?
Very simple.
God brought two passages of scripture to me,
and it clicked.
Psalm 23.
The Lord is my shepherd.
What does he do to me?
He leads me twice.
John 10.
What does a good shepherd do?
He leads me.
What are people under religious spirits?
They are driven people.
They have to read so long of the
Bible.
We have guys that have to go back
and read one more chapter because they didn't
get it all done before they came.
They have to.
Or they have to pray 10 more minutes
because they didn't finish the full hour that
they're supposed to pray.
They have to.
And it's all religious activity.
Remember Wanda?
The gal in my book, the first missionary,
the first person that ever had demons, and
she had them really well, so I got
my attention.
Wanda had religious spirits.
If the enemy had told her one thing
evil, she would have known.
She went to Fred Dickinson.
They put her in a mental hospital.
I was in Toronto speaking, and I'm going,
Oh, no, one of our missionaries is in
a mental hospital in a straightjacket.
But she had religious spirits, and they were
running her life.
Things to remember.
One, demons can use truth to defeat us.
Second is the self-concept of the kids
you're dealing with.
You cannot live beyond the concept of yourself.
When I was vice president of CEF, sitting
in my office, the Lord used four or
five of us to start a Bible college,
and Seattle is still going today.
I taught another wonderful Bible college.
They asked me to come and teach.
I'm vice president of the largest mission in
the world.
I'm on board submissions.
I've traveled all over.
I was sitting in my office, and it
came to me that I wasn't dumb, and
that wasn't that many years ago.
I didn't hear voices.
I didn't have to.
Why?
My dad convinced me growing up that I
was dumb.
I wanted to run up and down the
hallway and say, Guess what?
You know, the people in the building, we
have 132 people on staff there that are
there all the time, plus all two.
Hey, guess what?
I'm not dumb.
They said, We never thought you were.
But you know what I'm saying?
It's like, Wow.
But that was the last residue of a
negative childhood.
I mean negative.
And I had to work with my dad
mowing lawns in Beverly Hills.
Team's perspective.
Remember, it's not what's happening is the real
issue.
It's what is happening.
That is the real problem.
Start with why or what's going on there,
not just what's happening right now.
Get to the root of that thing.
See, how I perceive a teenager, how I
perceive my situation is how I will react
to it or respond to it.
My parents are my enemies.
How am I going to respond to them?
That make sense?
See, I've got to realize this is where
the kid is, and I've got to get
in there or I'm not really going to
help him.
I could take him to the sheep dip,
but he walks out.
I never got to some of the core
stuff.
And I had my sheep dipping, and I
did a lot of sheep dipping.
And I'm sorry I did some sheep dipping.
You know, I had to get him through
next.
Okay.
The most difficult prayer a teenager would make
is two things.
James 4.
They do just before we pray against demonic
spirits, and that is submitting to God.
What does it mean to submit to God?
It's for a teen to open up every
area of his life to the Holy Spirit
and asking the Spirit of God to fill
every area of his life.
Where it should be said, any area of
your life, you don't want God to control,
Satan will.
They're putting a bullseye on the test.
You can have everything but my dating life.
God, you can have everything but my music.
And I have them identify every area of
their life.
We're almost done, Dan.
They paid extra.
And then the last one, and this is
what's said.
Remember the fellow I told you that was
hearing all this truth stuff and everything?
It was 1 Thessalonians 5.18. In everything,
give thanks, for this is the will of
God and Christ Jesus concerning you.
And he did that because I told him
to.
Nothing happened.
Then he fell on his knees and cried
out from his heart to God, and he
gave thanks.
Giving thanks to God is an act of
my will, then an obedience to God.
Feeling thankful is an act of my emotions
that comes when I realize God's actions.
When I do this, I'm acknowledging the sovereignty
of God in my life.
And so he fell on his knees and
he cried out to God and he thanked
Him for all this awful stuff that happened.
And you know what happened when he got
through that prayer?
Something dark left him in that room.
And I think we talked the very next
day on the phone and I knew he
was free.
He didn't even have to tell me.
I could tell when he talked to me.
His parents, immediately when they saw him, realized
this thing had gone on for five weeks
or six weeks, was gone.
Whatever it was, they had no clue what
it was.
It was obvious he was free because the
joy of the Lord and the peace of
God began to fill his heart and mind
again.
Father, there's a lot more stuff we could
say and do and I just pray that
some of this stuff may help those that
are working with kids.
The father I know more than my stuff,
kids I know, teenage boys especially, need some
male that would love them just as they
are.
Know everything about them and like them anyway.
And Father, I pray that you would give
us your love for people.
And Lord, I know some of our counselees
and some of these teenagers that walk in,
I don't know where they could put another
body piercing.
And Father, you love them.
Let me look beyond tattoos, body piercing, navels
or whatever, strange hairdos.
Father, help me to see the heart of
the kid and that you love them.
And all this weird stuff they're doing is
just a front of stuff.
Lord, let me look at their heart as
you look at their heart and let me
love them and let them know that I
love them and I care.
And Father, if nothing else, I would never
want someone to leave our offices even if
they're not helped.
But the one thing they know is that
we really care about them.
And the door swings both ways.
And they can come back at any time.
And that we do care.
So Father, thank you that you loved me
when I was yet a sinner.
And you chose me before the foundation of
the world.
And God, I don't understand that at all.
When I get to heaven, I'm going to
sit down with some Presbyterians and Baptists and
you explain it to the both of us.
Because I don't get it.
I wonder sometimes you love me before the
foundation of the world because you never would
have loved me afterwards.
I don't know.
You chose me.
I wouldn't have chose me.
And so Father, I pray that we would
deal with every person that you send to
us as your child.
And we need your anointing.
We need your guidance to do in their
life and to cooperate with you with what
you're doing in their life.
And give us that sensitivity.
We ask this in the name of the
Lord Jesus Christ for His glory, not our
success.
In Jesus' name, Amen.