The basic things that we do in counseling
at the center, what I do, I'd like
to recommend a book.
It's not a warfare book at all.
I was I shared it with the missionaries,
but I'd like to share it with you.
It's called The Hidden Price of Greatness.
It's a unique book and what it does,
it deals with.
The aspect of great Christians that you didn't
realize, like John Wesley and his wife did
not get along and he separated from her.
I mean, John Wesley's father, mother, Susanna Wesley
and her husband, and it goes through the
suffering of these great Christians that, you know,
we read, it looks like everything was wonderful.
And so it's really wonderful.
I mean, it really helps you to identify
with the hidden price of greatness.
When I'd like to share some basic my
concept basically of counseling, my basic philosophy of
the demonic.
First of all, I believe that spirits are
only spirits of influence, they're not spirits of
control.
When I was ministering to the Apaches, I
I asked the Apaches, I said, now I
want you to do is about my second
or third night.
I said, I want you to do what
I'm telling you to do.
I want you to turn around and I
want you to slug the person sitting behind
you.
And the Apaches just look at me.
They're very stoic people, they don't show much,
didn't show anything.
So I thought I'd do it like a
good evangelist.
And I said, I guess you didn't hear
me.
I want you to turn around and slug
the people behind you.
And I hit the pulpit.
That makes a point, you know, you got
to hit it right.
I mean, you want to hit it right
at the right time.
But anyway, nothing happened.
They just looked at me again.
And then I said this, you know, I
wouldn't go to a church like this.
Everybody in this church had violent thoughts and
who'd want to go to a church where
everybody had violent thoughts.
Now, see, what I did is I put
thoughts in their mind to do something, although
they resisted that thought.
Then I accused them of having the thoughts.
Doesn't have a smell around it, a brimstone.
Now, that's what the enemy does, he puts
thoughts in my mind and then he accuses
me for thinking those thoughts.
And then I buy into that and I'm
in trouble.
I really believe it.
So the you know, if if every Apache
were to turn around and slug the people
behind them, they couldn't say Jim Logan made
me do it.
All they could say is Jim Logan influenced
me to do it, because if Satan made
me do it, I am not responsible.
For any of my actions.
I just got a phone call last week
on a counseling situation was this week.
Oh, this has been unbelievable.
Last week I was with the Sioux Indians.
So this week.
No, this week I was with Sioux Indians,
too.
I mean, last week.
No, this week.
I don't know.
Where was I, Mark?
I don't know.
I was somewhere anyway.
Very recently with the Sioux Indians.
I think they did it when they were
going around going.
I think it had some effect on me.
Anyway, what was I telling you?
Too much lunch.
Oh, my.
Yeah, they did.
Neil, I was safe on that reservation.
Well, the Sioux Indians said this when when
when I told I told the Sioux Indians
to turn around and slug the person behind
him, they laugh.
They thought that was so funny.
One guy said I looked around was my
mother in law.
Let's see.
We're a lot different than the Apaches.
Oh, my.
But anyway, we're talking about the devil made
me do it.
Well, the devil doesn't make me do anything.
He just puts influences and speaks to my
mind to do it.
We want to share the process that we
go through with somebody when they're when they
come to our counseling office or the process
I go through.
We we don't have like Dan does.
He can do what you know what his
thing and Mark is his and Glenda's his
and I do mine and we may overlap.
But then you have to do what you're
comfortable with.
You can't use someone's you know, there's no
magic approach.
If it is, it'd be an appendix to
Revelation.
But there isn't a magic approach and you
have to feel comfortable with what you're doing
or won't work and you have to be
committed that it's biblical.
And then you could be very strong in
having someone go through these steps.
But the the I believe spirits, only spirits
of influence.
And basically the enemy attacks me for one
reason.
That's to get my focus off of Christ,
either onto myself or onto my circumstances.
It because Hebrews tells us twelve one and
two to do what?
Looking unto who?
Jesus, the author and the finisher of our
faith.
That is to be my focus.
That's what Mark talked about here today.
Getting back in that relationship.
Well, the enemy doesn't want me to have
that relationship.
And what happens if I look within and
I keep looking within?
I'm going to really get discouraged because in
my flesh dwells what?
No good thing.
And I keep looking for something good.
The other day I threw away a fax
and was in this big garbage dumpster.
You ever gone on a garbage dumpster?
I had to do that yesterday.
And so I was leaning over and climbing
in this garbage dumpster.
And I came back in the office when
the secretary said, well, what I said, well,
it wasn't all bad.
I got a half a good pizza.
But one of the things that we give
our counselees when they leave is how to
worship Jesus Christ by Joe Carroll.
This is a refocus, because what's the problem?
They've come there.
They're all into themselves.
They're all into the situation.
In fact, Ed Soboso's definition of a stronghold
is really good.
He said, you have that in your book.
A stronghold is a mindset impregnated with hopelessness
that causes me to accept as unchangeable something
that's contrary to the will of God.
Yeah, my if my situation is hopeless, then
what's the point, right?
And it's in your it's in your notes
in the book on page three hundred and
twenty seven.
What was it?
No, twenty three hasn't got the definition, but
it's in there.
Just look for it.
That makes you read the whole book.
That's why we don't tell you what page
it's on.
Now, I can't remember.
But anyway, this is an excellent book because
people don't know how to worship.
And Joe Carroll is over 70 years of
age, a very godly man, runs a Bible
school in Greenville, South Carolina, North Carolina or
South Carolina, North Carolina.
There's a couple.
What is it?
OK, Greenville, South Carolina, there's some of his
students in here, but if you ask Joe,
how many students do you have?
He says too many.
And it's interesting, he started the Bible school
because in America he saw two things lacking
in guys overseas that were missionaries from America.
The two things he saw that they didn't
have is they didn't know how to live
by faith and they didn't know how to
trust or how to worship the Lord Jesus
Christ.
And so their Bible school charge, I think,
is two thousand dollars for a whole year
room and board and everything.
And I said, Joe, when I was teaching
a Bible school, you know, 50 years ago,
we were charging more than that.
I said, there's no one there's no way
you can run a Bible school and feed
these kids on two thousand dollars per year's
tuition.
He said, if we're going to teach the
children to live by faith, so does the
faculty.
It's a neat school, unusual school.
They may not take your kid, you know,
he doesn't want a whole lot of kids
because they want to work individually.
You get no grant.
You don't get any diploma.
You went there.
The only thing they want is to change
life.
And if you got if your life has
changed, tell me what the school of your
life didn't change.
You don't even know the school exists.
They don't want you to they want you
to you know, they want that kind of
word of mouth and just serious minded kids
that want to know.
Anyway, he wrote this book.
The other book we give our counselees is
looking under Jesus.
So now let's get you get from Singapore,
but both these books you can get from
Joe Carroll down there at the school.
This is a moody, moody press now, and
this one is from Singapore looking to Jesus.
It's just a refocusing.
So our people get their focus off their
problems, off the deliverance and back onto where
it belongs.
I got a I've had opportunities doing seminars
for medical doctors and we've trained probably I
think it's about 300 or no more than
that.
Six hundred medical doctors in warfare.
And so often these medical doctors will call
our office when they have a case where
they sense a demonic involvement.
And just to ask my my opinion.
Well, I got a telephone call a couple
of months ago from a doctor is going
to be one of my prayer partners is
an ER doctor.
We have a number of ER doctors that
that we've been involved with emergency room.
And this doctor, when they bring an emergency
case, he's a very committed Christian man.
And what he does, he cries out to
God in his heart and he asks God
for wisdom.
He says, Jim, you can have someone in
a car wreck and their arms bleeding.
But what's happened is he got a ruptured
spleen and they're dying.
And, you know, God has got to give
you wisdom.
You go in.
Where do you start?
And so he cries out to God.
Well, they have this lady on the gurney
or whatever they call that thing.
And he walked in.
They were holding her down and he walked
in and he's crying out to God, asking
for wisdom and in his heart.
And she raises up and she looks at
him.
She says, stop praying for me.
Right here in the back of his neck
stood up and he said, this is a
Jim Logan's case.
Smells like a Jim Logan kind.
So.
They she was out of it, they committed
her to a mental hospital.
That was there, the mental part of the
hospital, not sure.
And he called me on the phone and
he said, Jim, what's the problem?
I said, well, it's simple.
This lady's been involved in the occult.
And he said, I just told you it's
all she did is look at me and
said, why are you praying for me?
So I said, just check it out.
She's been involved in the occult.
So what the doctor did is he he
he called the Wednesday he called the head
psychiatrist and the psychiatrist said this.
He said, you know, he said, this is
absolutely the worst case that I've seen in
10 years as a head of the psychiatric
division of a hospital.
And this was his assessment.
He said he said, well, what do you
assess from this lady?
He said she has traveled.
Into another dimension.
And has been trapped there by other beings
that is a non-Christian.
That's pretty good assessment.
Better than some Christian psychiatrist.
And so on Friday, he called again and
he said he wanted to talk about this
lady and said, oh, she's gone.
So she's gone.
You know, she's been out of it all
week.
Oh, she's fine now.
He said, well, what happened?
They said, well, she was a new ager
and she was channeling a spirit and it
got trapped in her.
And all of a sudden it released her
and now she's fine.
And so the very first step.
In dealing with someone.
You know, here you have a person now
that was that was kind of easy because
once she got out of it, not that
she's OK, but at least she's out of
that particular being trapped in this thing.
But how do we help people?
How do we take people through this?
Whenever you have anyone who is violent.
Dr. Chandra is here.
Dr. Chandra is a heart specialist and he
was in Fiji Island and they were at
the Bible school and they were holding a
girl down and she was flipping men off
of her.
And Dr. Chandra said, I think I called
him Logan.
So the Bible school called me and they
were holding this girl to the ground.
And and I said, is she a Christian?
He said it was.
Yeah, she we wouldn't let her in the
school.
She wasn't.
She's a believer.
She claims to be a believer, but she's
flipping these guys off.
I said, this girl's been involved in a
cult.
Do these things and everything will be fine.
Well, Dr. Chandra came back and he never
shared what happened.
I don't know if he knew what happened,
but I put that on.
Some of you saw the video that went
out to pastors, pastor seminars in the major
cities last year at this time.
And that testimony was in there.
Well, a pastor in Oklahoma City saw that
video and said, I just got back from
Fiji.
I just did a spiritual life thing at
that school.
And he said they told me about this
girl.
She's a girl over there.
She's doing super.
She's going to get married.
She's one of our top students.
But, you know, they said a year ago
she was flipping men off and they were
holding to the ground.
She was just out of it.
And we called somebody in America.
We don't know who it was.
And he told us to do this.
And we did it.
And she's fine.
And so this guy said, I just want
to know the girl's doing fine.
So, Dr. Chandra, the girl's doing fine.
You know, he has been concerned all these
years for this girl.
So now he doesn't have to worry about
her.
I want you to turn in your Bible
to something that I that has been very
interesting.
I've been looking and reviewing why people come
to freedom.
And why and maintain their freedom and why
those who seem to come to freedom don't.
And has nothing to do with the severity
of the problem.
Because we've had people, one that came that
Minnifer Meyer, after 30 days and twenty two
thousand dollars, told this person, don't go down
there.
Now, when he left Minnifer Meyer, after he
tried to commit suicide, they said, you can
never be free of your problem.
Christians can't get free of this.
You will have this problem all of your
life.
And then he said, well, I made an
appointment to go down to see Jim Logan.
And they said, yeah.
And they laughed.
They said, I'll cast demons out of you.
And so he came down, we dealt with
this fellow and he was totally set for
his pastor's son.
He's he has at least a master's, if
not a doctorate degree, is a very intelligent
fellow doing a very high level type skillful
job.
And they said, you won't make it a
year.
Oh, pardon me.
They went back up to Minnifer Meyer after
three months and said, look at me.
I'm a different person.
And they said, we don't care.
Now, I'm not saying all of them, but
one of the counselors at Minnifer Meyer said,
we don't care.
You'll be back doing this unless you won't
make it one year.
And when that last week, just before the
year came, he was under so much attack.
His children were struggling.
He was coughing up blood.
His is like, am I going to make
the week?
You know, remember Mark talked about the evil
day in Romans six.
I mean, in Ephesians six, the evil days,
the day of violent temptations, attacks, whenever they
come to you, he was having his evil
day.
Just everything, every demon in America found this
guy's home because they didn't want him free
for a year.
Now he's been free for two years and
he came back as a prayer partner to
sit through for after he was free a
year and six months.
And this fellow now feels he's able to
help others who are crossdressers.
And if you get my prayer letter, you've
gotten his testimony.
It's tremendous.
But you have someone that Minnifer Meyer says
can't be free, who's walked in victory now
for two years.
And we have some guys that have walked
in victory for six, seven, eight, nine years.
They had addictions that they said there's no
hope.
Other fellows had minimal problems in comparison and
are being defeated over and over and over
again.
And I kept thinking, what is the key?
And I think this is the key.
So I look back and that's the first
step to freedom.
The first step to freedom is repentance, genuine
repentance.
Not sorry I made a mess of my
life, not sorry my wife's going to leave
me.
And so what I've done this year, I
try to read the Bible through in a
year, but I try to read it through
in the first two or three months of
a year.
I read real strangely.
I read different parts and I read lots
of chapters and I'm almost reading the Bible
through this year.
And I've been writing down every reference to
repentance in the Old and New Testament, not
where the word is, but where the actions
were, you know, where they Israel turned back.
What did they do to turn back?
See, let me give you my definition of
sin and repentance.
And this is simple.
I try to keep it simple because I
can only remember simple things.
So my counselees can't remember complex things if
they're under tremendous attack.
I see sin as choosing against God.
And repentance is choosing for God so simple.
Just choosing for God.
There is, as I was looking and studying
repentance.
One of the most interesting verses was Psalms
910, and Mark talked about it today.
And they that know thy name will put
their trust in thee.
Now, I want you to keep that verse.
And then in Acts, it says this acts.
I'll give you the reference.
Acts 20, 21.
It says repentance is towards God and faith
towards the Lord Jesus Christ.
Now, why don't we see repentance in America
today?
Not pseudo repentance, but genuine repentance.
Is because in America, basically, we don't know
who God is.
I don't see my if God is just
a cloud out there.
Just some kind of something out there.
So then when I saw this, this Psalms
910, I said, that's it.
They that know thy name will put their
trust in thee.
The reason we're not repenting towards God is
we don't know who he is.
We know who Jesus is.
We know the Holy Spirit is moving on
who God is.
And Mark was crying out on that on
the platform today.
So then I went to the Bible and
I just did recently a study on they
that know thy name.
But God talks about his name and I'll
just give you a few of them.
You can write him down because I boiled
it down in a few.
But the first of Psalms 910, Psalms 20,
verse seven, you know that one.
Some trust in chariots, some in horses.
But we will remember the name of the
Lord, our God.
Psalm 91, 14, because he has said his
love upon me, therefore, I will deliver him
and I will set him on high.
Why?
Because he has known my name.
Second Chronicles 14, 11 in thy name, we
go against this multitude.
You see a lot of that.
Psalms 44, five through thee, we will push
down our enemies through thy name.
We will tread them under that rise up
against us through your name.
And Jeremiah 10, six, oh, Lord, thou art
great and thy name is great in might.
And so we need to understand more and
more of the name of God.
Tomorrow I'll be talking about a book that
will really help you.
A book with the names of God in
warfare.
And there are over 40 pages of material
on the names of God and how to
use them in warfare.
And that book came to me as I
was doing, you know, isn't it neat how
God puts something in your hand when you're
wrestling with issues?
And looking at this now.
So the first thing is repentance.
And to what degree I can't tell you,
but I can tell you this, that if
people do not see their sin, as David
did against thee and the only have I
sinned, you're going to see real disappointment because
steps are not magic.
Versus aren't magic, you know what I'm saying?
There's got to be a heart here.
There has to be a thought of coming
to the end of self.
Now, when someone you see is really come
to the they're not just concept that they're
you know what people think and all of
that, but they really have repentance.
The first thing we want to look at.
Is what is the the first thing we
need to do to help someone to walk
in victory after repentance as step number one.
Number two is in Psalm 16 for when
I share this is a video out there
with the Sioux Indians who I was with
last week.
And there's a video out there with Dan
Rumberger and I on it and some real
interesting things about Indians and testimonies of the
Indians.
In fact, one of the ladies on there,
whose daughter was levitating objects when she was
a toddler, she was married to the medicine
and her two sons walked out of my
meeting last week.
They were angry.
One walked out in the beginning when I
shared this one verse from Psalms, he walked
out.
He was so angry.
The other one walked out at the end
and he was very mad and they wanted
to meet with us.
But when their grandfather died, who was the
medicine man, they carried his body, died two
years and they carried his body one mile
from.
And we drove up to the little shack
where the grandfather lived and where he's buried
and where his sweat lodges.
We drove to the highway and drove off
the dirt road, but they carried his body
one mile in the coffin.
And when they carried it hot summer, South
Dakota, fifty five eagles circled the coffin in
the air as they carried their coffin.
And you try to tell the Indians that
this medicine man didn't have power.
You don't see fifty five eagles circling together
following a coffin ever.
This man was super powerful, his son now
is the medicine man, and we met with
him last year to get my prayer letter,
met with him and spent hours with him.
And then his two sons were in my
meeting.
Well, the one son walked out when we
read this Psalm 16 for you.
I have this down and that's in the
occultic areas.
This is what God says, their sorrows will
be multiplied that hasten after other gods.
If someone goes into the occult, God will
multiply their sorrows.
And they're going to have all kinds of
heartaches and that's God's way, it's like the
recruits that God brings to let you realize
that's the wrong area to go into.
Why do people go into the occult?
They go in for four reasons that we've
seen, and maybe you know more than that,
but these are the four that I've seen
is all the people we've dealt with there.
We can categorize them.
The first reason they go into the occult
is for power, power over you, power for
others.
And I was working with Campus Crusade and
some of the campuses doing teaching spiritual warfare
and the navigators.
And I'd ask these college kids, why did
you get into all this stuff?
You know, why did you leave your body
and float around your room and come back
into your body and all this kind of
stuff?
Kids said power, you know, we're into power,
lunches, power, this power, that's that's the thing
on the university.
And we went into this because there seems
to be legitimate power here.
The second reason people go into the occultic
stuff is for guidance.
Those are the two major to get guidance
for their life.
The third area is for healing.
And we're getting a lot of weird stuff,
this new one out now where this you
hold this rod and the computer will give
you a readout that comes up on the
computer.
What's wrong with you?
A conservative church allowed this lady because she
has a doctor's degree and, you know, all
the right stuff.
And so they started using this and they
they had 90 or 100 families and they
have like 20 families left in a year.
You know, there's something it's the whole thing
is spooky when you hear all this, this
computer does when you hold on to this
rod and it prints out all the stuff
about you, what you need to take and
so on.
So going into any of these things and
people go into this, they're in super trouble.
And the very last one is for protection.
What the Sioux Indians do for protection is
they put tobacco ties, they take flannel and
they put tobacco in it and they make
little bundles and then they put them in
the windows.
Even the Christians do they put them in
the windows and also if they don't put
them in the windows, often they'll string them
around their property, dig a trench and cover
them over and put them in their property.
And if you put the tobacco ties there,
it keeps demons out.
And I told the Sioux Indians last week,
if you put tobacco ties in your window,
you're inviting demons to come in.
They didn't like it and someone didn't like
it, but there are other people who do
the same thing.
They put oil in the windows.
They take olive oil and they olive oil
the windows.
And so you get someone in and they
olive oil the doorpost, they olive oil the
windows and you say, you know, we still
have demonic problems.
They go, we skip the bathroom window.
Now, there's a real problem here because all
of a sudden the symbol has become what?
The object of method.
And let me tell you, when you oil
the windows and if you're just oiling the
windows to keep demons out, they're going to
slip in easier if you're doing it as
representative of the spirit of God, because first
Thessalonians three, three says what he says, the
Lord is faithful, who will strengthen and protect
you from the evil one.
He is our protector, not olive oil.
Now, if you want to use olive oil,
I don't you know, you know what I'm
saying?
But be careful.
We open a Bible by your bed and
you'll have good dreams.
One guy was sleeping and he was telling
about was telling about the guy sleeping with
the Bible in his chest to keep from
having attacks by demons.
How do you sleep with a Bible in
your chest?
You tape it on there.
I mean, you know, there's a slide off.
You get a nightmare and you have to
grab it.
You see, it's amazing.
Christians are doing the same thing.
I mean, we would laugh at a Sioux
Indian.
Right.
And we do the very same thing they're
doing.
We just use a different object.
So we need to take back all ground
that was given through a cultic activity.
If you don't do that, you try to
do with anything else, you're not going to
get anywhere because that is going to constantly
we've had people involved in the cultic activity.
They open their Bibles and it's blank.
I've given a papers to read and the
you have a wonderful definition in your in
your notebook by Clinton Arnold on giving ground.
And see, when I give ground topaz Ephesians
four twenty four twenty seven, it says don't
give Satan topaz in your life.
And that's ground and ground is legal jurisdiction.
And so if I give ground to the
enemy, he is going to use that ground
to bring destructive attacks in my life.
That's what we have in in by a
cultic activities.
When I go into the occultic stuff, then
I'm opening myself up for all kinds of
demonic attacks.
That ground must be taken back and it
must be confessed.
And you must ask the Lord to take
that ground back.
The second area of ground we've got to
run here because we're really running out of
time.
I don't want to spend more time on
the end than we had in the group
before here.
The second major area you want to deal
with after the occult area.
But when you have violence, in fact, if
you know someone who's been in the occult,
when you pray with them, I would watch
and pray.
Because I remember I was praying with the
area director for Campus Crusade and I started
a bunch of guys brought him in and
I started praying, had my eyes shut and
he start crying.
Uncontrollably, I look like.
Why is he crying?
You know, why would he cry?
I didn't do anything.
I was just starting to pray.
And there's a couple of campus leaders there,
and this guy had been the leader for
14 years over a number of states.
And so I said, Joe, are you crying?
So I don't think so.
I think his nose is running, sobbing is
coming out of him, tears are running.
It didn't sound like the right kind of
cry.
And so I thought, oh, brother, I'm not
going to open my eyes.
I'm just going to keep praying no matter
what.
So I shut my eyes and I'm just
praying because I know we're going to have
something's going to happen.
And all of a sudden, thud, I peaked
Joe's on the floor and he's crawling like
a snake.
And here are these campus who say guys,
I mean, Joe's just probably one hundred and
thirty two, one hundred and thirty five soaking
wet, you know, just a short guy.
And here we have these football guys, campus
who say, you know, leaders now play football
and stuff trying to get him off the
floor.
Well, I knew they couldn't get him off
the floor and I just kept praying.
So we got through praying and I said,
you know, in the name of Jesus, leave
him alone.
I said, Joe, get up and sit down.
So Joe got up, he sat down, he
looked at me and he said, do you
think I have spirits?
I did laugh.
I mean, everybody laughed.
These guys, these campus who say guys weren't
even sure spirits were real, but they got
a real course with Joe on the floor.
Now, Joe is doing really well.
Was this in St. Louis with Joe?
I mean, he has shock treatments in the
hospitals, been through Minot, the Meyer and all
this stuff.
And Joe is doing so good today and
he is being used of God to set
people free.
And he said, Jim, it was the most
amazing thing.
It was seven or eight years ago.
He said, I was just being pushed on
the floor.
I couldn't stop it.
I just hit the floor.
So I can't explain it.
I said, like, no control.
I just hit the floor.
So if there is a cultic involvement, you've
got to watch for that.
You know, don't let it get that far.
I mean, now I know, wait a minute,
I'll stand right against it.
Don't let a person hit the floor.
Just stop and say, leave him alone, you
know, and then go on and pray.
But watch.
So deal with that.
The second major area, we've never had anybody
for counseling that was not struggling in this
area.
I don't care how many seminars they've been
through, how many books they've read, but everyone
has had this problem.
And that is in the area of bitterness.
Some to a greater extent, some to a
lesser extent.
But I've never had a Christian with a
demonic problem that was not bitter.
Not one.
Hundreds and hundreds, maybe thousands.
Now, bitterness, you say, why is bitterness such
a vital issue?
I really think it is because I believe
that the theme of the Bible is forgiveness.
That's what the book's about.
And the enemy wants me to have an
unforgiving spirit.
So it's very hard for me to share
forgiveness with others.
Now, there are three steps of getting rid
of bitterness.
And if you skip these steps, you won't
get free.
And I wish I could share the scriptures
with you.
I mean, I wish I could take you
through our sessions and what we do in
the week that we have someone here for
counseling.
But there are three things that got to
be dealt with.
The first is First Peter, chapter two, and
that is I need to identify the offender
and release him to God.
Jesus released the offenders to God in First
Peter, chapter two, the end of that chapter.
He committed them into God's hands who judges
righteously.
Now, when I'm bitter, see, bitterness can be
an affront to the sovereignty of God.
Bitterness can also make God accountable to me.
And God will never be accountable to you.
God, I don't like what you're doing.
And why did you do that and that
kind of thing?
You ever heard any Christians do that?
And we all do it, don't we?
I mean, we fall into that trap.
God, what are you doing?
Where are you?
And I need you and I don't know
where you are.
But so I need to release the offenders
to God.
The hardest people to do this are those
who have been sexually abused and especially by
a relative.
The closer the relative, the more difficult it
is.
To release that person to God, because God
says vengeance is mine, I'll repay, sayeth the
Lord.
And when I am bitter, what I'm doing
is I am taking the matter in my
hands and God says, all right, if you
won't release them to me, you release me
of responsibility of dealing with that person.
You want to deal with that person?
You deal with them.
You want me to deal with that person?
You release them to me.
And I really believe we release God of
any responsibility of dealing with those that have
hurt us.
If we are not willing to release those
people to God, because that's double, that's double
what?
Double vengeance.
My vengeance and God's.
So can you trust God to do what's
right?
Is your God worthy of your trust?
Can you really entrust these people to God?
And say, God will do what's right.
That's what Jesus said, he judges what righteously
he'll do what's right, does what's required.
That's the first step.
The second step is in Matthew 18 and
also 2 Corinthians chapter two.
Matthew 18, Peter says, how often do you
have to forgive?
Remember that Jesus gives them the story of
the man that loaned out ten million dollars
and that whole thing.
Well, at the end of that chapter, it
says this.
If you refuse to forgive from your heart,
you'll be turned over to the tormentors.
Who torments believers, what did Paul say in
2 Corinthians chapter two, if you refuse to
forgive, you give Satan an advantage.
Do you want to go to war and
give the opponent the advantage?
Does that make sense?
Does it say no?
Are you with anybody here?
Wake up.
No, it doesn't make sense, does it?
And so what I need to do and
how you deal with this one, and this
is a hard one, but how you deal
with the forgiveness from your heart is this.
Do you know anybody that's bitter for no
reasons?
No, we're bitter for reasons.
So I had a lot of bitterness towards
my father.
So the first thing I had to do
is release my father to God, but that
didn't deal with my list.
I had to give my list to God.
So I had to give the reasons to
God, why am I bitter?
I had to give that to God.
Very, very important.
And when people do this and how, you
know, they do it, it happens almost every
time in my office they break down and
cry because they're getting in touch with what
the pain of the hurt, what they did.
You know, not only I forgive him, I
forgive him for what he did.
And I've had men that businessmen, pastors, you
know, very dignified, just all of a sudden
they lost it because it was so painful
what their father and mother or whatever did
to them.
The third one is found in Ephesians, chapter
four, if you and I want to be
successful in spiritual warfare, we cannot grieve the
Holy Spirit, can we?
No.
And what brings the Holy Spirit?
Let all what?
That all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, evil speaking
put away from you and be, you know,
forgive, be tenderhearted, so on.
And so if I hold bitterness in my
heart, I'm grieving the spirit of God and
I'm lacking the very power to deal with
it.
The third step, and this is the hardest
one, and I have the stories, if I
could tell you, we don't have time, but
they would grieve your heart.
And this is the hardest of all, a
willingness to live with the ongoing consequences of
the offender's actions.
Just I won't give you a real story,
but let's say that Doug Shady here in
the front row is a friend of mine
and Doug's drunk and he and he says,
I'm going to drive you home.
And I go, I better get in the
car and make a big ruckus here and
everything.
So I get in the car with Doug
and we're driving home and he gets in
a wreck and my arm gets amputated.
So I forgive Doug for being drunk, I
forgive him for having the car wrecked, you
know, all that stuff.
Then I go to reach for a pen
and all of a sudden I have to
deal with what?
I still don't have an arm and I
can get resentful of why did I get
in the car with that guy?
You know what I'm saying?
And so it can be an ongoing battle
for a while because there's ongoing consequences.
Because forgiveness doesn't bring back an aborted baby.
Does it?
No.
And sometimes you see a baby that's that
age and you have to go through this.
Why did I let my folks talk me
into this?
You know, we've got to prepare people that
there may be an ongoing struggle here that
they've got to deal with.
Okay, the next area that we deal with
is rebellion.
When I was with the Sioux Indians, I
asked them, I said, you know, I used
to love to watch these Westerns on TV
and these wagon trains are under attack and
the Indians are shooting arrows.
You've seen them, you know, the arrows are
flying like crazy.
And I asked these Sioux Braves, I said,
is that the way it was?
You know what they said?
Have you ever made an arrow by hand?
He said, when a Sioux Indian let go
of an arrow, he expected to hear an
ouch.
So is Satan.
He doesn't shoot arrows just anywhere.
When he shoots an arrow, he's got a
target.
So I asked the Sioux Indians, I said,
if a fort was under attack, what side
of the walls would you want to be
on?
If the Sioux Indians were attacking the fort,
they said inside.
Rebellion puts you outside.
That's why rebellion is like witchcraft.
You voluntarily open yourself up to demonic forces.
You're on the wrong side of protection.
When Satan wanted to attack Job, he had
to get Job's.
He had to get God's permission.
When Satan wanted to attack Luke, he had
to get permission from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Because where were these guys living?
Were they perfect?
No.
Where were they living?
Inside God's heads of protection.
And Warren Risby said that when Satan's destructive
missiles are allowed to penetrate God's heads of
protection, they're no longer the destructive missiles in
the hands of the enemy.
They become the refining fire of God.
Isn't that beautiful?
And is my God sovereign?
Then we say my God reigns.
Everywhere but in Iowa or wherever you live,
right?
When we sing songs, but do we really
believe it?
Read the scriptures, but do we really believe
it?
So rebellion is another area we have to
deal with.
Rebellion is saying you have no right to
be an authority who's an authority.
Now, we can't get into this, maybe with
children, but we have people that will bring
their teenagers to my office and say, Logan,
you've got to deal with my son.
He's rebellious.
The kid's not rebellious.
He's disobedient.
There's a difference.
Foolishness, disobedience, rebellion.
We better be able to tell the difference
between them.
There's a lot of difference.
Rebellion is saying the authority has no right
to be an authority.
The next major area that we deal with
and we spend a lot of time on
this one and a lot of Bible study
is pride because it's the worst sin a
Christian can commit.
Anybody that moves into a pride realm will
have demonic struggles because pride, I take my
stand with Satan.
That's what threw him out of heaven.
He said, I will be like the most
high, Isaiah 14.
And the most high is Elion, the God
who reigns sovereignly in the heavens and on
the earth.
Satan wanted to be like God in control,
but not in character.
And so when I let pride and pride
is building my life around me, I don't
see anything wrong with that.
You know, someone said opinions are like noses.
Everybody has at least one.
I, I, I, I, I.
And it's I was discipling a Royals baseball
player and his wife would say, oh, Jim.
I'm just trying to find myself.
And I know you don't like that, but
I'm trying to find myself.
So one day she said, oh, Jim, I'm
just trying to find myself.
And I said, well, you do crucify it.
Is that what God said?
I'm trying to I'm trying to get us
rid of self.
Mine doesn't stay dead very long.
Pride is a is a major one.
The next major issue that we deal with
is the area of of of giving ground
morally.
And we use Roman six and I haven't
read Roman six, starting with if you let
lust sit on the throne of your life
and you begin to yield the members of
your body to carry out that lust, you
will begin to have iniquity in your life.
And then he says that iniquity will get
stronger and stronger.
You have to have more and more iniquity.
See, when when do you know that there's
demonic stuff involved in a guy's sexual stuff
when there's eroticism?
That is a clear cut demonic aspect of
this whole thing.
Ninety percent of my counselees are men and
90 percent of them are in sexual addictions.
And probably 70 percent of them are in
some type of full time ministry.
But I said one guy sat on the
couch and said, if you can't help me
this week, I will commit suicide.
I'm not trying to threaten you.
I just can't live like this.
One guy said, you know, my perversion is
perverted.
We draw lines and Satan takes you to
your line and you draw another line and
pretty soon you can't draw any more lines
and Satan wants to push you over.
And you say, I'd rather be dead and
live like this.
I mean, I can't live like this anymore.
So it's been so neat.
I never wanted to have a real focus
on sexual addiction.
If you get my prayer letters, you realize
almost every time there's some testimony and there's
somebody who's been free of some sexual addiction.
And they share with other guys, man, this
whole, you know, this hope I'm going to
come.
So we do a lot of that.
So we go through Romans six, go through
negatively.
And then what the guys do, we have
them pray.
And remember, where's the first time I've never
had a sexual addict?
Never.
That was not struggling with tremendous demonic struggles
sexually.
At five, four years old, we get people
calling our daughter's three.
She's masturbating continually.
Help me.
Our son is three or two and a
half and he's masturbating continually.
What do we do?
They have weird sexual stuff, little teeny children.
And these guys will sit there and they
go back and then go back to four
and five years of age.
And they realize there was something twisted sexually
at that age.
We have so many young boys that are
brought to me, preteen boys with terrible sexual
struggles.
I mean, not that they not things have
been done to them, but the things that
they are struggling with is unbelievable.
Just unbelievable stuff that we deal with.
And so we we have them go back
and walk through their life as God reveals
where they gave ground sexually.
And when nothing more comes, absolutely nothing more.
When nothing more comes to this person, we
do this.
We say, all right, now I want you
to go back and read Romans six positively
as you yield your body as an instrument
of righteousness.
You know, it says the other you'll have
fruit.
You're ashamed of this as you have eternal
fruit and so on.
So we do the positive aspect of Romans
six.
Then I have them start with their mind
and visualize an altar and they put their
mind because they were used their mind in
a wrong way.
Yes, they put it on the altar, use
their eyes in a wrong way.
Yes, their mouth, their ears.
And they go through their whole body, their
sexual parts and also their sex drives.
And they put them on the altar to
God and ask God to take control of
them.
That which we commit to him, he's able
to keep right.
And they commit that to God.
We had a medical doctor.
I told you I did medical seminars and
we had one seminar I did.
We had five doctors who had sexual addictions
that had come to freedom.
They're going to be at that seminar.
And so I asked Bill Godfrey, I said,
why don't we have a couple of these
doctors give their testimony how they used to
be in sexual bondage?
Now they're free.
That'll give me a good hearing for the
rest of the 200 doctors that are here
at this conference with their wives.
That'd be a good idea.
So these doctors got up and gave their
testimony.
One doctor sitting there said, I don't need
that.
And he said, I, you know, I don't
have any problems this way.
A year ago, last November, I got a
call from this medical doctor.
He's crying.
He said, Jim, do you remember me?
I said, yes.
I said, I have a major moral failure.
Can you help me?
Well, he came last year.
And he came to freedom and we came
to this praying through.
He yielded his synaptic connections.
He yielded his his all of the sinews.
I mean, I was sitting there, I'm smiling.
God got out of the anatomy course from,
you know, the college.
He didn't leave out a vessel.
I don't think he just gave every it
was so funny.
I didn't laugh.
I mean, for God's sake, I know you
like this.
This is so cute.
I mean, he's not going to miss anything.
And he put it all on the altar.
And this guy has been free now, went
home and let his wife to freedom.
He's been free for a year.
I've been in two in the different states.
And he's been close and he's come over
to see me doing real, real well.
Then the last thing we deal with after
that is the catch all.
And my time's up, but let me just
show this out to you.
After this, you have to tear down strongholds.
The difference between a stronghold and ground, and
that's on your notes, is a stronghold is
a mindset.
A stronghold is is is a mental thing
where ground is given by actions.
And the very best book out for tearing
down strongholds is Neil's book, Living Free in
Christ.
I usually hold it up and I left
it down there.
But living free in Christ, I don't think
Neil realized he wrote such a good book
on tearing down strongholds.
Because if you can get someone to take
those.
Thirty six principles and get them in their
life, Satan's going to have very little areas
to attack them.
See, one of the words for repentance is
repent from dead works.
What's dead works is when I try to
accomplish something God has already done for me.
And I never enter into rest.
I'm always in a state of unrest.
And it does remain a rest for God's
people.
And God wants us to enter into that
rest that's so tremendous.
And then the very last step.
Well, then we talk about building towers of
truth.
Well, towers of truth automatically come up when
the when the strongholds that have a lie
in their foundation are torn down.
You know, if I know I'm accepted in
Christ and the enemy says that God doesn't
accept me, it doesn't have any effect on
me anymore because I know I am.
I've been accepted in the beloved.
I am accepted.
It's just the way it is.
And the enemy can't get me there anymore
because I run into this truth.
And the last thing is taking thoughts captive.
And how do we take thoughts captive?
The word captive is spear point in the
Greek.
And how many prisoners do you want to
keep with one spear?
Just one one on one.
And does God give me any kind of
of a criteria to recognize a wrong thought?
What do they look like?
So in California, they're very liberal out there.
So you can think weird stuff and live
in California.
But if you live down in Louisiana, you
can't think weird stuff because it's different there.
Now, there's got to be something more than
culture, right?
There's got to be a standard.
I believe God has given us a standard.
And in Philippians for a think on these
things, what sort of things are what?
True.
That's an interesting one.
Let me give you my definition of true.
One of my students wrote up her master's
thesis just on those words.
Tremendous thing.
Job.
She did the word true.
One of the best definitions is conforming to
reality.
We're accurate.
My thoughts conforming to reality.
If it isn't, I need to take it
to spear point and say, God, we know
I do that.
He says, what?
Kill it.
Just don't receive that thought.
Reject that thought.
Let me just give one illustration.
Mark, come up while I'm giving this.
The.
I share this and this will help you.
It's a basic thing with my counselees.
I said, let's say your car broke down
and we go to Sears and I get
out of the car on the driver's side
on the passenger side and you're in the
driver's side.
And as I get out, the mechanic swears
and you walk around the car and I'm
gone.
You said, what happened to Logan?
I'm down on my knees and I'm praying.
I said, what are you doing?
I said, I'm praying.
So what are you praying about?
Well, I said, I heard him swear and
I'm asking God to forgive me.
That's what a lot of counselees are doing.
They're asking God to forgive what Satan put
in their mind.
And I say, you don't need to do
that in the spirit of battle.
All you need to say is I give
no consent to that and go on.
If I don't receive the thought, I don't
make it my thought.
I don't need to confess it because it's
not mine.
It came from the enemy.