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Welcome to from the pulpit and classic sermons.

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Each week we bring you a different message

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from some of history's greatest speakers in the

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Christian faith and powerful sermons from modern preachers

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This week we have Leonard Ravenhill with his

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message, A man of God, part one.

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I've often said that I didn't come to

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Jesus as an old English hymn like we

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used to sing so often.

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I came to Jesus as I was weary

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and worn and sad.

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I didn't because I was fourteen and I

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didn't understand my father's zeal for God.

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I didn't come because I was convicted of

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sin.

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I came because of the blanks in my

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life, like he relished reading the word of

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God and he relished going to prayer meetings,

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even half nights of prayer.

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And also, more than ever, he relished being

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a street corner preacher.

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And that, do you remember the hymn My

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Faith Looks Up to Thee, Thou Lamb of

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Calvary?

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Well, the last stanza says, May thy rich

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grace impart strength to my fainting heart, my

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zeal inspire.

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And my daddy had inspired zeal.

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God lifted the beggar from the dunghill.

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He completely changed my daddy.

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He'd been to a certain system of religion

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which made him fearful and terrified of priestcraft

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and all that.

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And he got marvelously born again as a

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result of hearing David Matthews, who went through

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the Welsh Revival.

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Then he wrote the classic, it's still a

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classic, on I Saw the Welsh Revival.

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And my daddy had never been in meetings

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like that.

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And the fervor and the joy, particularly I

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remember seeing David Matthews when I was five

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years of age.

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I'd never seen anybody preach like, he sang

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like, his mouth like an oval.

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And he had a shock of black wavy

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And he had a zeal and he had

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a joy in the Lord that stirred and

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my daddy got saved.

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Well, as a result of that, as I

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say, he became fervent in spirit, serving the

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I never saw him downcast.

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I never saw him suggesting about giving up.

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But I mean, when he got saved, he

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tossed away his interest in professional football and

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everything else, which of course became a style

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After you're saved, you never go to a

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movie, you never go to a professional match.

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There's so much profanity and so forth.

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And when I saw that, and I saw

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the joy and we lived in comparative poverty,

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we had much money, my daddy was a

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laborer.

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And as a result of that, as I

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say, at 14 he took me to a

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half night of prayer.

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There were three other men there and they

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And my daddy's a big husky man, taking

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his coat off at one o'clock in

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the morning in a room that had no

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heat and praying with tears and further.

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From that very day, I recognized there's something

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far beyond what the average Christian had.

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And then after that, of course, I went

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to the Methodist class meeting till I was

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14 and that was full of the joy

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I mean, people spoke as though God lived

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with them all the time and he did.

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the 19-odd, well, that'd be around 1912,

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just before World War I even, there was

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a half hour song singing before the Sunday

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night service, but they didn't sing choruses except

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choruses from hymns.

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Or they sang great hymns like, And Can

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It Be and so forth.

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And you had men who would explode in

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a meeting when he was singing, And Can

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My chains fell off.

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One old boy would jump at the tears

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all down his face.

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He'd strike it up at the end.

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There's a woman to the left of us.

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I used to watch her because her neck

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would go red and then she'd suddenly burst

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with a hallelujah, you know.

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We talk about the joy of the Lord.

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I'd never seen anything like it.

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Well, at that time, Samuel Chadwick was preaching

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in the, he had revival on the local

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level in Leeds.

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And of course, the conversation in our house,

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we hardly ever had a newspaper.

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so forth.

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Daddy took me to see Padgig Wilkes, who

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founded the Japan Rescue Mission.

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I was about 12, I think.

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I heard C.T. stood to give a

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lecture one morning and later saw Miss Cable

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and Miss Francesca, friends that walked through China

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and the Gobi Desert and all that kind

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of, my daddy, wherever there was anything foreign.

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I'll tell you, at that time, Doncaster was

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25 miles away from us.

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Well, there was a Pentecostal fellowship there.

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teacher, but my daddy might get on a

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bus to town, another bus from town to

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Doncaster, and then walk the rest of the

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way to the fellowship and stay there a

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weekend and come back radiant as though he'd

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been in the upper room, which he just

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about had, because Smith Wigglesworth was one of

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the teachers there and all those guys.

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faith healing is fake healing.

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I mean, there were living evidences of people

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spontaneously getting out of wheelchairs and so forth,

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but it wasn't that.

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Really, it was a transformation in personality.

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I mean, they went back to the churches

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and had prayer meetings.

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man, he's only, I don't think he weighed

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about 110 pounds.

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And for years, he fasted and prayed.

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He was a Pentecostal, which was despised.

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pray, he'd be praying in another room.

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It was like, you know, a man having

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a personal encounter with God, he'd wrestle with

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God.

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Well, then George Jeffress came along in 1927.

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The whole city was swept in three weeks

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with the Holy Ghost.

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And the church is there today.

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It's called Bridge Street in Leeds, England.

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That church is still, it's in its third

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enlargement.

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When other churches are going down, they still

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have that same.

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They were born in the fire, they maintain

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the fire, but they maintain prayer all the

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time.

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Well, then from there, I was in a

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factory, working in a factory one day, and

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And I turned, it was so real, I

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took my tape off my neck, I was

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a tailor's cutter, put my shoes down and

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I remember saying clearly to the Lord, Lord,

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not only will I not go back, I

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won't even look back.

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And that day I applied to go to

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Cliff College.

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well, Chadwick, the birds both had a flock

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So the great character in America at that

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time was A.

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Simpson, founder of Christian Mission Alliance.

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And also in Scotland, there was a man

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by the name of MacIntyre, I don't know,

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have you read his little book, Hidden Life

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of Prayer?

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It's one of the classics.

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It's still published, better than it just re

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Well, those three men, of course, across the

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Atlantic there was no telephone in those days,

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and mail was slow, but they corresponded all

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the time because they were all on one

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level.

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Well, Chadwick went out, and right opposite his

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church in the middle of Leeds, there's an

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obituary statue of Queen Victoria with a big

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spread in front of it, and men used

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to stand there and preach.

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Well, an atheist stood there, and he laughed

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at people coming after church and scorned them,

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and told you, a man standing in a

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coward's castle, a pulpit, he talks one way,

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you can't answer, listen to me, and they

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listened.

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Well, Chadwick went out and listened to this

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man scorning the Bible and everything, and one

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day he said, listen, I've listened to you

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three weeks, you didn't come and listen to

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You come and listen to me, he said,

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I'll come next.

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So he came, and there's a big horseshoe

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gallery, and right opposite the preacher was a

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clock, and this man, the leader, sat behind

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the clock, and the other ten men sat

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with him, and they came to the altar

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the first night they were there, and it

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wiped out the whole testimony of the atheists.

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Then it wiped out all the devilry in

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the community on a local level, and it

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was all prayer.

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I mean, he wrote the book The Way

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to Pentecost, and after that he wrote the

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book The Path of Prayer, and that's where

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he lived, and that's where it rubbed off

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on so many of us, that we saw

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a living example of a man who walked

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in the power of the Spirit.

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Well, then I could go on for long

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enough, but I won't.

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All the time I've tried to feed myself,

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and I've gathered books out of a rack

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of books on prayer, and a whole stack

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of books on historic revival, which we don't

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have anymore.

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America hasn't had a revival in the last

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70 years that I know of.

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I mean, revival that closes their shops, and

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as soon as people get home, they want

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to get to the sanctuary, and they don't

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stay till seven o'clock till eight.

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They stay till eight till midnight and after,

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when the Holy Ghost really comes.

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I think very often we're praying in ignorance.

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We want the Holy Spirit to come, but

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what do we want him to come for?

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Just to increase our numbers?

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Just so our kids won't go to the

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devil?

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I mean, are we jealous for God's glory?

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And to me, that's what revival is all

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about.

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Revival is an invasion of God by the

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Spirit, and if America doesn't have one within

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the next 10 years, it's going to be

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horrible living in this country.

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Crime is out of hand now.

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Immorality abounds.

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Herpes, AIDS, every devilish thing is prospering.

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Plus all the power of the cults save

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multi-million dollars.

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So it's inevitable that we have revival.

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Paul said, would the God you could bear

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with me in my following.

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Indeed bear with me, for I'm jealous over

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you with godly jealousy.

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For I have espoused you to one husband,

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that I may present you as a chaste

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virgin to Christ, but I fear less by

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any means as the serpent beguiled thee through

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his subtlety.

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So your mind should be corrupted from the

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simplicity that is in Christ.

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For he that cometh preaches another Jesus, whom

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we have not preached.

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Or if he receive another spirit, which he

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have not received, or another gospel, which he

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have not accepted, you might well bear with

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him.

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Is there another gospel that we're listening to?

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It's not the gospel.

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What is that gospel?

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Well, in England we used to call it

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modernism, or you call it liberalism here.

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That, I mean, the Baptists now, for a

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long time they've had contention about the Bible

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is the very word of God.

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I mean, can't we alter it?

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And as I say very often, we've revised

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it, but God never has.

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And I still think the King James Version

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is nearest to the best.

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And those old-fashioned guys preached it.

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I think, brother, there's, we've almost no preachers

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in America.

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Everybody's teaching, teaching, teaching.

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I think I have 500 tapes in there

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that people, I think I got 40 tapes

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in the first month of this year.

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You must read my interpretation of Revelation.

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You must read my story.

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There is, there's at least 50 John the

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Baptists in the country.

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So they think they are.

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If a guy tells me I'm a John

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the Baptist, I say, have you increased your

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insurance?

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They say, why?

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I say, you've only got to live six

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months.

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He goes, oh no, no, no.

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But we're not preaching the gospel.

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What are we preaching?

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Well, there's one, there was two groups.

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There's one group now that's preaching signs and

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wonders all the time.

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There's another one that says it's love and

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signs.

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If it's signs and wonders in God's name,

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what did he do for Judas?

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He saw everything Jesus did, then look what

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he did.

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And what if some of the guys have

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been preaching about the Holy Ghost and miracles?

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Where are they now?

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One's in jail, the other's in the gutter

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comparatively.

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We've got to get back to the cross.

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If I've been lifted up, I will draw

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all men.

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You get the Emmaus road, going down the

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Emmaus road, it says that Jesus opened unto

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them the scriptures, then he opened their eyes,

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then he opened their understanding.

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But then you think after they, and read

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the last chapter in Luke, and it says

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the most awesome thing there that they sat

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and talked with Jesus and had breakfast with

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him.

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One of them broke bread and he gave

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him bread.

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The other one broke a honeycomb.

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Well, can you imagine you giving Jesus personally

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honeycomb, and he puts his hand out, there's

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a nail hole through it.

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And they saw the most astounding miracle in

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history, the resurrection of Jesus from the dead.

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And wait a minute, he says, come with

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me.

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And they went to order for the next

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most astounding miracle, the ascension of Jesus into

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heaven.

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Couldn't they live on that?

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Couldn't they live?

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There isn't a devil in hell who will

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ever move us.

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We had breakfast with Jesus, we talked with

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Jesus, we shared a meal with Jesus.

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Couldn't you live on that forever?

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Jesus says, no, you can't.

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Well, we saw him ascended into heaven, not

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many of us, but we saw him.

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The two most outstanding things, and yet Jesus

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says, tarry till you be endued.

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You can't live on the emotion of it.

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That's the trouble with the most horrible thing

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I know that happens in evangelism today.

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We don't value the human soul.

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When are we going to get serious about

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being serious about the most serious thing in

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the world, the birth of people at the

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altar.

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I watched the close of a service in

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Dallas a few weeks ago.

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At the end, about 15 people came in

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four minutes.

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They said a prayer and gone away.

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Well, my reaction to that brother was this,

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I can't get my car through a car

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wash in four minutes.

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Can they pass from death unto life?

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Can they put off the old man and

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put on the new man, as you Jews

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have figured?

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Can they get married to Christ in four

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minutes?

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Of course not.

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In fact, when you read Seven Pentecostal Pioneers,

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which everybody should read because it's still printed,

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it tells you there that they had one

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place where they had meetings for three weeks,

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and I forget the number, something like 964

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people came and everyone was dealt with personally.

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We used to go to a city without

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money and pitch a tent and stay there

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12 weeks.

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The churches are still there 60 years after.

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But everybody came to the altar.

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If you came, I'd come with a bible

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at the side of you and ask you

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what your problem was.

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You wanted to be saved, we took you

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through the scriptures.

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If we spend an hour, so what?

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I don't often watch TV.

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I watched a special, there was a special

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about three years ago, of all the things

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they were going to show on one of

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the, what is it called now?

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Well, it was a special on animals, the

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birth of a giraffe.

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Now I said to Martha, well darling, I

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want to see this.

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So anyhow, the guy said, now listen, I've

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already gone through this once, but let me

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show you.

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And he brought in this female, he said,

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look her head is 14 feet from the

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ground, which I thought was a long way.

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Now here's the male, his head is 19

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feet from the ground, now watch.

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And he said, I've been through this, so

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watch.

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And he said, well bring the camera right

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in front of the giraffe.

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He said, now look, she's spreading her legs

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at the back.

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You see that black thing hanging?

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That's a little baby and it's going to

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fall five to six feet, according to the

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height of the animal, onto a bed of

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straw.

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So what's that got to do with the

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gospel?

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It broke my heart.

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Why?

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Because I watched that thing.

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And he said, now watch the next, now

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you see the thing's coming now.

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Now watch, watch, he said.

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There.

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And the thing dropped onto the big bed

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of straw.

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And he said, now this takes between three

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and four hours.

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And he said, now watch.

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And the little thing tried to get up

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and it rolled over.

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It tried again, it rolled over.

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It tried up again, it rolled the other

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way.

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Now watch carefully, he said.

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And the next time it tried, the mother

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put a hoof behind its backside and lifted

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it up and it stood up.

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And she turned around and nodded.

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And the little thing nodded.

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And he said, that's almost four hours.

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So I went to the room to pray

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and mother said, what's wrong?

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I said, darling, I said, it takes four

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hours to get a baby giraffe born.

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It doesn't take four minutes for somebody to

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get born at our altars today.

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Oh, well, Graham said it more than once,

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just stay a few minutes, stay a few

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minutes in God's name.

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What do you mean stay a few minutes?

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Was Gethsemane a few minutes?

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Was a temptation in the wilderness a few

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minutes?

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We're trying to get people in.

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I guarantee that not five percent of people

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in America or England are genuinely born again

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of the Spirit.

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They're born again of a decision.

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They give up a few lousy habits, some

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of them.

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And some of them don't.

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They go right back.

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And then you tell you there's nothing in

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it.

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Dear brother, I was at a certain place.

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I preached on the new birth.

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I thought there was pretty much liberty.

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And I said, if any of you want

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this experience of birth in Christ, come forward.

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The men come down the aisle and go

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to the room on the right.

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Women go down on the left.

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So there were half a dozen in each

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group.

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Well, that was that was nine o'clock.

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And we stayed in that room till ten,

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helping men.

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And they were really broken before God.

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Then at ten o'clock, there's a knock

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on the door.

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And I said, come in.

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And it was the pastor.

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He said, can I bring this lady in?

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Will you pray with her?

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I said, well, if you stay, she's a

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big, gorgeous looking blonde.

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She knows when I hit the ground and

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she bursted.

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And she said, I want to tell you

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something, Mr. Ramey.

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I said, well, tell me, I'll listen.

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She said, this is the 14th time I've

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come out for this.

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I went to a certain Bible school for

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three years.

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We had three revivals a year.

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And each time I went, that was nine

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times.

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And he said, since then, I've been to

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other meetings.

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Somebody slips their arm around me and says,

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don't worry, dear.

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Jesus paid it all.

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He knows when you said you're sorry that

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that's all that matters.

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And I said, that's not true.

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And I said that we'll stay with you

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while you really get a real relationship with

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God.

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So we stayed.

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And she passed from death to life.

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How do I know?

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Because two years after I was passing the

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church, she was coming out with the Bible.

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And I said to her, he said, that's

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a good woman you prayed for the last

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time you were here.

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She's the best Bible teacher we have.

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But the thing was, before she got saved

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and back to Bible school day, she got

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married.

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She got divorced.

546
00:18:18,050 --> 00:18:18,750
She had a child.

547
00:18:18,830 --> 00:18:20,450
She had a broken heart, a broken life.

548
00:18:20,490 --> 00:18:21,930
It would have been avoided if she got

549
00:18:21,930 --> 00:18:23,090
saved the first time.

550
00:18:23,490 --> 00:18:24,610
But she didn't get saved.

551
00:18:25,070 --> 00:18:26,490
She made a mental decision.

552
00:18:26,970 --> 00:18:28,030
She wanted to be better.

553
00:18:28,310 --> 00:18:29,430
She wanted to go to heaven.

554
00:18:30,450 --> 00:18:32,230
But how many people really want to know?

555
00:18:32,370 --> 00:18:36,570
I mean, isn't the essence of Christianity Christ

556
00:18:36,570 --> 00:18:38,150
in you, the hope of glory?

557
00:18:38,410 --> 00:18:39,950
There's no other religion in the world where

558
00:18:39,950 --> 00:18:41,870
a man's God comes and lives inside of

559
00:18:41,870 --> 00:18:42,210
him.

560
00:18:42,770 --> 00:18:45,050
And we've made it appear as though if

561
00:18:45,050 --> 00:18:46,670
you get saved, of course, you're going to

562
00:18:46,670 --> 00:18:47,650
give up all your joys.

563
00:18:47,730 --> 00:18:49,890
You give up these crazy habits.

564
00:18:50,050 --> 00:18:51,030
You don't go to movies.

565
00:18:51,070 --> 00:18:52,490
You don't go to ball games.

566
00:18:52,670 --> 00:18:53,850
You're Christ is all you want.

567
00:18:54,610 --> 00:18:56,690
But what on the other hand, what about

568
00:18:56,690 --> 00:18:58,530
peace that passes all understanding?

569
00:18:58,530 --> 00:19:01,010
What about a home eternal in the heavens?

570
00:19:01,290 --> 00:19:02,790
What about the eternal aspect?

571
00:19:03,330 --> 00:19:04,590
We don't present that.

572
00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:08,580
I got two fellows in here the other

573
00:19:08,580 --> 00:19:11,740
week, and they came from a certain, I'd

574
00:19:11,740 --> 00:19:13,300
like to say, came from Criswell Seminary.

575
00:19:14,260 --> 00:19:16,420
And one of them said immediately, I know

576
00:19:16,420 --> 00:19:17,620
how to put a sermon together.

577
00:19:17,700 --> 00:19:19,200
I know how to get words together, but

578
00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:19,880
I have no power.

579
00:19:20,260 --> 00:19:21,380
The other man burst into it.

580
00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,460
I said, I just opened a paper and

581
00:19:23,460 --> 00:19:24,740
your picture's in there.

582
00:19:24,820 --> 00:19:26,180
He said, well, I didn't put it somewhere.

583
00:19:26,580 --> 00:19:27,960
I said, but you're a preacher.

584
00:19:28,180 --> 00:19:31,600
He said, I've had 300 people saved in

585
00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:32,500
the last three months.

586
00:19:32,580 --> 00:19:33,460
How do you know?

587
00:19:34,020 --> 00:19:34,980
And he hadn't an answer.

588
00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:37,060
Well, he said, I don't know.

589
00:19:37,100 --> 00:19:37,780
I've often wondered.

590
00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:39,400
They'll come out and say a prayer and

591
00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:40,560
go out and live the same.

592
00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:41,160
I said, they don't.

593
00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:43,220
If they're born again, you become a new

594
00:19:43,220 --> 00:19:43,720
creature.

595
00:19:44,740 --> 00:19:47,120
If any man anywhere at any time being

596
00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:49,320
Christ, and there's no better example of that

597
00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:52,520
than Dave Wilkerson with all the people he

598
00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,000
covers, unless I don't know if you know

599
00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:54,820
Jackie Pullinger.

600
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:55,420
You know Jackie?

601
00:19:56,700 --> 00:19:58,160
Well, she was here to see me.

602
00:19:58,700 --> 00:20:00,120
And I mean, she goes, she doesn't go

603
00:20:00,120 --> 00:20:01,300
out till 10 o'clock at night.

604
00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:02,380
She goes to the gutters.

605
00:20:02,460 --> 00:20:03,960
She goes to the outcasts.

606
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:05,260
She goes to the prostitutes.

607
00:20:05,340 --> 00:20:07,280
She goes to men that have smoked opium

608
00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:08,240
for 50 years.

609
00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,560
She goes to women that have prostituted for

610
00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:11,360
40 years.

611
00:20:12,120 --> 00:20:13,120
You've got to have a gospel.

612
00:20:13,780 --> 00:20:15,520
You can't give a mental flip to those

613
00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:15,900
people.

614
00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,220
And she stays with them until they're born

615
00:20:18,220 --> 00:20:20,920
again in the Spirit of God, as one

616
00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:22,820
of the most amazing works in the world,

617
00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:23,980
as far as I'm concerned.

618
00:20:25,060 --> 00:20:26,060
But where are the people?

619
00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:27,680
I mean, you add up all the people

620
00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,000
who made a profession of Christ in the

621
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,900
last few years of our crusades, or let

622
00:20:31,900 --> 00:20:32,940
me put it here and then quit.

623
00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,620
I had a veteran missionary from South America,

624
00:20:35,740 --> 00:20:36,980
and he said, before I came up with

625
00:20:36,980 --> 00:20:39,020
the Raymond, I was talking to a veteran

626
00:20:39,020 --> 00:20:41,600
missionary, and he said, brother, if you add

627
00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,080
up all the crusades in South America, and

628
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,260
all the people, everybody in South America has

629
00:20:46,260 --> 00:20:48,660
been saved five times in the last 15

630
00:20:48,660 --> 00:20:49,080
years.

631
00:20:50,860 --> 00:20:52,360
Well, is it the same in this country?

632
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,480
Are we talking about how many people came

633
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:54,940
to the meeting?

634
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:56,260
How many people came forward?

635
00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:58,640
Why aren't the churches increasing?

636
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,760
I had a lawyer call me from one

637
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,180
of the greatest churches in the country.

638
00:21:03,260 --> 00:21:05,060
So Mr. Raymond, at least a thousand people

639
00:21:05,060 --> 00:21:06,720
walk down the aisle in our church every

640
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:07,100
year.

641
00:21:07,660 --> 00:21:10,140
And after three years of doing that, he

642
00:21:10,140 --> 00:21:12,200
said the church is still the same size.

643
00:21:13,020 --> 00:21:14,820
We still have the same seating capacity.

644
00:21:15,340 --> 00:21:16,760
The prayer meetings haven't grown.

645
00:21:17,140 --> 00:21:19,360
There's no evidence except that these people come

646
00:21:19,360 --> 00:21:20,400
forward every Sunday.

647
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:22,520
Why haven't they?

648
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,000
As I said to you earlier today, brother,

649
00:21:25,540 --> 00:21:27,560
the darkness of this day is the gift

650
00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:28,660
of the church to the world.

651
00:21:28,740 --> 00:21:30,080
The street meetings have gone.

652
00:21:30,980 --> 00:21:33,040
Dear God, with all kinds of ministries around

653
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,160
here, but Tyler goes to hell.

654
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:37,760
How many churches do you have, the mega

655
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,540
churches in Dallas?

656
00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:41,980
I guess you can't find one street.

657
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,040
I spent 50 years of my life in

658
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:44,660
street meetings.

659
00:21:45,220 --> 00:21:47,260
Every Saturday night, I went out at 9

660
00:21:47,260 --> 00:21:48,460
30 till midnight.

661
00:21:48,540 --> 00:21:52,180
And after every night, whether it was snowing

662
00:21:52,180 --> 00:21:53,980
or raining or what, we went out to

663
00:21:53,980 --> 00:21:54,800
the same place.

664
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:56,620
And people came out of taverns and out

665
00:21:56,620 --> 00:21:58,880
of movie houses at 10 o'clock and

666
00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,500
stayed an hour and two hours in the

667
00:22:00,500 --> 00:22:00,940
cold.

668
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,180
No air-conditioned buildings.

669
00:22:04,220 --> 00:22:06,040
No nice, no attractive singers.

670
00:22:06,380 --> 00:22:07,480
Just testament to that.

671
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,740
One man said this man was in jail.

672
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,260
This man used to run around with women.

673
00:22:12,380 --> 00:22:13,720
This man has a prison record.

674
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:15,640
This man over there used to beat his

675
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:16,540
wife in the transfer.

676
00:22:16,660 --> 00:22:17,740
This girl was a prostitute.

677
00:22:17,860 --> 00:22:19,340
And put them out living flesh and blood.

678
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:20,160
Nobody could argue.

679
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:22,560
People would stand and say, why are you

680
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,560
the only preacher in the town does this?

681
00:22:25,380 --> 00:22:27,120
I don't know except God told me to

682
00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:28,020
do it and I do it.

683
00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:29,940
Well, that's where the lost people are.

684
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:32,660
A man would be an idiot to buy

685
00:22:32,660 --> 00:22:35,040
a hundred dollar fishing gear and fish in

686
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:35,600
his bathtub.

687
00:22:36,120 --> 00:22:37,580
And that's all we do in church.

688
00:22:37,700 --> 00:22:39,880
We're fishing with the same people every week.

689
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,280
And people are dying without God.

690
00:22:43,460 --> 00:22:45,280
I'm glad, dear brother, I was raised in

691
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,840
a church where we had another preachers off

692
00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:48,240
and boarding.

693
00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:51,120
I devoured the Methodist in book 80 years

694
00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:53,040
ago and I can recite still dozens and

695
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,020
dozens of hymns.

696
00:22:54,120 --> 00:22:56,020
And one was a hymn by Andrew Bonner,

697
00:22:56,020 --> 00:22:58,220
Go labor on, spend and be spent.

698
00:22:58,340 --> 00:22:59,920
Thy joys do the master's will.

699
00:23:00,300 --> 00:23:01,880
It is the way the master went, should

700
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,660
not the servant tread it still.

701
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,440
Men die in darkness at your side without

702
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:09,860
a hope to cheer the tomb.

703
00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:12,120
Take up the torch and wave it wide.

704
00:23:12,220 --> 00:23:14,620
The torch that lights time's thickest gloom.

705
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:16,100
I go to the prayer meeting.

706
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:17,200
Somebody will pray that.

707
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,160
After that, somebody will pray the prayer of

708
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,080
one of the modern women there from India.

709
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:27,600
What was her name?

710
00:23:28,120 --> 00:23:28,980
Amy Carmichael.

711
00:23:29,060 --> 00:23:30,420
Yeah, thank you, Amy Carmichael.

712
00:23:31,140 --> 00:23:33,280
You know, give me a love that leads

713
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,280
the way, a faith which nothing can dismay,

714
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,420
a hope, no disappointments, tired of passion that

715
00:23:37,420 --> 00:23:38,000
will burn like.

716
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,460
Let me not sink to be a cloth.

717
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,280
The woman in way over a hundred pounds.

718
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,820
Make me thy fuel flame of God.

719
00:23:44,500 --> 00:23:45,200
She never married.

720
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:46,560
She took a one-way ticket to the

721
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:47,180
mission field.

722
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,740
People go now, there's plenty of money in

723
00:23:49,740 --> 00:23:50,140
our church.

724
00:23:50,220 --> 00:23:51,360
Oh, we'd love you to come back for

725
00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:52,320
Christmas or Thanksgiving.

726
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:53,180
Do come back.

727
00:23:53,540 --> 00:23:54,740
So they break off and come back.

728
00:23:54,820 --> 00:23:55,320
They go back.

729
00:23:55,380 --> 00:23:56,240
They run to and fro.

730
00:23:56,500 --> 00:23:57,820
They have to go with a camera.

731
00:23:57,940 --> 00:23:59,040
They have to go with a load of

732
00:23:59,040 --> 00:23:59,360
stuff.

733
00:23:59,860 --> 00:24:01,780
You don't find the old-fashioned missionaries going

734
00:24:01,780 --> 00:24:02,660
like they used to do.

735
00:24:03,020 --> 00:24:05,340
Jackie went on a single ticket to Hong

736
00:24:05,340 --> 00:24:06,560
Kong when she was 19.

737
00:24:06,740 --> 00:24:07,840
She's 44 now.

738
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:08,740
She's still there.

739
00:24:09,580 --> 00:24:12,640
She's shed a million tears, but she's had

740
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:17,080
some of the greatest characters, infamous characters saved

741
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:17,420
there.

742
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,300
How many people come forward in your church,

743
00:24:20,340 --> 00:24:22,280
and you can go back afterwards and say,

744
00:24:22,980 --> 00:24:24,060
well, you came to the altar.

745
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:25,660
Well, what happened in your life?

746
00:24:26,260 --> 00:24:28,060
I think that everybody that comes to the

747
00:24:28,060 --> 00:24:29,840
altar, we should visit them during the week

748
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,100
and be sure that they did pass from

749
00:24:32,100 --> 00:24:33,760
death unto life, because what happens?

750
00:24:34,140 --> 00:24:35,760
They say, well, I've been out twice and

751
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:36,560
never got anything.

752
00:24:37,740 --> 00:24:40,180
Well, they can't, because so to do so

753
00:24:40,180 --> 00:24:40,720
mentally.

754
00:24:41,700 --> 00:24:43,460
I don't see any brokenness.

755
00:24:44,020 --> 00:24:46,380
I see kids come forward in a crusade.

756
00:24:46,380 --> 00:24:48,340
They're laughing and joining hands.

757
00:24:48,500 --> 00:24:50,180
They go out, and the first thing they

758
00:24:50,180 --> 00:24:54,380
do is stop at a hot dog place

759
00:24:54,380 --> 00:24:54,780
or something.

760
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:56,880
They don't go home to grieve and read

761
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,560
the Word and find out if it's true.

762
00:24:58,940 --> 00:25:00,900
They go back full of jollity, and they

763
00:25:00,900 --> 00:25:01,700
sing on the bus.

764
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,580
We had a wonderful time, but what are

765
00:25:03,580 --> 00:25:04,120
we doing?

766
00:25:05,180 --> 00:25:06,320
The summer's gone.

767
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,000
The harvest has passed, and we're not saved.

768
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,340
Is that what you're saying?

769
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,400
Yeah, well, I'm saying, dear brother, I don't

770
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,660
believe that we reach the conscience like some

771
00:25:18,660 --> 00:25:23,180
people, like one of the classic things Dr.

772
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:24,440
Tozzi used to quote to me often.

773
00:25:24,620 --> 00:25:26,320
He used to say, well, Len, remember when

774
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,540
our famous American preacher, D.L. Moody, went

775
00:25:28,540 --> 00:25:30,580
to London, the first day he preached, he'd

776
00:25:30,580 --> 00:25:33,080
laugh at his Yankee clothes.

777
00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:35,340
The second day, they laughed at his style.

778
00:25:35,340 --> 00:25:38,840
The third day, Cambridge University men were there

779
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:39,760
laughing, and he stopped them.

780
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,340
He said, gentlemen, laugh at my style.

781
00:25:41,500 --> 00:25:42,420
Laugh at my Americanism.

782
00:25:42,780 --> 00:25:44,420
But he said, in God's name, don't laugh

783
00:25:44,420 --> 00:25:45,160
at the Word of God.

784
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:46,200
He says, the Word of God, I would

785
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,400
just as soon handle fault-lightning.

786
00:25:49,820 --> 00:25:50,560
But what happened?

787
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,820
He's an illiterate man, comparative with no education.

788
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:57,340
He goes to London.

789
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,320
He goes from London to Scotland, where Alexander

790
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,920
White was the king of the pulpit at

791
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,400
that time, and Alexander White sits on the

792
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:05,980
edge of his chair with his mouth open.

793
00:26:06,540 --> 00:26:07,920
Well, what has this man got?

794
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,320
He doesn't know history too well, doesn't quote

795
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,820
scripture very correctly, but there's something about him.

796
00:26:13,140 --> 00:26:15,760
So much so that across town, there's a

797
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:17,740
man, I don't know if you know a

798
00:26:17,740 --> 00:26:20,860
book, written by Henry Drummond, the greatest thing

799
00:26:20,860 --> 00:26:21,880
in the world, it was one of the

800
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:22,880
greatest classics ever.

801
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,680
And Alexander White says to Drummond, hey, come

802
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:26,680
over and hear this fellow.

803
00:26:26,740 --> 00:26:28,380
We haven't had an evangelist like this.

804
00:26:28,820 --> 00:26:29,880
And they were spellbound.

805
00:26:30,380 --> 00:26:32,040
What would have happened if he'd gone to

806
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,160
London for three days?

807
00:26:33,260 --> 00:26:33,440
He didn't.

808
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:34,620
He went for eight months.

809
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:40,580
He went to Scotland, and the tent hall

810
00:26:40,580 --> 00:26:41,300
is still there.

811
00:26:41,580 --> 00:26:42,960
I think they called it a tent hall,

812
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,500
because people came out of the tent that

813
00:26:45,500 --> 00:26:46,980
Moody had and went in that hall.

814
00:26:47,300 --> 00:26:49,900
Also, one of the greatest Bible schools ever,

815
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,300
Glasgow Bible Institute, was founded because of that.

816
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,580
And the money was given to him.

817
00:26:57,740 --> 00:26:59,880
Well, I'll tell you, you talk about a

818
00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:00,280
background.

819
00:27:01,060 --> 00:27:03,060
One of the most wonderful men I ever

820
00:27:03,060 --> 00:27:04,500
saw was C.T. Studd.

821
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,840
Well, C.T. Studd's daddy used to buddy

822
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:07,840
with the King of England.

823
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,600
When I used to do, in World War

824
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:11,940
II, I went to one of the largest

825
00:27:11,940 --> 00:27:15,240
air force camps in the nation, and I

826
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:16,220
had to go up a hill and to

827
00:27:16,220 --> 00:27:17,660
the right, in the moonlight, I could see

828
00:27:17,660 --> 00:27:19,520
this estate where C.T. used to live

829
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:20,720
with a private racecourse.

830
00:27:21,180 --> 00:27:24,020
Well, C.T.'s daddy went to London, mixed

831
00:27:24,020 --> 00:27:26,080
up with all the society, and he had

832
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,940
about this Yankee preacher, well, let's go.

833
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,760
Well, when he got there, somebody asked a

834
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:37,160
man to pray while, what do you call

835
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:37,560
him now?

836
00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:40,100
Well, Moody was on the platform going to

837
00:27:40,100 --> 00:27:40,400
preach.

838
00:27:40,820 --> 00:27:42,160
They sang to him and said, pray.

839
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:43,620
This guy went on and on, and Moody

840
00:27:43,620 --> 00:27:45,620
jumped up and said, let's sing a song

841
00:27:45,620 --> 00:27:46,680
while this fellow finishes.

842
00:27:46,860 --> 00:27:48,940
So immediately, they were happy.

843
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,400
You know, the guy wasn't tied up to

844
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:51,060
formality.

845
00:27:51,460 --> 00:27:53,640
Well, they listened, and C.T., and I

846
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,940
think his father got saved there, as a

847
00:27:55,940 --> 00:27:58,420
result, he took the three most famous cricketers

848
00:27:58,420 --> 00:27:58,900
in England.

849
00:27:59,060 --> 00:28:01,420
C.T. was the Babe Ruth English critic,

850
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:02,160
cricket.

851
00:28:02,500 --> 00:28:05,000
Well, they went, and the whole society like

852
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:05,400
that went.

853
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,600
Well, C.T. joined up with the other

854
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,820
six, and they formed the Cambridge Seven, and

855
00:28:09,820 --> 00:28:10,520
went to China.

856
00:28:10,940 --> 00:28:12,600
I mean, there's all kinds of things happened

857
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:13,240
out of that.

858
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,780
One revival of an illiterate man that didn't

859
00:28:15,780 --> 00:28:17,480
care if they laughed at his clothes and

860
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,200
everything, and he received opposition.

861
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,120
Well, nothing happened like that till the 1920s,

862
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,280
or 26 or something like that, when George

863
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,180
Jeffreys went to Holcruise Edge in England, and

864
00:28:33,180 --> 00:28:37,380
Stephen Jeffreys had greater work than that, and

865
00:28:37,380 --> 00:28:39,000
they got to a time without a penny,

866
00:28:39,940 --> 00:28:41,780
and believe got to fill an auditorium with

867
00:28:41,780 --> 00:28:43,500
3,000 people in a week, and they

868
00:28:43,500 --> 00:28:43,900
did it.

869
00:28:44,620 --> 00:28:46,740
And they weren't great expositors.

870
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:53,730
Brother Reagan Hill, in Jeremiah, the prophet says,

871
00:28:54,010 --> 00:28:56,570
Thus saith the Lord, Stand ye in the

872
00:28:56,570 --> 00:28:59,450
ways, and see, and ask for the old

873
00:28:59,450 --> 00:28:59,890
paths.

874
00:29:00,750 --> 00:29:01,990
Where is the good way?

875
00:29:02,310 --> 00:29:05,450
Walk therein, and ye shall find rest for

876
00:29:05,450 --> 00:29:06,010
your souls.

877
00:29:07,490 --> 00:29:11,890
But they said, we will not walk therein.

878
00:29:15,090 --> 00:29:18,750
Well, going back, Brother Larry, I said, we've

879
00:29:18,750 --> 00:29:20,130
turned the light out in the street.

880
00:29:20,250 --> 00:29:22,150
We've no more street meetings.

881
00:29:22,290 --> 00:29:23,770
We've turned the light out Sunday night.

882
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:25,570
Many churches turn up at Sunday night meeting,

883
00:29:25,690 --> 00:29:26,310
Wednesday night.

884
00:29:26,670 --> 00:29:27,870
That's about the biggest tragedy.

885
00:29:28,450 --> 00:29:29,950
People say, don't you think we should get

886
00:29:29,950 --> 00:29:31,470
the Bible back in school?

887
00:29:31,610 --> 00:29:32,730
I said, that's not the first problem.

888
00:29:32,790 --> 00:29:33,810
Get it back in the home.

889
00:29:34,590 --> 00:29:36,710
Why don't, how many people meet, ask the

890
00:29:36,710 --> 00:29:38,610
deacons in your church, ask the pastor, how

891
00:29:38,610 --> 00:29:39,890
many of you have family worship?

892
00:29:40,010 --> 00:29:40,750
They don't have it.

893
00:29:41,070 --> 00:29:43,270
As soon as supper's over, they have to

894
00:29:43,270 --> 00:29:45,870
go and get on TV and leave it

895
00:29:45,870 --> 00:29:46,950
till the kid has got to bed.

896
00:29:47,070 --> 00:29:48,110
They don't know the Word of God.

897
00:29:48,890 --> 00:29:50,730
I had a man here, and his daughter

898
00:29:50,730 --> 00:29:52,730
came to bring me some mail, and she's

899
00:29:52,730 --> 00:29:53,190
14.

900
00:29:53,370 --> 00:29:55,330
I said, well, dearie, how much scripture have

901
00:29:55,330 --> 00:29:55,570
you memorized?

902
00:29:55,690 --> 00:29:56,770
Oh, I haven't memorized any.

903
00:29:57,310 --> 00:29:59,090
I said, can you memorize the Ten Commandments?

904
00:29:59,130 --> 00:30:00,310
He couldn't say the Ten Commandments.

905
00:30:01,010 --> 00:30:02,710
Two days after, a young guy came, he

906
00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:03,510
lives across town.

907
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:04,530
He has seven children.

908
00:30:05,150 --> 00:30:06,790
The eldest boy is 13.

909
00:30:06,910 --> 00:30:13,290
He's memorized every word of chapter in Proverbs.

910
00:30:13,670 --> 00:30:15,910
And the other boy is 10, and he's

911
00:30:15,910 --> 00:30:18,370
memorized 12 chapters of Proverbs, every word.

912
00:30:18,830 --> 00:30:20,270
The man gets up with his wife at

913
00:30:20,270 --> 00:30:21,950
4 to 4.30 in the morning.

914
00:30:22,090 --> 00:30:23,430
They have an hour together with the Word

915
00:30:23,430 --> 00:30:23,870
of God.

916
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:26,050
They get the children up just after 5,

917
00:30:26,090 --> 00:30:28,310
and then teach them the Word of God

918
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:28,910
and prayer.

919
00:30:29,730 --> 00:30:31,290
And then the children have a rest, and

920
00:30:31,290 --> 00:30:32,970
the mother teaches them the rest of the

921
00:30:32,970 --> 00:30:33,210
day.

922
00:30:33,250 --> 00:30:35,030
She's homeschooling them how they do it.

923
00:30:35,230 --> 00:30:37,130
But those little kids are walking Bibles.

924
00:30:37,130 --> 00:30:39,110
We don't know the Word of God.

925
00:30:39,250 --> 00:30:40,390
Two things we don't know.

926
00:30:41,950 --> 00:30:43,770
In fact, I said to the seminary men,

927
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:45,110
do you know God?

928
00:30:45,670 --> 00:30:47,130
Well, I didn't know, no.

929
00:30:47,290 --> 00:30:48,790
I answered, yes, I know.

930
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:50,710
Oh, I learned Hebrew.

931
00:30:50,890 --> 00:30:52,030
I didn't ask if you know Hebrew.

932
00:30:52,210 --> 00:30:52,930
Do you know God?

933
00:30:53,470 --> 00:30:55,710
You ask 10 young people in your church

934
00:30:55,710 --> 00:30:58,890
to answer in less than 50 words, why

935
00:30:58,890 --> 00:31:00,630
did Jesus come into the world?

936
00:31:01,030 --> 00:31:02,930
To save us from hell, to save us

937
00:31:02,930 --> 00:31:03,490
from sin.

938
00:31:04,130 --> 00:31:04,930
And so they go on.

939
00:31:05,270 --> 00:31:07,650
But what does Jesus say in John 17

940
00:31:07,650 --> 00:31:09,910
too, that they may know thee, the only

941
00:31:09,910 --> 00:31:10,330
true God.

942
00:31:10,430 --> 00:31:11,130
And that's the answer.

943
00:31:11,250 --> 00:31:12,110
We don't know God.

944
00:31:12,830 --> 00:31:15,030
If we knew God, we'd set the world

945
00:31:15,030 --> 00:31:15,570
on fire.

946
00:31:16,010 --> 00:31:17,510
If we knew God, we wouldn't beg for

947
00:31:17,510 --> 00:31:17,810
money.

948
00:31:18,570 --> 00:31:20,550
We know things about God, but we don't

949
00:31:20,550 --> 00:31:20,870
know God.

950
00:31:20,910 --> 00:31:21,670
We don't know God.

951
00:31:22,330 --> 00:31:24,090
But I want to tell you then, in

952
00:31:24,090 --> 00:31:28,070
1932, I preached in Swansea, South Wales, in

953
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:29,730
a little upper room, and there's a lady

954
00:31:29,730 --> 00:31:30,710
there with white hair.

955
00:31:31,370 --> 00:31:35,570
And she said, do you know my husband?

956
00:31:35,730 --> 00:31:36,810
I said, I didn't know you had one.

957
00:31:36,890 --> 00:31:39,150
She said, well, my husband is Major Russell.

958
00:31:39,290 --> 00:31:40,590
I said, well, who's Major Russell?

959
00:31:40,830 --> 00:31:41,630
In the British Army?

960
00:31:41,730 --> 00:31:42,810
No salvation on me.

961
00:31:44,790 --> 00:31:48,650
She said, would you come up and have

962
00:31:48,650 --> 00:31:49,290
a meal with us?

963
00:31:49,290 --> 00:31:51,690
I said, well, this is a crusade.

964
00:31:51,770 --> 00:31:53,530
And she said, I only have Friday off.

965
00:31:53,550 --> 00:31:54,970
I said, I'll take the bus and come

966
00:31:54,970 --> 00:31:56,510
up to places called Rovina.

967
00:31:57,070 --> 00:31:59,190
I'll come up Friday afternoon.

968
00:31:59,270 --> 00:32:00,710
She said, well, come and have some tea

969
00:32:00,710 --> 00:32:01,970
and we'll talk.

970
00:32:02,050 --> 00:32:03,670
So, here's a grey-haired fellow sitting.

971
00:32:05,670 --> 00:32:07,330
I said to him, well, it's a privilege

972
00:32:07,330 --> 00:32:08,290
to come and talk with you.

973
00:32:08,330 --> 00:32:08,930
How old are you?

974
00:32:09,010 --> 00:32:09,970
He said, well, I'm 82.

975
00:32:10,770 --> 00:32:12,150
And he said, I'll tell you some things

976
00:32:12,150 --> 00:32:13,630
that when you're my age, I said, I

977
00:32:13,630 --> 00:32:15,510
never lived to be 82, and I'm 84

978
00:32:15,510 --> 00:32:16,450
now, nearly 85.

979
00:32:17,390 --> 00:32:20,790
But he shared the office with William Booth,

980
00:32:20,830 --> 00:32:22,390
the founder of the Salvation Army.

981
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:24,830
I said, what were the days like?

982
00:32:24,990 --> 00:32:26,510
Days like heaven on earth.

983
00:32:27,090 --> 00:32:28,910
He said, God, the Holy Ghost came.

984
00:32:28,990 --> 00:32:30,770
They mentioned a certain place which is on

985
00:32:30,770 --> 00:32:31,890
the Strand in London.

986
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:34,290
He said, now it's a theatre.

987
00:32:34,790 --> 00:32:37,390
In those days, it's a hall you're hired.

988
00:32:38,210 --> 00:32:41,410
And movies weren't houses and theatres weren't open

989
00:32:41,410 --> 00:32:41,930
on Sundays.

990
00:32:42,050 --> 00:32:43,210
So, you could rent them on Sundays.

991
00:32:43,330 --> 00:32:44,590
So, you used to rent them Saturday and

992
00:32:44,590 --> 00:32:44,890
Sunday.

993
00:32:45,550 --> 00:32:48,590
And he said, I've been in that meeting.

994
00:32:48,730 --> 00:32:50,850
He said, people won't believe you when you

995
00:32:50,850 --> 00:32:51,310
tell them.

996
00:32:51,510 --> 00:32:57,210
And that was 1932, so it's almost 60

997
00:32:57,210 --> 00:32:57,670
years back.

998
00:32:58,150 --> 00:32:59,310
And he said, when you tell them, they

999
00:32:59,310 --> 00:32:59,610
won't believe you.

1000
00:32:59,650 --> 00:33:01,010
I said, well, they'll believe me, not tell

1001
00:33:01,010 --> 00:33:01,150
me.

1002
00:33:01,210 --> 00:33:01,930
I said, I want to know.

1003
00:33:02,010 --> 00:33:03,350
I don't care if it puts my nose

1004
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:03,990
in the ground.

1005
00:33:04,490 --> 00:33:05,610
I don't care what you say.

1006
00:33:06,170 --> 00:33:07,930
As long as you realize that just as

1007
00:33:07,930 --> 00:33:10,250
you're a link with the past, at my

1008
00:33:10,250 --> 00:33:11,930
age of 82, I'll be a link with

1009
00:33:11,930 --> 00:33:13,830
another generation that doesn't know God.

1010
00:33:14,390 --> 00:33:15,390
So, I said, well, I'll tell you what

1011
00:33:15,390 --> 00:33:15,710
happened.

1012
00:33:16,230 --> 00:33:18,310
He said, William Booth could preach like nobody

1013
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:19,630
else from Jeremiah.

1014
00:33:19,810 --> 00:33:21,670
The harvest is past, as somebody said it.

1015
00:33:21,870 --> 00:33:24,010
Oh, his favorite was, and he had a

1016
00:33:24,010 --> 00:33:25,990
gruff voice, if those run with a footman

1017
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:27,390
and they have worried thee, I will now

1018
00:33:27,390 --> 00:33:29,230
do in the swelling of the Jordan, fire

1019
00:33:29,230 --> 00:33:31,390
of Ollie, which meant say hallelujah.

1020
00:33:31,510 --> 00:33:32,830
So, they all wrote hallelujah, you know.

1021
00:33:33,530 --> 00:33:36,450
And he said that what William Booth could

1022
00:33:36,450 --> 00:33:38,370
do, he could get men trembling, he said.

1023
00:33:38,990 --> 00:33:41,370
He said, as a matter of fact, you'll

1024
00:33:41,370 --> 00:33:43,390
give them a hymn book of maybe 25

1025
00:33:43,390 --> 00:33:45,750
pages and they'd sit with it on their

1026
00:33:45,750 --> 00:33:47,730
lap and shred it while they were, they

1027
00:33:47,730 --> 00:33:48,970
were so disturbed.

1028
00:33:49,230 --> 00:33:51,090
He said, you could see where these men

1029
00:33:51,090 --> 00:33:52,690
have been, all the back pews were full

1030
00:33:52,690 --> 00:33:53,610
of shredded hymn books.

1031
00:33:53,850 --> 00:33:55,930
The same thing happened in 1926.

1032
00:33:56,050 --> 00:34:01,830
I talked with the greatest revivalist Ireland's ever

1033
00:34:01,830 --> 00:34:02,990
had, W.P. Nicholson.

1034
00:34:03,130 --> 00:34:04,590
He said, by the way, he said, people

1035
00:34:04,590 --> 00:34:06,030
used to shred the hymn books when we

1036
00:34:06,030 --> 00:34:06,250
listened.

1037
00:34:06,410 --> 00:34:07,090
They were under conviction.

1038
00:34:07,230 --> 00:34:08,969
They were so nervous and sweat would run

1039
00:34:08,969 --> 00:34:10,510
off their noses, not that it doesn't happen

1040
00:34:10,510 --> 00:34:10,850
anymore.

1041
00:34:11,650 --> 00:34:14,909
Anyhow, going back to this, he said, the

1042
00:34:14,909 --> 00:34:17,150
old William Wood Peach hellfire boy, he said,

1043
00:34:17,150 --> 00:34:18,210
he could make you shake.

1044
00:34:18,909 --> 00:34:20,830
And he said, but he couldn't make an

1045
00:34:20,830 --> 00:34:21,409
altar call.

1046
00:34:21,969 --> 00:34:24,190
So, he would say, now come to the

1047
00:34:24,190 --> 00:34:26,170
mercy seat, come to the mercy seat, come,

1048
00:34:26,270 --> 00:34:27,710
run for your life, you're going to hell.

1049
00:34:28,370 --> 00:34:29,130
And he couldn't get anywhere.

1050
00:34:29,429 --> 00:34:31,690
He'd shout out, where is Lawley?

1051
00:34:31,790 --> 00:34:32,570
Where is Lawley?

1052
00:34:32,650 --> 00:34:35,830
Well, Commissioner Lawley was one of the stalwarts

1053
00:34:35,830 --> 00:34:37,389
of the Salvation Army, like Bringle.

1054
00:34:37,610 --> 00:34:39,310
And he said, he was under the platform

1055
00:34:39,310 --> 00:34:40,730
and it would come out.

1056
00:34:40,810 --> 00:34:42,409
And they used to hand clothes to each

1057
00:34:42,409 --> 00:34:44,429
other, you know, like somebody gave me your

1058
00:34:44,429 --> 00:34:46,530
suit, it would be hanging down on me.

1059
00:34:46,610 --> 00:34:48,610
And Commissioner Lawley's coat was down to his

1060
00:34:48,610 --> 00:34:48,969
ankles.

1061
00:34:49,330 --> 00:34:51,110
But he said, it'd come out on all

1062
00:34:51,110 --> 00:34:52,570
fours and do this, there'd be a cloud

1063
00:34:52,570 --> 00:34:53,090
of dust.

1064
00:34:53,429 --> 00:34:55,650
And then Lawley would begin to make an

1065
00:34:55,650 --> 00:34:58,130
appeal, you know, come to the mercy seat.

1066
00:34:58,470 --> 00:35:00,250
And he said, the altar would be lined,

1067
00:35:00,330 --> 00:35:01,610
but sometimes they wouldn't come.

1068
00:35:02,210 --> 00:35:03,730
He said, the general would turn around and

1069
00:35:03,730 --> 00:35:05,270
roar at us, you know, pray.

1070
00:35:06,070 --> 00:35:07,730
Everybody looked down and prayed.

1071
00:35:09,110 --> 00:35:11,050
And usually there's a break, but he said,

1072
00:35:11,090 --> 00:35:13,210
this day they prayed and nothing happened.

1073
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:14,310
So he said again, pray.

1074
00:35:15,330 --> 00:35:16,530
He said, everybody's nervous.

1075
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:18,370
Hey, what's happening to the old boy?

1076
00:35:18,410 --> 00:35:19,530
He's angry, he's angry.

1077
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:20,950
Well, let's pray.

1078
00:35:21,150 --> 00:35:22,870
And he said, Lord, Lord, move right now,

1079
00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:23,550
move right now.

1080
00:35:24,130 --> 00:35:25,690
And he said, nobody came.

1081
00:35:25,810 --> 00:35:27,490
So a third time he'd roar, you know,

1082
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:28,930
get hold of God.

1083
00:35:29,010 --> 00:35:30,410
He said, this meeting is going to go

1084
00:35:30,410 --> 00:35:30,930
to hell.

1085
00:35:30,990 --> 00:35:32,290
These people are perishing.

1086
00:35:32,690 --> 00:35:34,530
Some of them are wealthy, some are poor,

1087
00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:36,530
some are ignorant, some are backslidden.

1088
00:35:36,810 --> 00:35:37,030
Pray.

1089
00:35:38,290 --> 00:35:40,590
And he said, the Holy Ghost would take

1090
00:35:40,590 --> 00:35:42,450
all the men on the backseat and lift

1091
00:35:42,450 --> 00:35:45,450
them bodily over the congregation and drop them

1092
00:35:45,450 --> 00:35:46,010
on the altar.

1093
00:35:47,330 --> 00:35:49,450
I've said to Pentecostals, you saw that, you'd

1094
00:35:49,450 --> 00:35:51,310
run for the door, you'd say spiritism or

1095
00:35:51,310 --> 00:35:51,590
something.

1096
00:35:52,490 --> 00:35:54,090
I said, but there was an unwritten law

1097
00:35:54,090 --> 00:35:55,050
in the Salvation Army.

1098
00:35:55,130 --> 00:35:57,010
They called their churches a core, you know,

1099
00:35:57,130 --> 00:35:59,790
like the army does, C-O-R-P

1100
00:35:59,790 --> 00:36:00,350
-S, core.

1101
00:36:01,290 --> 00:36:03,490
And it was an unwritten law in the

1102
00:36:03,490 --> 00:36:05,590
Salvation Army that when you finished your street

1103
00:36:05,590 --> 00:36:07,950
meeting at nine o'clock Saturday night, you

1104
00:36:07,950 --> 00:36:09,390
go to pray till midnight.

1105
00:36:09,870 --> 00:36:12,190
And he said to me, we had men

1106
00:36:12,190 --> 00:36:13,070
that would pray.

1107
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:15,810
And one old man particularly would say, he'd

1108
00:36:15,810 --> 00:36:17,710
jump up, maybe 12 or one, and raise

1109
00:36:17,710 --> 00:36:19,510
his hand and shout, victory, victory.

1110
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:20,910
There'll be 10 tomorrow.

1111
00:36:21,490 --> 00:36:22,910
And he said, there'll be 9 or 10

1112
00:36:22,910 --> 00:36:23,430
saved.

1113
00:36:23,710 --> 00:36:25,290
Or he'd say, there'll be 15, there'll be

1114
00:36:25,290 --> 00:36:26,250
13 or 14.

1115
00:36:26,350 --> 00:36:27,590
He said, it was only one or 12

1116
00:36:27,590 --> 00:36:28,450
every time.

1117
00:36:29,070 --> 00:36:30,850
But he said, remember, we had street meetings,

1118
00:36:30,990 --> 00:36:32,690
we got baptized with rotten eggs.

1119
00:36:33,810 --> 00:36:36,470
In those days, there were no houses with

1120
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:36,870
bathrooms.

1121
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:39,650
They kept a, what they call a pot

1122
00:36:39,650 --> 00:36:41,970
under the bed, and they'd know it was

1123
00:36:41,970 --> 00:36:42,210
empty.

1124
00:36:42,430 --> 00:36:43,810
And people would run out and throw it

1125
00:36:43,810 --> 00:36:45,510
from a window and throw urine on them.

1126
00:36:46,030 --> 00:36:47,570
And he said, we kept two coats.

1127
00:36:47,670 --> 00:36:49,010
He kept an old one with eggs.

1128
00:36:49,590 --> 00:36:51,330
And you went home and scraped them off,

1129
00:36:51,410 --> 00:36:52,970
and then you put your Sunday best on.

1130
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:55,850
And he said, Bert, he said, who cares

1131
00:36:55,850 --> 00:36:56,750
when there's revival?

1132
00:36:57,210 --> 00:36:58,610
As I said to you, you don't have

1133
00:36:58,610 --> 00:36:59,670
to advertise a fire.

1134
00:37:00,410 --> 00:37:03,130
Colonel Bringle was the biggest orator in America.

1135
00:37:03,730 --> 00:37:06,850
And I don't know who it was, or

1136
00:37:06,850 --> 00:37:08,970
the multimillionaires offered to build him the biggest

1137
00:37:08,970 --> 00:37:11,130
church in America, give him the biggest salary

1138
00:37:11,130 --> 00:37:11,870
if he would stay.

1139
00:37:12,210 --> 00:37:13,310
He said, I'm going to London.

1140
00:37:13,410 --> 00:37:13,610
Why?

1141
00:37:13,710 --> 00:37:14,870
Because there's a fire.

1142
00:37:15,230 --> 00:37:16,790
There's a man called William Booth, he was

1143
00:37:16,790 --> 00:37:18,370
a Methodist, they got rid of him.

1144
00:37:18,610 --> 00:37:20,590
And he's having revival, and he went and

1145
00:37:20,590 --> 00:37:21,210
had revival.

1146
00:37:21,790 --> 00:37:23,590
And he gathered all kinds of people to

1147
00:37:23,590 --> 00:37:23,750
him.

1148
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:29,330
But the secret again, that they had a

1149
00:37:29,330 --> 00:37:29,690
burning.

1150
00:37:29,830 --> 00:37:31,610
You went in a prayer meeting, you know,

1151
00:37:31,650 --> 00:37:33,990
you felt the glory, the majesty of God.

1152
00:37:34,590 --> 00:37:36,090
And now you don't do that.

1153
00:37:36,250 --> 00:37:37,830
Like I was with a team not long

1154
00:37:37,830 --> 00:37:39,930
ago, well, before the meeting at night, we

1155
00:37:39,930 --> 00:37:41,410
went in a side room and they'd hot

1156
00:37:41,410 --> 00:37:43,810
tea and cold tea and drinks and fruit

1157
00:37:43,810 --> 00:37:47,030
and everything, and trivia talking and straight off

1158
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:48,010
there to the platform.

1159
00:37:48,350 --> 00:37:50,330
How do you suddenly turn off and suddenly

1160
00:37:50,330 --> 00:37:51,230
become spiritual?

1161
00:37:52,190 --> 00:37:54,350
We traveled the country, but I walked the

1162
00:37:54,350 --> 00:37:55,830
length of England, walked the breadth of England

1163
00:37:55,830 --> 00:37:57,370
with five college fellows.

1164
00:37:57,550 --> 00:37:59,110
We slept in fields at night, we slept

1165
00:37:59,110 --> 00:37:59,730
in churches.

1166
00:38:00,490 --> 00:38:02,270
We didn't get a penny wage in six

1167
00:38:02,270 --> 00:38:03,890
months, and nobody ever said a word.

1168
00:38:04,330 --> 00:38:06,270
Because at night, we'd kneel in the street

1169
00:38:06,270 --> 00:38:07,930
at ten and eleven o'clock at night,

1170
00:38:08,030 --> 00:38:09,430
and people get saved in the street.

1171
00:38:09,770 --> 00:38:11,330
You don't care who where you sleep.

1172
00:38:11,410 --> 00:38:14,130
We slept in sleeping bags for three years,

1173
00:38:14,570 --> 00:38:16,110
slept on the floor of churches.

1174
00:38:16,270 --> 00:38:18,130
Anyway, they'd take us in, but we had

1175
00:38:18,130 --> 00:38:18,550
revival.

1176
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:20,330
The churches are still standing today.

1177
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:22,850
But now I go to a meeting and

1178
00:38:22,850 --> 00:38:24,610
everybody says, oh, nice to see you.

1179
00:38:24,970 --> 00:38:25,750
And they want to talk.

1180
00:38:25,830 --> 00:38:27,430
I say, leave me alone.

1181
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:30,150
Well, we went, brother, we had a solid

1182
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:32,130
hour of prayer together, eleven o'clock to

1183
00:38:32,130 --> 00:38:33,110
twelve in the morning.

1184
00:38:33,630 --> 00:38:34,710
Then we had a bit of a rest

1185
00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:36,570
in the afternoon and mostly went to prayer.

1186
00:38:36,990 --> 00:38:38,470
Then we had a prayer meeting one hour

1187
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:40,590
before the night service, went on the platform,

1188
00:38:40,590 --> 00:38:42,370
charged with the power of God and full

1189
00:38:42,370 --> 00:38:43,810
of expectation and faith.

1190
00:38:44,710 --> 00:38:46,250
And night by night, the elders were lined

1191
00:38:46,250 --> 00:38:46,870
with people.

1192
00:38:47,290 --> 00:38:48,470
We don't do that today.

1193
00:38:49,550 --> 00:38:51,390
We've got Miss so-and-so, she's number

1194
00:38:51,390 --> 00:38:52,370
one on the charts.

1195
00:38:52,510 --> 00:38:53,370
We've got so-and-so.

1196
00:38:53,610 --> 00:38:56,110
And it's humanism, we're depending on something we

1197
00:38:56,110 --> 00:38:56,590
have.

1198
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:58,750
I mean, you clap, you go to one

1199
00:38:58,750 --> 00:39:00,530
charismatic meeting, you've been to them all.

1200
00:39:00,570 --> 00:39:02,530
You stand and sing for thirty, forty minutes.

1201
00:39:02,750 --> 00:39:04,450
We're trying to work something up when God

1202
00:39:04,450 --> 00:39:05,670
has to send something down.

1203
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:08,430
I can remember, dear brother, when you went

1204
00:39:08,430 --> 00:39:10,910
to a holiness meeting in England or a

1205
00:39:10,910 --> 00:39:13,350
Pentecostal, there were more people at the altar

1206
00:39:13,350 --> 00:39:14,850
before the service than after.

1207
00:39:15,210 --> 00:39:16,750
I used to fear going when I was

1208
00:39:16,750 --> 00:39:17,250
fourteen.

1209
00:39:17,890 --> 00:39:19,090
I used to go, my daddy used to

1210
00:39:19,090 --> 00:39:21,510
take me to a Pentecostal meeting and the

1211
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:23,690
whole row, the throng before, and they'd be

1212
00:39:23,690 --> 00:39:26,710
praying with energy and crying to God.

1213
00:39:26,990 --> 00:39:28,890
One old man particularly would say, come Lord

1214
00:39:28,890 --> 00:39:29,990
and walk in our midst.

1215
00:39:30,110 --> 00:39:31,170
And I used to think, I hope he

1216
00:39:31,170 --> 00:39:33,010
doesn't because I'm scared to death he would.

1217
00:39:33,650 --> 00:39:35,290
But God used to come in the meeting.

1218
00:39:36,490 --> 00:39:37,610
And then at the end he didn't have

1219
00:39:37,610 --> 00:39:39,870
to beg and sing emotional songs, there's room

1220
00:39:39,870 --> 00:39:40,410
at the cross.

1221
00:39:40,530 --> 00:39:42,270
Forget it, there's room on the cross.

1222
00:39:44,090 --> 00:39:45,530
Forget there's room at the cross.

1223
00:39:46,190 --> 00:39:47,030
Get on the cross.

1224
00:39:47,590 --> 00:39:49,310
And as Joseph said, a man going down

1225
00:39:49,310 --> 00:39:50,650
the road with a cross, you know, one

1226
00:39:50,650 --> 00:39:52,370
thing about him, he wasn't coming back.

1227
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:54,610
Our people don't want to die.

1228
00:39:55,390 --> 00:39:56,950
There's only two kinds of people in the

1229
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:58,610
world, those who are dead to sin and

1230
00:39:58,610 --> 00:39:59,730
those who are dead in sin.

1231
00:40:00,750 --> 00:40:02,050
And we're in one of the two.

1232
00:40:04,370 --> 00:40:06,370
In fact, you talked about victory, they laugh

1233
00:40:06,370 --> 00:40:06,750
at you.

1234
00:40:08,570 --> 00:40:09,830
Oh, you can't live in victory?

1235
00:40:10,110 --> 00:40:11,750
Well then, why don't you be a Buddhist

1236
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:12,350
to somebody?

1237
00:40:12,850 --> 00:40:14,350
What do you do with somebody that says,

1238
00:40:14,690 --> 00:40:16,250
look, I don't just want to get sick,

1239
00:40:16,270 --> 00:40:17,470
I want to be pure in heart.

1240
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:18,610
You can't be pure in heart.

1241
00:40:18,670 --> 00:40:19,350
Who says so?

1242
00:40:19,570 --> 00:40:21,290
One of the latest books off the press

1243
00:40:21,290 --> 00:40:21,970
says you can't.

1244
00:40:22,350 --> 00:40:23,230
Who cares a hillaby?

1245
00:40:23,330 --> 00:40:24,490
What does the Word of God say?

1246
00:40:25,970 --> 00:40:27,850
What did Jesus say to the bad woman

1247
00:40:27,850 --> 00:40:28,690
that came to him?

1248
00:40:29,090 --> 00:40:30,110
Go and sin less.

1249
00:40:31,710 --> 00:40:33,390
He says that to a woman who's been

1250
00:40:33,390 --> 00:40:36,310
spending in immorality before the cross.

1251
00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:39,110
What does Paul say?

1252
00:40:39,750 --> 00:40:41,410
Let him that stole steal less.

1253
00:40:42,830 --> 00:40:44,150
No study, it's cut off.

1254
00:40:48,020 --> 00:40:50,540
What we need in America, dear brothers, is

1255
00:40:50,540 --> 00:40:52,360
more than ever, we need people to go

1256
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:53,900
forth with a new birth message.

1257
00:40:54,060 --> 00:40:56,480
Forget all about tongues, forget all about miracles

1258
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,520
and signs and wonders, in case they're not

1259
00:40:58,520 --> 00:40:59,420
happening anyhow.

1260
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,760
Let's get back to real genuine conversion.

1261
00:41:03,940 --> 00:41:04,080
Why?

1262
00:41:04,740 --> 00:41:06,980
Most of our kids, our teenagers, they go

1263
00:41:06,980 --> 00:41:09,760
to a Christian camp.

1264
00:41:09,860 --> 00:41:11,460
Well, Christian camps are not much better than

1265
00:41:11,460 --> 00:41:11,800
others.

1266
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,300
I mean, Adam Israel here, one of the

1267
00:41:15,300 --> 00:41:17,020
few men I really respect in the world,

1268
00:41:17,500 --> 00:41:19,140
he came from India and he came through

1269
00:41:19,140 --> 00:41:20,980
Hawaii, so he went to a very famous

1270
00:41:20,980 --> 00:41:21,920
Bible school there.

1271
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:22,900
What do you think of it?

1272
00:41:22,980 --> 00:41:24,700
He said, well, he said the girl's shorts

1273
00:41:24,700 --> 00:41:26,380
were so bad when they came toward me,

1274
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:27,160
I was disgusted.

1275
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:28,340
When they went the other way, it was

1276
00:41:28,340 --> 00:41:28,640
worse.

1277
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,040
So he said to the world famous leader,

1278
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:32,900
you've no dress code here.

1279
00:41:33,460 --> 00:41:34,720
He said, what do you mean?

1280
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,560
He said, well, the girls come towards me.

1281
00:41:36,620 --> 00:41:38,580
He said, you can't tell their shorts on

1282
00:41:38,580 --> 00:41:38,980
the social.

1283
00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:40,780
When they go the other way, they're terrible.

1284
00:41:41,140 --> 00:41:42,860
And the reply he got from the famous

1285
00:41:42,860 --> 00:41:44,420
leader was, as long as their cheeks are

1286
00:41:44,420 --> 00:41:45,580
not showing, they're all right.

1287
00:41:46,140 --> 00:41:48,080
So as a girl's backside to be showing,

1288
00:41:48,900 --> 00:41:51,660
you can't even not preach holiness, you can't

1289
00:41:51,660 --> 00:41:53,040
preach modesty these days.

1290
00:41:53,420 --> 00:41:55,360
Because kids are used to getting saved and

1291
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:56,700
going straight back to the old way.

1292
00:41:56,780 --> 00:41:58,640
They go mixed bathing in some of the

1293
00:41:58,640 --> 00:41:59,640
meetings around here.

1294
00:42:00,300 --> 00:42:03,240
They'll have two missionary groups go to wet

1295
00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:03,760
and wild.

1296
00:42:04,300 --> 00:42:05,560
But what do guys want to stand with

1297
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,420
half naked women, women in bikinis or as

1298
00:42:08,420 --> 00:42:09,880
near as they can to there.

1299
00:42:10,460 --> 00:42:11,660
I had a man came to see me

1300
00:42:11,660 --> 00:42:14,420
a few weeks ago and he said, he'd

1301
00:42:14,420 --> 00:42:16,140
been to a ministry near here.

1302
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,240
And he said, I went to the meeting

1303
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:18,680
last night.

1304
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:19,440
It was very good.

1305
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:20,100
I enjoyed it.

1306
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,040
But then he said this morning, they said

1307
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,320
we were meeting at the swimming pool.

1308
00:42:23,420 --> 00:42:24,540
He said, there was my wife.

1309
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,440
For the first time in her life, my

1310
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,980
five children saw the mother almost naked, standing

1311
00:42:28,980 --> 00:42:29,620
in a pool.

1312
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,540
And I realized this is not for me.

1313
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:32,280
And he left it.

1314
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:33,660
And another man left not after.

1315
00:42:34,340 --> 00:42:36,480
And he said, if you can't have modesty,

1316
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:38,440
where can you have it?

1317
00:42:38,900 --> 00:42:39,960
And they don't want to pray.

1318
00:42:40,060 --> 00:42:41,340
They have no appetite for prayer.

1319
00:42:42,100 --> 00:42:44,660
But the old salvation army thrived on prayer.

1320
00:42:45,460 --> 00:42:47,940
The greatest revivals in history, the Shang Tung

1321
00:42:47,940 --> 00:42:48,500
revival.

1322
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:54,770
When Munson was there.

1323
00:42:55,530 --> 00:42:57,550
And the woman that died last year of

1324
00:42:57,550 --> 00:43:02,740
a hundred years old, Bertha Smith with the

1325
00:43:02,740 --> 00:43:04,120
Southern Baptist.

1326
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:06,080
She was born again.

1327
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,600
She was filled with the Holy Ghost in

1328
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:08,180
that revival.

1329
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,220
And they expected God to move in phenomenal

1330
00:43:11,220 --> 00:43:11,840
ways.

1331
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,080
They didn't advertise it.

1332
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,360
We don't have to advertise it.

1333
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,800
What we need is God in the midst.

1334
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,640
If God is in the midst, a lot

1335
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,540
of our stuff would never take place.

1336
00:43:26,070 --> 00:43:27,190
Just let God come.

1337
00:43:27,930 --> 00:43:28,990
His very presence.

1338
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:32,860
That happened in the Welsh revival.

1339
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,000
You know, when you go to a revival

1340
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,740
now, the big guy gets up, they sing,

1341
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,800
then Bev Shea, somebody's going to sing, then

1342
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,500
something else and it's all programmed beforehand.

1343
00:43:43,700 --> 00:43:44,600
How can God come in?

1344
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:51,040
I went with that Welshman who went through

1345
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:56,040
the revival with William Booth.

1346
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:58,440
But then I said, what about the Welsh

1347
00:43:58,440 --> 00:43:58,720
revival?

1348
00:43:58,860 --> 00:43:59,700
He said, I'll tell you what happened in

1349
00:43:59,700 --> 00:44:00,360
the Welsh revival.

1350
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,260
He said, I was with William Booth in

1351
00:44:02,260 --> 00:44:02,800
his office.

1352
00:44:03,060 --> 00:44:06,460
We were having meetings in London and somebody

1353
00:44:06,460 --> 00:44:07,160
sent me a note.

1354
00:44:07,220 --> 00:44:07,760
My wife.

1355
00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:09,360
Revival has broken out.

1356
00:44:09,460 --> 00:44:11,160
There's a young man in his twenties, Evan

1357
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,880
Roberts, and he's packing everywhere he goes.

1358
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,060
He won't even let them publicize him.

1359
00:44:16,100 --> 00:44:17,780
He won't let them put his picture in

1360
00:44:17,780 --> 00:44:18,280
the paper.

1361
00:44:18,940 --> 00:44:20,940
They'll just announce he's coming to Swansea and

1362
00:44:20,940 --> 00:44:23,120
every church in town is filled because they

1363
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:23,900
don't know where he's going.

1364
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,400
So he said, well, I knew Friday afternoon

1365
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:33,560
I could leave Friday afternoon and that's Saturday

1366
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,840
free and I can come back Sunday and

1367
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:37,180
get to the office for Monday morning.

1368
00:44:37,660 --> 00:44:38,520
So I said, I went there.

1369
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:39,480
Meeting was crowded.

1370
00:44:39,620 --> 00:44:41,840
In one meeting, Evan Roberts comes in.

1371
00:44:41,900 --> 00:44:44,860
There's 800 people, which isn't big for America,

1372
00:44:44,980 --> 00:44:47,020
but there it's the largest hall in town.

1373
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,980
And Evan walks down to the front seat,

1374
00:44:51,020 --> 00:44:54,520
sits down, bows his head and prayed for

1375
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:55,180
three hours.

1376
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:57,260
Our people walk out.

1377
00:44:59,700 --> 00:45:01,500
But then he stood up for 15 minutes.

1378
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:03,340
He said, yeah, I don't like it in

1379
00:45:03,340 --> 00:45:03,700
your life.

1380
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,020
The Holy Ghost came upon him.

1381
00:45:05,020 --> 00:45:06,120
He was a big man.

1382
00:45:07,580 --> 00:45:09,900
When he prayed, God just came down as

1383
00:45:09,900 --> 00:45:11,280
though he'd jumped in the audience.

1384
00:45:12,720 --> 00:45:14,200
And that happened more than once.

1385
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,640
But he said, once I had that young

1386
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:18,040
man.

1387
00:45:18,260 --> 00:45:19,720
And of course, the Welsh can sing like

1388
00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:20,560
nobody on earth.

1389
00:45:21,100 --> 00:45:22,860
God me, O thou great Jehovah, these are

1390
00:45:22,860 --> 00:45:23,500
the great hymns.

1391
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:25,300
And he said, at the end of the

1392
00:45:25,300 --> 00:45:29,220
meeting, he said, no, no, no, no, no,

1393
00:45:29,220 --> 00:45:29,380
no.

1394
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,040
He just, after he'd prayed for three hours

1395
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,460
and spoke for 15 minutes, he went out.

1396
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:38,820
At 10 o'clock at night, he'd prayed

1397
00:45:38,820 --> 00:45:40,520
the whole night for the anointing for the

1398
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:41,100
next day.

1399
00:45:41,820 --> 00:45:42,900
Our guys don't do that.

1400
00:45:42,980 --> 00:45:44,880
They go sit and talk and say silly

1401
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:45,560
jokes.

1402
00:45:46,940 --> 00:45:48,860
We want to be spiritual and calm, a

1403
00:45:48,860 --> 00:45:51,940
spiritual carnal, hot and cold, all out for

1404
00:45:51,940 --> 00:45:53,460
God, all out for the cowboys.

1405
00:45:53,740 --> 00:45:54,560
God says, no.

1406
00:45:55,820 --> 00:45:57,460
And you've done it for 25 years.

1407
00:45:57,460 --> 00:45:59,460
Why not quit and start something different?

1408
00:45:59,820 --> 00:45:59,960
OK.

1409
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,420
So then he said, I stayed the first

1410
00:46:03,420 --> 00:46:03,700
day.

1411
00:46:03,820 --> 00:46:05,220
Boy, he said, I was hooked.

1412
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,040
Here's this young man preaching like nobody had

1413
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:09,440
ever preached in my life.

1414
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:11,640
Praying as nobody had prayed.

1415
00:46:11,900 --> 00:46:12,380
Tears.

1416
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,020
And he said, I listened the first day.

1417
00:46:15,700 --> 00:46:17,820
I thought, well, I can still get the

1418
00:46:17,820 --> 00:46:19,940
train overnight and get back to my office

1419
00:46:19,940 --> 00:46:20,680
Monday morning.

1420
00:46:21,140 --> 00:46:22,920
But boy, he said, Sunday night was better,

1421
00:46:23,060 --> 00:46:24,260
so I stayed the next day.

1422
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,180
And then I thought, well, I'm in trouble.

1423
00:46:27,300 --> 00:46:28,680
Any other general will be after me.

1424
00:46:28,780 --> 00:46:31,480
Oh, no, no, because I can use this

1425
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,780
other day as my day off for this

1426
00:46:33,780 --> 00:46:34,100
week.

1427
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,760
And he kept bargaining with himself like that.

1428
00:46:37,020 --> 00:46:39,940
And he goes home on Saturday, Friday night.

1429
00:46:40,740 --> 00:46:42,040
He goes in the office.

1430
00:46:44,780 --> 00:46:46,320
He said, William Booth just turned around and

1431
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,040
said, Russell, where have you been?

1432
00:46:48,860 --> 00:46:50,060
You know, barked at me.

1433
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,100
And he said to himself quietly, General, I've

1434
00:46:54,100 --> 00:46:54,980
been to heaven.

1435
00:46:56,460 --> 00:46:57,240
You've been where?

1436
00:46:59,450 --> 00:47:00,370
I've been to heaven.

1437
00:47:02,220 --> 00:47:03,520
What do you mean you've been to heaven?

1438
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,900
He said, sir, the Spirit of God is

1439
00:47:06,900 --> 00:47:08,860
on a man in Wales, a young man,

1440
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:11,920
almost without tutoring.

1441
00:47:12,420 --> 00:47:14,240
He hadn't been to a Salvation Army college,

1442
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:15,520
but God is upon him.

1443
00:47:15,620 --> 00:47:18,320
He's been in hiding for 13 years.

1444
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,760
Dear God, he's only 26 years old and

1445
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,260
he prayed for 13 years.

1446
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,160
I said to preachers, when I get the

1447
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,380
chance, I said, listen, you say I need

1448
00:47:31,380 --> 00:47:33,800
a vacation and you need a cave.

1449
00:47:33,900 --> 00:47:35,000
I said, can you go for three?

1450
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,500
Surely you can't go for three hours without

1451
00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:38,460
turning TV on.

1452
00:47:38,500 --> 00:47:40,600
You don't need grace to pull down strongholds.

1453
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:41,880
You need grace to stop TV.

1454
00:47:42,340 --> 00:47:43,540
That's the devilish thing.

1455
00:47:43,780 --> 00:47:45,760
It's not the devil, it's your choices.

1456
00:47:46,660 --> 00:47:51,080
Anyhow, he said, the General said, well, tell

1457
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:51,640
me about it.

1458
00:47:51,720 --> 00:47:52,360
Tell me about this.

1459
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:54,240
He said, the General just relaxed.

1460
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,460
And I told him how God had worked.

1461
00:47:56,580 --> 00:47:58,160
And he said, there's no begging people.

1462
00:47:58,260 --> 00:47:59,840
They come and rush to the scene and

1463
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:00,300
cry.

1464
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,880
And he said, the police are not arresting

1465
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:03,340
anybody.

1466
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,960
The judges are not, the courts are closed.

1467
00:48:07,340 --> 00:48:08,460
The taverns are closed.

1468
00:48:08,900 --> 00:48:10,720
They have prayer meetings in the coal mine.

1469
00:48:11,220 --> 00:48:12,980
They used to take a little tin, you

1470
00:48:12,980 --> 00:48:14,320
know, with the, what do you call it,

1471
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,220
a food tin you take.

1472
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,320
And they call it, I mean, they're snapped.

1473
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:20,360
You've only a little time.

1474
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,100
And they'd eat the snap before they start

1475
00:48:23,100 --> 00:48:23,420
working.

1476
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:24,600
And then they'd spend the rest of the

1477
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,340
time praying in the dinner hour or singing

1478
00:48:27,340 --> 00:48:28,280
in the coal mines.

1479
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:30,140
And he said, I went on to tell

1480
00:48:30,140 --> 00:48:31,320
him what miracles were being done.

1481
00:48:31,860 --> 00:48:34,240
He said, the General put his finger up.

1482
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:41,080
He said, remember Russell, he said, in the

1483
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,520
very early days, the very first days of

1484
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,260
the salvation, I mean, it was just like

1485
00:48:45,260 --> 00:48:45,440
that.

1486
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:46,900
The glory of the Lord came down.

1487
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:48,240
We're getting too commercial.

1488
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:49,500
We're getting too mechanical.

1489
00:48:50,140 --> 00:48:51,700
We'll have to go back to the glory

1490
00:48:51,700 --> 00:48:55,060
of the Lord in the same way.

1491
00:48:56,260 --> 00:48:58,260
And all the Bible says is pray without

1492
00:48:58,260 --> 00:48:58,660
ceasing.

1493
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,400
It doesn't say preach without ceasing.

1494
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:02,040
It doesn't say do miracles.

1495
00:49:02,220 --> 00:49:02,960
It says pray.

1496
00:49:04,220 --> 00:49:07,320
And somebody may ask me, if I know

1497
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,720
you fellows, well, I'd say, well, I've met

1498
00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:11,320
them, but I don't know anybody.

1499
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:12,500
He said, I've prayed with him.

1500
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:14,400
I don't care who he is.

1501
00:49:15,140 --> 00:49:17,540
And I know some of the outstanding personalities

1502
00:49:17,540 --> 00:49:19,080
in the world today, but I haven't prayed

1503
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:20,220
with them, so I don't know them.

1504
00:49:20,980 --> 00:49:23,420
But once a man opens his heart, and

1505
00:49:23,420 --> 00:49:25,980
it's one thing for us to stand between,

1506
00:49:26,660 --> 00:49:29,500
uh, stand before God on behalf of people.

1507
00:49:29,700 --> 00:49:32,660
It's a great thing to stand before God

1508
00:49:33,260 --> 00:49:35,480
on behalf of people, and stand before God,

1509
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:37,660
and stand before people on behalf of God.

1510
00:49:38,060 --> 00:49:39,520
As I quoted the other day to some

1511
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:43,200
people, uh, what, in about the 34th chapter

1512
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:47,400
of, of Exodus, where Moses had been on

1513
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:49,940
the mountain, and God says, let me alone.

1514
00:49:50,220 --> 00:49:51,800
I said, that's God saying to a man,

1515
00:49:51,900 --> 00:49:52,600
leave me alone.

1516
00:49:54,180 --> 00:49:55,740
I said, did God ever say that to

1517
00:49:55,740 --> 00:49:56,020
you?

1518
00:49:57,260 --> 00:49:58,900
I said, it's wonderful when a man lays

1519
00:49:58,900 --> 00:49:59,620
hold of God.

1520
00:50:00,060 --> 00:50:02,280
It's a wonderful, wonderful thing, in one sense,

1521
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,400
when a man lays hold of God, but

1522
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,680
when God lays hold of a man, and

1523
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:08,560
God says, let me alone, and I'll absolutely

1524
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:09,900
destroy these people.

1525
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:12,120
But I was not there.

1526
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:17,280
John Wesley preached on Romans 8, 16, more

1527
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,320
than anything else, the witness of the Spirit.

1528
00:50:19,740 --> 00:50:21,180
Oh, well, I want the Spirit to bear

1529
00:50:21,180 --> 00:50:21,580
witness.

1530
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:23,000
I'm walking in holiness.

1531
00:50:23,300 --> 00:50:24,480
I want you to bear witness.

1532
00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:25,820
I'm speaking truth.

1533
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:27,180
I want you to, I said, do you

1534
00:50:27,180 --> 00:50:28,380
want to, do you want to borrow his

1535
00:50:28,380 --> 00:50:31,080
language in Romans 9, where Paul said, I

1536
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,300
call the Holy Ghost to bear witness that

1537
00:50:33,300 --> 00:50:34,040
I lie not.

1538
00:50:34,660 --> 00:50:36,060
Can the Holy Ghost bear witness?

1539
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,900
I said, in essence, what Paul says, then

1540
00:50:38,900 --> 00:50:40,740
I'll be damned, if need be, if only

1541
00:50:40,740 --> 00:50:43,100
you'll just render heavens and come down.

1542
00:50:43,500 --> 00:50:45,780
And I said, you get, you keep praying

1543
00:50:45,780 --> 00:50:46,140
again.

1544
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,720
I said, well, 64, for all that thou

1545
00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:50,940
would render heavens and God shoots back, render

1546
00:50:50,940 --> 00:50:52,360
your hearts and not your garments.

1547
00:50:52,820 --> 00:50:54,460
Don't put a one-hour prayer meeting on,

1548
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:55,580
make it a lifestyle.

1549
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:57,960
I used to, I told the deacons, the

1550
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,280
last church I had in England, I said,

1551
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,800
listen, I'll take the church on this condition.

1552
00:51:01,900 --> 00:51:03,840
Number one, that you meet with me at

1553
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,900
least a half hour to 40 minutes before

1554
00:51:05,900 --> 00:51:06,560
every service.

1555
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:09,140
Number two, you abolish offerings, so we don't

1556
00:51:09,140 --> 00:51:11,040
have to beg from the poor people, and

1557
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:12,640
that you meet with me Friday night, nine

1558
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:13,480
o'clock till midnight.

1559
00:51:13,860 --> 00:51:16,320
We did and God turned that church around.

1560
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,600
And I don't know any ministry that's had

1561
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,500
the same time in prayer.

1562
00:51:23,620 --> 00:51:25,300
Have you read, have you read George Burns

1563
00:51:25,300 --> 00:51:25,800
at all?

1564
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:29,700
Well, you read Robert Merrimack?

1565
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:31,440
No, George Burns.

1566
00:51:31,540 --> 00:51:33,100
Have you read Robert Merrimack Shane?

1567
00:51:33,860 --> 00:51:34,260
Yes.

1568
00:51:34,420 --> 00:51:36,660
Well, Merrimack Shane, I stood outside of his

1569
00:51:36,660 --> 00:51:43,740
church in, in, anyhow, it's on the coast

1570
00:51:43,740 --> 00:51:45,020
of Scotland, Aberdeen, Scotland.

1571
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,120
Well, he was a man that prayed and

1572
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,000
wept and prayed and wept and prayed and

1573
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,020
wept until his health went, so he went

1574
00:51:51,020 --> 00:51:51,640
to be a missionary.

1575
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,060
He's a brilliant man in Hebrew, and he

1576
00:51:54,060 --> 00:51:55,920
went and had a rest in what was

1577
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:57,960
Israel then, or Palestine.

1578
00:51:58,660 --> 00:52:00,520
And while he was there, W.C. Burns

1579
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,080
came in the church and the Holy Ghost

1580
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:03,760
was upon him.

1581
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:05,860
Of course, it spent days and weeks in

1582
00:52:05,860 --> 00:52:08,360
prayer, and the whole town was rocked with

1583
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:08,900
the revival.

1584
00:52:09,060 --> 00:52:10,760
The whole city was moved.

1585
00:52:11,860 --> 00:52:13,720
There'd never been revival before or since.

1586
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:15,200
That's how they killed Scythe's revival.

1587
00:52:15,980 --> 00:52:18,860
So, anyhow, W.C. Burns has this tremendous

1588
00:52:18,860 --> 00:52:21,680
move of God, and we would book him

1589
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,200
up for London and book him up for

1590
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:23,700
Manchester.

1591
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:25,260
Oh, the anointing is on him.

1592
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:26,660
Open the way, let the guy go.

1593
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,140
Out of that, God picked that man up,

1594
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:30,900
dear brother, and took him to China and

1595
00:52:30,900 --> 00:52:33,620
dropped him in China, and he died unknown

1596
00:52:33,620 --> 00:52:36,440
from a modern Pentecost.

1597
00:52:37,140 --> 00:52:37,680
Go and pray.

1598
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,740
And he went and prayed and fasted and

1599
00:52:39,740 --> 00:52:40,560
wept in that area.

1600
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:41,460
So, what happened?

1601
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,380
After him, Jonathan Goforth went.

1602
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:50,240
Mrs. Goforth says, they will go to a

1603
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:52,700
meeting in the morning at nine and stand

1604
00:52:52,700 --> 00:52:54,360
and sing and praise God, and they'll still

1605
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:55,820
be praising him at five o'clock.

1606
00:52:55,940 --> 00:52:57,880
Nobody sat down, even though they were tired.

1607
00:52:58,300 --> 00:53:00,300
You go the next day, there'll be no

1608
00:53:00,300 --> 00:53:00,580
singing.

1609
00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:02,000
It will be prayer the whole day.

1610
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:04,220
You go the next day, there's neither singing

1611
00:53:04,220 --> 00:53:06,000
nor prayer the whole day in the quietness,

1612
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:07,960
she said, and in the quietness was more

1613
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:09,820
productive than the other meetings.

1614
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:11,760
I told the people this week, we've forgotten

1615
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:12,860
how to be quiet.

1616
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:14,340
Be still and know that I'm God.

1617
00:53:14,420 --> 00:53:15,800
He's as real as be filled with the

1618
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:16,100
Spirit.

1619
00:53:16,820 --> 00:53:18,380
Anyhow, Jonathan Goforth went.

1620
00:53:18,460 --> 00:53:20,440
The whole ground was broken up and teared,

1621
00:53:21,300 --> 00:53:23,000
tear-stained by W.C. Burns.

1622
00:53:23,620 --> 00:53:24,760
Jonathan Goforth went.

1623
00:53:24,860 --> 00:53:28,980
After him came Watchman Lee, and I don't

1624
00:53:28,980 --> 00:53:31,740
know if you read the life of John

1625
00:53:33,180 --> 00:53:33,580
Sung.

1626
00:53:34,100 --> 00:53:34,820
Have you read his life?

1627
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,620
That's the most fabulous thing I've read outside

1628
00:53:37,620 --> 00:53:38,700
the New Testament, I think.

1629
00:53:39,900 --> 00:53:42,620
Well, I quoted him as being the most

1630
00:53:42,620 --> 00:53:45,360
distinguished scholar, foreign scholar ever came to America.

1631
00:53:45,780 --> 00:53:46,600
He learned English.

1632
00:53:47,260 --> 00:53:49,840
He learned German and did his PhD in

1633
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:50,180
German.

1634
00:53:50,500 --> 00:53:52,800
He took his BA degree, his MA degree,

1635
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:58,820
learned a new language, took his doctorate in

1636
00:53:58,820 --> 00:53:59,880
three and a half years.

1637
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:05,880
And finally, he went to Union Theological Seminary

1638
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:06,600
in New York.

1639
00:54:07,260 --> 00:54:08,680
And when he was there, a young man

1640
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,200
said to him, you look more like a

1641
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,120
preacher than like a scientist.

1642
00:54:12,340 --> 00:54:14,760
Well, five different nations begged him to come

1643
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:18,000
on their payroll and be their leader in

1644
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,780
nuclear fission, even those years ago, and he

1645
00:54:20,780 --> 00:54:21,480
refused them.

1646
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,880
Well, to cut a long story short, one

1647
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:24,680
night he knelt down.

1648
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:25,980
He said, well, Lord, my dad is a

1649
00:54:25,980 --> 00:54:28,440
Methodist preacher, and I'm not born again.

1650
00:54:28,500 --> 00:54:29,320
I don't know God.

1651
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:31,300
And right there, God came upon him.

1652
00:54:31,640 --> 00:54:34,060
He jumped up, opened the door, ran down

1653
00:54:34,060 --> 00:54:36,600
the corridor in Union Theological Seminary, like the

1654
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,480
one in Acts 3, leaping and praising God.

1655
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,540
The next day, they certified him insane and

1656
00:54:40,540 --> 00:54:44,660
put him in the white, in a institution.

1657
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:46,700
And there the Lord said to him, I

1658
00:54:46,700 --> 00:54:50,100
can get you out of here, but stay

1659
00:54:50,100 --> 00:54:52,800
here, I'll forget the number, like 195 days,

1660
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:53,820
I'll teach you my way.

1661
00:54:53,940 --> 00:54:55,640
And he learned, dear brother, how to analyze

1662
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,560
a chapter eight different ways.

1663
00:54:58,200 --> 00:54:59,500
And then he went back to China.

1664
00:54:59,720 --> 00:55:02,120
He threw all his diplomas overboard in the

1665
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,960
China Sea, and he began his ministry, married

1666
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,820
the girl that the neighbor had said they'd

1667
00:55:08,820 --> 00:55:09,760
marry when they were kids.

1668
00:55:10,300 --> 00:55:11,580
To cut a long story short, I was

1669
00:55:11,580 --> 00:55:13,220
preaching in a meeting, and I quoted the

1670
00:55:13,220 --> 00:55:13,540
story.

1671
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,720
And a big oversized woman at the organ,

1672
00:55:15,940 --> 00:55:17,600
and she'd been playing, and tears rolling down

1673
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:18,020
her face.

1674
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,460
So afterwards, she said, well, that was a

1675
00:55:20,460 --> 00:55:21,540
lovely meeting.

1676
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:23,060
I said, I noticed you were weeping.

1677
00:55:23,180 --> 00:55:28,880
I said, that story of John Sung, did

1678
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:29,620
you hear it before?

1679
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:31,060
She said, no, Mr. Ray, I used to

1680
00:55:31,060 --> 00:55:34,400
play in his meetings in revival in China.

1681
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:37,100
I said, well, did I exaggerate?

1682
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,080
She said, you couldn't exaggerate that man, doesn't

1683
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:39,780
know what you're saying.

1684
00:55:40,380 --> 00:55:41,580
But she said, I'll tell you one thing,

1685
00:55:42,260 --> 00:55:45,700
that I went after he died, and he

1686
00:55:45,700 --> 00:55:46,560
died as a young man.

1687
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:47,780
He died of tuberculosis.

1688
00:55:48,380 --> 00:55:49,680
She said, he would come from a meeting

1689
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,520
at night, and he never did like the

1690
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:52,980
others.

1691
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:54,600
He didn't get western clothes, and he wanted

1692
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:56,280
an American jacket and a white shirt.

1693
00:55:56,620 --> 00:55:59,100
He just had a fitted tie on his

1694
00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:00,480
shoulder, and a lock of hair that fell

1695
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:00,680
down.

1696
00:56:01,140 --> 00:56:03,320
And she said, he stayed in the home

1697
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:07,200
of a friend of mine, and he would

1698
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,840
leave a half door open, you know, to

1699
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:10,500
get the air.

1700
00:56:11,020 --> 00:56:12,300
And she said, he would come in after

1701
00:56:12,300 --> 00:56:13,980
the meeting, and his shirt sticking to his

1702
00:56:13,980 --> 00:56:15,580
back, and he would be heeding like a

1703
00:56:15,580 --> 00:56:15,860
dog.

1704
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,080
And this lady said to her after, you

1705
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:19,600
know, of all the preachers I've ever had

1706
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:21,600
in this country, I've never seen a man

1707
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:22,520
like John Sung.

1708
00:56:22,620 --> 00:56:24,580
He lives and moves as his being in

1709
00:56:24,580 --> 00:56:24,940
God.

1710
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:26,760
And she said, he comes home every night

1711
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:30,180
sobbing and weeping, and his shirt stuck to

1712
00:56:30,180 --> 00:56:30,660
his back.

1713
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,060
And she said, one scripture only leaps to

1714
00:56:33,060 --> 00:56:35,160
my mind when I see him.

1715
00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:36,060
She said, what's that?

1716
00:56:36,300 --> 00:56:38,320
This is my body, which is broken for

1717
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:38,620
you.

1718
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:40,920
And she said, that was where he lived.

1719
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:42,480
He didn't tell other people who lived there,

1720
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,200
but he lived economically, and he lived all

1721
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:45,580
the time.

1722
00:56:45,660 --> 00:56:49,540
Well, his book is written, Tan Inman Mission

1723
00:56:49,540 --> 00:56:52,100
published it, and if you see it, buy

1724
00:56:52,100 --> 00:56:52,240
it.

1725
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:53,540
It's worth a thousand dollars.

1726
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:57,960
I mean, I've tried to contact men that

1727
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,760
like that have lived moving out there, being

1728
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:00,100
in God.

1729
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:00,780
They have theories.

1730
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:01,920
There's all kinds of theory.

1731
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:04,120
In fact, right now, I should be in

1732
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,620
Australia with a team that will go on

1733
00:57:06,620 --> 00:57:08,160
to Hong Kong and China and everywhere.

1734
00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:10,200
But the thing is, there's a hunger now.

1735
00:57:10,820 --> 00:57:12,480
Young men in this country have never seen

1736
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:12,960
revival.

1737
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,240
They never see meetings that go until two

1738
00:57:15,240 --> 00:57:16,200
or three in the morning.

1739
00:57:16,740 --> 00:57:19,340
People that won't go home, or if they

1740
00:57:19,340 --> 00:57:20,540
do go home, say, I can't eat.

1741
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:21,800
I can't turn on my TV.

1742
00:57:22,180 --> 00:57:23,420
I'm so hungry for God.

1743
00:57:23,700 --> 00:57:25,480
I'm so tired of my neighbor's going to

1744
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:25,740
hell.

1745
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,800
You've been listening to the From the Pulpit

1746
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:30,160
in Classic Sermon series.

1747
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:33,140
This week, you heard Leonard Ravenhill with his

1748
00:57:33,140 --> 00:57:35,880
message, A Man of God, Part One.

1749
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:38,600
Tune in next week to hear Part Two

1750
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,420
of A Man of God with Leonard Ravenhill

1751
00:57:41,420 --> 00:57:43,760
on the From the Pulpit in Classic Sermon

1752
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:44,040
series.