Yeah, I went to Jimmy Swaggart's the first,
first day there I felt about as free
as a man trying to swim in a
pool of molasses.
And that's pretty sticky, isn't it?
But God is merciful.
I preached that message around the world.
I preached it a hundred or two hundred
times.
Never had a worse time.
It was terrible.
And the amplifying, or what do you call
it, the PA system wasn't working, this side
of the church couldn't hear.
When David was there, the tide rolled in.
When I got there, it had gone, I
was left on the beach all by myself.
But the second day, God came.
And when his glory fills a temple, it's
indescribable.
I've ceased making altar calls while we sing.
I believe that the basis of your life
and mine is in our will.
I said, here's the altar, it's for two
things, for sacrifice or death.
If you don't want to die, don't come.
If you do come, and the whole place
broke up and dozens and dozens came and
stayed and prayed, we understand.
So thank you for praying.
We're going to look at Romans chapter 8.
Until January of this year, I got a
free copy, and I liked it because it
was free, a free copy of the New
York Times book review.
It's a very classic kind of thing, it's
supposed to be the best in the world,
and it gives, obviously, reviews of books.
I liked it sometimes, it saved time, other
times it wasted time.
There's a criticism in that paper made about
three years ago that fascinated me, humbled me.
The man had been reviewing a book, a
Christian book, or a book by a preacher
anyhow.
And he said this, he said, the trouble
with the preachers today is that they've lost
sight of the awesome beauty and thrilling majesty
of the gospel.
I feel I'd like to put that in
every Bible school, in every seminary.
We've lost sight of the awesome beauty and
thrilling majesty of the gospel.
Samuel Taylor Coleridge was born in 1773, he
died in 1834.
He was a great literary critic too, but
he said of all the readings that he
had made, and he had read thousands of
books in different languages, he'd read the Koran
and the Vedas and the Christian books, but
he said the most sublime thing that was
ever written was the Epistle of Paul to
the Romans.
When I first came to America, my first
trip was in 1950, at that time there
was a genius by the name of Wilbur
Smith, he was the man who checked all
the Christian books and wrote reviews on them.
He was in Moody, and from Moody, when
he forgot to be Moody, he went over
to, what's the other school in the West
there?
Full of seminary, but he was a genius
at analyzing books.
Well, he said if Samuel Taylor Coleridge made
a correct judgment of the Epistle to the
Romans, it's the most sublime thing ever written.
The eighth chapter is the most sublime thing
in the sublime thing.
Again, it is the majesty of the Holy
Spirit of God.
In the Epistle to the Romans, there are
26 references to the Holy Spirit.
18 of them are in this, that's 26
in Romans, 18 of them are in this
one chapter of Romans 8.
I was turning over in my mind about
half past two this morning doing some meditating,
a bit of writing, praying, I thought of
a hymn written over a hundred years ago
in England by a man by the name
of Thomas Binney, not Finney, Binney.
It's a gorgeous hymn, I'd never seen it
in a hymn book in America, I wish
we could learn it.
It starts with eternal light, eternal light, how
pure the soul must be.
When placed within thy searching sight it shrinks
not, but with calm delights can live and
look on thee.
The spirits that surround thy throne, as you
get them in the sixth chapter again of
Isaiah, the spirits that surround thy throne may
bear that burning bliss, but remember with two
of their wings they've filtered the glory and
majesty of God, they couldn't gaze upon him,
and it was Jesus Christ, it says in
the twelfth chapter of John, that was on
that throne.
They filtered the blazing light, the immaculate glory
of God through their wings, otherwise they would
have been blinded.
They covered themselves with two of their wings
because while they couldn't bear to look upon
him, they couldn't bear him to look upon
them.
You know, I'm praying, almost said dreaming by
the day, there'll be such a searching of
God going on in the next, I was
going to say year or two, as long
as the Lord leaves us around, that people
will come to this place with their spiritual
infirmities and spiritual needs, like they go down
to the Mayo Clinic.
I remember being in a plane and an
old man staggered in.
His son sat next to me and he
said, there's my dad, I'm sorry they held
the plane up.
We're going to the Mayo Clinic, it's the
only place in the world where my daddy
can get deliverance.
We're wealthy, we're Jewish, we've everything we need
except health for my daddy, and we've come,
I don't know how many thousands of miles.
The Mayo Clinic is a magnet, it draws
us, it's our only hope.
Here is deliverance or there's no deliverance.
I pray, I'm not conceited, I pray for
the glory of God that people who are
spiritually incurable anywhere else will find deliverance here.
People that are being cast away spiritually, broken
-hearted, maybe broken-minded ministers, will know that
there's something which seems to be exclusively the
work of God here.
Otherwise, why are we here?
I was rude enough to say in Jimmy
Swaggart's place, and I think he was sitting
in the gallery then, I said, if you're
a carbon copy of every other, what's the
other place, Springfield, if you're a carbon copy
of Springfield, or if you're a carbon copy
of Christ for the nations, you shouldn't exist.
Over the dinner table, he said, you're right,
Brother Ravenhill, if we don't have a distinct
mark, we shouldn't exist.
I said, you shouldn't.
I didn't know whether he wanted sympathy, if
he did, he didn't get it anyhow.
I believe God wants, I'm not just selfish
for here, I told Brother Crum up there,
well, he came to my house, and I
said, if the fire falls up there, we
will rejoice as much as if it falls
here.
I doubt if there's any other small community
in Texas, if not America, which is as
much soaked in prayer, and tears, and travel
as this community.
From here to Lindale, and just around, maybe
about a 10 or 20 mile circle, the
glory of God is laid up for us.
And all he's waiting is for us to
open up.
And when we open up, the Word will
open up, and the heavens will open up.
This again is a glorious chapter.
The great Augustine said, if I could have
three phases of history replayed, if I could
witness three phases of history, here's my choice.
Number one, I would like to have seen
Jesus Christ in the flesh.
Number two, I would like to have seen
one of the Caesars sweeping down the Appian
Way with his fiery chariot, with the crowds
on either side yelling for Caesar, and he
had all his captives chained to the wheels
of his chariot.
Number one, Jesus Christ.
Number two, see a Caesar sweeping down into
Rome with all his captives chained up behind
him.
And number three, he said, I would like
to have heard the Apostle Paul preach.
Well, so would I.
Would you, David?
What an amazing man he is.
He was born in the ancient capital of
the world, Tarsus.
He finished up in the military capital of
the world, Rome.
In between, he went to the intellectual capital
of the world, Athens, in the 17th of
the Acts of the Apostles.
He went to the religious capital of the
world, Jerusalem, and he went to the corrupt
capital of the world, Corinth.
He's an amazing man.
He has an unblemished record.
As Kipling would say, Kipling speaks of a
character who once put on his seven-league
boots.
He had a marvelous introduction.
Peter said to me, don't tell young people
they have to take up their cross, but
it's God's condition.
Paul says to Ananias, go to that man
in that situation, on that place, on the
road to Damascus, and tell him not what
he must suffer, but what great things he
must suffer for my name.
That's bad psychology.
Why do you start him off?
Tell him he's heading for tribulation and distress
and prisons and all the rest of it.
I say he's an amazing man.
He put on his seven-league boots and
he strode over Asia Minor.
Look at his three outstanding missionary journeys.
Not only that, he did what no one
else has done except a friend of mine.
I don't believe him.
He went to heaven for his vacation.
Now, don't look so incredulous.
It says it in the book.
He was caught up into the third heaven.
He was known on earth.
He was known on heaven.
He was known in hell.
David, I hope your name and mine.
If the devil has ten most wanted men
in America, I hope Dave Wilkinson and I
are on the list.
I think it's the greatest thing in the
world.
The devil has to take recognition.
It's not the easiest.
It's the greatest.
We've no right to exist if we're going
to be a mediocre church, if we're going
to be a sample or a copy of
somebody else.
Not that we're seeking originality.
We're seeking an answer to the situation.
And the answer for America is N.O
.T. Not in the White House.
It's in God's house.
If you take all the hellish things you
can think of, humanism, Romanism, the Adventisms, Moonism
and Humanism, and put them all in one
big ball, all together they cannot stop the
progress of the Church of Jesus Christ.
The hindrance to the Church is in the
Church.
An unsanctified Church, an impure Church.
I'd better tell you what this chapter says.
Remember how it begins?
You must do.
I only got one applause.
David gets lots of them.
I got one applause from those students.
That's when I said, I'm going to read
from the Living Bible, the King James Version
and the other part.
I've got to get one somehow.
It begins with what?
There is therefore now no condemnation.
And it ends with what?
There is no separation.
No condemnation at the beginning, no separation at
the end.
But it doesn't say there's no tribulation.
In fact, it lays it all up.
It stacks it up in between.
There is therefore now no condemnation.
Jump down over to verse 34.
Who is he that condemneth?
It is Christ that died, yea rather that
is risen again.
You know, the supreme operation of the Holy
Ghost in these closing minutes, not closing days
or closing hours, closing minutes of this dispensation,
the operation of the Holy Ghost today is
not to make me an eloquent preacher or
give me gifts of the Spirit as such.
The supreme office of the Holy Spirit is
to glorify Jesus.
Just glorify him.
To focus the eyes of the Church of
the Living God on the resurrected Jesus, the
enthroned Jesus.
There remains no more sacrifice for sin.
Every other sacrifice is false.
I remind you of the students again that
while I tried to preach and pray and
practice and promote prayer for 60 years, I
realized a couple of years ago there's one
supreme thing greater than prayer and that is
worship.
My sweet little, I was going to say
granddaughter, she's not my granddaughter.
Paul's wife when she was here said there's
no prayer in heaven and she's right.
I've said that often.
There is, there's one prayer being going on
for 2,000 years in heaven.
Jesus ever liveth to make intercession for us.
Worship is so awesome the devil said if
you'll kneel down here, just one second, immediately
you yield, you acknowledge your inferiority.
Acknowledge the superiority of the person to who
you kneel.
You fall down.
I give you all the kingdoms of this
world.
He didn't mean the real estate because Jesus
made them.
He wanted to give him the religious system
of the world which was the mightiest with
the Jews.
He offered him the military majesty of the
world which at that time was awesome because
50 years before Jesus was born, the Romans
had come all the way from Rome and
established cities like Bath in England where we
used to live.
It was established in 55 BC.
Fall down and worship me.
It's so awesome that it's the occupation in
heaven.
It says in Hebrews 1, let the angels
of God worship him.
I said this week in the message, you
know, right now is your time and mine
to mature.
There'll be no maturity after we get to
heaven.
I don't believe at all.
There'll be revelation.
All that's going to be done is being
done now.
God is forming my character now.
I'm forming my character now.
Every day by my obedience I'm threading my
garment to be worn there at the marriage
supper of the Lamb.
We sing Calpas hymn, the dying thief rejoiced
to see that fountain in his day.
And there have I, I don't like to
sing there may I, I sing, there have
I, though vile as he, washed all my
sins away.
The dying thief rejoiced to see the fountain
in his day.
There have I, though vile as he, washed
all my sins away.
There's a fountain open now for sin and
for uncleanness.
Okay, let's look again here at this 8th
chapter.
There's no condemnation.
One of the favorite verses of John Wesley,
I must quote Wesley of course, is a
16th verse.
The spirit itself, now that's a very bad
translation.
The spirit is not in itself.
He's not neuter.
He's a person.
I think we could change that verse we
sang now David.
Let it breathe.
No, it, let him breathe on me.
Let him breathe on me.
Let the love of God now breathe.
The spirit itself, the spirit himself, beareth witness
with our spirit that we're the children of
God.
How does he bear witness?
Well, if we're unsaved, he bears witness with
guilt, condemnation, fear of death, fear of man,
fear of being exposed to my past record.
He's faithful.
I think at this moment, I could be
wrong.
I'm not usually wrong, but anyhow, I could
be wrong.
I think right now the least emphasized ministry
of the Holy Spirit of God is that
he brings conviction.
We're asking people to come to the altar
who have no conviction.
They don't realize that while they may not
be bad, they're dead.
The first argument with God, of God with
a man, is not that he's bad.
It's that he's dead in trespasses and in
sin.
He doesn't have to do any violent sins.
Why did Adam get thrown out of the
Garden of Eden?
He didn't commit adultery.
He didn't steal something.
His wife did and shared it, but anyhow,
they were in trouble.
But, what did he do?
He said, I run my life and not
God.
And the greatest sin in the world is
to be of self enthroned on the heart.
Skipping over to that verse again.
In verse 34, verse 1 says, there is
no condemnation.
Verse 34 says, who is he that condemneth?
Now notice the who's there.
In verse 34, who shall anything to the
charge of God's elect?
That's 33.
Who is he that condemneth?
It is Christ that died.
Go back to verse 31.
Well then, shall we say to these things,
if God be for us, who can be
against us?
It is Christ that died.
Can his substitutionary death be contested?
It is Christ that liveth make intercession for
us.
Can we contest that?
Who sitteth at the right hand of God,
can his sovereign to be contested?
The verse I want to latch on to
actually, in the time I have, we're a
bit late, it's not altogether our fault.
Verse 37, nay, in all these things, we
are more than conquerors through him that loved
us.
In all these things, we are more than
conquerors through him that loves us.
The seventh chapter of Romans is the chapter
of gloom.
The eighth chapter is the chapter of glory.
The man in Romans 7 is a victim.
The man in Romans 8 is a victor.
The man in Romans 7 is self-centered.
The man in Romans 8 is Christ-centered.
Is there a bigger sweep in all our
theology than Romans 7, where he says, it
is Christ that dwelleth in me.
Pardon me, it is sin that dwelleth in
me.
And in the next verse, he says, it
is Christ that dwelleth in me.
Who worked the revolution?
How is it this man is happy, consoled,
that there is therefore now no condemnation.
If the Lord isn't condemning us, bringing condemnation
by fear, condemnation by guilt, condemnation by a
conscience that feels as though he's got a
burning cinder inside of there.
He doesn't always witness with joy bells.
He witnesses with his peace.
Peace, peace, it's the most needed thing in
the world.
In the last hundred years, there have been
more than 8,000 peace treaties made in
amongst all the nations of the world.
And we've less peace now than we ever
had.
We have the answer in the Prince of
Peace.
We have the answer in the greatest sermon
ever preached by the greatest man that ever
lived, and that, of course, is the Sermon
on the Mount.
It contains all the answers to those things
David talked about this morning, which are disrupting
families.
Basically, what's the problem?
In America or any other country?
Basically, the problem is we can't live with
each other.
It's the problem of human relationships.
They're all answered in the fifth chapter of
Matthew there, in the marvelous Sermon on the
Mount.
There's no more sacrifice for sins.
There's no other program that will work.
The other week, I mentioned this amazing man,
Paul.
He's my favorite after Jesus.
I said, remember his life.
It was an expensive life, because he said,
he had to forfeit everything.
I laid all down that I had, he
said.
It was an expensive life.
It cost him everything.
It was an extensive life, because we're reading
his epistles today.
It was an explicit life, because he said,
this one thing I do.
He never deviated.
He never had a second string to his
fiddle.
We had a man in our church.
We had an orchestra in the church in
Bolton, England.
A number of wonderful instruments.
One man had an old one-string fiddle.
He could get more out of that thing
than the other's guy could out of four
strings or anything else.
He was a genius with it.
Paul says this one thing.
He was…
I believe, again, that Paul is the consummate
example of a sanctified man.
He has peace that passeth understanding.
I like his peace.
I like his power.
He could raise the dead.
I'm not so sure I'd like the prisons
that he lived in, but it's all in
the deal.
I like his poise.
None of these things move me.
I think that's an awesome thing for him
to say.
Where did he say that?
I think in the twentieth chapter of the
Acts of the Apostles.
I think it's in that chapter.
I can't just mark it.
But remember, he had got some information, not
by a vision, not by a dream, not
by another prophet.
He said, the Holy Ghost tells me that
ahead of me there's tribulation and distress, but
none of these things move me.
Why is he so positive?
He not only has peace, he not only
has power, he's positive.
He's prophetic.
None of these things are going to move
me.
Now, notice what he said.
People say, if you get filled with the
Spirit, you know, oh, your feelings will never
get hurt, everything.
But he doesn't say, none of these things
hurt me.
He says, none of these things move me.
They may have been carving him up on
the inside.
Do you think it's wonderful to get a
group of Spirit-filled men and every one
of them quits?
He says, all men forsook me, nevertheless the
Lord stood by me.
You know, we pray and ask God to
do this, and God is wanting to pull
the props away, and we won't let him
do it.
And therefore, he can't reveal himself further to
us, because we're leaning on so much flesh,
so much human ability, so much human organization.
This was totally void in the life of
the Apostle Paul.
The Acts 20, 24.
The Holy Spirit says that bonds and afflictions
are ahead of me.
Now, what do you do with this verse,
here in Romans 8, 37?
It goes beyond the bound of logic, doesn't
it?
I think it does.
I don't know too much about logic.
But I know what he says here.
In all these things, we are more than
conquerors.
Isn't that beyond the bounds of logic?
How can you be more than a conqueror?
Well, you can triumph and still have a
margin of strength left.
But we're no more than conquerors on the
basis of a strong theology or a strong
history.
I was so blessed, I mean, I spoke
twice during the Easter period on the road
to Emmaus.
That was the most marvelous Bible school in
the world.
And yet, Jesus never touched prophecy.
Why didn't he take the veil off and
say to these disciples, this is going to
happen, this is going to happen?
He didn't do that.
He went to history.
And beginning with Moses, he traced everything concerning
himself.
This book is supremely about Jesus Christ.
The church exists to glorify the Lord Jesus.
The Holy Ghost exists to energize the church.
But here, then, he says, in all these
things.
You know, he's got a lot to say
about things in this chapter.
He said in verse 31, what do we
say, then, to these things?
If God before us, who can be against
us?
Come on.
If I have the resources of the eternal
God, I should not be intimidated by the
devil or circumstances or criticism or anything.
God is for me.
Does it matter if principalities and powers are
against me, as Paul says there?
God is for me.
Sure, I run into roadblocks sometimes.
In fact, when I left Jimmy Swagger's that
first day, oh, I should have stayed at
home.
I was miserable.
But the next day, young men met me
in the foyer of the place and said,
you know, that was so moving.
God so spoke to me.
I thought, well, I said, thank you, thank
you, thank you.
And you know, everyone that came was a
man, no women.
Not that there's anything wrong with them.
I told them if I ran that school,
I wouldn't let men and women sit together,
and I wouldn't.
I'd get so distracted, squeezing hands and nudging
and trying to peck the girl's cheek.
One guy did it till he got me
to the edge.
I nearly, but I exercised my patience.
I said, I went to a Bible school
with 35 students and no girls.
They're too distracting.
Of course, some of you got your wives
there, so now you'll discredit me, but anyhow.
You know, it's not easy, really.
In one sense it is.
If you're totally in love, you've no eyes
for anybody else.
No woman in the world could allow me
for my darling wife, she'd been a wonderful
wife for 46 years.
She has no rival.
Jesus Christ has no rival in my life.
Isn't that true, David, in your life?
I'm consumed with Him, with His love, with
His will, with His purpose.
Time is running out on us.
If we don't have a Holy Ghost revival,
America will be dead in 10 years.
Some of the most dreadful things, unimaginable things
are going to happen.
So, verse 31 says that, what should we
say then to these things?
If God be for us, who can be
against us?
In the next verse, who shall lay anything
to the charge of God's elect?
It is God that justifies.
Who is He that condemneth?
It is Christ that died.
You know, if you were to vote me,
the greatest Christian in the world, the Lord
wouldn't say, I hadn't noticed that I had
ravening away down there, about 350 millions down
on the list, but everybody votes Jesus.
I've changed my mind about Him.
The only person who can change God's mind
about me is me.
If you're criticized and slandered and ridiculed, God
will not take any notice of gossip except
to criticize it.
He won't change His value of David because
when His new book comes out, He's going
to get blasted north, south, east and west,
and tribulations coming and trials and everything.
So what?
God motivated.
It is God who is for us.
And if He's for us, how many, was
it two-thirds of the heavenly host that
fell?
One-third, one-third.
So, I've got two-thirds on my side.
I've got the Father on my side.
I've got the Son on my side.
I've got the Holy Ghost on my side,
and two-thirds of the heavenly host, and
the saints of God, and all the promises
of God.
What do you think I'm going to do?
Sit down and cry?
Come on, you may never be a billionaire.
I've struggled to get my first million, and
the first billion.
How are you getting on, Dave?
Okay, but I want to be a billionaire
spiritually.
It says here that we're heirs of God
and joint heirs with Jesus.
Was Jesus ever defeated?
Never.
Again, why does this man say this?
In all these things, who says it?
Is it an exaggeration?
Is it an overstatement?
Or is it some reckless young evangelist saying,
you know, in all these things, a man
with no experience, a man with no trials?
When you go home again, read through the
chapter and find how many times he emphasizes
the work of the Holy Spirit.
This is not the voice of a rookie.
There's a poem.
I don't know where it is.
If you do, will you tell me afterwards?
There's a poem that has a phrase in
it, My head is bloodied but unbowed.
Remember that?
Anybody?
No?
You're as ignorant as me.
My head is bloody but unbowed.
My head's dry, but there's no water.
It's all right.
It doesn't matter.
I'll get through it.
Thank you.
The man who writes this epistle could truly
say, My head is bloodied but unbowed.
He's the most beaten, persecuted, opposed, none in
the world.
Why?
Because he's ravaging the devil's kingdom.
Wherever he went, he had a revival or
he had a revolution.
We have neither, it seems.
His head is bloodied, but he's writing out
of wrong experience.
He says, Nay, in all these things we
are more than conquerors.
What things?
Well, a text is supposed to be interpreted
from the context, which is the words that
go before it and after it.
In all these things, what things?
I'll tell you what things.
Verse 35, Who shall separate us from the
love of Christ?
Tribulation, distress, persecution, famine, nakedness, wretchedness, peril, or
sword.
For thy sake, for thy sake, we are
increasing in prosperity every day.
Oh, I'm sorry.
It's the wrong version there.
For thy sake, we are killed all the
day long.
It's not one flashing thing.
Persecution is his nearest companion.
Persecution is his birthright in Jesus Christ.
He recognizes that he's going the narrow way.
Everybody on the broad way is going to
persecute him, find every reason to try and
turn his feet out of the way.
Listen to what he says.
In all these things, what things?
Let me read something to you here.
In 2 Corinthians 10, 24.
In all these things, what things, Paul?
Of the Jews, five times received thy forty
stripes, save one.
Five forties are two hundred, minus five is
a hundred ninety-five, with a licked as
life.
If he pulled his toga down, his back
was like a plowed field.
It was raw.
It was raged.
They had at the end of those five
or ten lashes, sometimes there were ten, they
had a spike of copper, and that's more
painful even than steel, and they ripped his
back a hundred and ninety-five times.
What's wrong with the man?
He says, I glory in what?
Success.
I glory in the fact I've written more
epistles than anybody else.
I've traveled more miles than anybody else.
No, no, he doesn't say that at all.
That's all of God.
He says, I glory in tribulation, in necessities,
in reproaches.
Is there a philosophy in the world, a
religion in the world that does that?
We run away from those things.
The very things that would make us, that
give us character, prunus, and take all the
surplus fat off us spiritually.
Of the Jews received I forty stripes, say
one.
Three times I was beaten with rods, once
I was stoned, three times I suffered shipwreck,
a night and a day I've been in
a deep, thirty-six hours in the deep.
In journeyings often, in perils of waters, perils
of robbers, perils of mine own countrymen, perils
of the heathen, perils in the city, perils
in the wilderness, in perils in the sea,
in weariness, in painfulness, in watchings often, in
hunger and thirst, in fastings often, in cold
and nakedness.
Boy, he just about exhausted the whole list,
doesn't he?
Then you go back into chapter four and
read something else about this incredibly indestructible man.
Chapter four, verse seventeen.
What does he say?
He's ridiculous.
This man is associated with tears and travail.
I've read his list of sufferings, weariness, fastings,
painfulness, three days, thirty-six hours in the
deep, thrice I was stoned, thrice I suffered
shipwreck, and under ninety-five is the bottom
line, as we say these days.
I think the angels must rejoice over this.
Our light affliction, which is but for...
What?
You must have miscalculated, Paul.
Light affliction?
You've gone through enough to wipe out a
whole church congregation, never mind yourself.
He says, our light affliction, which is but
for a moment, worketh for us a far
more exceeding and eternal weight of glory.
We look not at the things which are
seen.
See, that's the whole trouble.
Our present generation of Christians, we're mesmerized by
materialism.
We're earthbound.
We value like everybody else, almost.
Value property, value everything as they do.
In God's name, what are we doing?
We look not at the things which are
seen, but at the things which are not
seen.
For the things which are seen are temporal.
You don't stay hanging on a piece of
wood in the Mediterranean forever.
You're there thirty-six hours, it feels like
forever, but it's going to pass.
Like somebody asking an old lady, what's your
favorite scripture?
She said, it came to pass.
And the pastor said it what?
It came to pass.
I didn't get that at college.
What do you mean it came to pass?
When trouble comes, you say, it came to
pass.
That's good.
Better than the Greek.
For the trouble is we settle down.
Why do we get heavy?
Because we brood over our difficulties.
We brood over our...
If we brooded, as David said this morning,
if we brooded over our joys, if I
brooded over the fact that the hill of
Zion, as Isaac Watts says, even now, the
hill of Zion yields a thousand sacred sweets
before we reach the heavenly field.
Who has a companion that never needs them?
I say Romans chapter seven, the man in
Romans seven says he's suffering from the indwelling
sin.
I sometimes think that the best agents the
devil has in this world are preachers.
They say, you know, Romans seven was where
the apostles stopped.
It's not.
It happens to be there's a chapter called
Romans eight.
Well, while you're in the flesh, you cannot
please God.
Where did it say that?
Well, it says that in Romans, Romans eight
one, there is no condemnation to them which
are in Christ Jesus who walk not out
of the flesh, but out of the spirit.
For the law of the spirit of life
in Christ Jesus has made me free from
the law of sin and death.
Previously, he says that we're in the flesh
in chapter seven.
They that are in the flesh cannot please
God.
And he follows it here by saying, but
you're not in the flesh, but in the
spirit.
And the Holy Ghost is given in the
fourth verse that the righteousness of the law,
people say the righteousness of the law is
past.
It isn't.
We've got to keep the law.
The best thing you can tell young people
is the Ten Commandments don't matter for today.
God says they do.
The ceremonial law of the Jewish past, we
don't have to keep it.
The moral law, we have to keep.
God sending what the law could not do
in that it was weak through the flesh.
God sending his son, so Jesus Christ has
been sent.
In the likeness of sinful flesh, so Jesus
Christ has been seen.
That the righteousness of the law of God
might be fulfilled in us who walk not
after the flesh, but after the spirit.
For they that are after the flesh mind
the things of the flesh.
They that are after the flesh, the spirit,
the things of the spirit.
Let me emphasize another verse here.
Verse 13 says, if ye live after the
flesh ye shall die, but if ye through
the spirit, I can do it by myself,
but if by the spirit I mortify the
deeds of the flesh, he'll keep things under
control.
I have a right to eat, I've no
right to be a glutton.
I have a right to sleep, I've no
right to be lazy.
I have a right to expect adversity, I
have no right to buckle underneath them.
If ye mortify the deeds of the of
the body ye shall live.
And then as many as are led by
the spirit of God.
The spirit bears witness.
The dear Quakers, I have to look at
the day when I talk about Quakers.
The Quakers used to talk about an authentic
stop in the spirit.
You're going to do something and suddenly the
Lord says no.
He doesn't owe me any explanations.
All he has for me is obedience.
Not that I understand what he's doing.
I get an authentic stop in the spirit.
I can't do it for no philosophical reason,
for no moral reason.
It's just that God says no.
And if he says no, who am I
to say yes?
If he says stop, who am I to
go?
You might have seen Paul going down the
road.
You say, Paul, I hear you had a
great revival.
I'm going to Bithynia now.
Oh, it's a rotten, corrupt, evil place.
Somebody says six months after, you know what?
I wonder if Paul got killed on that
trip to Bithynia.
He didn't go to Bithynia.
Told me he was going.
I gave him some traveling expenses.
He didn't.
Where did he go?
Oh, he's over in Macedonia and other parts
of the world.
Why?
The spirit of God stopped him on the
way.
What would have happened if he'd gone the
other way?
Supposing God had sent the ambassadors to India.
They say St. Thomas went there.
We were in total darkness like these other
countries are over in other areas of the
world, Japan and China and elsewhere.
God directed the message of God this way
because he knew in his foreknowledge what was
possible through the agencies here.
Verse 15 says, You have not received the
spirit of bondage again unto fear, but received
the spirit of adoption.
I love that word, adoption.
I told him our little boy in England
was going to a private school.
He always had money when the other boys
were broken, broke.
He'd come around with his candy, give them
a dollar.
He always had something to spare, a pair
of shoes, socks.
One boy said to me one day, oh
you, you come to school in the Rolls
-Royce, your father's wealthy.
Do you know what?
The little boy said no.
The man you've been calling your daddy for
the last 10 years is not your daddy.
He said, you say that again, I'll give
you a bloody nose.
He said, it won't alter it, he's not
your daddy.
When the boy went home, the Rolls-Royce
pulled up before this awesome mansion.
The little boy ran into his daddy's library
and daddy says, oh I've got you that
Christmas gift.
I got you that little white pony you
needed.
The boy would not go to his daddy.
What's wrong?
I want to ask you a question, daddy.
Ask it, are you my daddy?
Am I your daddy?
Why do you ask?
A boy at school says you're not my
daddy.
Are you my daddy?
Come here, he said, sat him on his
knees, said, you see out there, you see
that, that village?
You see all the smoking chimneys?
I own every one of those mills.
I own most of the property.
I own hundreds of acres.
The yacht that we have our vacations on
belongs to me.
The Rolls-Royce belongs to me.
This mansion belongs to me.
Let me tell you something.
Your daddy and mummy were killed in an
air raid in Liverpool.
You were picked up, they picked children up
every night after the bombing, in trucks, dozens
of them, homeless, forgotten, unclaimed.
And he said, you were picked up with
one of the trucks and they took you
to an orphanage.
And mummy and I were told by the
doctor we couldn't have any children, so we
decided that we would go and choose a
boy.
And we had 500 boys to choose from.
We got them down to 15 and then
we got them down to five.
And mummy, I said, let's take the five,
we've enough money to run the orphanage.
Mother said, what?
Start with five boys?
Oh, come on, no, no.
Well, let's ask some advice.
So they asked advice and finally they took
this boy.
Now he said, that's what happened.
That little boy made you cry.
Yeah, because I thought you were my daddy.
When you go back, he said, tell him
this, I'm not your daddy.
I've adopted you legally, I've changed your name,
those factories, everything you see, the cars, the
yacht, everything is in your name.
When I die, you inherit everything.
And tell him this, not only are you
one of the richest little boys in England,
would you tell him this?
That when we wanted a boy, we had
500 to choose from.
But when he came to their house, they
had to have him whether they wanted him
or not.
Do you think the boy was sorry he
was adopted?
I have eternal life, I'm going to an
eternal home.
Pity me if you like, you'll waste your
pity.
Scorn me if you like, you'll waste your
scorning.
How do I know I pass from death
unto life?
Because this book was once dead and it's
alive.
Somebody asked D.L. Moody and he wasn't
much of a scholar.
Somebody said, Mr. Moody, how do you know
the Bible's inspired?
He said, because it inspires me.
That's about the best answer you'd ever get.
It should cost you ten dollars, but there's
an offering box at the bank called
Follet.
His forebears, you may not know much about
the Huguenots, they fled in persecution from France
in 1620, something like that, and his forebears
came over.
He became one of the greatest scholars, one
of the most saintly men in the Pentecostal
testimony in the last 100 years in America.
I was reading some sayings of his.
And one saying was, he said, Lord, let
me live until I die.
Do you know what he meant?
Don't just let me exist, let me live.
Let me draw life.
I'm a living Christ.
I'm a living Christ living in me.
I'm not a Christian because I renounced sin
and gave up dirty habits.
I'm a Christian because I've been justified by
the Lord Jesus Christ, sanctifying by His presence.
And Christ liveth in me, Paul says, and
the life which I now live in the
flesh, I live by the faith of the
Son of God who loved me and gave
himself for me.
I hate watches.
Let's look at this verse a minute.
Verse 26 says, Like also the Spirit helpeth
our infirmities, so the Spirit comes to aid
me in my weakness.
We know not what to pray for as
we are, so the Spirit comes to help
me in my ignorance.
He maketh intercession for us with groanings, so
he comes to help me in my weakness
again.
As I read over this this morning, the
early hours again.
Paul's summary here of Jesus Christ is that
he's totally adequate for everything in my life.
The Holy Spirit will help my infirmity if
I confess my weakness, because if we've gone
on reading the other scriptures, he says, when
I'm weak, then am I strong.
He helps my ignorance.
I need illumination on the Word.
I need illumination on the affairs of life,
maybe, to translate them in the realm of
this Word.
But let me recognize again, in all these
things, all these things we tabulate, we can
be more than conquered.
This is the voice of experience.
This is a man with a bloodied head,
a broken body.
I think his jaw was out of shape.
I think he limped.
How could he be stoned three times and
look like Adonis, the masculine figure of the
Greeks?
I'm sure he had marks all over his
face with those rocks when he walked.
He'd been in fastings often, bodily presence.
He was no orator in the 10th chapter
of what?
2nd Corinthians there.
He's looking up a bunch of intellectuals and
they said his bodily presence is weak and
his speech contemptible.
The orator of the early church, remember there
were three people divided that church as it
were.
I'm of Paul, I'm of Paulus, I'm of
Cephas.
I'm of Paul, he's a great intellectual.
I'm of Paulus, he's the orator.
I'm of Cephas because he once walked with
Jesus.
They said his bodily presence is weak.
Traditionally we're told he was about five feet
one high and he had a hump back
and a big nose and very unpresentable.
He may have been outside but inwardly had
the glory of God.
He may have been a dwarf physically, he
was a giant spiritually.
Again he had a trip into heaven for
some time.
He was known in hell, he was known
all over the Roman empire.
He made kings tremble, Felix tremble.
I guess Paul laughed about that secretly.
And Agrippa, the rotten Agrippa was terrified.
But could you step into the corruption of
Corinth, the rottenness of Rome with a message
less than this message in all these things?
Whatever your twisted depraved nature is suffering from
the power of the devil, whether you inherit
it from people or you're occupied by the
devil, it's possible for you to be cleansed,
to be purified, to be in the dwelling
place of God.
And in all these things, if your record
of misery outruns, but he never had misery,
he has majesty.
He's never overcome, he's the overcomer.
He's never defeated, he's the defeater.
All right, in all these things we're more
than conquerors through him that loved us.
Let me give you a list quickly, very
quickly.
Conquerors, overcomers.
Early this morning around two o'clock I
was reading the 22nd chapter of Genesis there.
One of the most amazing stories, I never
heard anybody preach on it really.
Here's a young boy, athletic, he'd never eaten
junk food, lived in the open air all
his life.
I think he was a hairy man, a
strong man, a muscular man.
He's going up the hill with his daddy
and his daddy says, lift that rock and
put it here with me.
And they build an altar.
It's very difficult to build an altar, you're
going to be sacrificed on yourself.
In England, I used to read about the
Hudson's Bay Company.
I went there to preach some years ago.
The pastor there was a young man who
had been in the Bible school when Billy
Graham had it there in Minneapolis.
He was dragging a withered leg.
After he got up there, he had polio.
He had four beautiful little girls and they
wore bridesmaid dresses every day because the dresses
were too long that they send in the
missionary barrel.
He put every penny of his income, every
penny apart from food, every Christmas gift, every
gift to his children, he put in that
little assembly hall to give it a new
heating system.
He got new seating, new heating.
The whole community was rejoicing.
Then he began to lay down the law.
Like Jesus didn't do so much healing, he
laid down the laws of the kingdom.
And they voted him out of office.
I said, where are you going?
I don't know.
But he said, I know there's a tribe
of Indians down the railroad track.
There's no road out of Churchill, only a
railroad track.
I'll walk down that track and I'll meet
with those Indians.
I'll talk with them.
I may stay a week or a month.
Where do you sleep?
In my sleeping bag.
What about the snow?
I just brush it off in the morning.
What about food?
Well, I get some Indians to let me
buy a few things from them.
If it's terribly severe, below zero, I knock
on the door and say, please could I
sleep here tonight?
They say, come in.
Daddy sleeps near the wall.
Umpteen children sleep in between.
Oh, the wife sleeps near the wall, umpteen
children.
Daddy sleeps here.
I sleep behind when one turns you alter.
I'm going to start a new work.
Maybe it's the only way God could get
me out of here.
They voted me out.
I'm going to, he was put on an
altar that he built himself.
Oh, here's this healthy boy.
Daddy says, help me build an altar.
He says, now son, climb on the altar.
Would your 18 year old boy do that?
His daddy binds him to the altar.
Would your son have punched you on the
nose?
I had to read it to really get
hold of the thing again.
The son is lying on the altar and
the father takes the wood and puts it
on the son, and in one hand he
has a knife, in the other hand he
has a bucket of fire.
Why didn't the boy kick away when he
submitted to his father?
When he saw that knife go up and
it's coming down to take his life, he
was meek, type of Jesus I guess.
When he said nothing, he was a conqueror.
When he was unbound, he was more than
conqueror.
The Hebrew children went into the fire.
Why, they could have fought their way out.
When they went in with submission, they were
conquerors.
They were bound with their hands and feet
and they hadn't a pen knife.
What did the fire do for them?
It did the one thing they needed.
It burnt off everything the world had put
on them.
It didn't singe their hair, it didn't burn
their faces, it just liberated them.
In the last place they would have chosen
to go to.
Sometimes we're asking God to get us out
of a situation in which he says, this
situation will be your salvation if you go
through it.
You'll come out with maturity, you'll come out
with strength, you'll be the man I want
you.
You know you won't become a saint by
reading your Bible, so forget it.
And every morning you can get up and
read streams in the desert or squirts in
the wilderness or anything, it won't help you.
It'll give you advice, it won't make you
a saint.
The truth of God has to get in
the bloodstream and be worked in us and
work out your own salvation.
God won't make me the way he makes
Dave, won't make Dave the same way he
makes Dr. Dave.
He's got different methods, different patterns, there's only
one apostle Paul.
Surely he's a type, again, of a truly
sanctified life.
The three Hebrew children could never have revealed,
with all their talking, and though they were
respected, it was then the king said, well
I see the form of the fourth like
unto the Son of God.
What did he know about the Son of
God?
He was a heathen, except what they taught
him.
But the only way to reveal the Son
of God is you get in the fire
and burn and don't squeal and don't ask
for clemency, go through hell if need be.
And in that horrible situation, when the furnace
was heated seven times hotter, the glory of
God was seven times greater.
Isn't there a poem, I think, Faber said,
he always wins who sides with God.
To him no chance is lost, God's will
is sweetest to him when he triumphs at
his cost.
Here's a better illustration, here's a young man
up here, his name is Joseph, pardon me,
his name is Joseph.
His daddy sends him down to Dothan with
sandwiches and cheese.
Maybe that's a proof we should be vegetarians,
I don't know.
Sandwiches and cheese, go to your brothers.
So he goes down from his home, he
goes down to Dothan.
His brothers manipulate him, he was young enough
to sock them, maybe do a bit of
karate on them and fling them all over
the place.
What does he do?
He comes down to Dothan, he's put down
in a pit, he's sold, he goes down
into Egypt.
He's hit the bottom, no, he goes down
in a prison cell again.
As far as I can see, Joseph was
about 17 years of age when he went
into that terrible situation.
He was 30 years of age when he
came out.
John Baptist didn't minister till he was 30,
Jesus didn't minister till he was 30.
A man could be a priest in Israel,
a soldier when he was 20, a priest
when he was 25, a high priest only
when he was 30.
It's a number of maturity.
And here he comes out of this hell
hole.
Isn't it something when somebody, Brother Dave says,
pray for me, and you pray for them,
and they get out of their situation and
you're left stuck?
You pray for somebody else, they get delivered,
and you're left stuck.
The butler and the baker said, pray for
us, get us out.
And he saw the baker go out, he
saw the butler go out, and he's left
still in this rotten old place.
What happened?
He went down and down and down, down
to Egypt, down to Dawson, down in the
pit, down to Egypt, down in the pit,
down to the bottom.
He's forgotten, he's neglected.
Then he starts going up.
When he went down in quietness, he was
conqueror.
But when he sat on the throne, when
the king was away, gave him the keys
of the kingdom, put a chain around his
neck, you reign in my place as a
king.
You should go to the bottom.
We don't want to go to the bottom.
Lord, that's far enough.
Could you press the button and stop?
No, you have three more stories.
What?
Yeah, it's only going to take six months,
and you'll be much more.
Six what?
Six months, you'll be through this trial.
But when you come out, you'll be purified.
You'll be purged.
You have this blessed man himself.
With all his persecutions and all this, he
is more than conqueror.
He adopts a son, Timothy.
He has offspring spiritually all over the place.
He's torn a hole in the side of
the kingdom of the devil.
He's feared by men.
He's feared by demons.
He's adored by angels.
He has the anointing of God.
He wrote a page that has never been
repeated and maybe never will be repeated.
On the other hand, it may be.
Let me just say this here.
In all these things, we are more than
conquerors.
What?
He said, I'm persuaded.
He's not guessing.
It's not a philosophy.
He says, I am persuaded that neither death,
nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things
present.
And then he throws his shoulders back with
a kind of holy defiance against the devil.
He says, nor things to come, nor height,
nor depth.
What lies ahead of us?
Holocaust.
And he says, neither height, nor depth, nor
any other creatures shall be able to separate
us from the love of God.
Madame Guin, one of the greatest saints that
ever lived, was put in the Bastille.
There used to be a copy of it
if you go to Washington, go in Mount
Vernon, the house of Washington.
As you come out of the kitchen, go
around the corner, go up the stairs, there's
a table there, and it has a copy,
a model of the Bastille.
The walls were 30 feet thick.
That little woman was put in there.
A pastor wasn't allowed to visit her.
They took her Bible away from her.
And there she is day after day, year
after year.
She says, could I be cast where thou
art not?
That were indeed a dreadful spot.
But with thee, my God, to guide the
way, it is equal joy to go or
stay.
She says, it pleased the Lord, a little
bird am I, shut off from fields of
air, content within the cage to lie, because
God has placed me here, well pleased a
prisoner to be, because, my God, it pleaseth
thee.
God doesn't tell me to be a success.
He tells me to be obedient.
If he gives success, fine.
If he doesn't, that's all right.
The Spirit bears witness with peace, with joy,
with assurance, blessed assurance.
Sometimes I'm here, I like to stop a
meeting and say, let's start right here.
Well, how do you know you've got assurance?
What is assurance?
What do you know?
I've got assurance.
But there's no condemnation.
I say, Paul could not have gone to
corrupt Corinth and rotten Rome.
Read the first chapter of Romans.
How do you go to twisted, deformed, depraved,
devilish men with anything less than a message
that can make them more than conqueror?
If you've been a slave to liquor for
twenty years, he can snap the fetter.
If you've been a secret slave to lust,
he can break that fetter.
If you have some other bondage, if you've
got a cruel thing called pride, or enmity,
or jealousy, he says, and I'll finish with
this, David, I won't go further.
I think he wrote the epistle to the
Hebrews, and in Hebrews 7, 25, he says,
concerning this Christ, he is able to save
to the uttermost.
And so he said, to the guttermost, and
the uppermost, and the muttermost.
The whole scope is covered by the redemptory
work of Jesus Christ.
I used to like to sleep in my
granny's home.
I think it should be illegal to be
a grandmother and not have a rocking chair.
So, David, you've got to get one now
for Greg.
Good.
I used to get, my grandmother was a
pretty hefty woman.
She wore those aprons, you know, little blue
and white check, and she'd take the corners
like, why do you do that?
She said, this is my tabernacle.
And she'd sing Blessed Assurance, or some other
wonderful hymn like that.
Hymns like Holy, no, what was the other
one?
Take, thank you dear, take time to be
holy, speak off with thy lot, and she
did that.
There's another hymn that she liked.
Let me think, I'll do it now for
a moment.
It was about full salvation.
How amazing God's compassion, that so vile a
worm should prove, this stupendous bliss of heaven,
this unmeasured wealth of love, it reaches me,
it reaches me, wondrous grace, it reaches me.
Sure, David's a wonderful expert on all that
goes on in the underworld.
He lives for it.
I salute him always.
He'll be going off soon into a, he
doesn't need to go in those hell holes.
He risks his life, he's going.
But he knows the effect, he knows the
power of the gospel, that Jesus is able
to save to the uttermost.
Take the other side, just one.
Two of the most amazing brothers in history,
surely, were Charles Wesley and John Wesley.
In Westminster Abbey, or no, I think it's
in St. Paul's Cathedral, there's a disc on
the wall with the profiles of those two
men.
The great American hymn writer Fanny Crosby wrote
over 3,000 hymns.
Charles Wesley wrote, I think, over 6,000.
One of the greatest is that lovely hymn,
Can it be that I should gain an
interest in the Saviour's blood?
Died he for me who caused this pain?
For me who him to death pursued?
Amazing love, how can it be that thou,
my God, should serve?
Now here is a gentleman, a scholar, a
man of impeccable morality, a man who never
transgressed any known law, a model preacher in
the Church of England, and he writes, long
my imprisoned spirit lay, fast bound in sin
and nature's night, thine eye diffused a quickening
ray, I woke with dungeon flame with light,
my chains fell off.
I think I know where the church is
right now.
She's Lazarus.
Jesus went to the tomb of Lazarus and
said, come forth.
He shuffled out, dead as dead could be,
but he got up and walked to the
door of the sepulcher, gagged, feet bound, hands
bound.
Loose him and let him go.
I'm convinced that I'll answer to God.
I believe that 99% of the Christians
in America and the world are still gagged,
still bound, bound with tradition, bound with fear,
bound with what the consequences may be if
I really follow God and I get liberated.
I may lose my inheritance.
I may lose my friends.
Fear is a terrible monster that binds.
In fact, many of them are even afraid
of death, afraid of a coming war.
But Wesley says, long my imprisoned spirit lay.
He hadn't a record of crime.
He had never done violent things.
He wasn't guilty of murder.
He wasn't guilty of some hellish corruption, but
he had an imprisoned spirit.
The law of Romans 7 is the law
of death.
The law of Romans 8 is the law
of spirit of life, has made me free
from the law of sin and death, and
not only made me free, but keeps me
free, as long as I'm obedient.
My chains fell off.
My heart was free.
I rose, went forth, and followed thee.
Maybe I'll finish this sermon another time.