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because you're going to be fascinated by our
conversation this evening with William Henry and his
book, One Foot in Atlantis.
Now, we agree there's a problem.
We may perhaps disagree on the solution, but
that's what makes interesting talk radio.
And I will tell you that this young
man, he looks like a young man, the
picture on the back of the book, at
least he's a lot younger than I am,
but he's done a lot of very heavy
reading of cult literature, a well-referenced book,
and of course it gets into the background,
basically, of the original ideas that some people
had when this country was founded.
And that was that this would be the
new Atlantis.
Now, most people out in the listening audience
probably aren't aware that Francis Bacon, who lived
in the 1600s, was a leading occultist at
that time.
He lived in Great Britain.
And of course, he was privy to the
secrets of the ages.
He believed that America, this new nation that
was founded on the eastern coast of this
northern hemisphere of America, he believed that this
new nation that he envisioned here would become
the new Atlantis and replace lost Atlantis.
And that may sound pretty incredible to you,
but there have been people who have believed
in this entity, and they've been living here
in America since shortly after the time when
the Pilgrims landed here in North America about
1620.
And you'll find that if you read Manly
P.
Hall's The Secret Destiny of America, he talks
about how these people with this belief were
here 150 years before the Revolutionary War, which
would have made it 150 years, would have
been about 1626, somewhere in there.
But anyway, these ideas have been around for
a long time.
And then, of course, William carries that idea
forward to the Second World War.
What most people do not understand, everybody talks
about Nazism, how could it have happened in
a Christian country like Germany?
But, of course, there were strong occult foundations
in the beliefs of many of the German
people.
And although the country was predominantly Protestant, there
were still many people there who really believed
in the ancient myths of the Aryan people.
So we're going to get into a lot
of these fascinating things.
William, how are you tonight?
Doing very well, Dr. Stan.
Thank you for having me on the program.
It's good to be with you.
Should I call you William?
Should I call you Bill?
What should I call you?
Oh, William's fine.
All right.
Thank you.
And, of course, the subtitle of the book,
The Secret Occult History of World War II
and its Impact on New Age Politics.
And, of course, I thought that that was
really fascinating.
I had never heard of this fellow Roarick
that was so close to Henry...
Henry Wallace.
I knew he was into theosophy, but I...
Anyway, why don't you sort of pick up
and let's start talking.
Do you want to go back to the
foundations of America?
Do you want to get started with the
Second World War?
Why don't we talk just briefly about the
foundations of America, since so much of what
happened during World War II seemed to be
a continuation of efforts of a seed planted
so long ago.
And it appears that Henry Wallace and Nicholas
Roarick and FDR were a trio of three
wise men, if you will, who were attempting
to perpetuate what appears to be an ancient
plan for the destiny of America.
Well, of course, we know that certainly both
Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Eleanor Roosevelt were deeply
involved in the occult.
Most people don't understand that, but that's nothing
new.
I mean, after all, we had Nancy Reagan
going to her astrologer.
We have Hillary Clinton inviting one of her
friends to come to the White House to
conjure up the spirits of Eleanor Roosevelt.
And so these things have gone on all
through the years.
You're just not hearing about it.
And so you're sort of lost.
You don't understand the things that are going
on in the world today.
But there's a very real pattern, and it's
been reenacted time and time again.
So why don't we get your views of
the foundation of America, and I'll give you
mine.
But I'd like your views on that.
Yeah, I like to start, as you did,
with Sir Francis Bacon.
It all seems to stem from the publication
of that work, The New Atlantis, which was
published in 1626.
As you mentioned, Bacon was part of the
court of Queen Elizabeth, which also included such
illustrious figures as Dr. John Dee, Sir Walter
Raleigh, Francis Drake.
These were people that were intimately interested in
America, particularly the eastern seaboard.
And they viewed America as this new land
of destiny.
Bacon believed that it was going to be
on these shores that both a technologically and
spiritually advanced civilization would arise, and a new
golden age would be launched from these shores.
Why don't you perhaps just briefly cover the
myth of Lost Atlantis, this belief that has
been around for many thousands of years about
this ancient primitive civilization that was so highly
advanced, a really tremendous, tremendous knowledge that then
laid the basis of so much of the
hidden knowledge and mystery knowledge of the ancient
Egyptians, and perhaps even of the Babylonians.
But do you want to touch on Lost
Atlantis?
Because it is such an important part of
understanding the mythology, or at least the beliefs
of these people.
Right.
It's Plato that's credited with being the father
of that lontology.
He was a Greek philosopher, of course, and
it was a cousin of his that had
retrieved the story of this lost continent of
Atlantis while he had been visiting Egypt.
And the idea was that sometime perhaps as
many as 10,000 years ago, a massive
cataclysm struck this civilization.
It vanished literally into the waters of the
night.
But there were survivors.
There were groups that had successfully found refuge
in various places around the planet.
The Himalayas are often mentioned, South America, in
the region of the Andes, and even North
America, as well as parts of Europe are
mentioned as safe havens for these former Atlanteans.
And the idea was that they were all
going to come back together and regroup at
some future point and revive the civilization of
Atlantis.
But of course, this was really supposedly a
very, very advanced civilization with tremendous knowledge that
isn't available even perhaps to many people today.
Right.
Much of what we know about the advanced
state of Atlantean technology comes from the readings
of the prophet Edgar Cayce in the 1950s.
He did thousands of what he called or
considered to be past life readings with people
that claimed to have had lifetimes in Atlantis.
And very many of them described advanced technology,
airships, advanced medical technologies, this sort of thing,
and that this was the core of the
Atlantean civilization.
And by the way, it was thought to
be quartz crystal based, which for a long
time seemed kind of like this very sort
of new agey or nebulous kind of concept.
But now I think we're getting greater understanding
about that because all of our computer technology
and radio television is quartz crystal based.
And so now, of course, the idea was
that Atlantis was destroyed by a cataclysmic event.
Some people think it was a great flood
or it simply sank into the ocean.
Now, this is mythology.
We don't know whether it ever existed or
not, but there really are an awful lot
of people out there who do believe in
this.
And of course, they would, I would say,
fit into the more or less new age
belief system.
But it's been around for a long time.
What you really must understand, if you're in
the listening audience, is that many of the
beliefs of many of our leaders today go
right back to Plato's Republic, who believed we
needed a world government ruled by a ruling
elite.
And why I was so fascinated by William's
book was that it almost reads like my
latest newsletter.
And those of you who get the newsletter
will find we actually go into the writings
of Manly Bacon and point out that this
was the belief system.
It existed.
It's not imaginary.
These people, and there are many, many people
today who go back, point to the idea
of this wonderful civilization.
And they really thought that America then would
become the new Atlantis and lead the whole
world into this wonderful civilization.
Would that be a fair statement to make?
That's precise.
Absolutely.
And of course, these ideas that Plato put
forward in his Republic of the world government
ruled by the oligarchy or by the so
-called perfect ruler, the so-called just man,
this too was the basis of so much
of the belief system that is really in
force today.
So why don't you then carry this forward
to the Second World War?
Because leading up to the Second World War,
of course, you have in Germany, Adolf Hitler,
and in America, you have other people who
are cultists.
Hitler was an occultist, but most people don't
understand that certainly Henry Wallace and Franklin Delano
Roosevelt and many of the people who surrounded
him were deeply involved with the occult as
well.
So why don't you pick this up?
Because I was fascinated by your analysis of
it.
Right.
I'd like to draw the distinction and make
the comment that World War II, once we
look at it from the occult point of
view, and by the way, I think it's
safe to say that all of history is
occult minded, but historians are not.
And this is one of the reasons why
some of the things that we're discussing tonight
are not widely known by certainly your average
American, because when historians are confronted by evidence
that their greatest leaders are as deeply steeped
into the occult as they are, they have
a tendency to turn a blind eye.
For the most part, I think that is
because they don't understand these occult concepts.
And so therefore, they just dismiss them.
And these ideas get swept under the rug.
But how could you understand Adolf Hitler unless
you understand his occult powers?
That's exactly right.
And so when asked, I mean, there's even
biographers even today that are asked that question.
I remember seeing one on Larry King that
talked about why Hitler did what he did.
And they give every reason except for the
true reason he did what he did.
And I think that's really why I was
so intrigued with your book and the whole
idea, because I've studied history.
And of course, I think that sometime I'm
going to write a book on the occult
background of the First World War.
But you've done a good job going into
the Second World War.
So why don't you go ahead and just
pick up the story there from your point
of view?
Right.
So what I was getting to is that
World War II ends up being a holy
war between two competing religious factions.
Nazism was certainly a religion.
And the idea was that you had Hitler
on the one side and the Nazis were
attempting to create the new Aryan Atlantis.
All of German folklore, mythology is traced to
the Atlantean ideal.
And Hitler was a member of a literary
society called the Thule Society or Thule Society
that believed that they were in contact with
certain survivors of the Atlantean cataclysm, that they
were being fed sacred or ancient knowledge by
these beings that were going to assist in
the rise of the new Atlantis in Germany.
This new Atlantis in Germany would be defined
by a new Aryan master race.
It would be defined by genetic singularity.
Across the ocean here in America, you had
the other vision of the new Atlantis, which
was going to be a genetic melting pot.
As is stated on the Statue of Liberty,
give us your tired, your poor, we're hungry.
We'll pull them all together and we'll create
the new Atlantean ideal based upon diversity.
And basically what we saw in World War
II were the two sides lining up.
But they were both occultic and that's what
I think most people have really missed.
And that's what I was just getting to.
In Germany, you had Adolf Hitler proclaiming himself
the new Germanic Messiah.
And he was using a sort of inverted
Book of Revelation.
I mean, the thousand year Reich paralleled the
thousand years of peace that appears in the
Book of Revelation.
When Christ comes and rules for a thousand
years, and Adolf Hitler was going to have
a thousand year Reich.
And I think that's really, to me, I've
known this many times, and yet I never
saw the analogy between Adolf Hitler's belief, the
Messiah comes, the thousand years of peace, the
thousand year Reich, which he sold to the
German people.
And his stated goal was to create a
second Adam, which is part of the goal
of the Messiah, to create a new version
of humanity, a new model of human.
And of course, one of the interesting things
you brought out, and of course I knew
this from other sources, but that Winston Churchill
had done everything within his power to keep
anything about the occult foundations of the Nazis
from being brought up in the Nuremberg trials,
which is why most people in America have
very little knowledge.
We did have one fairly good coverage of
this on one of the Discovery channels.
It was called Hitler and the Occult, or
the Third Reich and the Occult, something of
the sort.
But overall, most people do not understand the
occult foundations of Nazism.
And without that, there is no way to
understand the Holocaust, there is no way to
understand the total disregard for human life, this
whole idea of breeding a special race of
people.
And of course, you get into Haushofer and
Rosenberg and Hess, all of these people were
deeply involved with the occult, weren't they?
Yes, they were.
And the stated goal of creating, supporting the
new Messiah, Hitler, and also of creating this
new model of human.
The other person that was, of course, intimately
involved was Heinrich Himmler.
I like to say Himmler, of course, was
the head of the SS, and I like
to say that he put the SS in
Hitler's messianic delusion.
And of course, remember the uniform, the cap
with the skull and crossbone on it.
And you mentioned that he had a library
with 12,000 occult books in it.
That's right.
A lot of people, listeners, may have seen
the movie Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade,
where Indiana was looking for the Holy Grail
and he gets kidnapped by the Nazis and
taken to this castle deep in the woods
of Germany.
And that was actually based on Himmler's SS
headquarters, which was at Wurzburg, where Himmler had
this astonishing occult library of many volumes that
were all tracing German occult folklore, as well
as techniques for creating this superior being that
they were attempting to create based upon the
model of the SS.
Now, wasn't that the Last Crusade?
That's right.
The third movie in the Indiana Jones.
And really what's so fascinating is, of course,
the first one was the search for the
Ark of the Covenant.
The last one was the search for the
Holy Grail.
Right.
But the thing is that the Nazis put
tremendous significance in looking for the Holy Grail
and for the Spear of Destiny, which was
the Spear of Longismos, supposedly the spear that
had pierced Christ's side.
And they actually sent out teams looking for
these things.
They went down to look into the Cathars,
which were a sect in the southern part
of France.
And why don't you sort of pick up
these stories?
Because most people don't understand that this was
not imaginary.
They even went over and they got themselves
some Tibetan monks or something of the sort
and brought them back to Germany.
They were totally dedicated to the occult.
And the fact that the average American has
no idea of that reflects the degree of
control that today exists over what the American
people think.
Yeah.
I mean, it's just truly a travesty.
And it's also one of the great ironies
of the Nazi regime that they were searching
so vehemently and expended so much energy into
retrieving Hebrew and Jewish artifacts.
Yet on the other hand, we have them
perpetrating the Holocaust.
And the reason that they were attempting to
acquire these artifacts is that there is tremendous
military power to be gained by retrieving the
Ark of the Covenant.
Well, almost a supernatural power that would give
you the ability to conquer your enemies.
That's absolutely true.
And then the same thing.
I mean, the Bible is loaded with stories
of the Ark of the Covenant in use
where it brings forward radiation.
It can kill thousands of people at a
time.
And it also enables you to make contact
or covenant with the creator being.
Himmler was intimately interested in any of the
ancient, especially what were thought to be pre
-flood language systems that would enable him to
not only communicate with what he considered to
be the pre-flood gods of Atlantis, based
upon the belief that all of religion, all
of mythology originated in Atlantis.
And the idea then was that if he
could recover the Atlantean artifacts, the Atlantean books
and secrets, that he would be able to
access this ancient, sacred super science of the
Atlanteans, which may have included later the Ark
of the Covenant.
One of the other artifacts that they were
certainly searching for, as you mentioned in southern
France among the Cathars, was the Holy Grail.
And most of your conventional Christians think of
the grail as a simple carpenter's cup.
Jesus used it at the Last Supper when
he offered the bread and wine, the elements.
And that became the foundation of the Eucharist,
which is, of course, the foundation of all
Christianity.
And this cup was thought to have also
caught his transformed blood and water at the
crucifixion.
Well, that's a very nice story.
But the fact of the matter is that
the Holy Grail, in its mystery tradition, enables
one to transmute the elements.
Now, of course, these are the beliefs of
Adam Blavatsky or some of the others.
This is partly Blavatsky.
This is also the alchemical grail tradition.
All right, fine.
And what we find is that most people
think that the elements that the grail is
used to transmute are earth, air, fire, water.
But actually, it's, Dr. Stan, it's the periodic
table of elements.
The reason they were searching for the Holy
Grail was because it was going to enable
them to develop the atomic bomb faster than
anyone else on the planet.
And the thought was that if they could
transmute the elements, they would be able to
control the entire planet.
And, of course, this sounds pretty far out.
But there are people who honestly believe these
things.
Of course, if you look at the periodic
table, the perfect order, you know, you look
at that.
And, in fact, when they laid out the
periodic table in chemistry and they said, well,
gee, we don't have an element here.
We don't have an element there.
But there's got to be one someplace, because
everything is in perfect order.
And, of course, eventually, they would find these
various elements to fit into the slots in
the periodic table, because everything I believe that
God has created is in perfect order.
And, of course, then these people who believe
that they can begin manipulating this with these
supernatural things.
Now, I don't necessarily believe that they have
this power.
But there are people.
And this was one of the Nazi beliefs.
And I'm sure you probably read the book,
The Spear of Destiny.
Oh, of course.
Yeah.
There are many, many books were written by
people who analyzed very, very carefully what had
happened in Hitler's Germany.
But these books have never been very popular.
And I've got a whole section in my
library of, I think, was that Ravenscroft?
That's right.
Yeah.
Trevor Ravenscroft.
Right.
Who really analyzed very carefully, trying to understand
the mentality of the Nazis, why they did
the things that they did.
And, of course, the SS was a totally
occult organization.
And I think you pointed out that the
members of the SS simply became professional killers,
totally dedicated to this idea, this idea, these
Germanic beliefs of blood.
What was it?
Blood and soil.
That had to do with Germany.
That's right.
Well, then, of course, what people don't understand
is that there were those beliefs on our
side as well, because what few people understand
is that Winston Churchill, oh, the great Winnie,
you know, the man who was such a
dynamic individual to carry England through the war.
And he was.
He was a magnificent speaker, one of the
great speakers of all time.
But, of course, Churchill was involved in the
occult, as was our president, as was Henry
Wallace.
In fact, it was during this time, 1935,
that Henry Wallace worked and convinced Roosevelt and
perhaps Roarick had something to do with it.
And I want to get into Roarick in
just a minute, but to put the occult
symbol on the back of the dollar bill.
And why don't you go ahead and tell
our listeners about the significance of the symbol
on the back of the dollar bill?
Because this is really a seminal to understanding
what's going on in the world today.
What is a mystical symbol that goes back
probably 5,000 to 6,000 years doing
on the back of the dollar bill?
Fellas, ladies and gentlemen, we don't have any
pyramids here in the United States.
We don't have any pyramids with a mystical
eye hovering over the top of it.
What's it doing on the back of our
dollar bill?
Go ahead.
Well, that great seal that appears on the
back of the one dollar bill was designed.
It was actually commissioned on July 4, 1776,
and it was designed under the watchful eye
of Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and John Adams.
Its purpose was to represent the logo, if
you will, of the American enterprise.
In other words, it was to just like
CBS or ABC or a television station, anybody
has a corporate logo and it defines their
vision.
This is exactly what the great seal does.
But of course, isn't the cult symbol?
That's right.
And what it is, on one side of
the great seal, we see an all-seeing
eye or what's called the all-seeing eye
just about to land on the top of
a truncated pyramid.
It's an Egyptian-style pyramid.
And when you research the history of that
symbol, it's not an original American symbol.
It's actually traced to Egypt, where that was
the symbol of their great god being Osiris,
a great god of gardening who was believed
to have come from Syria, came to Earth
along with his wife Isis, and traveled around
the planet teaching the art of gardening and
other arts of civilization.
Of course, this is a symbol of the
mystery of religions.
That's exactly right.
And so the fact that it is on
the back of the dollar bill, for our
listeners, this ought to alarm everybody.
What is the symbol of the mystery of
religions at 5,000 or 6,000 years
old doing on the back of the dollar
bill?
And it is there because of the occult
influence in America that was there in 1935.
And you see this every day.
And those of you who have heard me
comment, who watched the X-Files a week
ago Sunday, saw that mystical program where Scully,
Dana Scully, has the mystical experience in the
Buddhist temple, and suddenly her whole outlook on
the world is transformed, and her belief in
science is gone, and now, of course, she's
willing to accept supernatural healing using these various
alternative techniques, totally in violation with everything she's
believed.
And let me tell you, ladies and gentlemen,
there is a battle between Judeo-Christian belief
and the occult, and you're seeing it played
out on television, and I'll tell you what,
on that X-Files program, the occult won.
But why don't you go ahead and pick
up the story, because then how did that
symbol get from the ancient mysteries, which carried
down subterranean all through the ages, because the
occult has always been here, certainly repressed during
the time of the Catholic Church in Europe,
because, of course, they did everything they could
to keep the occult from welling forward.
And then, of course, here America is created.
It gets on the back of the Great
Seal of the United States, put there, and
nobody even sees it.
Nobody ever sees the back of the Great
Seal for between 1782 and 1935, and then
what happens?
Well, what happened was, in 1934, I should
mention that that symbol is not only the
symbol for Osiris, there are those who believe
that it's the missing capstone or cornerstone that's
referenced in the Bible, and is always a
reference to Jesus Christ.
The reason that it appeared on the back
of the $1 bill was in 1934, you
had Nicholas Rorich, a world-famous Russian painter,
and Henry A.
Wallace, the Secretary of Agriculture of the United
States, and President Franklin Delano Roosevelt engaged in
Mongolia in a search for the reincarnated Christ
or Messiah.
In 1935, one year after that search, FDR
stamped that symbol on the back of the
$1 bill.
Now, of course, this is an occult belief
that the Messiah is living over in the
Himalayas there.
Of course, this gets all into the myths
of Shambhala, and all of these beliefs.
Ladies and gentlemen, I take these publications from
the Lucis Trust, it used to be the
Lucifer Publishing House, it's now called the Lucis
Trust, because Lucifer had sort of a bad
rap with a lot of people, and of
course we're not even supposed to believe in
Lucifer anymore.
That, of course, is just very childish beliefs.
At least that's what they'd have us believe.
But you get the material from the Lucis
Trust, and they tell you about Shambhala and
the ashram where Sanat Kumara lives.
Of course, you turn and move around the
words in Sanat, and it comes up Satan.
But anyway, it is a belief that there
is a Shambhala over there.
Is that sort of Shangri-La, the mythical
Shambhala over there in the Himalayas?
That's exactly right.
It's kind of coincidental that at the same
time that FDR named the presidential hideaway in
Maryland, Shangri-La.
Of course, that's Camp David of today.
That's Camp David today.
But no one's really exactly sure where Shambhala
or Shangri-La was located.
The name of the place is Meru.
And what you find is that scholars debate
where the actual Meru is.
They wonder if it's perhaps in Sumeria, with
the Sumer being having the name Meru in
it.
Others say Meru is actually Egypt.
And then you have another group of people
that say, no, Meru is Ameruka.
So there's a great debate exactly where Meru
is, but there is one thing that all
of those traditions share, and that is the
belief that this Christ, Messiah, Earth Teacher, however
you want to phrase this, this world leader's
name was going to appear at this place
at a specific time.
But of course, this is not necessarily the
Jesus Christ of the Bible.
This is what the occultists refer to as
the Christ, wouldn't you say?
And we're going to have to take a
break here.
So you've got about three minutes if you'd
like to get a drink of water or
a cup of coffee or whatever.
All right.
You're on the East Coast, aren't you?
I'm in Nashville, Tennessee.
All right.
Well, that's from where we sit.
That's about East Coast.
So we'll be three minutes, and when we
get back, we can explore this some more.
And if you're out there in the listening
audience and you'd like to enter into our
conversation, please feel free.
Now, we're coming from opposite poles.
I'm an evangelical Christian, and Williams believes in
some of these New Age concepts.
But that's fine, because what we want to
do is explore these ideas so that you
understand the belief systems that are out there
and how this fits, perhaps, into your belief
and to my belief.
We'll be back.
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I mean, how many times have you heard
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Force or Sanat Kumara or the occult battle
that's going on in the world today between
the forces in America and the forces in
Germany during the Second World War?
And that was the very basis of what
was happening at that time and is the
basis of what's going on today.
Now, there are the Christian forces.
The Christian forces were here from the inception
of America.
But that constant battle between the Christian forces
and the occult forces have created the situation
that is responsible for many of the problems
in America up until perhaps the time of
Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
The Christian forces were in ascendancy, but when
they began to pack our courts with people
dedicated to the occult, when they put the
occult symbol on the back of the dollar
bill, when they infiltrated our seminaries, our Christian
seminaries, both Catholic and Protestant, with people who
wanted to change the message and the music
of Christianity, and well, eventually they've done a
magnificent job.
And the Christianity of today has very little
to do with the Christianity that existed in
America a hundred years ago or 150 years
ago when de Tocqueville came to America and
talked about the source of our greatness and
goodness, and when he said, America is great
because America is good.
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William, how can people get copies of your
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That's correct.
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And again, your is www.WilliamHenry.net.
WilliamHenry.net.
What's net?
It's usually dot com.
I know.
Dot org.
And you're a dot net, huh?
I ended up being dot net.
All right, fine.
So it's WilliamHenry.net.
If you want to go to his website,
what will they find on your website?
I've got several articles there, biography, a way
to order books as well.
How long have you been studying this?
Since 1982.
And have you read The Secret Doctrine, Anesis
Unveiled, and all the writings?
Oh, of course, yeah.
How about the Sanskrit part?
We're going to talk a little bit about
Helena Petrovic-Blavatsky, because she is one of
the most important individuals of modern times, or
at least of the last century, because so
many of her disciples have shaped the world
in which we live today.
But of course, most people have never even
heard of Helena Petrovic-Blavatsky.
And the reason is you're not supposed to,
because she created a secret society, and you're
not supposed to believe in secret societies.
But they're real.
They're not imaginary.
And in many ways, they're really fashioning the
destiny of the world in which we live.
So let's go ahead now.
We were talking about Rourke.
And why don't you tell our listeners about
Rourke?
Because in addition to being a Russian painter,
he was also an occultist, wasn't he?
He most certainly was.
Nicholas Rourke was a Russian of a very
aristocratic family.
He traced his lineage to the Rourke family,
who were actually the founders of Russia.
They were called the people of Rus, R
-U-S, from whence came Russia.
And so he was trained from the time
he was a young boy in occult mysteries
and that sort of thing.
His family had this phenomenal library near St.
Petersburg that he would go to, and he
received training literally since the time he was
a child in these mysteries.
He found a love of nature and painting
very early, and also studied ancient Russian history
as well.
He was an archaeologist on top of being
a phenomenal painter and a true occultist.
But then came the Russian Revolution, and Nicholas
Rourke did not subscribe to the Bolshevik way
of thinking.
So he left Russia and became what was
known as a white Russian, spent some time
in Paris, a little bit of time in
London, got married, raised two sons who were
tremendously superb intellects themselves.
One graduated from Columbia, the other from Harvard
University.
And finally in the 1920s, he made his
way to America for the first time, came
here, toured the United States, was appalled at
the lack of cultural training in America, and
made it his life's mission to attempt to
reverse that trend.
He founded two schools, both devoted to the
arts in America, and bringing the world culture
to America, developed a tremendous following.
Millions of dollars were poured into his, and
this was in the 1920s, before the stock
market crash of 29.
Boy, that's what a million dollars is a
lot of money.
Yeah, they built him a 29-story lomacery
on Riverside Drive in New York City that
was designed to house his paintings.
But Rourke's destiny he didn't feel like was
really in America.
He had a calling, he believed, to go
to India.
And he went there in search of lost
secret manuscripts that once belonged or supposedly belonged
to Jesus, possibly also Saint Thomas, and spent
a considerable amount of time there with Buddhist
lomaceries, learning various teachings.
And he claimed that he found these secret
teachings of Jesus, as well as records of
Jesus's travels throughout the East, including parts of
India and Asia.
Now, let me just point out for the
evangelical Christian, there's nothing in the Bible to
verify this, but these are standard occultic beliefs,
these New Age beliefs.
But there are many, many people who believe
this, and of course the Gospel of Thomas,
and many of these other books, which are
not part of this canon of Scripture.
But go ahead, this is important, because this
is the basis of much of the belief
that's really out there.
And you can go down, there's not a
major city, or even a minor city in
America today that doesn't have a metaphysical bookstore.
And we've got a couple of them right
down here in downtown Santa Cruz.
You want to do a little praying before
you go into them.
But you'll find many of the books talking
about what we're talking about now, right along
with Alistair Crowley, who was basically a Satanist.
And you'll find books on witchcraft, and you'll
find the writings of Madame Blavatsky, and Alice
Bailey, and Annie Besant.
And you'll be amazed at the books that
you'll find in there.
But go ahead.
Yeah, you surely will.
And I have to say, you're right.
I mean, most of what I'm saying here
is heresy.
And I don't say that I believe in
everything that I'm saying.
I'm a researcher and a reporter.
Okay, well you go ahead, because I want
the listeners to understand that these beliefs are
out there.
I don't believe in them, but I know
that there are many people who do believe
in them.
So go ahead.
I think you've done an excellent job of
studying and researching this.
Well, thank you.
I appreciate that.
So where we left off, yeah, Roerich was
throughout India at these various Buddhist lamasseries, picking
up what he claimed to be these manuscripts
that were, some of them even written by
Thomas himself.
You're right.
The Bible says that he was told to
go preach in northern India, but it doesn't
say anything about southern India.
And there's where Roerich spent a good bit
of his time in the area of Mongolia,
elsewhere, looking for these manuscripts.
He wasn't a Christian, but he was looking
for these lost secrets of Jesus.
He made many, many paintings of this figure
they call Isa, which is the name that
Jesus is known by in India.
And all his life believed that Jesus was
a master, a prophet, so on and so
forth.
But not divine.
He was simply one of the masters or
masters of wisdoms or the ancients of wisdoms.
Right.
Sort of like the way Muhammad knew them
as well.
And so what happened was after 1928, 1928,
29, Nicholas Roerich returned to America.
And the stated purpose was the opening of
his lamassery there in New York City.
And it was at this time that Henry
A.
Wallace first comes onto Nicholas Roerich's radar.
And they had a very crucial relationship.
Henry A.
Wallace grew up in Iowa.
He was the son of a person, his
father was a professor at Iowa State University.
And Henry A.
grew up, he was actually trained by a
person by the name of George Washington Carver,
who was known as Mr. Peanut.
He was famed for finding various hundreds or
over 100 different uses for the peanut, food
and manufacturing, so on and so forth.
But actually, George Washington Carver was deeply, deeply
steeped in the occult, especially the African occult
religions of voodoo and other things such as
that.
And he taught Henry A.
Wallace from the time that he was knee
high to a grasshopper, as they say, about
the mysteries of nature.
He taught Henry A.
to communicate with plants and how to open
windows into God's creation through his mind.
And so from a very early age, Henry
A.
Wallace had some very strange ideas about nature,
ideas that were only confirmed in the 1960s
by quantum physicists.
As you mentioned, a person named by the
name of Annie Besant, she had a partner
by the name of Charles Ledbetter, who were
looking into the atomic world long before, or
purported to be looking to the atomic world
long before quantum physicists did.
And Henry A., as it turns out, was
deeply steeped into the occult religion of the
theosophists of Madame Blavatsky, of Annie Besant and
Charles Ledbetter.
And of course, he was for a time
the vice president of the United States.
This is what people don't know.
That's right.
Vice president.
And had he been re-nominated in 1944,
why he would have become the president of
the United States.
That's right.
This man was frankly deeply involved with the
occult.
He was a genius in the occult.
A flat genius.
He was presented as a hayseed hick by
history.
The man was a genius.
And this is why nobody could understand why
in 1940, FDR insisted on having Henry A.
Wallace on the ticket.
The Democratic National Convention in 1940 went absolutely
nuts at the prospect that Henry A.
Wallace would be one heartbeat away from the
presidency.
FDR said, if you don't take Henry with
me, I'm not going.
They were forced into bringing Henry A.
Wallace on the ticket.
FDR needed Henry Wallace for a reason, which
we can perhaps get into later.
But the point I wanted to make was
that when FDR made his acceptance speech in
1940 at the convention in Chicago, well, it
was by telephone, actually.
FDR was at the White House.
He said, I wanted to thank you for
accepting the nomination of Henry A.
Wallace as president of the United States of
America.
Let's go to Mike calling from Santa Cruz.
Hi, Mike.
How are you doing?
Oh, pretty good.
This would be right up your alley.
Yeah, your friend was talking about, wait, is
this Will Thomas?
No, this is Will Henry.
Yeah, I think you said Will Thomas.
I'm sorry.
Okay, he was talking about Ledbetter and Descente
and their clairvoyance into the atomic structure.
I suppose you're familiar then with the book
Occult Chemistry?
Of course.
Have you studied that thoroughly?
Well, about as thoroughly as you can.
It's a very arcane book.
Confusing.
Yes, it is.
It's very confusing.
Did you read what they talked about regarding
gold?
You'll have to refresh my memory.
Well, on page 353, it talks about a
compound of gold and silver that is ingested.
Then they're applying some Ayurvedic principles, and then
the life forces of the body change the
gold into a new atomic structure of some
sort.
All these things, as you know, Mike, they
say whatever they want to, but that doesn't
mean there's any truth to it at all.
Yet, some of these ideas that have come
to them supernaturally are really rather scary.
Yeah.
I wondered if Thomas there is aware of
any comparison, maybe with the information that they
came up with clairvoyantly, how it might compare
with reality and modern understanding of atomic structures.
Well, they are credited with the discovery.
These two people are using their imagination, basically.
Today, some people refer to the practice as
remote viewing.
What they were attempting to do is to
project part of their consciousness.
See, what they believed is that throughout India,
there were these abilities that these masters claimed
to possess.
There were six or eight of them, and
one of them was the ability to make
themselves as small as they possibly could be
in an instant.
So imagine that you've got a cup of
coffee on your desk there, and you're wanting
to investigate the internal structure of that cup
of coffee.
You could take it to a physics lab,
and they might put it underneath an electron
microscope and allow you to peer into that
coffee cup and reveal the atomic structure.
These people claimed that they could do the
very same thing with the power of their
brain.
Through their imagination, some mystic power, whatever you
want to call it, they had the ability
to, long before physicists could do this, look
into matter.
They claimed that they were doing it by
making themselves just infinitesimally small, so that even
the atom became enormously huge to them, and
then they were able to record or draw
the structure of that atom.
They're credited with the discovery or the recording
of six quarks as part of the structure
of matter.
And it wasn't until the 1960s that physicists
at Caltech were able to discover exactly the
same thing.
But of course, what they're really doing is
calling on these supernatural forces that, in my
estimation, come from the dark side for anything
that they can come up with, that they
couldn't come up with a logical explanation for.
Would you agree or disagree with that, Mike?
It's hard to put in a nutshell, but
what I wanted to say, though, I believe
that what they're attempting to do or describing
can be done.
Whether or not they actually did it with
accuracy is another story.
Well, I'll tell you.
You shouldn't want to call on these dark
forces.
And if our listeners out there, believe me,
do not play with this sort of thing.
This is not something you want to take
on lightly, because, as Mike will attest, because
Mike was in the New Age for perhaps
10 or 20 years, he knows the tremendous
attraction this has.
I present this not to fascinate you, but
to educate you, and if nothing else, to
warn you.
It's real.
It's not imaginary.
And you better have a personal relationship with
the Lord Jesus Christ, because we are involved
in a spiritual battle.
Anything else, Mike?
Well, I wanted to ask Will, I'll get
his name right this time.
William Henry, right.
Yeah, if he knows what the occult significance
or importance is of gold, I believe that
gold probably became the basic medium of exchange
through the centuries, not because of a material
value, but because of an occult value.
And I wondered if he thinks down these
lines or what he might know.
No, that's a good question.
I've been asked that before, Mike, and I've
just never been led to really research the
occult significance of gold.
I have looked into some of the history
of the alchemists, people that purported to be
able to transmute base elements into gold.
And I'm certainly aware of gold as a
metaphor for the human soul, and the ultimate
goal of purifying the soul.
But no, I haven't continued my research any
deeper than that.
I've always felt, Mike, that it was used
as a medium of exchange, just because there
wasn't that much of it.
It was not something you could simulate.
And of course, you wanted to have something
of a fixed value that cost a certain
amount to produce and emit.
And of course, you wouldn't get too much
of it and get inflation.
Yeah, well, that's the way it's presented in
our society.
But I believe, I tend to believe that
it's being rounded up these days by the
power elite of the world.
And they want it, and not for monetary
purposes specifically.
They're certainly using it that way.
That happens all along the way.
But I believe ultimately, they want it for
an occultic purpose.
They want as much of it as they
can in one spot, likely Switzerland or one
of those castles in the Bavarian countryside.
Okay, right.
Perhaps Linderhof or someplace like that.
Anyway, thanks so much, Mike.
Bye-bye.
Okay, well, now, we were talking basically about
Rourke, and of course, Rourke's influence then on
Henry Wallace, who was simply a heartbeat away
from the American presidency.
So then why did Roosevelt insist on having
Wallace there?
I want you to give me the answer.
I know the answer, but I want our
listeners to hear why was it so important
to Franklin Delano Roosevelt to have Henry Wallace,
who he had to know was deeply involved
in the occult, at his side?
That's why.
Because, and this is my personal opinion based
upon, I've just written a book about this.
That's what I'm completing right now is this
triune relationship, which has to be one of
the most fantastic threesomes in history.
We have to remember that since he was
a young man, since he was 28, 29
years old, FDR himself was looking for the
Holy Grail.
And he was also deeply steeped in many
of these concepts.
He understood the significance of many of these
things in our time.
And again, if we have to look at
the Holy Grail from the perspective that it
may be more than a simple carpenter's cup,
that it may, in fact, give us the
ability to transmute the elements.
And as it turns out, Henry A.
Wallace, as a plant geneticist, intimately and as
a person who was trained in the occult
mysteries by George Washington Carver, knew the secrets
of photosynthesis and the fusion of light.
He knew the secrets of the atom.
And that is his primary value to Franklin
Delano Roosevelt.
FDR knew or actually possessed many of the
nuclear secrets.
He formed something called the Top Policy Group.
It was a group of five men that
controlled the secrets of transmuting the elements of
nuclear fission.
And Henry A.
Wallace was the only scientist in that Top
Policy Group.
He was the only person that could explain
those secrets to FDR. And that's the primary
reason why Henry A.
Wallace was so valuable to FDR. They share
a very strange connection.
The connection is that Nicholas Roerich's family, his
original family name was not Roerich.
It was Roos, spelled R-U-S or
sometimes R-O-O-S.
Henry A.
Wallace grew up in Iowa, but when he
came of age in his early, late teens,
early 20s, he was shipped off to Minnesota,
where he was then trained by a shaman
named Charles Roos.
And then you have the president, Franklin Roosevelt,
sharing the same root word, Roos.
Now, what's the significance of that?
Well, the significance of that is that when
you go back to Egypt, where many of
these mysteries originated, Roos was the name of
the projectile, the serpentine projectile, that is shown
emerging from the forehead of the phaerus.
What does the Roos enable one to do?
It enables one to peer into the atomic
structure of matter.
And it's my contention, my supposition, that these
three men all shared this combination of this
Roos factor in their name or in their
life or in their livelihood, and they were
destined to come together in an attempt to
bring forward the secrets of nuclear fission.
Well, of course, then there was a strong
Masonic influence on the presidency at that time,
certainly FDR was a Mason.
He packed our Supreme Court with people who
are Mason, so that actually for a 30
-year period after both he and President Truman
were the presidents, the Masons totally controlled our
Supreme Court.
What's the relationship of Masonry to this world
occult movement?
Well, for the most part, the Masons, many
people believe their history is traced to the
Knights Templar.
Of course, their lineage goes back to Egypt,
and they seem to be a sort of
an occult club brotherhood that is established to
promulgate or pass along the occult secrets of
the ancients.
But, of course, the average Mason has no
idea.
It's only the inner segment of the secret
brotherhood, at least according to Matt Lee P.
Hall in his book, What the Ancient Philosophy
Expects of His Disciples.
Yeah, but the teaching...
Well, anyway, the name escapes me right now,
but anybody who'd like to get it, we
actually have a copy of it.
And he talks about how you basically have
a fraternity.
Within a fraternity, you have the outer group
that they specifically conceal the truth from, and
then the inner group who really understands the
secrets, and, of course, the secret of secrets.
That's right.
Lectures on Ancient Philosophy by Matt Lee P.
Hall is the book I'm thinking of.
And then there's another book, What the Ancient
Wisdom Expects of His Disciples.
But the Lectures on Ancient Philosophy, are you
probably aware of that book?
Yeah, I'm familiar with it.
Okay.
And, of course, that then explains where Masons
fit into this, because, of course, they are
part of one of the esoteric brotherhoods, aren't
they?
Oh, absolutely.
Now, do you get to that at all
in your writings?
I kind of have, since other writers have
done, including Matt Lee P.
Hall and others, have done such a great
job with the Masons, I've kind of stayed
away from them just a little bit.
It's one of those subjects that you have
to be able to devote just an enormous
amount of time to, and I've just chosen
to look elsewhere.
Okay, fine.
Certainly, the occult influence through Roosevelt and the
Masons was part and parcel of this whole
mystical mystique of FDR, which everybody has forgotten.
If you don't understand that Churchill was a
Druid and a Mason and dedicated to the
occult, I'd like to get your thoughts on
Churchill.
And then, of course, you have Wallace and
you have FDR. And then, of course, you
have to understand that many of the people
who surrounded FDR came from the Brotherhood as
well, Henry Stimson, people of that sort.
And then, of course, one of the people
who was closest to FDR was a man
named Edward Mandel House.
Have you gotten into House at all in
your study?
No, I have not.
Oh, certainly the key figure in American history
during the first three decades of the 20th
century.
He was the man who controlled Woodrow Wilson
and the rulers of the world.
And that's, of course, a different story.
And we can perhaps discuss that in the
next hour.
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