Well, Dr. Stan, back here at Radio Liberty,
and our guest this evening is William Henry
and his book, One Foot at Atlantics, the
secret cult history of World War II and
its impact on New Age politics, and it's
available by calling 1-888-690-1277.
That's 1-888-690-1277.
Of course, you can get his website at
www.williamhenry.net.
And we were talking about, certainly, the occult
influences, and I just touched on Winston Churchill,
and I was amazed that you'd picked up
on the fact that Churchill was responsible for
suppressing any information about the occult influence of
Nazism at the Nuremberg Trials.
So why don't you, do you want to
get a little bit into Churchill?
Because, of course, you can't discuss Roosevelt during
the Second World War without bringing Churchill into
it.
Right.
Yeah, I mean, one thing that I've learned,
as I began to understand the language that
these gentlemen were speaking, is that FDR and
Churchill had big mouths.
I mean, once you understand the mysteries that
they were involved in, they told the world
what they were doing.
But nobody understood what they were saying.
Well, it's just like today, most of the
people out in this listening audience, they think,
probably, they were quite mad, you know.
Where can you be talking about these things?
Well, we've got the books written by the
occultists who openly write about it.
But because they're dedicated to believing what Barbara
Walters and Dan Rather and Tom Brokaw and
Peter Jennings told them, that's all they believe.
That's their reality.
And, of course, they're living in the false
world.
This is the real world, the world where
the real battle is being fought.
So what about Winston?
Where does Winnie fit into this?
Well, it turns out he was the biggest
big mouth of them all, it seems to
me.
He, of course, as you mentioned, was a
Druid, initiated into the Albion Lodge of Druids,
which were dedicated to the search for or
preservation of the secrets of the Holy Grail.
And, in fact, there's photographs showing him at
his Druid initiation ceremony.
He's famed for his V for victory symbol.
That's not a V for victory symbol.
That's a Druid symbol.
It's a symbol for the goddess, the Druid
goddess.
And to those in the know, including Adolf
Hitler, that V represents a V for vessel,
as in the vessel of the Grail.
And to those in the know, including Hitler,
that was an insult to Hitler, because Hitler
certainly would have known what that V stood
for, and it didn't mean victory.
And so, all along, Churchill was constantly letting
people know what was going on.
There was a famous incident after the Quebec
Conference when Churchill came to America.
He was invited to Harvard University to receive
an honorary doctorate degree.
And this comes right on the heels of
when General Leslie Groves had been appointed to
lead the Manhattan Project.
We have to remember and remind the listeners
that the Druids were famed for meeting in
oak groves.
And they were, in fact, called the Men
of the Oak Trees.
And, of course, the oaks figures prominently in
FDR's story and elsewhere.
But what happened was, Churchill gets up there
to Boston at Harvard, and he says, I'm
so happy to be here among the groves.
I believe groves is the key word, isn't
it?
And for those in the know, they know
it.
He's talking on multiple levels of meaning, but
everyone else in the audience thinks, well, what's
this guy talking about?
We have actually a letter from Winston Churchill
wrote to H.G. Wells, in which he
says, well, I really can't talk to you
about that.
I can't discuss that outside of the secret
circle.
But people, you see, how many people are
going to go through Winston Churchill's papers and
find these letters?
It's all there.
I mean, all the information's there.
But, of course, the people who do the
research are usually attacked, either attacked, demonized, or
ignored.
And that's one advantage of at least having
a voice on radio.
At least we can get some of you
out there.
And if you want to see a copy
of the letter, you send us a self
-addressed stamped envelope.
We'll make a copy.
You could read it.
You can go back, and we can tell
you where to actually get the originals on
this.
I've done a lot of the research myself.
I'm in contact with others who are doing
the research.
And we actually have that in one of
the pamphlets we put together.
And here's Winston Churchill talking about the secret
circle.
Well, there aren't supposed to be any secret
circles or secret organizations.
If you believe that, you probably believe there's
a commie under every bed.
Yeah.
I mean, these guys, they just could not
wait to reveal their secrets.
They wanted to tell everyone.
One of my other favorite stories about these
guys letting everyone know the truth, but only
those that knew the truth understood what they
were talking about is the example of FDR
after we bombed Tokyo.
In the myth, this place Shangri-La is
thought to be connected to...
I can't say this is true.
I can just restate what the belief is,
is that Shangri-La is supposed to be
connected through a tunnel system, through some sort
of portal system, with other sacred spots throughout
the earth, the Andes and the Four Corners
area of America are mentioned, other places.
The idea is that you can go from
Shangri-La to the Four Corners of America
with literally nothing in between.
You can just go there and end up
coming out on the other end.
Well, after we bombed Tokyo, the world press
was just absolutely astonished.
Everyone wanted to know, how did American planes
get into Tokyo?
Not even the Chinese had been able to
invade Tokyo.
And FDR beamed with this big grin and
says, oh, well, the planes, of course, came
out of our secret base at Shangri-La.
Of course, the truth of the matter was
that there was a suicide mission.
It was a one-way trip and most
of them crashed in China.
Some of them got behind the Chinese lines,
some of them landed in Japanese territory.
And, of course, General Doolittle went down.
The man who rescued the American flyers was
a man named John Birch.
Now, that was for whom the John Birch
Society was named because, of course, three days
after the war ended, peace was signed.
He was killed by the Communists and the
American government concealed that fact from his parents
and from the world because, of course, we
were supposed to be friends with the Communists.
John Birch was the first casualty of the
ever-continuing Third World War that continues to
this day, not between Communism and Capitalism, but
between the forces of Christ and the forces
of evil, in my estimation.
So, but anyway, Winston Churchill was a Druid.
We know he was with Mason and, of
course, he was a brother of Mason to
FDR, and so there was a real camaraderie
between them.
And, of course, the other fascinating thing is
we talk about anti-Semitism.
Of course, it was anti-Semitism in Germany
because of the occultic beliefs of Adolf Hitler,
who was a disciple of Madame Blavatsky.
If we want to get into Madame Blavatsky,
because she is such an important part of
this, but Adolf Hitler read her books on
a regular basis, and the fact you've never
heard of Madame Blavatsky shows how effective the
thought control is.
But, of course, the Jews, a lot of
them wanted to get out of Germany, and
they wanted to come to America, and they
wanted to come to England, and, of course,
FDR and Churchill would not let them in.
A wonderful book called The Secret War Against
the Jews, which is a fascinating insight into
much of the suffering that the Jews have
had to forego, but we specifically would not
allow them to escape from Germany and come
here.
And the question is, why?
Well, of course, their occultic beliefs are there
as well, and, of course, most occultists have
an intense hatred of the Jews, because, according
to biblical tradition, they are God's chosen people.
I'm sure you've probably gotten into some of
that, haven't you?
Yes, some of it.
Again, I mean, this is such an enormous
subject.
Oh, I know it is.
Well, anyway, here, I want to get your
thoughts, and we've got Mike back on the
line again.
Oh, good.
And Mike, of course...
Mike's been back in the occult chemistry book.
No, well, Mike was in this for 20
years, so he feels very, very strongly about
it.
And anyway, hi, Mike.
Another question?
Yeah, I'm sorry, twice in one night.
When Will was talking about tunnels and portals,
and then you have the President of the
United States saying things like that, even though
maybe it wasn't true, like you say, in
that case, about the airplanes, the bombers.
Will, are you familiar with ray lines?
Yes.
Okay, I just want to be sure of
that.
It would be an important concept to introduce
at that point.
That's what they would be traveling through the
earth on, although the difficulty is that, of
course, the physical object, whether it's a human
body or a piece of equipment, it has
to attain some spirit form to travel.
But then, well, the next topic, though, connected
with that would be the Montauk Project, where
they either tried to or did travel to
Mars, or who knows where all, by way
of a ray line.
Now, that's getting pretty far out there now,
Mike.
Well, yeah, there's a lot of stuff on
it, though.
And maybe Will knows a few things about
the Montauk Project.
Oh, that's fine.
We'll ask him about that.
Yeah, Montauk is on Long Island.
It's the very tip of Long Island.
It's about a four hour drive from New
York City.
And it's a very strange place, and there's
a whole array of really bizarre stories about
what has allegedly occurred at Montauk.
It involves Crowley and his band of people,
and time travel to other locations, Project Invisibility,
an attempt to make U.S. warships invisible
using Tesla technology, and all kinds of stuff
that involves the beast of the Book of
Revelation and this sort of thing.
Well, now, is there any truth to this,
or is this all made up?
You know, I can't tell for sure, because
there's so little documentation.
I mean, what I consider really solid documentation.
And the other part of it is that
the literature that is available is extremely fear
-based, and I really can't say for sure.
The thing that interests me in it, though,
is that we're dealing with that Northeast Corridor
of America, which was so interesting, or of
such great interest to Sir Francis Bacon, and
also to Thomas Jefferson, who was one of
the, of course, the earliest presidents of the
United States, and also had a deep personal
interest in the language system of the early
dwellers of the Montauk area, people called the
Micmac Indians.
These are the same people that lived at
a place nearby called Oak Island, Nova Scotia,
where FDR spent so much time as a
young man, looking for the Holy Grail and
the treasure of Captain William Kidd.
And Jefferson was up in that area attempting
to link his Druid ancestors with the Egyptians,
and he was attempting to do so through
their linguistic or symbol system.
Exactly the same study that so fascinated Heinrich
Himmler, and has so fascinated others that are
attempting to recover the mystic secrets of the
ancients.
I think it's really important our listeners understand
that since the beginning of time, people have
always been looking for the secret, or the
secret of secrets.
And, of course, this then became Gnosticism, was
based upon this idea of the Kabbalah, which
was a mystical system within the Jewish religion,
just as Gnosticism was a mystical system within
the Christian religion, looking for the hidden knowledge
of, you know, well, the story of the
Bible's all right, but what's the secret message
behind it?
Well, of course, there's some of us who
don't think we need a secret message.
We think that you can have a pretty
simple message, God created the heaven and the
earth.
He didn't come from outer space or from
Mars or from other planetary beings or bodies.
But, of course, that's so complex for some
people.
They want to, you know, have these ideas
of, you know, life coming from Mars, and
where did it come from from Mars?
Well, don't bother to get into that.
We know it came from Mars, and that's
how it got here, and that explains life.
And so there are these two basic ideas.
One is this rather simple one, which I
tend to agree with, because I don't think
we have to make it complex at all.
There has to be a creator, obviously, and
if there is a creator, there's got to
be somebody who did that, who fits that
bill of goods, and we call that the
God of the Bible.
But these others are always looking beyond that
for the force, the secret message, the intelligence
that will make them more like God.
Would that be a fair statement?
Yeah, I mean, Sir Isaac Newton could not
have said it better, because he was another
in a long line of these people that
you've mentioned.
Alexander the Great, Constantine, Charlemagne, Adolf Hitler, all
believed that they were looking for secrets that
would enable them not only to communicate with
the God, but to become one.
Well, now, what was this story about Wallace
and Roosevelt wanting to send people over into
the Himalayas looking for Jesus?
Now, that would not be the Jesus of
the Bible.
This would be what the people believe in
the ancients of wisdom, these so-called wise
men who have been human beings and have
evolved to a higher plane.
Now, I don't believe it ever happened, but
they believed that, and you have to understand
what the other people at the other side
believe to understand so much of what's going
on in the world today.
So, what was that story all about?
Well, it started after Rorick returned from India
in 1928 or 29.
He claimed that he had received a sacred
stone that had helped him participate in the
failed formation of the League of Nations, and
he had returned the stone to India after
that, and he hooked up with Henry Wallace
in 1929 at their first meeting, and it
was at the opening of Rorick's museum in
New York City.
I just want to take an aside.
You had actually quotations from Wallace's writings to
Rorick where he referred to him as guru.
That's right, and what I was just going
to say is that Henry Wallace ended up
writing Nicholas Rorick 117 letters.
This was no casual relationship that these men
had.
This was a very intense relationship, not a
physically close one.
In other words, they weren't together a lot,
but they were writing back and forth considerably,
and these letters are called the guru letters.
Where are they?
Are they published someplace?
Yes.
I got copies of them from the Pegler
Collection at the Herbert Hoover Library.
They're also in the Rosenman Collection at the
FDR Library.
Fascinating.
The letters are phenomenal, especially when you consider
that this man was the Secretary of Agriculture
while writing these letters.
There's one that says, which is one of
the most famous ones, and by the way,
these letters have never been decoded.
There was a columnist in the 1940s and
50s named Westbrook Pegler who wrote for the
Scripps Howard News Service that looked into these
letters in depth, spent quite a sum of
money validating that Wallace actually wrote them, and
was trying to pin him down on exactly
what he meant when he said, Dear Guru,
we await the casket, the sacred, most precious
casket in this great land of destiny.
He talked about Maitreya, who is the Buddhist
Christ.
He talked about the Great Ones.
He talked about a Holocaust in America and
the need for a Holocaust in America.
He talked about the establishment of a new
spiritual state they called Kansas.
These are all, his letters are peppered with
occult symbols, occult terminology, all on the letterhead
of the Secretary of Agriculture.
Some of them are handwritten, but all of
them reveal Wallace's belief that Nicholas Roerich was
not just a representative of a god, but
as his other followers believe, that Roerich was
in fact a god himself.
And for our listeners who do not remember
the history of this time, then actually Wallace
ran for the presidency as an independent in
1948.
I remember when he went to the University
of California campus and I was an undergraduate
there and hearing him speak.
And of course he was at that time
very closely affiliated with the Communist Party.
The Communists were backing Henry Wallace at that
time.
So here suddenly we see the Communists backing
a man who is deeply steeped in the
occult.
That's right.
And it was actually at that time that
Westbrook Pegler as well as H.L. Mencken
were attempting to corner Wallace and say, what
are you doing with these letters?
What do these mean?
And of course he never, ever made one
single public statement about those letters.
What happened was they sent, they put Nicholas
Roerich on the payroll of the Secretary of
Agriculture, the Department of Agriculture.
The idea was they told the world that
they were there looking for drought-resistant grasses
because America had been decimated by the dust
storm.
It became a dust bowl.
And they had heard about these healing grasses,
these drought-resistant grasses in the area of
Mongolia.
Well, as reported in Newsweek magazine, it was
common knowledge in the halls of the Roosevelt
administration that they were actually looking for signs
of the second coming.
And so Nicholas Roerich, the employee of the
government, packs up and goes to Mongolia.
And he kind of pulls a fast one
on Wallace.
He gets over there and he starts to
try and launch this spiritual revolution.
And he starts saying that, he produces these
letters that say he's an official representative of
the United States government and you better get
out of my way.
And this causes great embarrassment for Henry Wallace
and of course the President.
Now, where was this written up?
This was in Newsweek magazine, reported it.
Really?
That's a long, long time ago.
Yeah.
And then, of course, the Pegler papers.
Westbrook Pegler wrote around 29 articles about this,
detailing it.
The people that were involved, what they were
doing.
He interviewed surviving members of the so-called
search party.
Westbrook Pegler was kind of a sports writer
to begin with.
He didn't have a cult background to look
at this.
So he was very handicapped going in.
So he couldn't fully understand what was going
on, although he did spend a good part
of his life attempting to understand it, but
never made an attempt to reveal the inner
meaning of what Wallace was doing and just
the enormity of this undertaking.
Well, the trouble, William, is that so few
people understand this.
And I'm sure that many of our listeners
out there are scratching their heads and saying,
what's this all about?
I mean, who's this Helena Petrovich Blavatsky he's
talking about?
One of the most important figures in the
last 150 years.
And you've never heard of her because you're
not supposed to.
We've got Jim calling from Santa Cruz.
And of course, Westbrook Pegler was a great
patriot.
He loved America.
But I could see where he'd get lost
in this whole thing.
I've been studying this for 37 years, and
I'm learning things all the time.
In fact, I learned a lot from your
book.
Hi, Jim.
How are you doing?
Good, Stan.
Question or comment?
I just wanted to make a comment.
I'm familiar with this subject that you guys
are talking about with Henry A.
Wallace and the Theosophical Society.
And I just wanted to add that I
know that one of the things that added
to his controversy when he was a presidential
candidate was that he was pro-Stalinist.
Sure he was.
Of course, he'd gone to Russia and took
a tour of Russia and said, there are
no prison camps here.
Yeah.
And I think that that's pretty much unforgivable
that he could display that kind of ignorance
in a blind eye.
That's ridiculous.
Okay.
Anything else?
It's my understanding that Helena Blavatsky's material is
derived from Freemasonry.
She was actually a female Mason.
And of course, much of it does come
out of Masonry, right?
Yeah.
And then for some reason, she went to
Tibet and was initiated in the mysteries of
some Buddhist sect in Tibet.
Right.
And she met her master there who then
would communicate to her telepathically.
And there's no way that Helena could have
written those books by herself.
They were simply channeled.
Yeah.
Or plagiarized.
Okay.
Well, we'll get the Williams' views on that.
Anything else you want to say, Jim?
No, not at this point.
Okay.
Thanks for calling.
Okay, fine.
Well, let's finish up the story of Rourke
and then let's get into Helena, because she's
one of my favorite characters.
Right.
So, Rourke gets over there and is en
route to Mongolia, purportedly looking for signs of
the second coming, and pulls that fast one
on the president, Wallace, and begins to launch
a spiritual revolution.
Now, what's he trying to do?
Get the Indians involved in this, or what?
Yeah.
And what he was trying to do was
launch a spiritual state in Siberia, ultimately.
He was attempting to return to Russia.
In fact, he did return to Moscow during
this time, and overturned the Bolshevik revolution.
Effectively, I mean, it's not stated, but you
get the inference that he was trying to
do is, believing that his family lineage were
the founders of Russia, you get the idea
that Rourke was attempting to install himself as
a new czar of some kind.
Okay.
And so, this causes, of course, great embarrassment
for Wallace, and they immediately, Wallace fires him
by cable.
So there was never an official report filed
by Nicholas Rourke, and what they did, they
gave him the income tax treatment.
They banned him from the United States by
cooking up this charge that Nicholas Rourke owed
several hundred thousand dollars in back taxes, which,
of course, he didn't.
And what's interesting about this is that one
of Wallace's core cohorts in giving him the
income tax treatment was a fellow by the
name of Louis Horch.
And Louis Horch had given Rourke millions of
dollars in the 1920s.
He was a very wealthy New York broker,
and Wallace persuaded Horch to file suit against
Rourke in order to claim possession of all
Rourke's paintings, all of his artifacts, all of
his research, so on and so forth.
And then after this, Henry Wallace gave him,
gave Louis Horch a job in the Department
of Commerce when Wallace moved over from agriculture
over to the Department of Commerce.
Gee, there's no honor among occultists, is there?
Pardon me?
No honor among occultists.
No, no.
And then Rourke made these statements that he's
like, you know, Horch and Wallace know what,
I can't remember the exact word that he
used, but he had the inference exactly what
you were saying, that these people are, they're
evil, basically.
Boy, that's calling the pot calling the kettle
black, right.
But of course, all of this is, go
ahead.
But it's just a truly phenomenal story, what
these people believed that they were doing.
It's almost beyond comprehension.
And then, you know, to have the whole
thing finished off in 1935 with FDR stamping
the Great Seal on the back of the
$1 bill, it just makes you wonder, did
they find something there?
If so, what did they find?
What's happened with it?
It's all pure speculation, because as far as
many historians believe, you know, none of this
ever happened anyway.
And it's a difficult trail to follow.
But it's certain that that search did happen.
It's documented in the New York Supreme Court,
in income tax records at the IRS and
elsewhere, that Nicholas Rourke was an employee of
the United States government.
And it's well documented exactly what they believed
that they were doing.
And so just as Adolf Hitler was sending
his agents into the southern part of France
looking for the relics of the Holy Grail.
At the exact same time.
Right.
And so you see these two parallel occult
forces at work.
And of course, by this time, Christianity is
having less and less influence on the American
government.
And by this time, of course, the occultists
already began infiltrating the churches, the seminaries, to
destroy the foundations of Christendom here in the
United States.
Now, let's get into Helena, because I think
she is such an important part of this
whole story.
Why don't you tell her story?
And of course, for our listeners out there,
who were her disciples?
They were men like Thomas Edison, one of
the great minds of our time.
But of course, he would go into these
trances and he'd come up with these wonderful
ideas.
But they weren't necessarily his ideas.
Of course, they were transmitted into the things
that make our life so comfortable today.
So many of the great advances came from
Edison or from Tesla.
And I was fascinated to see that Tesla
also would have these supernatural experiences as well.
Ladies and gentlemen, you want to avoid these
things personally.
Let me warn you that if you think
about dabbling in it, do not fear your
eternal soul.
But you need to understand that this is
not imaginary.
So pick up the story of Helena.
Right.
Another Russian.
She, very early on, felt like she was
a very liberated woman for her time.
Growing up in the late 1870s, early 1880s,
when she left Russia, married a general by
the name of Blavatsky and probably never consummated
her marriage with him.
But he enabled her to escape Russia.
She traveled around the world, lived in Tibet
for a time, actually disguised herself as a
man in order that she could enter the
Buddhist lamaseries there, and finally ended up in
New York City where Victorian America was ripe
for a very charismatic woman who had worldly
tales of fabulous tales of mahatmas and masters
of the Far East and elsewhere, and came
to New York, set up shop, and began
to take over the world, literally.
And I think we have to understand she
had a profound, profound impact.
Arthur Colin Doyle, who wrote the Sherlock Holmes
mysteries, was one of her disciples.
This was Thomas Edison.
This was William Stead, one of the three
men who formed Cecil Rhodes' original secret society.
But that's another story.
Why don't we go ahead a little bit.
We've got about a minute and a half
before we have to go to our break.
Yeah, what always amazes me about Madame Blavatsky
is the encyclopedic knowledge that she seemed to
have a grasp of, whether she actually wrote
her works or not.
Her first book...
Isis Unveiled?
Yes.
Sold out in a matter of weeks.
It runs, what, about 1,500 pages.
And she just kind of jotted this work
out.
I mean, it's just truly, it's not a
masterpiece.
That's not the right word.
It's just absolutely encyclopedic.
Encyclopedic, I think, is the word for it.
And to try to duplicate something like that
today is not impossible, certainly, but it would
take a tremendous amount of effort.
But, of course, here's a woman who's totally
uneducated.
Right.
You know, she runs away because she's 16,
you know, to marry General Blavatsky.
So, you know, of course, she claimed that
these were channeled to her.
And I really, I believe that there is
this entity of channeling supernatural intelligence, but not
necessarily coming from the right side.
We've got another three-minute break.
So, William, if you'd like to get another
cup of coffee or a glass of orange
juice this time, we'll be right back.
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on Sunday evening is having a film on
Jesus.
Apparently it's a two-hour animated, but quite
well done, factual film on the life of
Jesus.
They're specifically not going to advertise it, but
then they're going to see how many people
watch it.
Now, if you wanted to have a film
fail, that would be the way to do
it.
You would put it on between 7 and
9, when most people are eating dinner, that's
not the time.
Ordinarily you're supposed to put the films on
from 9 to 11.
No, they're going to put it on from
7 to 9.
Then they're not going to advertise it, so
nobody will know it's coming on.
They'll probably have the most boring program in
all of history on immediately before that, so
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and just see this film come on.
But we're suggesting that everybody, if you are
a believer, listen to it, watch it, let
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write to ABC and tell them how great
it is.
This is Sunday evening, this coming Sunday.
It's known as the Miracle Maker, and we
advise that you watch this, write to the
advertisers, write to ABC and say, hey, we'd
like to see more programs like that.
Let's see if we can't do something a
little aggressive.
They want it to fail, let's make sure
it's a great success.
Tell your friends about it.
The Miracle Maker, this Sunday, ABC, here in
the Monterey Bay area, that's channel 11, and
Sunday evening from 7 to 9 p.m.
And now we'll be back with our special
guest for this evening, Mr. William Henry.
Well, Dr. Stan here at Radio Liberty, and
my guest this evening is a fascinating gentleman.
His name is William Henry.
He's a little younger than I am.
I've got his picture here on the back
of his book.
But you can get the book by calling
888-690-1277.
That's 888-690-1277.
And his website is www.williamhenry.net.
And if you want that anymore, if you
didn't get it, we'll try to get it
out once more before the program ends.
And we've been talking, starting to get into
Helena Petrovic-Blavatsky, who is certainly one of
the most important figures of modern times, because
her influence, first of all as a mason,
and then developing her own secret society, really
is kept fairly well secret for a hundred
years, until it really became more or less
public.
A hundred years after it was created, it
was created in 1875.
I began to talk about it in 1975.
It is the basis of the New Age,
which has bookstores all across America.
Many of our leading politicians are disciples of
it, as is Al Gore.
In fact, his whole book, The Earth and
the Balance, is total New Age philosophy.
And many of our leaders don't feel bad.
If you're a Republican, then you're chortling because
Al Gore is this, and so is Newt
Gingrich.
Newt Gingrich is deeply involved in all of
these same ideas.
People in both political parties are pushing exactly
the same philosophy of the new spirituality.
Now, they're not going to stand up before
you and tell you that, but that's where
they're really coming from.
In fact, Newt Gingrich and Al Gore, when
they were both in Congress, belonged to this
special committee for studying the future, future planning.
And, of course, Toffler was the guru for
Newt Gingrich.
And if you haven't read Alvin Toffler's work,
Why You Really Need to Understand It, to
understand why the Republican Revolution failed.
It failed because it was supposed to fail.
And nothing's going to change until you get
educated, and you get involved, and you get
responsible people into our government.
Well, let's get right on back to Will
Henry.
Why don't you tell us a little bit
more about Helena?
Yeah, if you've never seen a picture of
Helena Bovatsky, you'll never forget it the first
time that you do.
In fact, one of her cousins described her,
said, you'll never forget that face because of
those eyes.
She had these incredibly penetrating eyes.
You know, just an aside, I think that
was so interesting.
I saw that notation in your book.
Henry, pardon me, Colonel House had exactly the
same eyes.
And you can look at a picture of
him taken almost 100 years ago, and those
eyes looked like they came right out of
the pit of hell.
And that's the same expression in the eyes
of Helena.
Yeah, it really is.
I mean, she's quite a spooky-looking person.
And through those eyes, she asked people to
peer into other dimensions.
And that was kind of the real key
sort of thing.
She opened a window almost into this other
world that many people didn't even know existed.
But out of that window, that door that
she opened up, came traipsing a whole cast
of characters that helped spawn the Nazi Party,
that helped spawn this belief in other dimensional
beings, including extraterrestrials, an idea that's so popular
today.
Don't forget that Margaret Sanger was also involved
with theosophy.
Right.
And, of course, as we've been talking tonight,
the two other key figures that were involved
in the Theosophical Society were Nicholas Rorich and
Henry Wallace.
And the key point that I try to
make whenever I possibly can is that, look,
Henry Wallace, as we've said so many times
tonight, was just one office away from the
presidency of the United States.
And we must know, we have to know,
the religious and spiritual beliefs of our political
leaders, because otherwise we have no idea what
kind of trail these folks are leading us
down.
And that was the real reason that I
wrote the book One Foot in Atlantis, was
to help educate people that, look, this is
what these people believed then, they still believe
it today.
Amen to that.
And that's what people do not understand.
The occult beliefs are there.
Since 1945, actually since 1932, of all the
presidents of the United States, all of them
have either come from the Council on Foreign
Relations, which was founded from the occult, or
from the Masons, all but one.
And, of course, he took a trip to
Dallas.
Is that just coincidence, or is that perhaps
part of a pattern?
Well, anyway, that's a little-known fact that
nobody ever wants to discuss.
But even some of our most revered Republican
presidents, if not Masons before they entered the
White House, actually invited the Masons to come
in to take them into the 33rd degree.
And that was certainly one of our greatest
Republican presidents of this last century.
At least that's what we're told.
And yet, of course, you look at some
of the things he did, and you have
to sort of question, perhaps our reality is
being molded by the media out there.
Yeah, I mean, I made the point in
the book that we live in FDR's world
now, and maybe it is the New Atlantis
that was described by the prophets of the
past, or Francis Bacon, if you call them
prophets, or just simply visionaries, authors.
The point is that all of those works
are purported to be fiction, that many of
them are based loosely on some kind of
a fact, but what we're dealing with today
are the results of those efforts.
When we look around us today, we are
creating a new version of humanity.
We're involved in genetics research that is going
to enable us to not just prolong our
lifespan, but literally to regenerate our limbs.
We can genetically create a new version of
humanity.
We're implanting computer chips in our human body.
We're becoming half-man, half-robot.
Is that going to be this new model
man that Adolf Hitler envisioned?
Or is this new model man going to
be the product of some genetic lab in
Scotland, or in Boston, or in San Francisco?
The conclusion of my book is that we've
got to become aware of these choices and
decisions that we're making for our future, because
many of them go starkly against nature.
We know that when we start messing with
nature, we're in big trouble.
But the seeds of these decisions have been
planted at least a generation ago, but we're
seeing them come to life on our televisions
and our newspapers on a daily basis.
It's time, I think, we take a look
at some of these decisions and ask ourselves
if we really want to do this to
ourselves.
Of course, I think that increasingly we're going
to see a polarization of society between those
who believe in the traditional Judeo-Christian beliefs
and those people who embrace these ideas of
the new age, a new spirituality of crystal
power, of all of these things.
But from whence does this knowledge come?
Because there is a hidden knowledge out there.
I have no question at all that there
is.
In fact, for a time I even studied
some of these things.
And I'll tell you what, the more I
studied them, I found, first of all, that
they worked very well, but the more I
studied them, the more frightening they became.
As a physician, I simply abandoned them because
I did not feel that I could continue
down this road for fear of what I
was learning.
Right.
The other thing that comes to my mind
as you were saying that, we're talking about
the imbalances in our world, and this is
what's partly going on in Washington this weekend
or last weekend with the World Trade Organization
meeting, is that while there's so many people
that are trying to launch us into this
new age where we've got computer chips in
our brains and we're taking this pill to
increase this ability and that ability, we forget
that half of the people on this planet
are still two and a half days' walk
from the nearest telephone and don't even have
access to a toilet.
And there's just something wrong if we've got
that kind of a situation on our planet.
There's going to be a day of reckoning.
That's where we're headed right now.
Well, I agree with you totally, in fact.
But it's interesting that they tell us, well,
things are a lot better.
It used to be that there were two
and a half billion people who lived in
adjacent poverty.
Now there's only one and a half billion.
But of course, with the knowledge that we
have and the ability we have, there's no
reason for any of this.
And things can be made better.
But are we going about it the right
way as we finance dictators throughout the world,
as America is the greatest arms exporter in
the world today, and of course the Russians
are the second greatest, and of course we're
financing them so they can keep up their
arms sales.
And of course, these are being used to
finance both sides of the wars.
That's the great tragedy and the slaughter and
carnage that's going on.
There are 20 or more wars going on
in the world today.
There are a million women who are living
in sex slavery.
I just cut this out of the newspaper
the other day.
You never hear about these things.
The genocide that's going on in the Sudan
today, being financed by the money being raised
by Petro-China, being raised on American capital
markets today, because there's a profit to be
made, and there's something wrong with this scenario.
Well, what is your suggestion?
Because I know you've thought about this, you
think about it very deeply.
How many books have you written now?
I've written four.
I have three that are published, and I've
just completed a fourth.
In fact, you sent me another one of
your books.
What was that one?
Probably The Peacemaker and The Key of Life.
All right.
Well, I haven't had a chance to look
at that after I do what I want
to get you on, and perhaps we can
continue this, because I think this has been
a fascinating, fascinating discussion.
And I'm surprised that we aren't having more
people calling in, but I find many times
that people are interested in what they're hearing,
and they don't call.
We've just got a few minutes more.
If you're out there in the listening audience,
you'd like to give us a call at
464-8295, or 1-888-TRUE-4-LIBERTY.
But let me just, for our listeners out
there, let me give you my slant on
this.
I believe that the majority of people who
came to America were Christian.
I believe that they came, the Puritans and
the Quakers and the Pilgrims and the Huguenots,
they all came to America for the ability
to practice their religion, and they were basically
Christian in their beliefs, different sects of Christianity.
The Anglicans came later, bringing the Episcopalian religion,
and, of course, then we had the Congregationalists.
But at the same time, you had the
Christian foundations of America.
You also had the occult foundations.
And this is why people are confused.
They can't understand why the things happen as
they do, because there have been two parallel
forces.
Now, of course, many of these forces go
back to the time of the Renaissance and
the Reformation.
One, of course, humanistic and occultic.
The other, the Reformation of the Church, trying
to get away from the fixed beliefs of
traditional Catholicism to the point where man could
have a personal communication with God.
But, of course, we've had these two forces
in conflict here in America, going back to
the 1620s, 1625s, but, of course, under the
administration of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who then began
to pack our Supreme Court with men who
were anti-Christian or anti-today of Christian,
and that is why they took God out
of our schools.
And the fact that you've never heard that
before reflects the degree of control that today
exists of what the American people think.
And it was during that era when the
occultists controlled our Supreme Court, that we had
Engler v.
Vital in 1962.
The occultists controlled, the Masons controlled the Supreme
Court from 1941 to 1971, from majorities of
5 to 4 to 1.8 to 1.
They were in total control of our Supreme
Court.
Why didn't anybody mention that?
Well, I think that you can imagine why.
It is because of the occultic control.
Because you have to understand that the Council
on Foreign Relations and the Bilderbergers and the
Trilateral Commissions, all of these organizations have their
foundation in the occult.
Why doesn't anybody mention that?
Because all of these occult organizations have one
goal in common, the establishment, well, they have
two goals in common, the establishment of a
one world government and the establishment of a
new world religion.
Do you see this well?
Where would you agree or disagree with what
I said?
No, I think that makes total sense.
Part of what I researched in my book,
The Peacemaker and the Key of Life, was
the symbolism that's there at the United Nations
building.
If you ever have doubted any of this,
take a look in the meditation room at
the UN.
They've got a massive 6.5 ton black
iron ore cube that was installed there by
Dag Hammarskjold.
He went to Sweden and looked over 60,
made him pull out 60 of these blocks,
over 6.5 tons before he found the
right one that would be representative of all
the world's religions all coming together as one,
as the foundation stone, of the cornerstone, if
you will, of the United Nations.
Here you had FDR stamping the same symbol
essentially on the back of the one dollar
bill and Dag Hammarskjold comes along in 1953
and re-emphasizes this same ideal of this
world government.
There's no question that that's where they're trying
to take us.
And that's exactly where we're going, ladies and
gentlemen.
If you think you're going to have any
freedom or rights when the new world government
comes, you're sadly mistaken.
And those of you out there listening, if
you'd like a copy of my latest newsletter,
which I think is really rather to the
point, and what's amazing going along with this
program is so much of what we're talking
about tonight I put in that newsletter long
before I ever read William Henry's book.
So I think that you'll find that interesting.
And if you're not a member of the
Radio Liberty family of supporters, you can call
us at 1-800-544-8927.
That's 1-800-544-8927.
And we'll introduce you to the Arcanum and
the Ar...
I always have difficulty pronouncing it.
And Conorium, I think that's something that you...
Do you know the term?
No, I do not.
All right, fine.
Well, it's known as the...
The first is known as the Secrets, and
the second is known as the Secret of
Secrets.
Anyway, I had to look that up in
the dictionary, but it was a phrase that
Manley P.
Hall used.
Mike called back in again, and he wanted
to know what you knew about Krishnamurti.
Why don't you tell our listeners about Krishnamurti?
Are you asking me or Mike?
Right, you.
Mike called in, wanted to know about it,
and I think our listeners really need to
know who he was because he was a
very important individual in our contemporary history.
And, of course, they don't teach that in
their history books.
But then they don't teach anything much of
any significance except maybe about Marilyn Monroe.
I have sketchy knowledge of J.
Krishnamurti.
All right, well, basically he was the gentleman
who they were going to have as the
Christ.
He was going to be the Maitreya.
He was going to be the Christ who
was going to come to lead the world
to the New World Order.
And, of course, Annie Besant really had sort
of picked him to carry the mantle.
He was an Indian.
He had been raised as a guru there.
And he was a very attractive, a very
charismatic young man.
And he was brought to the United States
to accept the mantle to become the world
leader.
And, of course, everything was in place.
He was getting this tremendous buildup in the
media at that time, which they already had
a tremendous influence over because the people who
controlled our media even then were deeply involved
with the occult sciences.
And Krishnamurti one day came in and announced
to Annie Besant that he didn't want to
be the world leader.
And he didn't think that he didn't want
to spend his life that way.
He wanted to think of other things and
ways of spending his life.
And that, of course, set them back 80
years.
And this was about 1920, and maybe Mike
could correct me.
The dates I'm not too clear on.
But it was sometime during the early part
of the century when Krishnamurti was brought to
America from India to become the world leader.
Well, all this gets back to Plato's idea
of the so-called just ruler who will
rule the world.
Of course, from a Christian point of view,
we believe that this occult leader is going
to eventually be exposed to be not the
Christ, but the Antichrist.
And, of course, behind all of this is
the secret of secrets, which is, of course,
that there are two gods in the world.
There's the bad god, that's the god of
the Bible, and the good god, which, of
course, is the serpent.
And the serpent then, of course, works through
our lives.
And that is the one we should worship.
Well, believe me, I don't believe that at
all.
But that, of course, that it was in
the Garden of Eden that the serpent liberated
Adam.
That's the term that they used.
And, of course, because Adam transgressed against God's
instructions, why he was victorious.
Have you heard these ideas?
Oh, of course, yes, absolutely.
I mean, you have to get in them
to understand at all what these people are
talking about.
And, of course, they think that Lucifer is
the good god.
He is the angel of light.
Because he gives you freedom.
You can do whatever you want to.
You don't have these restraints.
What does God do?
God's got ten commandments, and they say, thou
shalt not kill, thou shalt not commit adultery.
He wants to take all the fun out
of life.
You can be free if you, of course,
go to the other side.
But the problem is that when you go
to the other side, you get chaos.
In fact, there is no freedom without God's
restraints.
Without restraints, there is no freedom.
If you try to use your own restraints,
forget it, because you're always going to do
the wrong thing.
If you know what God has said, then,
of course, he's laid it out very clearly
for you.
And you know right, and you know wrong.
And you don't want to be committing adultery.
Not only is it bad, it creates all
sorts of bad relationships, it gets you all
sorts of horrible diseases.
And people are dying today because they're violating
God's sexual laws.
They're there for our protection, not to take
away our fun, but to give us the
greatest satisfaction that we possibly could have.
And that is an intimate relationship with someone
that we love all of our lives.
But, of course, those ideas are totally rejected,
and increasingly rejected by our society today.
Well, William, we're sort of running out of
time.
We've got two or three minutes.
Why don't you sort of finish up your
thoughts and your ideas?
Once again, the book is available by calling
1-888-690-1277.
But why don't you give us your thoughts?
Well, I certainly appreciate the opportunity to express
some of these views tonight.
And it's been a wonderful time for me,
a great education.
I've learned several things from your callers, as
well as from you, Dr. Stan.
I certainly appreciate that.
And I just hope that everyone will continue
to keep an open mind, but also use
their own power of discernment here, because there's
just so much that's going on right now.
I just always encourage people to look within
their own heart, to keep it a heart
-centered place, don't let the mind kind of
take over, and just keep focused on the
light.
That's the best thing that we can do
right now.
And educate yourself.
Now, that's what you do.
And, of course, you did a great job.
I admire the extensive research you've done.
I think that I learned a lot just
from reading your book and from our conversations
this evening.
And I'll take a look at the other
book, and perhaps we can get you back
onto our program after I've had a chance
to do that.
But I ended up yesterday, I looked at
my son, and I said, Hey, I've got
two books I've got to read by tomorrow.
And so I was up, I want you
to know, I was up at 2 o
'clock this morning reading your book.
Oh, thank you.
Anyway, God bless you.
Thanks so very much for being here.
Thank you.
My pleasure.
Bye-bye.
Okay, fine.
Well, this has been an entirely different type
of program.
And I hope that you're out there in
the listening audience have enjoyed it as much
as I have, because this is the information,
you need to know it.
It's foundational to an understanding of the very
real spiritual battle in which we're engaged in.
This month's newsletter, we simply give you the
quotations from Manley P.
Hall for his lectures on ancient philosophy and
his books, what the ancient wisdom expects of
his disciples.
Who was Manley P.
Hall?
Well, according to the Masons, he was the
leading Masonic philosopher of all time.
So you ought to know about what he's
writing about.
In fact, he wrote many of these books
before he ever became a Mason.
But he understood the ancient philosophy, and of
course, he was a 33rd degree Mason at
the time he died, lauded, applauded by these
people, because they understand that there is the
secret knowledge, there are the secret organizations, and
it's not just Masonry, it's theosophy, Rosicrucianism, the
Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, the
Skull and Bones.
We can go into a myriad of secret
and covert organizations that are out there.
All have one goal, or two goals in
common, I should say.
One, a one world government.
The novo ordo seclorum that's described on the
back of your dollar bill.
The other, of course, is the destruction of
Christianity and Christendom, and supplanting it with a
one world religion.
And increasingly you're going to hear about how
intolerant Christianity is.
Why, Christianity says it's the only way, just
because Jesus said, I am the way and
the truth and the life, and no man
cometh unto the Lord except through me.
Isn't that an intolerant position?
I don't think it's intolerant at all.
I believe that there is only one way
to know our Lord, and that is through
the pathway of Christianity.
If you don't believe it, that, of course,
is your choice.
But one of these days, all of us
are going to stand before the throne of
judgment, and if you were to actually die
tomorrow, are you certain you'd go to heaven?
If you were to stand before the throne
of God, and he asked you, what right
do you have to come into heaven, what
would your answer be?
I've been a good person.
None of us have really been good enough
to be worthy of God's justice, because all
of us have sinned and come short of
the glory of God.
And, of course, our hope is in Christ's
sacrifice for us, Christ's salvation, and being the
sacrifice for our sins.
That's the simple message of Christianity, and all
you really need to do, if you do
not have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ,
is get down on your knees and say,
Lord, I'm a sinner.
Come and take over my life.
I know I can't do it alone.
And you'd be amazed.
I did that some 37 years ago, and
my life has never been the same again.
Try it.
And until tomorrow evening at the same time,
Dr. Stan, good night, and may the Lord
be with you.