1 00:00:00,310 --> 00:00:01,550 Obviously, of course, I want to thank you 2 00:00:01,550 --> 00:00:03,230 for taking the time to get together and 3 00:00:03,230 --> 00:00:03,750 hang out with us. 4 00:00:03,870 --> 00:00:05,270 It's a huge blessing. 5 00:00:06,250 --> 00:00:08,030 But just real quick at the beginning, could 6 00:00:08,030 --> 00:00:09,150 you share a bit about your walk with 7 00:00:09,150 --> 00:00:10,790 the Lord and how He brought you into 8 00:00:10,790 --> 00:00:11,590 this ministry? 9 00:00:12,730 --> 00:00:12,990 Yeah. 10 00:00:15,530 --> 00:00:17,290 I was opening up preaching for about 10 11 00:00:17,290 --> 00:00:17,570 years. 12 00:00:17,750 --> 00:00:18,750 That's a really long sermon. 13 00:00:21,370 --> 00:00:24,770 And you probably know that I stumbled on 14 00:00:24,770 --> 00:00:26,090 the use of the law and evangelism. 15 00:00:26,090 --> 00:00:28,570 The thing that caused it was a portion 16 00:00:28,570 --> 00:00:29,970 of a sermon by Charles Spurgeon. 17 00:00:31,290 --> 00:00:32,910 Take this and share this portion. 18 00:00:33,610 --> 00:00:35,770 This is what I read Spurgeon said. 19 00:00:35,910 --> 00:00:38,270 He said, Soul, you will find it a 20 00:00:38,270 --> 00:00:40,810 hard thing to go at war with the 21 00:00:40,810 --> 00:00:41,070 law. 22 00:00:41,570 --> 00:00:43,490 When the law came in peace, Sinai was 23 00:00:43,490 --> 00:00:45,450 altogether on a smoke, and even Moses said, 24 00:00:45,550 --> 00:00:46,910 I exceedingly fear and quake. 25 00:00:47,310 --> 00:00:49,130 What will you do when the law comes 26 00:00:49,130 --> 00:00:49,690 in terror? 27 00:00:49,690 --> 00:00:52,490 When the trumpet of the archangel shall tear 28 00:00:52,490 --> 00:00:53,950 you from your grave, and the eyes of 29 00:00:53,950 --> 00:00:55,590 God shall burn their way into your guilty 30 00:00:55,590 --> 00:00:55,950 soul. 31 00:00:56,170 --> 00:00:57,830 When the great book shall be opened, and 32 00:00:57,830 --> 00:00:59,430 all your sin and shame shall be punished. 33 00:00:59,730 --> 00:01:02,070 Can you stand against an angry law in 34 00:01:02,070 --> 00:01:02,590 that day? 35 00:01:03,810 --> 00:01:06,410 I remember looking at that sermon and thinking, 36 00:01:06,750 --> 00:01:08,250 boy, that's a little different from God loves 37 00:01:08,250 --> 00:01:09,450 you and has a wonderful plan for your 38 00:01:09,450 --> 00:01:09,690 life. 39 00:01:10,490 --> 00:01:13,070 And so that was the seed thought. 40 00:01:13,270 --> 00:01:14,890 What is Spurgeon doing? 41 00:01:16,610 --> 00:01:19,890 And I thought, he's using God's law to 42 00:01:19,890 --> 00:01:21,570 cause a sinner to tremble and come to 43 00:01:21,570 --> 00:01:21,870 Christ. 44 00:01:22,030 --> 00:01:23,530 And I stuck that in the back of 45 00:01:23,530 --> 00:01:24,490 my mind. 46 00:01:25,150 --> 00:01:27,130 And then about two days later, I was 47 00:01:27,130 --> 00:01:27,970 reading Galatians. 48 00:01:28,390 --> 00:01:31,090 Galatians 3.24, wherefore the law was our 49 00:01:31,090 --> 00:01:32,310 schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. 50 00:01:32,370 --> 00:01:33,430 But I didn't read it as that. 51 00:01:33,490 --> 00:01:35,570 In my mind, I read it as, wherefore 52 00:01:35,570 --> 00:01:38,590 the law was our schoolmaster to bring Israel 53 00:01:38,590 --> 00:01:39,150 to Christ. 54 00:01:39,590 --> 00:01:40,450 That's how I read it. 55 00:01:40,490 --> 00:01:41,930 I thought, yes, just talking about history. 56 00:01:41,930 --> 00:01:43,730 And I thought, it doesn't say that. 57 00:01:43,790 --> 00:01:44,850 And I thought, wow, I wonder if it 58 00:01:44,850 --> 00:01:46,510 is legitimate to use the law as a 59 00:01:46,510 --> 00:01:48,250 schoolmaster to bring sinners to Christ in a 60 00:01:48,250 --> 00:01:48,690 vandalism. 61 00:01:49,350 --> 00:01:51,890 So I ran out, found a sinner, experimented 62 00:01:51,890 --> 00:01:52,110 on him. 63 00:01:52,750 --> 00:01:54,050 The guy just got blown away. 64 00:01:54,210 --> 00:01:55,550 He just stood up and he said, I've 65 00:01:55,550 --> 00:01:56,990 never heard that put so clearly in all 66 00:01:56,990 --> 00:01:57,330 my life. 67 00:01:57,470 --> 00:01:58,550 And I thought, whoa. 68 00:01:59,190 --> 00:02:00,490 It just brought the knowledge to sin. 69 00:02:00,650 --> 00:02:02,470 It was a schoolmaster to teach him. 70 00:02:03,150 --> 00:02:06,510 And so I studied literature, Spurgeon, Wesley, and 71 00:02:06,510 --> 00:02:07,430 others that God used. 72 00:02:08,110 --> 00:02:09,630 Found the law was always there. 73 00:02:09,630 --> 00:02:11,790 And I thought, boy, I'm going to be 74 00:02:11,790 --> 00:02:13,550 separated as a legalist because I had a 75 00:02:13,550 --> 00:02:14,830 reasonably respected ministry. 76 00:02:14,990 --> 00:02:17,110 And if I start preaching this law stuff 77 00:02:17,110 --> 00:02:19,430 from the pulpit, they're going to say, legalist. 78 00:02:19,690 --> 00:02:21,110 But the exact opposite happened. 79 00:02:21,310 --> 00:02:22,230 Doors just opened up. 80 00:02:22,430 --> 00:02:23,690 Got invites to Hawaii. 81 00:02:24,510 --> 00:02:25,410 Passed from Hawaii. 82 00:02:26,050 --> 00:02:27,350 Was in Hawaii when I was. 83 00:02:27,410 --> 00:02:28,130 Listened to the teaching. 84 00:02:29,290 --> 00:02:31,210 Was convinced it was of God when he 85 00:02:31,210 --> 00:02:31,750 studied scripture. 86 00:02:31,830 --> 00:02:32,930 He wasn't convinced at first. 87 00:02:33,490 --> 00:02:35,150 And then he invited us to base our 88 00:02:35,150 --> 00:02:36,350 ministry in Southern California. 89 00:02:36,350 --> 00:02:39,430 And then doors opened up after three years. 90 00:02:39,510 --> 00:02:40,390 Waiting for three years. 91 00:02:40,530 --> 00:02:43,390 Doing dumb things like producing dumb books. 92 00:02:46,790 --> 00:02:48,870 I can't explain the stupid things I was 93 00:02:48,870 --> 00:02:49,230 getting into. 94 00:02:49,390 --> 00:02:51,850 I wrote a book called You've Got to 95 00:02:51,850 --> 00:02:52,370 be Choking. 96 00:02:52,850 --> 00:02:55,030 About the smog in L.A. It was 97 00:02:55,030 --> 00:02:57,370 just a cartoon book of skydivers and that 98 00:02:57,370 --> 00:02:58,330 getting caught up in the clouds. 99 00:02:58,450 --> 00:02:59,590 It didn't make it through because of the 100 00:02:59,590 --> 00:02:59,870 smog. 101 00:03:00,470 --> 00:03:01,570 It's just silly things like that. 102 00:03:01,570 --> 00:03:04,030 So I think God said, Angel of the 103 00:03:04,030 --> 00:03:05,330 Lord, get in there and do something for 104 00:03:05,330 --> 00:03:05,630 company. 105 00:03:05,790 --> 00:03:07,530 He's gone nuts while he's waiting. 106 00:03:08,410 --> 00:03:09,830 So then doors opened up. 107 00:03:09,870 --> 00:03:11,750 Dave Wilkerson and Bill Gothard and others. 108 00:03:11,910 --> 00:03:14,050 But the big boost came when Kirk Cameron 109 00:03:14,050 --> 00:03:16,550 called our ministry three years ago this month. 110 00:03:18,690 --> 00:03:21,350 And God transformed him overnight through the teaching 111 00:03:21,350 --> 00:03:22,650 to a point where he said, I want 112 00:03:22,650 --> 00:03:24,750 to give my celebrity name to this ministry 113 00:03:24,750 --> 00:03:25,990 to get the teaching to the church. 114 00:03:26,570 --> 00:03:28,990 And probably about 15 times over a period 115 00:03:28,990 --> 00:03:30,190 of a year on the phone he said 116 00:03:30,190 --> 00:03:32,310 to me, How can we get this teaching 117 00:03:32,310 --> 00:03:33,010 to the church? 118 00:03:33,190 --> 00:03:33,930 How can we do it? 119 00:03:34,470 --> 00:03:35,650 And I just said to him, Welcome to 120 00:03:35,650 --> 00:03:36,450 Club Frustration. 121 00:03:36,570 --> 00:03:37,570 I've been trying to get it for 20 122 00:03:37,570 --> 00:03:37,870 years. 123 00:03:38,790 --> 00:03:42,550 But the big breakthrough came when we got 124 00:03:42,550 --> 00:03:45,830 the teaching onto TBN, Christian television. 125 00:03:47,530 --> 00:03:49,530 And Kirk preached Hell's Best Keep Secret word 126 00:03:49,530 --> 00:03:49,870 for word. 127 00:03:49,950 --> 00:03:51,350 Our website got over a million hits in 128 00:03:51,350 --> 00:03:51,750 one day. 129 00:03:52,430 --> 00:03:53,910 And from there it's just exploded. 130 00:03:54,170 --> 00:03:56,010 TBN said their ratings went through the roof. 131 00:03:57,110 --> 00:03:58,810 Would he come back and host the show? 132 00:03:58,810 --> 00:04:00,650 And he said, No, but I'll tell you 133 00:04:00,650 --> 00:04:01,210 what we'll do. 134 00:04:01,350 --> 00:04:03,110 We'll produce a television show that brings these 135 00:04:03,110 --> 00:04:03,870 principles out. 136 00:04:04,110 --> 00:04:06,290 And we'll make it available to you independently. 137 00:04:07,210 --> 00:04:08,130 And so that's what we did. 138 00:04:08,230 --> 00:04:11,550 And it won People's Choice Award, 2004 People's 139 00:04:11,550 --> 00:04:12,050 Choice Award. 140 00:04:12,170 --> 00:04:13,490 And we're into the second season and planning 141 00:04:13,490 --> 00:04:13,890 a third. 142 00:04:15,130 --> 00:04:18,490 And for me it's so exciting because God 143 00:04:18,490 --> 00:04:20,769 knows for years I've looked at huge crusades 144 00:04:21,930 --> 00:04:24,030 where a well-known evangelist or whatever would 145 00:04:24,030 --> 00:04:26,110 stand up and preach to 80,000 people 146 00:04:26,110 --> 00:04:27,810 in a combined church crusade. 147 00:04:27,810 --> 00:04:30,070 And I'd think to myself, that crowd of 148 00:04:30,070 --> 00:04:31,710 80,000 people in the stadium is made 149 00:04:31,710 --> 00:04:32,750 up of combined churches. 150 00:04:33,290 --> 00:04:36,010 There's probably 200 churches there with a certain 151 00:04:36,010 --> 00:04:38,090 amount of people from each supporting this crusade. 152 00:04:38,810 --> 00:04:41,270 So odds are probably 10% are unsaved. 153 00:04:41,950 --> 00:04:43,750 So wouldn't it be better to preach to 154 00:04:43,750 --> 00:04:45,830 the 90% that are Christians and say, 155 00:04:45,930 --> 00:04:46,870 Why aren't you evangelizing? 156 00:04:47,090 --> 00:04:48,890 Challenge them as their moral responsibility. 157 00:04:49,850 --> 00:04:50,430 Equip them. 158 00:04:50,970 --> 00:04:52,970 And then preach the gospel of the 10%. 159 00:04:53,450 --> 00:04:55,870 Because Bill Brighton's book, The Cunningham Revival, said 160 00:04:55,870 --> 00:04:57,570 only 2% of the contemporary church share 161 00:04:57,570 --> 00:04:59,330 their faith regularly with others in the U 162 00:04:59,330 --> 00:05:01,750 .S. So that 90% needs to be 163 00:05:01,750 --> 00:05:04,230 stirred up to do what they should and 164 00:05:04,230 --> 00:05:06,050 to realize that if you let a child 165 00:05:06,050 --> 00:05:08,190 drown beside you, it's called depraved indifference. 166 00:05:08,430 --> 00:05:11,250 And how 98% of the church is 167 00:05:11,250 --> 00:05:13,750 guilty of the sin of depraved indifference and 168 00:05:13,750 --> 00:05:14,410 the need to be challenged. 169 00:05:14,670 --> 00:05:15,830 So that's what I wanted to do. 170 00:05:16,290 --> 00:05:18,430 But what God's done is exceeding abundantly far 171 00:05:18,430 --> 00:05:19,710 above all I could ask or think. 172 00:05:20,470 --> 00:05:22,190 Our program just isn't going to 80,000 173 00:05:22,190 --> 00:05:22,510 people. 174 00:05:22,630 --> 00:05:24,050 It goes to 70 countries. 175 00:05:24,050 --> 00:05:27,010 And it's been repeated four times on TV 176 00:05:27,010 --> 00:05:27,690 just this year. 177 00:05:27,810 --> 00:05:29,670 And five other major networks have picked it 178 00:05:29,670 --> 00:05:29,830 up. 179 00:05:30,910 --> 00:05:34,370 So it makes me smile because I could 180 00:05:34,370 --> 00:05:36,710 never have gone onto Christian television and said 181 00:05:36,710 --> 00:05:38,050 the things I'm able to say. 182 00:05:38,630 --> 00:05:41,330 And that's because it's comfort wrapped in Cameron. 183 00:05:41,910 --> 00:05:46,330 It's jalapeno coated in candy. 184 00:05:47,390 --> 00:05:48,910 Cameron, movie star. 185 00:05:50,310 --> 00:05:51,190 Come in. 186 00:05:51,330 --> 00:05:52,050 Who's this guy with you? 187 00:05:52,050 --> 00:05:52,530 It doesn't matter. 188 00:05:52,630 --> 00:05:53,170 We like you. 189 00:05:55,030 --> 00:06:00,110 So it's been a wonderful blessing and something 190 00:06:00,110 --> 00:06:02,010 that makes me continually smile at what God's 191 00:06:02,010 --> 00:06:02,150 done. 192 00:06:03,070 --> 00:06:04,210 Can you turn this on now? 193 00:06:04,630 --> 00:06:04,970 It's on. 194 00:06:05,070 --> 00:06:05,430 Oh, good. 195 00:06:11,030 --> 00:06:13,270 I think it goes into it, segues into 196 00:06:13,270 --> 00:06:16,130 it, but how you're talking about how Bill 197 00:06:16,130 --> 00:06:18,550 Bright commented that maybe less than 2% 198 00:06:18,550 --> 00:06:20,870 or 2% of Christians actively share their 199 00:06:20,870 --> 00:06:22,090 faith on a regular basis. 200 00:06:25,410 --> 00:06:27,970 From many men of God in the past, 201 00:06:28,170 --> 00:06:33,070 even like Tozer, Leonard Ravenhill, Bhagat Singh. 202 00:06:33,430 --> 00:06:34,530 I don't know if you're familiar with him. 203 00:06:37,550 --> 00:06:40,650 But they gave some numbers where on the 204 00:06:40,650 --> 00:06:45,770 average they'd said about 5% of Christians 205 00:06:45,770 --> 00:06:46,570 are saved. 206 00:06:48,930 --> 00:06:50,890 In America, talking about specifically. 207 00:06:52,150 --> 00:06:53,230 Do you think that could be true? 208 00:06:53,390 --> 00:06:55,250 What would explain the reason so many Christians 209 00:06:55,250 --> 00:06:56,870 who claim to be Christians are living like 210 00:06:56,870 --> 00:06:57,230 the world? 211 00:06:58,750 --> 00:07:00,610 Yeah, what we've done is open the straight 212 00:07:00,610 --> 00:07:02,410 gate and said it's wide and easy to 213 00:07:02,410 --> 00:07:03,010 become a Christian. 214 00:07:03,110 --> 00:07:04,150 When Jesus said the opposite. 215 00:07:04,350 --> 00:07:07,550 He said, agonize and strive to enter the 216 00:07:07,550 --> 00:07:08,030 straight gate. 217 00:07:08,750 --> 00:07:10,210 And when Peter said, how many will be 218 00:07:10,210 --> 00:07:10,490 saved? 219 00:07:10,570 --> 00:07:11,810 Jesus said, few in the world will be 220 00:07:11,810 --> 00:07:12,150 saved. 221 00:07:12,510 --> 00:07:13,810 And I think it's interesting if you look 222 00:07:13,810 --> 00:07:14,210 at that scripture. 223 00:07:14,470 --> 00:07:16,130 Strive to enter the straight gate, for straight 224 00:07:16,130 --> 00:07:17,290 is the gate and narrow is the way 225 00:07:17,290 --> 00:07:18,070 that leads to life. 226 00:07:18,130 --> 00:07:19,050 And few that be that find it. 227 00:07:19,490 --> 00:07:21,470 And then Jesus said, because broad is the 228 00:07:21,470 --> 00:07:22,990 road that leads to destruction or the path. 229 00:07:23,870 --> 00:07:26,050 So people that don't enter the straight gate 230 00:07:26,050 --> 00:07:28,110 go into the wide gate. 231 00:07:28,250 --> 00:07:28,970 It's false conversion. 232 00:07:29,110 --> 00:07:30,570 And there are multitudes out there that say, 233 00:07:30,570 --> 00:07:31,010 I'm a Christian. 234 00:07:31,190 --> 00:07:31,910 Yeah, I love the Lord. 235 00:07:31,970 --> 00:07:33,350 And they'll blaspheme in the next sentence. 236 00:07:34,090 --> 00:07:35,270 Their lives don't match their claims. 237 00:07:35,370 --> 00:07:36,950 And it's something that should greatly alarm all 238 00:07:36,950 --> 00:07:37,650 of us that are Christians. 239 00:07:39,230 --> 00:07:41,210 And we've got a program coming out called 240 00:07:41,210 --> 00:07:42,950 True and False Conversion that we deal with 241 00:07:42,950 --> 00:07:44,190 the whole thing and speak to it. 242 00:07:44,350 --> 00:07:47,070 And show people being interviewed that say, I'm 243 00:07:47,070 --> 00:07:47,410 a Christian. 244 00:07:47,530 --> 00:07:48,170 Blank, me blank. 245 00:07:48,330 --> 00:07:49,350 Blame their living and lust. 246 00:07:49,770 --> 00:07:50,490 All sorts of things. 247 00:07:50,570 --> 00:07:51,350 Just terrible stuff. 248 00:07:52,610 --> 00:07:55,370 And what's happened is that the contemporary church 249 00:07:55,370 --> 00:07:56,430 has lost the fear of God. 250 00:07:56,550 --> 00:07:58,990 We have seeker-sensitive churches that drop anything 251 00:07:58,990 --> 00:07:59,470 offensive. 252 00:08:00,810 --> 00:08:02,930 Christians that say, well, you know, people don't 253 00:08:02,930 --> 00:08:04,350 understand what repentance means. 254 00:08:04,730 --> 00:08:05,910 Well, tell them. 255 00:08:06,450 --> 00:08:07,950 Don't dumb down to them. 256 00:08:08,350 --> 00:08:08,970 Educate them. 257 00:08:09,090 --> 00:08:11,050 Lift them up and say, repentance is this. 258 00:08:12,030 --> 00:08:13,970 And so they drop words that offend and 259 00:08:13,970 --> 00:08:15,690 words that non-Christians don't understand. 260 00:08:16,370 --> 00:08:17,990 Well, there's the offense of the cross, the 261 00:08:17,990 --> 00:08:19,530 offense of the name of Jesus. 262 00:08:19,690 --> 00:08:20,390 We didn't drop that. 263 00:08:21,630 --> 00:08:23,070 So I think we need to get the 264 00:08:23,070 --> 00:08:24,390 fear of God back into the church. 265 00:08:24,490 --> 00:08:25,490 And the way to do that is to 266 00:08:25,490 --> 00:08:26,110 preach the law. 267 00:08:27,190 --> 00:08:29,070 It tends to do that when you realize 268 00:08:29,070 --> 00:08:31,090 God's holiness and His perfect standards. 269 00:08:31,510 --> 00:08:32,970 Which are exemplified in the law. 270 00:08:32,970 --> 00:08:34,210 It tends to produce the fear of the 271 00:08:34,210 --> 00:08:34,929 Lord in your heart. 272 00:08:35,549 --> 00:08:37,710 And makes you realize that all His judgments 273 00:08:37,710 --> 00:08:38,929 are righteous and true altogether. 274 00:08:39,190 --> 00:08:40,190 And we have to stand before Him on 275 00:08:40,190 --> 00:08:40,850 the day of judgment. 276 00:08:41,390 --> 00:08:43,450 And I've been living in Ezekiel 33 for 277 00:08:43,450 --> 00:08:45,150 the past three or four nights. 278 00:08:45,230 --> 00:08:46,150 And it's just so powerful. 279 00:08:46,930 --> 00:08:48,730 You know, you say to the wicked, when 280 00:08:48,730 --> 00:08:51,030 God says to the wicked to warn them. 281 00:08:51,430 --> 00:08:52,790 And you don't, then you're guilty of His 282 00:08:52,790 --> 00:08:53,110 blood. 283 00:08:53,410 --> 00:08:54,950 We're to lift up our voices, the trumpet. 284 00:08:55,490 --> 00:08:57,650 And show these people their transgression. 285 00:08:58,630 --> 00:08:59,790 And to warn them. 286 00:08:59,790 --> 00:09:01,590 And it says, turn. 287 00:09:02,290 --> 00:09:03,590 Turn from your ways. 288 00:09:03,690 --> 00:09:04,830 It doesn't say change your mind. 289 00:09:05,230 --> 00:09:07,530 Which is what repentance is defined as by 290 00:09:07,530 --> 00:09:08,370 many contemporaries. 291 00:09:08,530 --> 00:09:09,170 Just change your mind. 292 00:09:09,590 --> 00:09:11,250 No, it means turn from your wicked ways. 293 00:09:11,710 --> 00:09:13,190 Let the wicked forsake his way in the 294 00:09:13,190 --> 00:09:14,170 unrighteous man's thoughts. 295 00:09:15,030 --> 00:09:18,810 So there needs to be some thunder of 296 00:09:18,810 --> 00:09:20,950 Sinai and flashes of lightning to bring the 297 00:09:20,950 --> 00:09:22,310 fear of God back into the church. 298 00:09:22,530 --> 00:09:25,210 And it's the law that does that. 299 00:09:26,850 --> 00:09:28,530 Do you think there's a need for a 300 00:09:28,530 --> 00:09:29,350 revival in the church? 301 00:09:29,610 --> 00:09:30,950 I mean, we're kind of talking about that. 302 00:09:30,970 --> 00:09:31,690 Yeah, absolutely. 303 00:09:33,470 --> 00:09:34,890 What are the reasons though? 304 00:09:34,910 --> 00:09:36,050 What are a couple of the reasons that 305 00:09:36,050 --> 00:09:36,370 you think? 306 00:09:36,450 --> 00:09:37,790 I know we've touched on all this stuff. 307 00:09:38,030 --> 00:09:38,250 Yeah. 308 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,740 Or I think maybe better yet, I think 309 00:09:45,740 --> 00:09:47,040 we're all agreed on that there's a need 310 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:48,100 for a revival in the church. 311 00:09:48,300 --> 00:09:49,220 What you're talking about. 312 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:49,660 Yeah. 313 00:09:49,780 --> 00:09:53,180 But what do you think are some of 314 00:09:53,180 --> 00:09:55,320 the ways that could be used to bring 315 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:55,600 that? 316 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:56,520 Bring about a revival? 317 00:09:56,700 --> 00:09:56,900 Yeah. 318 00:09:56,900 --> 00:09:58,800 Yeah, I love what A.W. Pink said. 319 00:09:59,460 --> 00:10:01,200 He said, It is true that many are 320 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:02,920 praying for worldwide revival. 321 00:10:03,820 --> 00:10:05,600 But it would be more relevant and more 322 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:06,960 scriptural for prayer to be made to the 323 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:08,060 Lord of the harvest, that He would raise 324 00:10:08,060 --> 00:10:09,200 up and thrust forth laborers. 325 00:10:09,620 --> 00:10:11,980 He will preach truths which are calculated to 326 00:10:11,980 --> 00:10:12,800 bring about a revival. 327 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,200 And what we have is a lot of 328 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:16,440 Christians say, We need revival. 329 00:10:16,680 --> 00:10:18,200 And they look on revival as being a 330 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:19,220 sovereign move of God. 331 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:21,780 And so they give the job of taking 332 00:10:21,780 --> 00:10:23,280 the gospel of every creature back to God 333 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:24,240 and says, We're going to stay here and 334 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:24,460 pray. 335 00:10:25,660 --> 00:10:26,760 And so what we've got to do is 336 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,320 put legs to our prayers and realize that 337 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,560 if we say, God, send revival, but we 338 00:10:31,560 --> 00:10:33,740 don't preach the gospel, we're saying, God, we 339 00:10:33,740 --> 00:10:34,980 know the gospel is the power of God 340 00:10:34,980 --> 00:10:36,420 to salvation, but we'll stay here and pray. 341 00:10:36,540 --> 00:10:38,860 We know how will they hear without a 342 00:10:38,860 --> 00:10:39,880 preacher, but we'll stay here and pray. 343 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:41,980 Because it's easier to talk to God about 344 00:10:41,980 --> 00:10:43,460 men than to talk to men about God. 345 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:46,480 And so we've got to discipline ourselves to 346 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:47,900 take the gospel of every creature as we're 347 00:10:47,900 --> 00:10:48,240 told to. 348 00:10:49,220 --> 00:10:50,960 And there's so few Christians that do that. 349 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,060 Still laborers are few. 350 00:10:58,310 --> 00:11:01,630 There's a lot of talk, obviously, about revival 351 00:11:01,630 --> 00:11:03,470 sweeping across North America and the world. 352 00:11:03,790 --> 00:11:05,150 And God's always moving. 353 00:11:05,770 --> 00:11:07,530 God's always working. 354 00:11:07,770 --> 00:11:08,870 God's word's going forth. 355 00:11:09,670 --> 00:11:14,290 But there's an opinion that the church is 356 00:11:14,290 --> 00:11:16,130 closer to God's judgment than it is to 357 00:11:16,130 --> 00:11:16,570 revival. 358 00:11:19,370 --> 00:11:21,190 Would you agree or disagree with that? 359 00:11:21,190 --> 00:11:24,070 A lot of people say revival is a 360 00:11:24,070 --> 00:11:25,970 whole lot of Christians praising the Lord. 361 00:11:28,650 --> 00:11:31,030 But revival is when a nation is transformed 362 00:11:31,030 --> 00:11:32,170 by the power of the gospel. 363 00:11:33,490 --> 00:11:35,070 And if the average church made as much 364 00:11:35,070 --> 00:11:37,990 noise about God on Monday as they do 365 00:11:37,990 --> 00:11:40,070 to God on Sunday, we'd see revival. 366 00:11:40,810 --> 00:11:42,370 They tend to be praising the Lord, hands 367 00:11:42,370 --> 00:11:44,750 raised, and not lifting their hands out to 368 00:11:44,750 --> 00:11:46,270 the unsaved and pulling them from the fire 369 00:11:46,270 --> 00:11:46,690 on Monday. 370 00:11:47,870 --> 00:11:49,850 I remember sitting in a plane once and 371 00:11:49,850 --> 00:11:51,890 two girls walked down the plane wearing gospel 372 00:11:51,890 --> 00:11:52,590 t-shirts. 373 00:11:53,410 --> 00:11:54,970 And I said, are you gospel singers? 374 00:11:55,010 --> 00:11:56,350 They said, yes, we're Christians. 375 00:11:57,250 --> 00:11:58,090 I said, oh yeah. 376 00:11:58,310 --> 00:12:00,050 And she put her earphones on and I 377 00:12:00,050 --> 00:12:01,470 sat there waiting for her to witness to 378 00:12:01,470 --> 00:12:02,210 me for about an hour. 379 00:12:02,310 --> 00:12:03,010 Nothing happened. 380 00:12:03,510 --> 00:12:04,190 So I tapped her. 381 00:12:04,250 --> 00:12:05,090 I said, what are you doing? 382 00:12:05,170 --> 00:12:05,770 Listening to music. 383 00:12:06,130 --> 00:12:07,490 I said, how can I get to heaven? 384 00:12:07,610 --> 00:12:08,370 She said, I don't know. 385 00:12:08,430 --> 00:12:09,270 You don't want to go to hell and 386 00:12:09,270 --> 00:12:10,510 then put the earphones back on. 387 00:12:11,430 --> 00:12:13,290 And I thought, boy, that's just typical of 388 00:12:13,290 --> 00:12:14,150 the contemporary church. 389 00:12:14,970 --> 00:12:16,130 They just love the music. 390 00:12:16,130 --> 00:12:17,390 They love the fellowship. 391 00:12:17,690 --> 00:12:20,070 They love everything except obedience to God's word. 392 00:12:21,090 --> 00:12:22,790 And so those that are like that need 393 00:12:22,790 --> 00:12:24,270 to examine themselves and see if they're in 394 00:12:24,270 --> 00:12:27,690 the faith and then begin desiring to see 395 00:12:27,690 --> 00:12:29,870 true revival and bring it about with God's 396 00:12:29,870 --> 00:12:31,410 help because the power is in the gospel, 397 00:12:31,970 --> 00:12:32,890 the transformation. 398 00:12:34,950 --> 00:12:36,990 We know a brother in Christ that has 399 00:12:36,990 --> 00:12:38,850 the burden to see every church get active 400 00:12:38,850 --> 00:12:40,430 on the streets of their city daily and 401 00:12:40,430 --> 00:12:45,310 track distribution and preaching and caring for the 402 00:12:45,310 --> 00:12:45,770 homeless. 403 00:12:46,650 --> 00:12:47,930 Do you think that's too extreme? 404 00:12:48,110 --> 00:12:49,630 Should everybody be doing that? 405 00:12:50,170 --> 00:12:51,210 I love what Spurgeon said. 406 00:12:51,690 --> 00:12:53,670 He said, more of a case has to 407 00:12:53,670 --> 00:12:55,110 be made for staying in the church than 408 00:12:55,110 --> 00:12:56,150 preaching outside it. 409 00:12:58,230 --> 00:13:00,430 And I thank God the disciples didn't stay 410 00:13:00,430 --> 00:13:01,550 in the upper room and have a glory 411 00:13:01,550 --> 00:13:05,370 session, a healing meeting or a worship service. 412 00:13:05,510 --> 00:13:06,530 They went up in the air like they 413 00:13:06,530 --> 00:13:07,090 were told to. 414 00:13:07,550 --> 00:13:11,870 And so definitely we need to break down 415 00:13:11,870 --> 00:13:13,270 the walls of the church and get out 416 00:13:13,270 --> 00:13:13,410 there. 417 00:13:13,530 --> 00:13:14,530 Instead of being a whole lot of monks 418 00:13:14,530 --> 00:13:17,630 and monkettes fellowshiping together in this monastery without 419 00:13:17,630 --> 00:13:19,930 walls that we call a church. 420 00:13:21,050 --> 00:13:23,210 We preach the gospel every day out here 421 00:13:23,210 --> 00:13:24,670 in the courts. 422 00:13:25,270 --> 00:13:27,870 To count that just a wonderful privilege and 423 00:13:27,870 --> 00:13:28,990 we come back. 424 00:13:29,150 --> 00:13:33,190 We call it dragging feet, clicking heels ministry. 425 00:13:33,390 --> 00:13:34,610 Every day we've got to preach we're dragging 426 00:13:34,610 --> 00:13:35,050 our feet. 427 00:13:35,530 --> 00:13:36,770 You get the negative thoughts. 428 00:13:37,310 --> 00:13:38,830 Every day we come back clicking our heels. 429 00:13:39,930 --> 00:13:41,290 People listen and it was great. 430 00:13:41,710 --> 00:13:42,790 Got a heckler this morning. 431 00:13:42,950 --> 00:13:44,350 Some guy was saying blankety blank. 432 00:13:44,470 --> 00:13:46,170 He said, this isn't church, it's court. 433 00:13:46,250 --> 00:13:47,090 I said, it is church. 434 00:13:47,490 --> 00:13:48,570 He said, church is on Sunday. 435 00:13:48,670 --> 00:13:49,430 I said, no it's not. 436 00:13:49,550 --> 00:13:50,910 Church is on Wednesday today. 437 00:13:55,550 --> 00:13:57,350 So it's a great privilege we have and 438 00:13:57,350 --> 00:13:59,870 it's something we need to take incredibly seriously. 439 00:14:00,750 --> 00:14:05,470 Because we have a moral obligation to those 440 00:14:05,470 --> 00:14:06,850 that are around us to take the gospel 441 00:14:06,850 --> 00:14:07,370 to them. 442 00:14:07,550 --> 00:14:09,030 I think of what Paul said to Timothy 443 00:14:09,030 --> 00:14:12,270 where he said, nowhere does scripture, correct me 444 00:14:12,270 --> 00:14:14,150 if I'm wrong, does it say that Paul 445 00:14:14,150 --> 00:14:17,450 was gifted as an evangelist, but Paul told 446 00:14:17,450 --> 00:14:19,210 him to do the work of an evangelist. 447 00:14:19,230 --> 00:14:19,890 Yeah, just do it. 448 00:14:19,990 --> 00:14:20,770 Just do it, right. 449 00:14:21,170 --> 00:14:21,590 Absolutely. 450 00:14:23,590 --> 00:14:27,770 I guess maybe the last thing is, I'm 451 00:14:27,770 --> 00:14:29,610 real familiar with, Greg's kind of familiar with 452 00:14:29,610 --> 00:14:30,030 your ministry. 453 00:14:30,150 --> 00:14:31,330 I'm really familiar with it. 454 00:14:31,550 --> 00:14:33,210 You can tell because you're finishing my sentences. 455 00:14:36,050 --> 00:14:40,520 Is there, like you said, the last few 456 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:41,760 days have been Ezekiel 33. 457 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:44,940 Is that, what's the Lord been showing you 458 00:14:44,940 --> 00:14:46,000 personally just today? 459 00:14:46,260 --> 00:14:49,180 Where do you find your heart, your mind 460 00:14:49,180 --> 00:14:50,580 being drawn to as you look into the 461 00:14:50,580 --> 00:14:50,820 Lord? 462 00:14:51,980 --> 00:14:53,280 What's going on in your heart today? 463 00:14:53,980 --> 00:14:55,100 Just the same as always. 464 00:14:55,100 --> 00:14:56,720 I just do everything I can, every ounce 465 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:57,240 of energy. 466 00:14:57,780 --> 00:14:59,600 Every ounce of energy I have to reach 467 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:00,820 the lost in any way I can. 468 00:15:03,510 --> 00:15:04,890 We have new books coming out. 469 00:15:04,970 --> 00:15:06,230 One's called How to Bring Your Children to 470 00:15:06,230 --> 00:15:07,730 Christ, or Child of Christ, and keep them 471 00:15:07,730 --> 00:15:07,970 there. 472 00:15:08,630 --> 00:15:10,030 I know we can't keep our children there. 473 00:15:10,050 --> 00:15:11,290 That's the job of the Lord. 474 00:15:11,330 --> 00:15:14,650 We can't bring our children to Christ, but 475 00:15:14,650 --> 00:15:19,090 to say how to faithfully preach the gospel, 476 00:15:19,350 --> 00:15:20,870 the seed of God's word, and have God 477 00:15:20,870 --> 00:15:23,790 water it in His faithfulness, save those that 478 00:15:23,790 --> 00:15:26,050 call upon His name, and then He'll keep 479 00:15:26,050 --> 00:15:27,270 them through the power of His Holy Spirit. 480 00:15:27,430 --> 00:15:28,750 That was a bit long for a book 481 00:15:28,750 --> 00:15:29,030 title. 482 00:15:30,750 --> 00:15:31,970 So we cut it back to that. 483 00:15:32,450 --> 00:15:33,910 And there's another book coming out called What 484 00:15:33,910 --> 00:15:34,910 Did Jesus Do? 485 00:15:36,750 --> 00:15:40,290 And it's the unscripture nature of the seeker 486 00:15:40,290 --> 00:15:44,310 -sensitive message and how Jesus preached future punishment 487 00:15:44,310 --> 00:15:44,790 law. 488 00:15:45,210 --> 00:15:46,830 James preached future punishment law. 489 00:15:47,270 --> 00:15:47,770 Jude did. 490 00:15:48,590 --> 00:15:49,210 Peter did. 491 00:15:49,290 --> 00:15:49,830 All these stories. 492 00:15:50,030 --> 00:15:51,470 Book of Acts, people have written to me 493 00:15:51,470 --> 00:15:54,190 and said, No, we're in the Book of 494 00:15:54,190 --> 00:15:54,430 Acts. 495 00:15:54,510 --> 00:15:55,190 It's the law used. 496 00:15:55,290 --> 00:15:56,810 So I send back examples. 497 00:15:57,450 --> 00:15:58,390 And they go, Oh, I'm sorry. 498 00:15:58,530 --> 00:15:59,030 There it is. 499 00:16:02,950 --> 00:16:05,190 I used to have a Beatle V-Dub, 500 00:16:06,150 --> 00:16:07,590 and I didn't see any on the streets 501 00:16:07,590 --> 00:16:08,230 until I got one. 502 00:16:08,290 --> 00:16:09,650 Then when I got one, everywhere I looked, 503 00:16:09,730 --> 00:16:10,170 there they were. 504 00:16:10,550 --> 00:16:11,690 It's because I had a mind to look 505 00:16:11,690 --> 00:16:12,010 for them. 506 00:16:12,570 --> 00:16:14,070 And it's the same with once you understand 507 00:16:14,070 --> 00:16:17,090 the function of the law, then you see 508 00:16:17,090 --> 00:16:17,970 it everywhere in Scripture. 509 00:16:18,190 --> 00:16:19,210 You see Jesus using it. 510 00:16:19,210 --> 00:16:21,790 You see Peter and Paul and James. 511 00:16:22,770 --> 00:16:25,370 And so that's what's in my heart, to 512 00:16:25,370 --> 00:16:27,970 equip Christians and challenge unsaved people and reach 513 00:16:27,970 --> 00:16:28,430 out to them. 514 00:16:29,490 --> 00:16:30,850 Because the key to reaching out to them 515 00:16:30,850 --> 00:16:31,890 is through Christians. 516 00:16:33,010 --> 00:16:34,890 I like what D.L. Moody said. 517 00:16:35,010 --> 00:16:36,390 He said, I'd rather send 1,000 to 518 00:16:36,390 --> 00:16:38,610 work than do the work of 1,000. 519 00:16:40,570 --> 00:16:42,630 Just stir up all that potential that's out 520 00:16:42,630 --> 00:16:42,930 there. 521 00:16:44,690 --> 00:16:45,910 Because it is the last time. 522 00:16:45,910 --> 00:16:48,910 I was watching the news this morning, and 523 00:16:48,910 --> 00:16:50,570 it was like the newsreader came on and 524 00:16:50,570 --> 00:16:52,810 said, Good morning. 525 00:16:53,010 --> 00:16:53,570 Here is the news. 526 00:16:53,670 --> 00:16:54,990 Nation is rising against nation. 527 00:16:55,410 --> 00:16:56,130 Kingdom against kingdom. 528 00:16:56,370 --> 00:16:57,610 There are earthquakes and floods. 529 00:16:57,970 --> 00:16:58,950 Famines and pestilences. 530 00:16:59,250 --> 00:17:01,250 I mean, it was one after the other. 531 00:17:01,370 --> 00:17:02,430 I might as well just read Scripture. 532 00:17:03,230 --> 00:17:05,170 And so we've just got to see of 533 00:17:05,170 --> 00:17:08,890 all the generations that we have a tremendous 534 00:17:08,890 --> 00:17:12,510 responsibility to be faithful to what God's called 535 00:17:12,510 --> 00:17:12,690 us.